How sideways can you get?

[nudemetalz]

Found this youtube today of a dude on a Aprilia Supermotard.
Wicked bike control, how he didn't crash is beyond me.....

(dunno if this comes under here, or sport, or adventure, or racing as supermoto is all on it's own !!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhAootS4aMA

[necrolyte]

Thats awsome control, i would have dropped it the second it slipped!

[Gremlin]

More action :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYS-Et4gfvY

and how not to do it :crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFK00J2vCk

[jrandom]

I can get it even more sideways than that, and on a gixxer even!

Currently, however, my ratio of number of times sideways to number of smashed thumbs due to highsiding is one to one.

[Olof Eriksson]

Hi guys! I'm the one riding in the video and I got a link to this site from the video page.

I am very interested in going to NZ, it seems like my kind of place and I have searched for forums like this one for a long time (wierd I havent found this one!?)

I posted on another forum that I would come over and teach supermoto in the USA if I got someone to pay my trip. About two months later I went over to teach some! Se below for some comments from people taking my class.

If there is any interest in doing this please contact me and we'll work something out. It might not be just one person paying up for everything (like it was when I went to the states). It can be solved by holding schools and taking just enough money out of them to pay for the trip.

You can contact me by mail at first and I'll send you my number or I'll call you: olle@gummark.nu

Heres a couple of other videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSkAvgcgwBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rthhxn_silk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4t1xW6i2Xs

Heres some comments of the people attending my school:


This was definately a blast, one of the best times I have ever had riding! (20+ years experience on 2 wheels) Dirt section was a bit of a headache at the beginning but once I got to turn one life was great! Thanks again to those involved - ton of fun and can't wait to get back on a closed course.


I was absolutely pleased with the classes. I have been riding bikes for over 10 years all types of sizes.....but only 3 mounths with super-moto and i just got out of my cast from the Aug. 16 race @ e-town, during the 2ed round of practice I fell and broke my wrist in two places and stayed out for a 3ed place finish in the final in one event and 5th in the other. and I was amazed at how much I learned from you Olle & ESMRA. I wish I had the class before that Aug. race. I felt like the techniques were specifically aimed at me.....Olle & ESMRA patiently and thoroughly answered to all my questions. Through-out the classroom sessions....I never felt rushed by anyone when discussing a specific technique or question - in fact, everyone went out of their way to talk to me and offer advice on any subject I wanted to discuss. The professionalism, patience and generosity of Olle & ESMRA staff is second to none.

I have recommended to everyone I know that they should go to your school If you plan on having another one.... hope it's @ E-town on the road course. I plan to come back....as soon as my schedule permits " BABY ON THE WAY ".

absolutely a fantastic time, world class teaching Olle & ESMRA

Thanks again.

Michael Kocsis #199 Team Monmouth Cycles Middletown NJ / ESMRA #10


The class roster was full with 15 students receiving a great SM education. I know by the end of the day, I was turning faster lap times and feeling safer and in more control doing it!

Thank you Olle & ESMRA and organizing crew! :thumbup:

The BBQ spread was GREAT!


Much thanks to all involved. My wife, who is N-O-T impressed by my riding even a little, noted that at the end of the day I appeared to be faster and smoother. So if the wife noticed it, it must have been very obvious.

Again, thanks to all who put in valuable time and effort. It is noted and appreciated. I had a great time riding with everyone and talking with everyone.

Regards,
Barry


Thanks to Olof and all involved for setting this up. Fun (and hot) day - it was good to ride with you guys.

Thanks
Jay


i dont kno about everyone else, but i had a blast at MIR, olle was an awesome teacher, i learned so much, deff worth the 4 hour drive, thanks once again to olle for doing the class, all the people at esmra for making it happen, and to the guy that made the track :clap: (i knew your name, than forgot sorry!) i was one of the guys that helped you pick up the hay bails, but it was an awesome track, and do u have the pictures developed yet??
but seriously guys it was an awesome place, i dont kno when the next practice/race is, but the guy that made the track said that if there is a good turn out, the owners at MIR will build a full track, just for supermoto, so next time there is anything at MIR i'll deff be there, and deff suggest everyone checks it out :thumbup:
take care

[James Deuce]

Hey! No fair! We're supposed to worship you mad skills from afar, not find out you're a real person with a keyboard!

Welcome to KB.

[xr-rider]

what about this guy. bit crazy i think

[enigma51]

what about this guy. bit crazy i think

well if the filename is also the name of the rider its all says it in the name

Uncle 6 feet tall ruben

[Supermoto Junkie]

Hi guys! I'm the one riding in the video and I got a link to this site from the video page.

I am very interested in going to NZ, it seems like my kind of place and I have searched for forums like this one for a long time (wierd I havent found this one!?)



If this ain't a troll and is for real, I'd be keen for a leason or three,

[EJK]

what about this guy. bit crazy i think

Knee down, drifting + one hand? :crazy:

Godlike SuperMotard rider I say! :jerry: lol

[nudemetalz]

Knee down, drifting + one hand? :crazy:

Godlike SuperMotard rider I say! :jerry: lol



Knee down, drifting + one hand? :crazy:

Godlike SuperMotard rider I say! :jerry: lol

Yup, that's Mr God Xaus alright !!!

PROOF ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9pV0TMa2Q

[Olof Eriksson]

Hey! No fair! We're supposed to worship you mad skills from afar, not find out you're a real person with a keyboard!

Welcome to KB.

Thank you :) Nice to see that the forum is alive!


If this ain't a troll and is for real, I'd be keen for a leason or three,

That sounds sweet! I've searched the forum for a supermoto section but havent found one, is there any other supermoto specific site for NZ guys?

Ruben is a great rider, thats for sure :)

Here's a pic from when I visited the states and borrowed a stock aprilia:

[nudemetalz]

What are the Aprilias like?
They do sound awesome that's for sure, just that I've heard the engines aren't that durable.

[Olof Eriksson]

What are the Aprilias like?
They do sound awesome that's for sure, just that I've heard the engines aren't that durable.

Actually, the engines are more durable than the japanese. I know of engines that have been run for 400 hours without doing anything except chaning oil and filter.

The problem is mainly on the 550's and the problem is that the seal between the block halves is bad and it starts to leak water into the oil. On the new engines (08) theres a different sealing material and this should no longer be an issue.

The aprilia is insanely powerfull, my 450 makes about 20hp more than a stock japanese 450 single and I have done none internal work of the engine. The stock chassie is a little bit too much touring but when you've got the chassie working theres nothing like it, or atleast, I havent ridden anything like it.

Initiating a slide on a regular bike isnt that hard but on the modified aprilia it sticks like its on rails. The rear brake is pretty powerfull but you need to put a lot of pressure on it to get the bike to slide like in the vids.

Generally its a heavier bike than the others and it cost a lot more money to get into world class level. If you can live with those two things its probably the best supermoto bike ever. If you are going to race with the bike, buy a VDB replica, its a sharp bike from the start. If you are going to street ride it, buy a 550, its a awesome street bike. (hits 120mph/200km/h on the rev limiter in stock shape)

[nudemetalz]

Very interesting !!!
Thanks for sharing, Olof.
:)

[kiwifruit]

Here's a pic from when I visited the states and borrowed a stock aprilia:

Impressive skills :2thumbsup

[skidMark]

what about this guy. bit crazy i think


ruben xaus...

to us mere mortals we just call him by his orther name

GOD

[Olof Eriksson]

Impressive skills :2thumbsup

Thank you :)

Where can I get in contact with supermoto riders in NZ?

[James Deuce]

This would be a good start

http://www.supermotard.co.nz/

This will give you an idea of the state motorcycle sport in NZ

http://www.bikesportnz.com/articles/?cat=6

[scracha]

I am very interested in going to NZ, it seems like my kind of place and I have searched for forums like this one for a long time (wierd I havent found this one!?)

I posted on another forum that I would come over and teach supermoto in the USA if I got someone to pay my trip. About two months later I went over to teach some! Se below for some comments from people taking my class.


Never mind the youtube vids. Just post some pics of Swedish ladies, tell us you'll bring some with you and I'm sure the airfares will arrive.

[Maha]

Steven Briggs rides like that all the time.....thought it was just how they do it...:woohoo:

[Olof Eriksson]

Never mind the youtube vids. Just post some pics of Swedish ladies, tell us you'll bring some with you and I'm sure the airfares will arrive.

I'll tell you what, I'll bring with me my sister. Heres a pic of her (its from a photo shoot where they did fake advertisement for drugs):
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/d92/d92c16491a3a907fd79e744bb508322a_427_640.jpg

Heres one with her on my old bike:
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/865/8652e68493de36f41151e609171f5219_640_480.jpg

Another one of her:
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/2c1/2c1a609767c5f1a9de59b1db5a25a00c_640_480.jpg

[007XX]

I'll tell you what, I'll bring with me my sister. Heres a pic of her (its from a photo shoot where they did fake advertisement for drugs):
]

She's pretty and she can ride...we like her already! :Punk:

Welcome to this site Olof! :D

[nudemetalz]

The Supermoto GP of France is on Sky Sport 1 tonight @ 8.30.
Great stuff to watch, those guys can ride alright !!!!

[NZsarge]

More action :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYS-Et4gfvY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFK00J2vCk

poetry.:niceone:

[deanohit]

The Supermoto GP of France is on Sky Sport 1 tonight @ 8.30.
Great stuff to watch, those guys can ride alright !!!!

Hey thanks for that mate! :niceone:
Will go and post the details in my SM thread now.

[Supermoto Junkie]

If you are going to race with the bike, buy a VDB replica, its a sharp bike from the start. If you are going to street ride it, buy a 550, its a awesome street bike. (hits 120mph/200km/h on the rev limiter in stock shape)

VDB Replica......:niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone:

[Sully60]

Hi guys! I'm the one riding in the video and I got a link to this site from the video page.

I am very interested in going to NZ, it seems like my kind of place and I have searched for forums like this one for a long time (wierd I havent found this one!?)


Welcolme to KB Olof.

Loving those vids man! It would appear that you have a penchant for exploring the limits of traction:niceone:
I like it!

In the first video that Nudemetals posted when it looks like you "overcook" it a bit you seemed to be running a narrow entry, apart from the racing line inside advantage does that work for a fast lap?

You also mention the that you have to use a lot of back brake input with your slides due to the rear grip. Do you use it to initiate the slide and then use the back torque or do you have to keep the brake applied until it's time to hook up again?

Opps Sorry, I've just realised that I'm asking questions that I should be asking you at one of your schools.


Hmmm might have to sell the SV.

Orange, Blue, Red White and Black, Yellow and Blue which colour?

[Olof Eriksson]

Welcolme to KB Olof.

Loving those vids man! It would appear that you have a penchant for exploring the limits of traction:niceone:
I like it!

In the first video that Nudemetals posted when it looks like you "overcook" it a bit you seemed to be running a narrow entry, apart from the racing line inside advantage does that work for a fast lap?

You also mention the that you have to use a lot of back brake input with your slides due to the rear grip. Do you use it to initiate the slide and then use the back torque or do you have to keep the brake applied until it's time to hook up again?

Opps Sorry, I've just realised that I'm asking questions that I should be asking you at one of your schools.


Hmmm might have to sell the SV.

Orange, Blue, Red White and Black, Yellow and Blue which colour?

Thank you guys :)

About narrow entry, no, it doesnt help laptimes, except in some specific cases. Actually I'm doing it the wrong way in the videos. I haveto change riding style to be able to ride faster. The swedish riding style is very narrow and I think its because all of the top guys have MX/enduro merits. I also think its because we're not riding fast enough, theres no reason to ride in any other way when we're used to ride like this :)

The correct way is to go deeper into the corner and to not use the rear brake at all except if its a very tight corner and you can gain alot from sliding. But in that case I prefer to powerslide it anyways. With the powerslide you scrubb off speed at the least critical point, if its that kind of corner. (heres an example of that: http://www.mortec.se/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=Film%202006%2Fshort_clip_from _spain.wmv)

In the vids I use the rear brake to initiate a slide and to transfer from braking to throttle. I think this is the way you need to do to learn how to slide but when you're fast enough you haveto forget it and rely completely on the clutch and the speed you're carrying.

I generally dont speak about sliding in my classes because theres so much more to learn about yourself and what happends on the bike before you learn how to slide. If theres people insisiting on it anyways, I can show and tell, when I have explained how you do it and why people cant do it people seem to realize that its too soon to learn :)

[Sully60]

Thank you guys :)

About narrow entry, no, it doesnt help laptimes, except in some specific cases. Actually I'm doing it the wrong way in the videos. I haveto change riding style to be able to ride faster. The swedish riding style is very narrow and I think its because all of the top guys have MX/enduro merits. I also think its because we're not riding fast enough, theres no reason to ride in any other way when we're used to ride like this :)

The correct way is to go deeper into the corner and to not use the rear brake at all except if its a very tight corner and you can gain alot from sliding. But in that case I prefer to powerslide it anyways. With the powerslide you scrubb off speed at the least critical point, if its that kind of corner. (heres an example of that: http://www.mortec.se/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=Film%202006%2Fshort_clip_from _spain.wmv)

In the vids I use the rear brake to initiate a slide and to transfer from braking to throttle. I think this is the way you need to do to learn how to slide but when you're fast enough you haveto forget it and rely completely on the clutch and the speed you're carrying.

I generally dont speak about sliding in my classes because theres so much more to learn about yourself and what happends on the bike before you learn how to slide. If theres people insisiting on it anyways, I can show and tell, when I have explained how you do it and why people cant do it people seem to realize that its too soon to learn :)


Thanks for the insight Olof, top stuff!

I watched the Scandinavian flick vid after posting, wicked!
That seems to work really well for that corner complex.
I get the power sliding technique but have only raced 450 or S2 class bikes and they don't have the power to unhook the rear predictably on the corner exits like your Aprillia (on dry,clean tarmac anyway and I ain't Nicky Hayden!)

I also gather from watching the the flick vid you must be a fairly fit bugger, do you train off the bike or do you just ride all the time?

Thanks again:2thumbsup
Craig

[Olof Eriksson]

Thanks for the insight Olof, top stuff!

I watched the Scandinavian flick vid after posting, wicked!
That seems to work really well for that corner complex.
I get the power sliding technique but have only raced 450 or S2 class bikes and they don't have the power to unhook the rear predictably on the corner exits like your Aprillia (on dry,clean tarmac anyway and I ain't Nicky Hayden!)

I also gather from watching the the flick vid you must be a fairly fit bugger, do you train off the bike or do you just ride all the time?

Thanks again:2thumbsup
Craig

Thank you :)

My aprilia is a S2 bike but sure it has a lot more power, however, heres a video from 2006 when I rode a DETUNED crf 450 (watch for the third clip with me, the black honda crf): http://www.mortec.se/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/Film%202006/mortec_bussjo.wmv
The asphalt is clean, its just in the transfer from the two different asphalt surfaces theres a couple of rocks.

I do this to initiate a power slide: Get on the throttle so that it accelerates a little harder than keeping the speed, then, tilt the bike over even more. Since youve got more load on the rear tire it lets go before the front tire, then straighten it up and control it with the throttle and with the lean!

I only practice on the bike, I used to lift weights and run 10 miles but since I started learning motocross in august 2006 I've been too lazy :) It does show on my body tho, not as attractive as I once were ;)

//Olle

[EJK]

Yup, that's Mr God Xaus alright !!!

PROOF ??

Thats him for sure! lol

[deanohit]

My aprilia is a S2 bike but sure it has a lot more power, however, heres a video from 2006 when I rode a DETUNED crf 450 (watch for the third clip with me, the black honda crf): http://www.mortec.se/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/Film%202006/mortec_bussjo.wmv
The asphalt is clean, its just in the transfer from the two different asphalt surfaces theres a couple of rocks.
//Olle

Jeez mate, thats some impressive stuff. Really enjoyed that video. :clap:

[deanohit]

Jeez mate, thats some impressive stuff. Really enjoyed that video. :clap:

Heres some random clips of my computer of some extreme lean angles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMxP79b4g4

[EJK]

Farrrrrrr out! thats nice! lol

[Supermoto Junkie]

Heres some random clips of my computer of some extreme lean angles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMxP79b4g4

Now that would be a whole bucket of fun, now we need to talk the local indoor cart guy to let us loose....great clip

[xr-rider]

Heres some random clips of my computer of some extreme lean angles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMxP79b4g4

that is awesome. i wish i could do that. thanks for the clip

[Olof Eriksson]

Heres some random clips of my computer of some extreme lean angles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMxP79b4g4

Thats a great way to learn how to slide :)

[Olof Eriksson]

Jeez mate, thats some impressive stuff. Really enjoyed that video. :clap:

I've been kind of slow with powersliding with the aprilia, even riding without excessive spin tears thru a new rear tire each practice :(

[Brett]

Welcome to the site Olof, awesome riding mate! I love Supermotards, they are damn awesome...haven't given it a go yet myself, but it is on the to do list. Hopefully you do manage to make it over here some time! If I was around, I would love to learn how to slide like that.

[Olof Eriksson]

Welcome to the site Olof, awesome riding mate! I love Supermotards, they are damn awesome...haven't given it a go yet myself, but it is on the to do list. Hopefully you do manage to make it over here some time! If I was around, I would love to learn how to slide like that.

Thank you! :)

How hard is it to get to try a supermoto in NZ? Do they sell well? You sure should! I've had people try riding my bikes after they have ridden R1's and stuff and they allways comment on what a great push the bikes have :)

[skidMark]

Knee down, drifting + one hand? :crazy:

Godlike SuperMotard rider I say! :jerry: lol
i did that to my mate minus the drifting part lol

knee down at end of a street by his work going round and round knee down ripping him the finger.

:buggerd:

all class

[Ghost_Bullet]

Thats a great way to learn how to slide :)

Awesome little clip, that would be a bit of fun.

[skidMark]

been shatting to olaf alot on msn and hes shown me more pics of him

last winter he got bored....

so put studs in his tyres...this is the result.

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/2.jpg

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/1.jpg

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/3.jpg

yes....

hes god.

[Sully60]

been shatting to olaf alot on msn and hes shown me more pics of him

last winter he got bored....

so put studs in his tyres...this is the result.

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/2.jpg

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/1.jpg

http://users.gummark.nu/olle/jesseis/3.jpg

yes....

hes god.

Thanks for sharing those SM! Good on ya!:niceone:

Olof you're a bloody legend mate! I'd have to have a intraveanous quinnine drip to ride like that or I'd cramp up and stay in that position forever!

Here's some sideways action I've found:

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[RiderInBlack]

:sweatdropYe Gads:gob:"Drifting" on bikes. Total Awesome Dudes.

[bugjuice]

huh, only just found this thread..

I've always admired those who can purposely loose the rear, and keep it pinned. I remember my early days of riding, the instinct was to back off. Didn't learn the real hard way, but dropped a nut or two when the bike bit my ass bout it. I'm better now, in that I keep it pinned and just roll off a touch.

I'd purposely drop a nut to learn how to ride a motard right tho, and lead on to sliding around. In the back of my head, I've been wanting to learn how to powerslide my bike out of corners etc too, but it's a bit too nice to smash up, so I've been really restrictive on myself!

If you did come to NZ, I'd have my name on the list for sure

oh, and might as well chuck in another welcome ;)

[Olof Eriksson]

huh, only just found this thread..

I've always admired those who can purposely loose the rear, and keep it pinned. I remember my early days of riding, the instinct was to back off. Didn't learn the real hard way, but dropped a nut or two when the bike bit my ass bout it. I'm better now, in that I keep it pinned and just roll off a touch.

I'd purposely drop a nut to learn how to ride a motard right tho, and lead on to sliding around. In the back of my head, I've been wanting to learn how to powerslide my bike out of corners etc too, but it's a bit too nice to smash up, so I've been really restrictive on myself!

If you did come to NZ, I'd have my name on the list for sure

oh, and might as well chuck in another welcome ;)

Thank you!

I'll sure visit NZ some time, as a vacation if nothing else :)

Are you doing the entry slide already? Because it is technically harder than doing a powerslide. The powerslide is just control with the throttle, have enough speed and just open the throttle a little more than usually and it will start spinning. The trick is to open it up much but very very smooth and when it starts to drift just keep it open at the same amount. Baby steps and you'll learn in no time without crashing! :)

Powersliding has no gain in the exit of the corner, its in the middle of the corner where you gain from sliding since it either makes it possible to open up more in the exit or allows you to enter with a little more speed, the second one much more scary ;)

PS, heres a couple of shots from the ice season:
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/92f/92fa189cbfec286270ef24243c30afde_640_373.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/c38/c385443136367ba7e9773e73bedcad05_640_251.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/2e5/2e59cc6411dc89986dd9dcbdef7cb09d_640_401.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/129/12939248f0037252db3f8e7ea7b4bbff_640_356.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/034/0342cafec84506bb77a7c9d352feae14_640_355.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/ad7/ad7e7a6184c1d9315abebafcd9e74ba7_491_640.jpg
http://static.apberget.se/images/p/g/831/831ded968dbe8f8ca7f3490b57a03aa1_427_640.jpg
(none of them crasches!)

[Olof Eriksson]

About putting the supermoto to the ground...

I got this pic only for use in this advertisment so thats why I'm not sending the original...

However, can you spot all white plastic bobbins on this pic? ;) I dont think I've hurt anything on the bike during this season and I put it to the ground lots of times :)

[bugjuice]

I gave up backing it into corners a while ago, saw too many people high side, and nearly did myself. I kept 'playing' with wheelspins on exit, but they're tiny by comparison. I just need a bike with a cage that I'm not afraid to drop, then I'd have some fun. Working on that bit.
I've seen youtube clips of people drifting around on their bikes, into and exiting corners. I'd love to get that good. They're all on rat bikes too.
And yes, I know 90% of it is showing off, I don't care, I just want to know that control

Those ice pics are impressive too. The bike looks like it's pretty much completely on the ground! and you were still moving?!?!?

[MVnut]

Old G.C. motto I also try n live by......"Gas it up, get it sideways":banana:

[Olof Eriksson]

I gave up backing it into corners a while ago, saw too many people high side, and nearly did myself. I kept 'playing' with wheelspins on exit, but they're tiny by comparison. I just need a bike with a cage that I'm not afraid to drop, then I'd have some fun. Working on that bit.
I've seen youtube clips of people drifting around on their bikes, into and exiting corners. I'd love to get that good. They're all on rat bikes too.
And yes, I know 90% of it is showing off, I don't care, I just want to know that control

Those ice pics are impressive too. The bike looks like it's pretty much completely on the ground! and you were still moving?!?!?

Its the fear and the natural reactions following it that is the hardest part :(

Yeah those shots are from cornering :)

[Gremlin]

Well, the bike you're using definitely makes a difference...

I certainly wouldn't count myself as capable when it came to stunts, but I had an sxv550 overnight to try (complete with full race pipe), and by the time I returned it 24 hours later, I had pulled plenty of stoppies (and almost gone over the front once :rolleyes:), a few wheelies, and backed it into a couple of corners.

Bloody fun bikes indeed, just get a large tank, if you're coming into it with a sportsbike mentality, and want to ride it into the country... I lost count on the times I filled it up, and it got 80km before the eager R light came on.

Incredibly fun, but the sxv in particular is completely incapable of behaving normally, when I wanted to on the rare occasion.