Who's the tosser running from the cops on TV3? (10 November)

[Supermoto Junkie]

Just saw the ad for TV3 news and they have footage of a bike running from the cops, looks like pretty clear footage so somebody should be able to figue out who it was.

[Fatjim]

Dunno, but the only time I've ever seen someone get away from the porkies on one of those merikan video shows was on a bike.

[deanohit]

Yea, saw the ad, not the sort of coverage we bloody need, the dumb idiot.

[Supermoto Junkie]

Yea, saw the ad, not the sort of coverage we bloody need, the dumb idiot.

agree 100%, speacially now went we are in the middle of the Cheese cutter campaign

[Dave_G]

Was in Kumeu this morning when he came through. He would have been doing close to 160 when he went past the Firestone place where I was, 6 cops in screamin pursuit about 3 minutes later. Dunno who he was but he's a nutter thats for sure!

[deanohit]

Sounds like a Ghost Rider wannabe aye.

[kevfromcoro]

wasnt a Triumph 1200 was it??

[Magua]

Perhaps a stolen bike?

Guess we'll find out at six.

[Dave_G]

Sounded like a Vee Twin but dunno what. Black though.

[deanohit]

Just seen news again, black bike with a half fairing twin head lights. Not sure of make. Maybe an Sv?

[skidMark]

lol shuld be worth a watch lol

[skidMark]

Just seen news again, black bike with a half fairing twin head lights. Not sure of make. Maybe an Sv?

possible a gtriuymph speed triple speaking of which....where is devil? lol

[deanohit]

possible a gtriuymph speed triple speaking of which....where is devil? lol

Na, not a Speed Triple, headlights and fairing looked more like the Daytona.

[Blackbuell]

Twas not me,buells dont go that fast

[Pussy]

Looked like a TL1000S

[Slingshot]

Looked like a TL1000S

I agree, dark green or black TL1000S.

[RantyDave]

Hmmmm, difficult to tell eh? Didn't sound like a v-twin, but it appeared to have pipes on either side.

Either which way, the police have a number plate - shit, if our telly was any less fuzzy I'd have the plate. So, whoever you are, fuckwit biker - you're nicked :Police:

Dave

[Supermoto Junkie]

they said they had a plate number so hopefully that can nail his ass

[deanohit]

I agree, dark green or black TL1000S.

Yea, looked like a black TL1000, be interesting to hear what happens to them.:nono:

[skidMark]

alll good lol
funny isan't it....news crew can be there...with camera rolling..but cops cant?

[tl_tub]

Haha, yeah, tl1000s. All the cops have to do is wait for his big end to blow then pick him up ;)

[klyong82]

TL1000S doing crazy speeds....who is it?

[crashe]

Police apparently got the rider's bike rego........ so someone will be getting a wee knock on their door shortly.

White helmet, black jacket.
Clocked at 200kph.

Police in pursuit, but backed off.

[Krusti]

Everyone knows the end to the run rabbit song eh?

[Sollyboy]

OK who was it on 3 news ? some guy caught on film doing a runner , it was a green TL, good effort too he got away

[JMemonic]

I bet the rider will not place a I got busted post here, hell who ever it is could not have picked a worse thing to do, ie getting filmed and having it plaster all over the news when others are trying to draw positive attention to bikers in general.

[deanohit]

Sollyboy, the guys a bloody idiot! We don't need this sort of coverage at any time, let alone with the Cheesecutter rides on. Maybe if he crashed into them, that would be some positive coverage for us because the goverment couldn't ignore us then.

[Boob Johnson]

Everyone knows the end to the run rabbit song eh?
BANG BANG BANG, goes the farmers gun :Police:

:laugh:



ps: 200Km/h+ and they got the plate? Does Steve Austin work for the NZ police now? :laugh:

[tl_tub]

The least he could have done is popped a few wheelies for us people watching on tv! *disappointed*

[Krusti]

BANG BANG BANG, goes the farmers gun :Police:

:laugh:

Dead rabbit, dead rabbit:bye:

[Supermoto Junkie]

OK who was it on 3 news ? some guy caught on film doing a runner , it was a green TL, good effort too he got away

Godd effort.....the guy is a fuckwit, how much of the general public will be talking about this instead of the Cheese cutters......what a loser

[Macstar]

Yeah looked and sounded like a TL to me. News said they had the plate of the bike, so either stolen or dude riding it had a mental breakdown...

[Chrislost]

:first:200 IS SLOW!!!!!
HE WAS PROBABLY JUST OUT FOR A RIDE AND DIDNT EVEN KNOW THE FUZZ WAS BEHIND HIM.

[skidMark]

Hmmmm, difficult to tell eh? Didn't sound like a v-twin, but it appeared to have pipes on either side.

Either which way, the police have a number plate - shit, if our telly was any less fuzzy I'd have the plate. So, whoever you are, fuckwit biker - you're nicked :Police:

Dave



hi...police please.....

hey therei want to report a stolen motorcycle....

yeah my bike got nicked this morning whilei was at work just come home and it's gone....

duh...

[JMemonic]

hi...police please.....

hey therei want to report a stolen motorcycle....

yeah my bike got nicked this morning while was at work just come home and it's gone....

duh...

:Police: Goes next door and asks can you please describe your neighbours motorcycle and any description of the gear he normally wears, oh and di you see him leave on the bike this morning ? Then goes to workplace to ensure said person was actually at work. Busted

[MVnut]

Hypocrites, if this wasn't on the TV most of you would be saying good on him for gettin away, although I'm not condoning the riders actions, but bike may be stolen or rider may not know he was chased, might be just some dork goin too fast.

[boomer]

it wasn't a TL it was a k7 .. and they didn't get my plate or me.

The coppers get a DNF and i got a :first:



bunch of losers.. they get paid for it and i do it for shits and giggles

[Supermoto Junkie]

Hypocrites, if this wasn't on the TV most of you would be saying good on him for gettin away, although I'm not condoning the riders actions, but bike may be stolen or rider may not know he was chased, might be just some dork goin too fast.

but even you said he was a dork

[deanohit]

Hypocrites, if this wasn't on the TV most of you would be saying good on him for gettin away, although I'm not condoning the riders actions, but bike may be stolen or rider may not know he was chased, might be just some dork goin too fast.

Sorry to burst ya bubble mate, but I've never said 'Good one on getting away from the pigs mate' as I don't think it is a smart thing to do a runner. :angry:

And I don't think you would be able to not notice the cop cars right behind you just cause you're going fast..

[Edbear]

it wasn't a TL it was a k7 .. and they didn't get my plate or me.

The coppers get a DNF and i got a :first:



bunch of losers.. they get paid for it and i do it for shits and giggles



Tui! That wuz a very unusual sounding and looking K7...:bleh:

[boomer]

Tui! That wuz a very unusual sounding and looking K7...:bleh:

Moto GP Race Fit growler mate.. she howls

[Winter]

Here is a link to the video if anyone is interested :

http://tv3.co.nz/NewsVideo/Highspeedmotorcyclechasereachesspeedsofupto200kph/tabid/309/articleID/38887/Default.aspx#video

Its actually quite amusing, (if you look beyond the whole makes-us-look-bad-and undermines-the-cheesecutter-campain thing). Look how many cops there are!

Great shots of the cops coming up over the rise. Cameraman in the right place at the right time.

The rider is a bit of a plonker tho.. I hope it turns out to be a stolen bike.

[MVnut]

I certainly didn't say doing a runner is smart, and yes, he is a dork for doing that sort of speed, it's just everyone seemed to jump to one conclusion and yet in many other threads where cops and cameras aren't involved, many many kiwibikers would be praising his ability to go so fast. I say keep this sort of speed on the track, that's all.:Punk:

[RC1]

Twas not I

[boomer]

Lollies.. the coppers need to move up outta the medium group.. otherwise they'll never get a podium finish....

:laugh:

* edit.. and yeah that wasn't me.. that bloke was in the medium group!

[Sollyboy]

Sollyboy, the guys a bloody idiot! We don't need this sort of coverage at any time, let alone with the Cheesecutter rides on. Maybe if he crashed into them, that would be some positive coverage for us because the goverment couldn't ignore us then.

Really ??? boo fucken hoo tosser.

Id buy the man a beer cause at least he dont just talk shit like some fags

[xgnr]

Wasn't me... honest :cool:

[Boob Johnson]

Here is a link to the video if anyone is interested :

http://tv3.co.nz/NewsVideo/Highspeedmotorcyclechasereachesspeedsofupto200kph/tabid/309/articleID/38887/Default.aspx#video

Its actually quite amusing, (if you look beyond the whole makes-us-look-bad-and undermines-the-cheesecutter-campain thing). Look how many cops there are!

Great shots of the cops coming up over the rise. Cameraman in the right place at the right time.

The rider is a bit of a plonker tho.. I hope it turns out to be a stolen bike.
Dead link mate. Can someone link us properly?

[Krusti]

I reckon it was Tama Iti, judging by the number of Police cars. Riding a Moletov bomb.

[MD]

I knew this would be a hot topic.
He was probably on 90 demerit points. That'll do it ever time..
LTSA must be pleased that they introduced a system that sucessfully converts minor speeding offenders into high speed lunatics risking life and limb to save their licence. Hope they gave each other big bonuses.
And no, I don't condone speeding through urban traffic like he was.
Time and place as they say.

[boomer]

Dead link mate. Can someone link us properly?

You suck at the InterWebb!!!


click news.. see 2nd news clip down.. click video and boba ya auntie...

[Supermoto Junkie]

Really ??? boo fucken hoo tosser.

Id buy the man a beer cause at least he dont just talk shit like some fags

Mate.....aren't you a shining example of an upstanding KBer

[boomer]

Mate.....aren't you a shining example of an upstanding KBer

Calm down.. its not a Club and as we recently found out.. its ok to do this shit and still be a kb'er...

Chill Whinston

[Boob Johnson]

Mate.....aren't you a shining example of an upstanding KBer
24 posts he has, he's in for a wake up call no doubt :bash:


You suck at the InterWebb!!!


click news.. see 2nd news clip down.. click video and boba ya auntie...
Im a techno geek actually, one who has not long finished a 10 hour day & is rather tired & cannot be assed to look :wacko:

[Sollyboy]

I knew this would be a hot topic.
He was probably on 90 demerit points. That'll do it ever time..
LTSA must be pleased that they introduced a system that sucessfully converts minor speeding offenders into high speed lunatics risking life and limb to save their licence. Hope they gave each other big bonuses.
And no, I don't condone speeding through urban traffic like he was.
Time and place as they say.

Its been hard for me to stop for the cops ever since they introduced the 28 day roadside licence suspension bullshit

[Sollyboy]

Mate.....aren't you a shining example of an upstanding KBer

Fuck sake , are most KBers fags or something?

[Boob Johnson]

Its been hard for me to stop for the cops ever since they introduced the 28 day roadside licence suspension bullshit
How to you tame such a wild animal like the mighty ER185? :laugh:

[TLMAN]

24 posts he has, he's in for a wake up call no doubt :bash:

Ill bet he had 2354 post until spank changed things the other day.:bleh:

[deanohit]

Really ??? boo fucken hoo tosser.
Id buy the man a beer cause at least he dont just talk shit like some fags

:killingme Like SJ says, aren't you a shining example of an upstanding KBer! So what shit was I talking as all I have posted here I believe, the guy was a fucken idiot, what if he killed someone (which wouldn't be hard after seeing his riding) just cause he didn't want to lose his licence?

And by the way, I'm not gay. :bleh:

[Sollyboy]

How to you tame such a wild animal like the mighty ER185? :laugh:

Got a few other bikes too and there good bikes, is it that important on this site what we ride? are you compensating for something?

[Supermoto Junkie]

Fuck sake , are most KBers fags or something?

Not sure mate....I'm new here too....but just chaeck...you may have this site mixed up with one of the other forums you visit:spanking:

[deanohit]

Not sure mate....I'm new here too....but just chaeck...you may have this site mixed up with one of the other forums you visit:spanking:

Actually there was a poll on it a while back and no, most KBers aren't fags. :Offtopic:




And Sollyboy, learn to spell, it's Sillyboy isn't it?

[Boob Johnson]

Got a few other bikes too and there good bikes, is it that important on this site what we ride? are you compensating for something?
9 inches (across the eye) is enough isn't it? :shifty:

[boomer]

Im a techno geek actually, one who has not long finished a 10 hour day & is rather tired & cannot be assed to look :wacko:

you might be a techo geek but you suck at the interdweeeb!

does mum still wipe your ass too? far out.. most of us have our own kids to look after mate.

[MD]

I wonder if there was a centre line camera working on the bend. I just saw 4 white commodores cross the double yellow lines. And I think one of them had an expired WOF.

[Slingshot]

:first:200 IS SLOW!!!!!

Not for a TL :Pokey:

[Toaster]

Looks like it must have started over Orewa way.

The ute and 4wd crewman come from Orewa. The two base model (dirty) commodores will most likely be Kumeu and Helensville. The other two are Highway patrol, including the gay Honda (I mean grey).

[onearmedbandit]

One individual using a bike to do a runner isn't going to undermine anything. FFS, what are people going to say? "Yeah we are concerned about you dying due to dangerous barriers, but oooo, that guy who did a runner the other night on a bike has ruined any sympathy we had for you". Whatever. People are not so narrow-minded. It's one guy. Not a nation of motorcyclists doing a group runner to point out the inadequecies of the policing of our roads or whatever.

[Fub@r]

One individual using a bike to do a runner isn't going to undermine anything. FFS, what are people going to say? "Yeah we are concerned about you dying due to dangerous barriers, but oooo, that guy who did a runner the other night on a bike has ruined any sympathy we had for you". Whatever. People are not so narrow-minded. It's one guy. Not a nation of motorcyclists doing a group runner to point out the inadequecies of the policing of our roads or whatever.

I would second that.

People that I talk to when I'm out getting signatures for the petition are aware of the barriers due to the accident the other week but all say that they think those barriers are unsafe to all users of the road

If they bring up this idiot next week, just remind them of how often we see police chases involving cars!

It will make getting signatures a little bit harder, but only a little

[98tls]

Not for a TL :Pokey: :Oi:nothing wrong with the old TL in the right hands.:shifty:;)

[Mom]

OK who was it on 3 news ? some guy caught on film doing a runner , it was a green TL, good effort too he got away

Dont know, but hope he is not a member, cos last time I called someone a cock I got KB demerits for it.......He is a cock!


Godd effort.....the guy is a fuckwit, how much of the general public will be talking about this instead of the Cheese cutters......what a loser

No, dont think it will affect the campaign at all......he is a one off dickhead, they do exist you know.


Hypocrites, if this wasn't on the TV most of you would be saying good on him for gettin away, although I'm not condoning the riders actions, but bike may be stolen or rider may not know he was chased, might be just some dork goin too fast.

Please dont tar me with that brush, I would not be congratulating him, even if the bike was not stolen!


Lollies.. the coppers need to move up outta the medium group.. otherwise they'll never get a podium finish....

:laugh:

* edit.. and yeah that wasn't me.. that bloke was in the medium group!

Boomer! you are stirrer extreme! :spanking: (dont stop tho eh!)

Fuck sake , are most KBers fags or something?


Not me, I smoke fags, does that count?

[Waylander]

Funny how bikers get on tv for good stuff and shortly after heaps of things hit the stations showing how bad bikers are and how dangerous we are to the general public.

Same thing happend when one of the toy runs got some coverage.

[curious_bj_emo]

Baa baa im a joe ninety sheep baaa baaa

baaaa baaa im a joe ninety sheep who wears a fluro vest baaaa baaaa

Not sure mate....I'm new here too....but just chaeck...you may have this site mixed up with one of the other forums you visit:spanking:
yes I was going to point out this isnt joe ninety safety glfuro vests wee condone speeding dot com. obviously you three have written in the wrong link somewhere,

[Edbear]

Not a nation of motorcyclists doing a group runner...


We call them "cruiser rides"....:msn-wink:

[98tls]

While i dont condone what this guys done at all ive heard of a rather large group of Honda riders doing a runner from the Tekapo hotel and not paying for there meals which i consider much worse for the reputation of motorcyclists.:sherlock:

[Motig]

Well you guys/girls are full of shit. One minute wanting sympathy for a bikers death, the next thinking its great some prat makes an arsehole of themselve on nationwide tv. What a bloody joke. Dont you realise it takes years to build a good PR and seconds to stuff it up completely and lose all sympathy. You tossers.

[onearmedbandit]

Well you guys/girls are full of shit. One minute wanting sympathy for a bikers death, the next thinking its great some prat makes an arsehole of themselve on nationwide tv. What a bloody joke. Dont you realise it takes years to build a good PR and seconds to stuff it up completely and lose all sympathy. You tossers.

You are taking the mickey right? Because I don't really see enough posts suggesting that anyone supported this guys actions, in fact quite the opposite. So I'm left with the conclusion that you are just fishing.

[boomer]

While i dont condone what this guys done at all ive heard of a rather large group of Honda riders doing a runner from the Tekapo hotel and not paying for there meals which i consider much worse for the reputation of motorcyclists.:sherlock:

that was hear say and some fookin farmers wifes tale.... the farmers wife being Idleidjiotidol.

And Boob 'You sook at the web' Johnson...Don't go red blinging me because you're too fookin lazy to go look ya self ya fookin moron.

[fliplid]

wasnt a Triumph 1200 was it??

Well, certainly weren't me! Besides, last time I was up that way was in a 9 tonne truck...

[Deano]

It was NC30 stealing parts............yes I'm joking, but seriously, he wouldn't have been doing that shit on the centreline if there had been a wire rope median barrier..........now I'm being flippant.

As you were.

[Motig]

Possibly and point taken, not everybody is condoning the act. But I do get just a bit fed up with the number of people, not nescessarily in this post but many previous on similar topics who seem to think that breaking the law is just a joke and their real heroes..

[Boob Johnson]

that was hear say and some fookin farmers wifes tale.... the farmers wife being Idleidjiotidol.

And Boob 'You sook at the web' Johnson...Don't go red blinging me because you're too fookin lazy to go look ya self ya fookin moron.
Yeah ok Boomer, I suck @ the interwebs because I was too tired/lazy to search a site id not been to before :niceone::rolleyes:


Your profile says your 37, your posting suggests otherwise :bleh:

[boomer]

Possibly and point taken, not everybody is condoning the act. But I do get just a bit fed up with the number of people, not nescessarily in this post but many previous on similar topics who seem to think that breaking the law is just a joke and their real heroes..

says 'jessica' the GSX..??!!

[boomer]

Yeah ok Boomer, I suck @ the interwebs because I was too tired/lazy to search a site id not been to before :niceone::rolleyes:


Your profile says your 37, your posting suggests otherwise :bleh:

'search'... it was right infront of you on the link!!!

and not been there before..?? i'm old enough to read 'news links'.... one day you will be too!!!

[Deano]

Possibly and point taken, not everybody is condoning the act.

Maybe if he had got his knee down on the double yellow's - now that's some street cred.

[Motig]

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!

[Teflon]

Fuck sake , are most KBers fags or something?
I thought i was only one who noticed this..

[puddytat]

I knew this would be a hot topic.
He was probably on 90 demerit points. That'll do it ever time..
LTSA must be pleased that they introduced a system that sucessfully converts minor speeding offenders into high speed lunatics risking life and limb to save their licence. Hope they gave each other big bonuses.
And no, I don't condone speeding through urban traffic like he was.
Time and place as they say.

Youre right on there mate...been in the same situation myself,didnt think twice...but like you say, there's a time & place for everything:sweatdrop

[Motig]

Thanks for the red rep boobieis. Cant you have a decent discussion without hiding on the board. I rest my case.

[Deano]

I thought i was only one who noticed this..

What colour is your TL bro ? And your helmet and approximate weight ?

:whistle:

[Sollyboy]

I thought i was only one who noticed this..

Lucky for you aye , or one of these fags might steal your TL when you leave it idleing outside the lunch bar every morning

[Sollyboy]

What colour is your TL bro ? And your helmet and approximate weight ?

:whistle:

hes got the yellow tlr

[Jantar]

While i dont condone what this guys done at all ive heard of a rather large group of Honda riders doing a runner from the Tekapo hotel and not paying for there meals which i consider much worse for the reputation of motorcyclists.
__________________

That was the Franz Joseph Hotel on 14th Feb this year.

[Boob Johnson]

Thanks for the red rep boobieis. Cant you have a decent discussion without hiding on the board. I rest my case.Hiding? I've posted in this thread more than once, why would I want to hide from you? Your post was nothing short of pathetic.

Decent discussion?? What planet are you from? Your post got what it deserved, deal with it cup cake :Pokey:




Well you guys/girls are full of shit. One minute wanting sympathy for a bikers death, the next thinking its great some prat makes an arsehole of themselve on nationwide tv. What a bloody joke. Dont you realise it takes years to build a good PR and seconds to stuff it up completely and lose all sympathy. You tossers.

Decent discussion aye? Can't wait to see you fired up :girlfight:


:laugh:

[quickbuck]

What colour is your TL bro ? And your helmet and approximate weight ?

:whistle:


I would pick between 100 to 110 kg. I'm picking his helmet is white with two blue stripes too....
Unless he puts his mates photo on the public profile.

BTW the guy who did a runner... He can't ride. His lines were all over the place. Took too many risks to last very long.

An appaling display of motorcycling all round.
I don't condone running from the :Police: either.

JMTCW.

[98tls]

That was the Franz Joseph Hotel on 14th Feb this year. Whoops,im old,forgive my memory.

[Dave-]

I just hope those playing with the media know what they're in for.

[Teflon]

Lucky for you aye , or one of these fags might steal your TL when you leave it idleing outside the lunch bar every morning

They know not to..

[Headbanger]

Fuck sake , are most KBers fags or something?

I think a few are, you might just get lucky.:niceone:

[Maha]

You suck at the InterWebb!!!


click news.. see 2nd news clip down.. click video and boba ya auntie...


Who the hell video'd it?..... a mate of the biker dude?....:cool:...looks like a set up?
That muffti who was last in the line of cop cars almost took out that orange van turning right....

[James Deuce]

Funny how bikers get on tv for good stuff and shortly after heaps of things hit the stations showing how bad bikers are and how dangerous we are to the general public.

Same thing happend when one of the toy runs got some coverage.

I had the same thought. One of my incarnations must be from Texas.

One long boring thread of mountains and molehills chaps and chapesses. Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I waved back to some kids today and made them smile. Damage control needs to be ongoing and gentle, not reactionary and punitive. Remember that if anyone asks for any comments about that incident in Auckland today when you're on the cheesecutter ride tomorrow In Wellington. Maybe even refuse to comment as it isn't pertinent to the issue at hand. No really, I'm sorry, I'm not prepared to discuss a Police Chase without having all the facts to hand, and neither should you be, O trained seeker of the truth. Thank You.

[Mom]

that was hear say and some fookin farmers wifes tale.... the farmers wife being Idleidjiotidol.

And Boob 'You sook at the web' Johnson...Don't go red blinging me because you're too fookin lazy to go look ya self ya fookin moron.


Sweetie.........use the ignore fuction, I find it very sooooooooooothing, for those annoying idleaches and boobpains.....LOL

[Winter]

Who the hell video'd it?..... a mate of the biker dude?....:cool:...looks like a set up?


Nah. Its a decent camera, on a solid tripod (its not moving all over the place).
In the background at points you can hear a police radio. - Sounds like a 3news van was nearby and got his camera out just in the nick of time.

[CBR97]

A zx12 would do it better, :girlfight:
but only if it it was on a closed road, being very safe,:baby:
and what a gay helmet. fucking poofta, it could be a kber,we all wear cool stuff.:spanking:

[rufusdion]

here is the video footage of the high speed pursuit yesterday.
Doing runners is bad, but in a built up area with lots of traffic? - man he is keen.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/NationalVideo/tabid/309/articleID/38887/Default.aspx#video

[Harry33]

Shit how many cop cars does it take to get him. I wonder how many other people ended up waiting for the police to turn up for other things that day.

[Motig]

Thanks for that rufusdion, I missed it on the news. I agree Harry, a hell of a lot of cars for one bike and its not as tho their trying to head him off at the pass as their all way behind. Perhaps they were heading for another job and got sidetracked? Would the 1st one be the dog wagon?

[Maha]

Nah. Its a decent camera, on a solid tripod (its not moving all over the place).
In the background at points you can hear a police radio. - Sounds like a 3news van was nearby and got his camera out just in the nick of time.

Yeah, ya probabaly right, just watched it again with the sound up. The dude on the bike could have stopped and had a Latte' before that other lot following caught up.....i dont they gave it up, i think they lost him....!

[Mr. Peanut]

Looks like a trailer for The Bourne Ultimatum... :corn:

[saltydog]

Well you guys/girls are full of shit. One minute wanting sympathy for a bikers death, the next thinking its great some prat makes an arsehole of themselve on nationwide tv. What a bloody joke. Dont you realise it takes years to build a good PR and seconds to stuff it up completely and lose all sympathy.

Gee that must be the same with the missus and her brownie points theory. Take months to emass but seconds to strike down.

[jrandom]

Failing to stop for the cops is bad, mm kay?

Still, I bet that was the highlight of the day for the officers involved, getting to burn gas and rubber like that while on duty. I wonder if the chasing is as exciting as the running away?

And what a naughty man that fugitive was on his green TLS (if it was, in fact, his). He should be summarily shot, just like the Aramoana chappie. We Don't Need Him Here (tm).

:yes:

[skidMark]

here is the video footage of the high speed pursuit yesterday.
Doing runners is bad, but in a built up area with lots of traffic? - man he is keen.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/NationalVideo/tabid/309/articleID/38887/Default.aspx#video


lmfao the amount of cop cars to chase one bike....hes obviously fucking long gone.... there was no point chasing...by the time the last one came thru he wuldve been a good 2-3k's ahead. possibly 5k's....

he was rdiing slow as shit anyways..... so meh....

not like he was trying hard...either that or he cant ride for shit.

[White trash]

lmfao the amount of cop cars to chase one bike....hes obviously fucking long gone.... there was no point chasing...by the time the last one came thru he wuldve been a good 2-3k's ahead. possibly 5k's....

he was rdiing slow as shit anyways..... so meh....

not like he was trying hard...either that or he cant ride for shit.
I'm curious Mark, just when did you become an expert on other peoples riding ability or pace from a 20 second video clip?

Alot of people tell me recently that you're trying to change peoples perception of you but you're posting the same old "I'm the man, I know everything" crap. Give it a rest mate.

For my two cents worth, can't condone the runner in traffic or any of that shit but from the 20 seconds I saw, looked the guy was well in control of the bike.

[jrandom]

not like he was trying hard...either that or he cant ride for shit.

His body language on the bike looked pretty relaxed to me.

And, like Keith Code says, anyone who's on a bike and managing to ride it without falling off is already doing a lot of things right.

Once you're generally considered to be out of the even-odds dead pool, maybe you'll have some sort of moral authority to start talking about whether people can "ride for shit", but you should probably shut the fuck up until then.

:)

[kneescraper]

Seen the clip, as far as I can tell hes riding around a bend passing cars..cant tell if hes a good or bad rider. But I spose if the God him self, the great "Skid Mark" says its bad riding, it must be. Mind you, he may have been riding that speed to make it around the bend with out dieing...

All hail king Skid Mark, he is the man.

[RC1]

he was rdiing slow as shit anyways..... so meh....
not like he was trying hard...either that or he cant ride for shit.

do you need a tissue for your chin?? cause your talking shit again i bet your bike struggles to do that sort af speed unlike the TL :tugger:

[kneescraper]

RCTL, that is one of the best posts Ive read the whole weekend....green rep for you buddy.

[onearmedbandit]

He should be summarily shot, just like the Aramoana chappie. We Don't Need Him Here (tm).

:yes:

And that came right out of the left field...

[jrandom]

And that came right out of the left field...

Hey, there's a reason my online handle isn't 'jpredictable', although some of my friends do call me 'jchickenstrips'.

[ManDownUnder]

Hey, there's a reason my online handle isn't 'jpredictable', although some of my friends do call me 'jchickenstrips'.

Is that anything like jbeefcurtains?

I'm just amused at how this thread's turned into a KB pissing contest.

"I'm the man - NO I'M THE MAN"
"You're all fags, now we're not, yes you are blah blah blah".

I hope the guy doing thre runner got nicked for it personally. Anyone doing anything threatening to me and mine...

[owner]

Thats a bloody dangerous intersection there, In 5 years of truck'n around there, Ive seen at least 4 fatalitys on that corner. and its soo tempting to rip round on bike cause its so smooth. Be safe, Bikers beware. Cool vid. Old Freddy's been on that Inter(truck) in the backround for 25yrs good to see he got some footy

[jrandom]

Thats a bloody dangerous intersection there...

Yup, I lived a few hundred meters up SH16 from there for a couple of years recently. Crash smash bang every fortnight or so. In fact, that intersection is where I highsided and broke my thumb while turning left onto the main road.

[inlinefour]

Who ever it was doing the riding, they looked like they was riding well, just in a bloody stupid place to be doing it. Cannot say I'm surprised they got the number plate, would not be that hard to get an image of it off the camera I suspect. The twat riding probably has allready got whats coming to him/her and currently resides in a world of shyte, or will do shortly. Thats assuming the bike was not stolen, but the rider looked pretty comfortable on it.

[Nonbeliever]

he is an idiot if he stays on the main road. He had a big lead over them, get off the main road!!

like someone else said, gay helmet too whoever you are.

[Boob Johnson]

I wonder if the chasing is as exciting as the running away?Yeah ive often wondered that myself



he is an idiot if he stays on the main road. He had a big lead over them, get off the main road!!

like someone else said, gay helmet too whoever you are.That's what I can't understand, with such a lead why would he stay on the main road? You can't outrun the radio :msn-wink:

[homer]

wasnt a TVR was it ?

Any ways
maybe itll be regoed as a new vehicle now ......Thats what id be doin .\
In a few months

[kneescraper]

Looked like a TL1000 s, kinda sounded like one too...

[scumdog]

Yeah ive often wondered that myself

Well, it IS fun BUT murder on the jersey front what with all the icing sugar off'n the doughnuts getting knocked off as you corner....

[Boob Johnson]

Yeah ive often wondered that myself

Well, it IS fun BUT murder on the jersey front what with all the icing sugar off'n the doughnuts getting knocked off as you corner....
rofl, nioce one Scummy :laugh:

I would bling ya but ive sent too much green out today


I could.

SkidMark can too. He can outrun anything. He's like the love child of Steve Austin and Wonder Woman or something.
I heard that when your in trouble & need a get away driver they call Skidmark, saw it on a public loo door......"when your in the shitter, call a Skidmark"

True story

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Looks like it must have started over Orewa way.

The ute and 4wd crewman come from Orewa. The two base model (dirty) commodores will most likely be Kumeu and Helensville. The other two are Highway patrol, including the gay Honda (I mean grey).

The gay Honda. Anyone recognise the car? It's the same car that sits along the first long straight on Peak Rd waiting for us innocent sportbike riders. Oh well, the video reminded me of The Blues Brothers (full tank of gas, cop shocks etc etc).

[jafar]

Wonder if he got away with it :corn::corn:

[Chrislost]

didnt *see* anything in the paper about him getting caught.

didnt look either though:blank:

[RT527]

Got a few other bikes too and there good bikes, is it that important on this site what we ride? are you compensating for something?

man are you leaving yourself wide open there., that guy has the potential to fuck up a lot of peoples lives , been there seen the after effects......how would ya like me to visit ya every time it happens with some nasty photos.

hes a dork ....move on get over it.

[RT527]

What the fuck are you on about , get the fuck over it yourself, if you dont want to be a fireman then quit

Never said i dont want to be..been in 15 yrs now and dont intend stopping, i just grow tiresome of stupid antics ending in bad ways......by idiots who think they can ride/drive.

[Toaster]

Shit how many cop cars does it take to get him. I wonder how many other people ended up waiting for the police to turn up for other things that day.

You mean apart from McDonalds?

[Sollyboy]

Never said i dont want to be..been in 15 yrs now and dont intend stopping, i just grow tiresome of stupid antics ending in bad ways......by idiots who think they can ride/drive.

Really , well i get sick of elderly peoples poor driving being excused , even when they cause death and injury , if its good enough for a motorcyclist to be thrown around and roughed up by the cops then its good enough for the elderly .
If that motorcyclist caused no injury and got away then who gives a fuck , i certainly dont , Im more concerned about the time and effort the cops put into it , get the rego let him go thats all they need to do, that many cops chasing makes it only more dangerous

[Toaster]

Latte' before that ohter lot following caught up.....i dont they gave it up, i think they lost him....!

Ah latte's!! If it came with doughtnuts he might get off.

Shame EAGLE was not operating or available at the time. The dickhead rider (who clearly likes riding over the centreline into oncoming traffic on a blind corner) was riding straight into it's lair.

I wonder how some of the people on this website praising his actions would feel if he had head on crashed into a member of their family or a close friend? I've seen innocent people killed and badly injured because of other people doing exactly what this guy did.

I hope he hit a tree and gets a bill for the negative carbon credits.

[Sanx]

Other than raising a few questions about the origins of the video itself, the footage demonstrated something quite clearly; in this case, whilst the rider was certainly riding like a dick (over the centre line on bends at pretty high speeds), the police response was futile and as dangerous.

There was an article in today's Sunday Harold (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10475272) about police chases, mainly in response to the police's decision to lay charges against an officer who was involved in a pursuit (chasing someone doing 70 in a 50, apparently) earlier this year and badly injured a teenager when he lost control, crashing into a pole and bringing it down on the teenager's head. The article mentioned a number of other incidents where the cops involved in chases crashed or caused injury.

I'm not trying to absolve the rider (or anyone else who runs) of blame here. I'm just saying that if someone decides to run, the chances of them later on deciding to stop of their own accord is unlikely. Chases such as these more often than not end up in a crash of some sort. In this case, the rider was so far ahead of his pursuers and capable of passing the traffic so much faster, the cops would have been better just taking the plate down and investigating later, or sending the chopper up to follow from the air. Having five or six chasing cars was utterly pointless and arguably posed more risk to the public than the actions of the biker. And if the biker wasn't being chased, there's a chance he might have slowed down a bit, reducing the risk still futher.

[skidMark]

Ah latte's!! If it came with doughtnuts he might get off.

Shame EAGLE was not operating or available at the time. The dickhead rider (who clearly likes riding over the centreline into oncoming traffic on a blind corner) was riding straight into it's lair.

I wonder how some of the people on this website praising his actions would feel if he had head on crashed into a member of their family or a close friend? I've seen innocent people killed and badly injured because of other people doing exactly what this guy did.

I hope he hit a tree and gets a bill for the negative carbon credits.

what the heck dude...the eagle chopper is based off tamaki drive along the waterfront...i cant remember what it's called, but it's by the ports.

the chase was northwest of auckland

[scumdog]

, the cops would have been better just taking the plate down and investigating later,

Almost 1 in 4 cars pursued is stolen, knowing the plate number in these cases would be futile.

As would those with false/no plates.

But wait, all is not lost, Police are setting up a data-base of 'people-who-know-what-Police-should-have-done' when there has been a shooting,fatal crash whatever.,

And the next time a similar incident happens they will consult this data-base, swing by and pick up this person and ta-da! no more problem with doing the wrong thing, no need for PCA investigation, no more nasty headlines - we ALL win. :rolleyes:

[Sanx]

Ignoring the obvious sarcasm, Mr Scumdog, but assuming you have seen the footage posted, you will have observed the distance at which the cars were pursuing the motorbike. And the road they are on is busy most of the time, and goes onto Auckland's motorway network in about 10km from where the footage was taken. Given that the cars hadn't a bat's chance in hell of catching the bike unless there was a crash, what purpose did the pursuit serve?

[motorbyclist]

:Police: Goes next door and asks can you please describe your neighbours motorcycle and any description of the gear he normally wears, oh and di you see him leave on the bike this morning ? Then goes to workplace to ensure said person was actually at work. Busted

suspect gets mates to vouch for his whereabouts....


it's called reasonable doubt - and if my bike was stolen and the police accused me of doing a runner i'd be pretty pissed if the court agreed with them.

but if the guy is running up some pretty open roads without many turnoffs how hard would a roadblock be?

glad he didn't cause an accident, and now i know to watch out for an unmarked silver non-holden cop car;)

[skidMark]

suspect gets mates to vouch for his whereabouts....


it's called reasonable doubt - and if my bike was stolen and the police accused me of doing a runner i'd be pretty pissed if the court agreed with them.

but if the guy is running up some pretty open roads without many turnoffs how hard would a roadblock be?

glad he didn't cause an accident, and now i know to watch out for an unmarked silver non-holden cop car;)


mazda 6's,

holden rodeo's with canopies,

honda accord v6's....

honda accord euro's

nissan maxima

the new toyota aurion (fancy new curvy pretty ones)

thats the undercovers i know of will edit if i can think of more.

if you know somebody who works in botany, just get them to keep an eye on Nautech electronics....at the end of trugood drive...dunno what other road is that it's on corner of but it's off harris road...if ya keep ya eyes peeled you can see all the new soon to be po po cars....

nice little tip 4 ya all ;)

and also be slow round there....as cops bring in thier cars for repairs sometimes.

EDIT: sneakiest one ive ever seen was a commodore with little lights in back window and radio on dash etc...ur usual undercover....

except numberplate was PICX4U or similar.....with we take you wedding photos! with a phone number round the outside

mutter mutter...bastards.

[motorbyclist]

LOL sneaky! guess we'll just have to keep an eye on the speedo then wont we?

[fredie]

did they catch her:msn-wink::mobile:

[Chrislost]

if you are worried about the collateral damage of your running, just find a g unit hood and run through there..
2 birds with one bike

[The Pastor]

so has he been caught?

where was the eye in the sky?

[Sollyboy]

Almost 1 in 4 cars pursued is stolen, knowing the plate number in these cases would be futile.

As would those with false/no plates.


Thats a poor arguement, who gives a rats arse if a car is stolen,if the police pursue it till it crashes or even worse it crashes into an innocent person then what have they achieved ? the police in that case would have been better doing nothing just like they do with burgs and assaults etc etc.
We have insurance for car theft we dont need cowboy hero cops pursuing at high speed

[scumdog]

We have insurance for car theft we dont need cowboy hero cops pursuing at high speed

Yeah right Sherlock - sure, we ALL have insurance ......

[98tls]

Here we go again,:bash:seems it always comes back to being the cops fault,"the cops did this,"if the cops didnt do that":zzzz:i am off to mow the lawns "cause the bloody cops wont do it for me"

[James Deuce]

Thats a poor arguement, who gives a rats arse if a car is stolen,if the police pursue it till it crashes or even worse it crashes into an innocent person then what have they achieved ? the police in that case would have been better doing nothing just like they do with burgs and assaults etc etc.
We have insurance for car theft we dont need cowboy hero cops pursuing at high speed

We won't have insurance for long if we settle for that attitude because we won't be able to afford it.

I am a cock but at least I'm not chickenshit.

You were insulting my brother and I'll stick up for him if I feel like it. Don't forget to go running to the mods like a little baby next time I dish some of it back.

[Krusti]

Thats a poor arguement, who gives a rats arse if a car is stolen,if the police pursue it till it crashes or even worse it crashes into an innocent person then what have they achieved ? the police in that case would have been better doing nothing just like they do with burgs and assaults etc etc.
We have insurance for car theft we dont need cowboy hero cops pursuing at high speed

The argument of, "we have insurance just let them get away with it" does not wash with me.

I give a rats arse if some dickhead steals my car/ bike.

[Brett]

Hahahahaha the main thing that video highlights is that:

a) Many cops haven't been taught high sped pursuit properly...a few of them were braking in the corner.:2guns:
b) That biker is a mad bastard sitting on the yellows like that
c) If you are even a medium speed rider on a decent bike you can lead and win in a pursuit.

Not saying I agree with running from the strong arm of the law, but this particular case seems to amuse me for some reason.

[motorbyclist]

same here: me and my dad have spent countless hours working on my bike, are we insured for that too? then there's dealing with insurance not paying out enough, and if the cops don't chase vehicles then theft will increase and the premiums will go up.

the cops should chase, people shouldn't run. maybe the cops could do a better job with roadblocks and helicopters, but anything more from me and i suspect many of us is just uninformed speculation

[Toaster]

what the heck dude...the eagle chopper is based off tamaki drive along the waterfront...i cant remember what it's called, but it's by the ports.

the chase was northwest of auckland

UM HELLO!!!! Skidmark.... you do realise that helicopter can cover 100's of kilometres very quickly. It isn't tied to the dock with a rope lad.

I have seen it used very effectively in pursuits, catching thieves, burglars, assisting with major disorder, S.A.R. etc etc etc many a time all over the wider Auckland area. It is also used in Waikato and Northland region at times.

[Sollyboy]

The argument of, "we have insurance just let them get away with it" does not wash with me.

I give a rats arse if some dickhead steals my car/ bike.

I care if my car gets stolen as well , i just dont see the point of getting it back after its mangled from running into a car load of innocent people, car theft is not a cop priority , ive had my car knicked and they didnt want to know about it, they only seem intrested if they can chase some fucker round at high speed and endanger people.

we just need to do the maths and the maths was done for me , a cop chased a car that was stolen till it crashed in New market . it ran a light killed a man and permanently crippled his wife, the wife needs constant care ,the car was worth about $8k to10k. the ladies ongoing care is about $100k a year for another 30 years or so, her husbands life was priceless of course , and think of all the family pain and suffering so for an $8k car which is still written off we pay millions of dollars not to mention the pain and suffering , these figures are approximate and it was a cop who informed me, it was an incident that happened in the early 90s , it sadens me.

[marty]

mechanics bay to top of the nor wester - 9 nautical miles. at a slow 90 kts, , that's a whole 6 minutes. more realistically at 120kts, 4 1/2 minutes.

[motorbyclist]

i might ad that helicopters generally dont cause accidents

[Sollyboy]

mechanics bay to top of the nor wester - 9 nautical miles. at a slow 90 kts, , that's a whole 6 minutes. more realistically at 120kts, 4 1/2 minutes.

have they got 2 of them , cause Im sure I saw one in clevedon then very soon after I saw another or the same on flying towards me near manukau , either that or it fucken fast

[motorbyclist]

mechanics bay to top of the nor wester - 9 nautical miles. at a slow 90 kts, , that's a whole 6 minutes. more realistically at 120kts, 4 1/2 minutes.

120 knots = 222.24 kilometers per hour - good luck outrunning that on windy, busy roads

(go google and search: convert 120 knots to kilometers per hour)

[RiderInBlack]

F*cken brilliant. Just what we need ta help with the Cheesecutter Campaign:argh:

[The Pastor]

has there been an update on said biker getting the pwnt?

[paturoa]

I care if my car gets stolen as well , i just dont see the point of getting it back after its mangled from running into a car load of innocent people, car theft is not a cop priority , ive had my car knicked and they didnt want to know about it, they only seem intrested if they can chase some fucker round at high speed and endanger people.

You may have a good point, but it is based on the worst case of minority scenarios.

However.....

Lets think this through a bit more, what would happen if the "policy" was for cops back off sooner for runners?

Would not that just encourage MORE runners and hence more carnage CAUSED by runners?

Would that result in more theft?

Would that result in more burnt out stolen cars aka increased insurance?

I think the answer to these is yes, so what you are advocating is worse.

[Matt_TG]

Not that we know whether this bike was stolen or not, but I think some miss the point of the chase if it was a stolen vehicle ... not to get your beloved car or bike back, Police don't really care if you have insurance or not. They are out to capture the offender. One less thief out there.

I wanna know what the cameraman was doing there, at that time? And the zoom on the camera was pretty awesome too aye?

[Boob Johnson]

You may have a good point, but it is based on the worst case of minority scenarios.

However.....

Lets think this through a bit more, what would happen if the "policy" was for cops back off sooner for runners?

Would not that just encourage MORE runners and hence more carnage CAUSED by runners?

Would that result in more theft?

Would that result in more burnt out stolen cars aka increased insurance?

I think the answer to these is yes, so what you are advocating is worse.
Finally someone with some sense :clap:

A policy of not chasing would be a very very bad thing.



what the heck dude...the eagle chopper is based off tamaki drive along the waterfront...i cant remember what it's called, but it's by the ports.

the chase was northwest of auckland
lol SM, you know as much about choppers as you do bikes. It's based in Mechanics bay & it would take only a few minutes to get there once under way, you just can't seem to keep your feet out of your mouth kiddo :weird:



Not that we know whether this bike was stolen or not, but I think some miss the point of the chase if it was a stolen vehicle ... not to get your beloved car or bike back, Police don't really care if you have insurance or not. They are out to capture the offender. One less thief out there.

I wanna know what the cameraman was doing there, at that time? And the zoom on the camera was pretty awesome too aye?
Yeah would love to know what the camera was doing set up there. If it was due to knowing the general direction the bike was headed then that's one thing but WTF is the biker on??? Why would you continue on the main road for so long??? Struth, id be turning off the main road as soon as I could, not that I condone running :innocent:

[skidMark]

yeah and if he has got on motorway he couldve pissed on the chopper....

chopped does 230 kph ish right....

any modern litre bike will do 300...

and also the fact the chopper is having to travel a longer distance.......

and it has to get fired up people get in airbourne and get to the snece...if you loose cops fast enough your sorted.

just gotta have the balls.

[deanohit]

I wanna know what the cameraman was doing there, at that time? And the zoom on the camera was pretty awesome too aye?

A few pages back was a link to the video on the TV3 website with out the reporter talking on it. You can hear a police comms radio in the back ground. I'm thinking it's an onto it cameraman who heard about it in the area and set up in a likely place. Maybe more luck than anything as I noticed TV3 had the exclusive.

[RiderInBlack]

The thing is if the Camera Man could get in the right place in time and be set-up to get such good footage only based on listening ta the Cops on their radio band, couldn't the Cops done the same thing? Something is just not right there. A bit set-up in my mind. But who?

[Finn]

and also the fact the chopper is having to travel a longer distance.......

I think you'll find you got that one arse about face. Last time I looked, there weren't many traffic lights, corners and intersections in the air.

[idleidolidyll]

He got away. "Chase called off when speeds exceeded 200kph" was the call. I wonder though if that meant the cops were doing 200kph trying to catch him because of the massive acceleration advantage of a motorbike?

Anyway, given the fascist confiscation of vehicles for what COPS SAY is 'racing' what the fuck else should they expect other than people running from the law?

[Kittyhawk]

Give you lot handbags and slap it out over this one by the sounds of it. :girlfight::mad:

There could be another reason why he was riding like he was. There was an event over a year or two ago where a cesena aircraft was on a mission to hit the sky tower.. turns out the pilots wife was cheating on him and he wanted her attention..

Maybe the rider was in the wrong headspace at the wrong time and was quite possibly attracting the attention for his other half to realise things. Just a bad choice of time and place.

Some bikers out run the cops on occasion, never makes the news etc as its not usually in the city this kinda thing happens. And we have all at least once gone over the speed limit.

But in saying that, it could quite possibly be he was trying to be the next Ghost Rider. Nope there's only one and thats the original.

Lots of possibilities on this one and various sides can be argued till the cows come home, just dont get ya knickers in a knot. We're bikers after all :drool:

[Patrick]

Thanks for that rufusdion, I missed it on the news. I agree Harry, a hell of a lot of cars for one bike and its not as tho their trying to head him off at the pass as their all way behind. Perhaps they were heading for another job and got sidetracked? Would the 1st one be the dog wagon?

What motorbike? It was a specials happy hour at the dunkin donuts...

1st wagon was the Sgt. The canopied ute is the dog van.


man are you leaving yourself wide open there., that guy has the potential to fuck up a lot of peoples lives , been there seen the after effects......how would ya like me to visit ya every time it happens with some nasty photos.

hes a dork ....move on get over it.

There are plenty of photos for many ad campaigns, just the gubbermint think they are too "iccky" for the general public. Real life is iccky....


Thats a poor arguement, who gives a rats arse if a car is stolen,if the police pursue it till it crashes or even worse it crashes into an innocent person then what have they achieved ? the police in that case would have been better doing nothing just like they do with burgs and assaults etc etc.
We have insurance for car theft we dont need cowboy hero cops pursuing at high speed

Fair call. We won't chase stolen cars, we won't rush to catch burglars on, we won't intervene in domestics, assaults, gang shootings, knife fights, armed robberies, whatever. Shall we just stand and watch???? That would be OK????????? If so, will my pay be affected if I just stand there and watch and do nothing??????

Road Spikes for motorbikes are probably closer than you think... Things like this just push it on, closer to implementation....


Here we go again,:bash:seems it always comes back to being the cops fault,"the cops did this,"if the cops didnt do that":zzzz:i am off to mow the lawns "cause the bloody cops wont do it for me"

Gladly the tosser didn't crash. I f he had, I wonder what the thread would have been about????:Pokey:

[motorbyclist]

The thing is if the Camera Man could get in the right place in time and be set-up to get such good footage only based on listening ta the Cops on their radio band, couldn't the Cops done the same thing? Something is just not right there. A bit set-up in my mind. But who?

maybe a ghost rider attempt?
no, no - it's a conspiracy from the LTNZ to undermine the campaign!

or maybe the cops are just useless?


He got away. "Chase called off when speeds exceeded 200kph" was the call. I wonder though if that meant the cops were doing 200kph trying to catch him because of the massive acceleration advantage of a motorbike?

Anyway, given the fascist confiscation of vehicles for what COPS SAY is 'racing' what the fuck else should they expect other than people running from the law?

wait, so if i run and can get over 200kph they'll give up? i bet any bike over 600cc could do that no sweat!

better than losing my bike/licence


aww dammit the vfr can barley do 200:angry:


(for the serious here, before you go calling me an idiot like skid mark, realise i am joking and just making a point)

[Edbear]

...wait, so if i run and can get over 200kph they'll give up? i bet any bike over 600cc could do that no sweat!...



Well, maybe not ANY bike...:(

[deanohit]

What motorbike? It was a specials happy hour at the dunkin donuts...
Bwahahahahaha, brilliant one mate! :laugh:

[Chrislost]

Not that we know whether this bike was stolen or not, but I think some miss the point of the chase if it was a stolen vehicle ... not to get your beloved car or bike back, Police don't really care if you have insurance or not. They are out to capture the offender. One less thief out there.



what so the theif can get a few hours PD and think about getting away next time?
its not the police that are the problem, its the "justice" system thing.

[Toaster]

And what were the cops to do if they were ahead of the bike? Block the road? Use spikes? Both of which would be likely to kill the rider (they are not permitted to use spikes against bikes or trucks for obvious reasons).

The Helicopter is worth its weight in gold in these situations. No escape for the stupid pricks that run.

I would say a few hundred motorists went home that night cursing bikers saying what a tosser that guy was. Certainly did nothing for the good of motorcycling now did it.

[Boob Johnson]

I would say a few hundred motorists went home that night cursing bikers saying what a tosser that guy was. Certainly did nothing for the good of motorcycling now did it.A few hundred? Pretty sure more people watch the 6 oclock news than that :shit:

[jafar]

yeah and if he has got on motorway he couldve pissed on the chopper....

chopped does 230 kph ish right....

any modern litre bike will do 300...

and also the fact the chopper is having to travel a longer distance.......

and it has to get fired up people get in airbourne and get to the snece...if you loose cops fast enough your sorted.

just gotta have the balls.

Tis better to be thought a fool than open your mouth & remove all doubt :spanking:

[RiderInBlack]

aww dammit the vfr can barley do 200:angry:
About time ya up graded to a VFR750 then:2thumbsup

[Max Preload]

if you know somebody who works in botany, just get them to keep an eye on Nautech electronics....at the end of trugood drive...dunno what other road is that it's on corner of but it's off harris road...if ya keep ya eyes peeled you can see all the new soon to be po po cars....

I work opposite them - it's Cryers Road. I keep my eyes peeled but I haven't yet seen anything other than the usual VE Commodores.

[Jinx3d]

50% of poeple in intensive care are there because of traffic accidents. I've seen what happens to the people that dont die.

Fancy a hole in the throat? coughing flem, drooling, unable to talk properly, people shy away - too embarrased to look.

The worse you get, the more drugs and machines they put around you, turning you into living death. You cant even kill yourself. Luckily in New Zealand the intensivists can quietly call it a day and euthanase you, in the states, they put you in a bed farm, 100 beds in a ward, dead/alive people lie there being pumped and drained on insurance money.

No car is worth the risk of doing that to someone. Speeding cops are just legaliased street racers. Fuck em all.

[Toaster]

A few hundred? Pretty sure more people watch the 6 oclock news than that :shit:

Hmmm true - damn good point. I was more just thinking of the people on the road that day who witnessed the chase.

Some of my workmates watched the video and one uttered the words "bloody dumb bikers". Not the kind of label I want to hear.

[Kittyhawk]

Cops have to justify why they are going the speed they do in persuits, or getting to scenes of crimes, accidents etc.

I walked past the cops the other day while they were parked up outisde a dairy, and naturally I looked sheepish at them....I then realised I was on foot and not wearing my biker gear I then strutted past :bleh:

Natural reactions. :rolleyes:

[Toaster]

Cops have to justify why they are going the speed they do in persuits, or getting to scenes of crimes, accidents etc.

I walked past the cops the other day while they were parked up outisde a dairy, and naturally I looked sheepish at them....I then realised I was on foot and not wearing my biker gear I then strutted past :bleh:

Natural reactions. :rolleyes:

And why would you feel guilt? hehehe.....

People feel guilt because they are doing something they should not do, or dont do something they should.

You are a bad girl, go to your room and spank yourself!

[Toaster]

Speeding cops are just legaliased street racers. Fuck em all.

Your post sounded quite wise about injury and suffering until you got to here. Grow up.

[jafar]

Your post sounded quite wise about injury and suffering until you got to here. Grow up.

+1 .........

[JimO]

has this guy been caught??

[Kittyhawk]

And why would you feel guilt? hehehe.....

People feel guilt because they are doing something they should not do, or dont do something they should.

You are a bad girl, go to your room and spank yourself!

Cos Im always doing something wrong! or at least getting blamed lol...

Cant help how I feel....those cops in blue just make me go all goey and dribbley :shutup:

Nah I cant spank myself its a task I really need assistance with...

[RT527]

I care if my car gets stolen as well , i just dont see the point of getting it back after its mangled from running into a car load of innocent people, car theft is not a cop priority , ive had my car knicked and they didnt want to know about it, they only seem intrested if they can chase some fucker round at high speed and endanger people.

we just need to do the maths and the maths was done for me , a cop chased a car that was stolen till it crashed in New market . it ran a light killed a man and permanently crippled his wife, the wife needs constant care ,the car was worth about $8k to10k. the ladies ongoing care is about $100k a year for another 30 years or so, her husbands life was priceless of course , and think of all the family pain and suffering so for an $8k car which is still written off we pay millions of dollars not to mention the pain and suffering , these figures are approximate and it was a cop who informed me, it was an incident that happened in the early 90s , it sadens me.

You dont get it do you....it isnt the flaming cops fault , it `s the drop kick that broke the law in the first place.....I dont like seeing people die from preventable accidents either , but if said Drop kick didnt break the law in the first place then accident wouldnt have had to happen.
I agree with most of what you say but for christs sake we as a community need to start owning up and taking responsibility for our actions!!!!

If I do something wrong as the officer in charge of a fire truck I am accountable for my actions...it may have been a crew member that fucked up ...it doesnt matter its still my responsibility, I`m supposed to be in charge...if a drop kick breaks the law..its oh he had a hard life,its not his fault he`s just mis-understood, the cops shouldnt have chased him , cause now look what they`ve done some innocent party has been hurt.

He chose to break the law, he chose to be a drop kick.

[RT527]

have they got 2 of them , cause Im sure I saw one in clevedon then very soon after I saw another or the same on flying towards me near manukau , either that or it fucken fast

Yup they sure do have a back up , and both choppers are leased, with civvie pilots, it also has a top speed of 209 kmph give or take, but in the air its a constant speed,where as on the ground you are constantly changing speed due to conditions around you.

also the pilots use prediction, they can see a bend is coming up so can fly the direct route rather than follow the road as the vehicle has to do.

by the way a chopper only has around 200 starts from its starter system (i may be wrong about this, its something I`ve heard , could an aviation expert confirm please.)before it needs to be recharged, at around $20,000 per charge , it aint cheap.

[motorbyclist]

yeah aircraft aren't cheap

hundred bucks to start plus well over a hundred an hour for fuel to run the engine plus the pilot and the ground crew and all the organisation and communications needed to co-ordinate the chase

and then insurance on the chopper, and then public liability insurance, suddenly we see why they've only got a couple (which cost 6 or 7 digit numbers to buy and kit up in the first place!)

[0arbreaka]

50% of poeple in intensive care are there because of traffic accidents. I've seen what happens to the people that dont die.
The worse you get, the more drugs and machines they put around you, turning you into living death. You cant even kill yourself. Luckily in New Zealand the intensivists can quietly call it a day and euthanase you, in the states, they put you in a bed farm, 100 beds in a ward, dead/alive people lie there being pumped and drained on insurance money.

Actually I would say its more like 30% at most times, a very large percentage of people in intensive care are there due to things like renal transplants and various diabetic complications and various other things like heart and vascular complications etc etc, I know this as I have worked very closely with the critical care ward of Auckland hospital. The department of critical care at Auckland hospital boasts a 98% survival rate. Each patient has 2 highly qualified nurses attending to them at any one time. About the tracheactomy, that is only for the patients that are in the worst state, i.e unable to breathe at all, and if that is the case they keep you sedated untill youre condition improves.There are far worser places to end up, one in which Ill describe as a stainless steel trolley in a chiller. Ive seen what happens, from when you arrive to when you are dishcharged, I have to say that its not nice, but its a fuck load better than getting a Y incision done by the pathologist.

[ZeroIndex]

50% of poeple in intensive care are there because of traffic accidents. I've seen what happens to the people that dont die.

Fancy a hole in the throat? coughing flem, drooling, unable to talk properly, people shy away - too embarrased to look.

The worse you get, the more drugs and machines they put around you, turning you into living death. You cant even kill yourself. Luckily in New Zealand the intensivists can quietly call it a day and euthanase you, in the states, they put you in a bed farm, 100 beds in a ward, dead/alive people lie there being pumped and drained on insurance money.

No car is worth the risk of doing that to someone. Speeding cops are just legaliased street racers. Fuck em all.

Your post sounded quite wise about injury and suffering until you got to here. Grow up.


+1 .........

+1 again...

I subjected myself to a police chase a couple months ago, and my views now: If you decide to run, you agree that fate is allowed to deal you whatever it feels like...

[spudchucka]

http://www.policeassn.org.nz/

Click on the police news link, go to volume 40, number 9, October 2007, page 206 and educate yourselves.

[Renegade]

+1 again...

I subjected myself to a police chase a couple months ago, and my views now: If you decide to run, you agree that fate is allowed to deal you whatever it feels like...

good on you man for standing up for your fuck up and admitting it!!

[Renegade]

You dont get it do you....it isnt the flaming cops fault , it `s the drop kick that broke the law in the first place.....I dont like seeing people die from preventable accidents either , but if said Drop kick didnt break the law in the first place then accident wouldnt have had to happen.
I agree with most of what you say but for christs sake we as a community need to start owning up and taking responsibility for our actions!!!!

If I do something wrong as the officer in charge of a fire truck I am accountable for my actions...it may have been a crew member that fucked up ...it doesnt matter its still my responsibility, I`m supposed to be in charge...if a drop kick breaks the law..its oh he had a hard life,its not his fault he`s just mis-understood, the cops shouldnt have chased him , cause now look what they`ve done some innocent party has been hurt.

He chose to break the law, he chose to be a drop kick.

couldnt have been said any better :rockon:

[motorbyclist]

http://www.policeassn.org.nz/

Click on the police news link, go to volume 40, number 9, October 2007, page 206 and educate yourselves.

very good article....

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?

[steveb64]

very good article....

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?


You think that's bad? Check this out...

Appeals Court Authorizes Lethal Force in Low Speed Chases
US Appeals Court rules that police may use lethal force against a motorist who scares other motorists to death in a low-speed chase.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1925.asp

Fair enough they take out a high-speed pursuit - but...?

[kevfromcoro]

Does anybody know who he was?

[SimJen]

You think that's bad? Check this out...

Appeals Court Authorizes Lethal Force in Low Speed Chases
US Appeals Court rules that police may use lethal force against a motorist who scares other motorists to death in a low-speed chase.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1925.asp

Fair enough they take out a high-speed pursuit - but...?

How many people you know who've been scared to "DEATH".
I suppose this will be at the cops "Discretion"!

[light]

Anyone have a link to the news info on this? was there any updates on it?

[scumdog]

very good article....

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?


And people in this country think the NZ cops are heavy-handed, people here have no idea, none at all.





Except peasea & idle X 3 of course...:girlfight:

[steveb64]

How many people you know who've been scared to "DEATH".
I suppose this will be at the cops "Discretion"!

Yep. Makes me wonder if they can now go and waste roller-coaster operators - for "Scaring those people to death!" Hmmm - and producers, directors, actors, etc. involved in making 'Horror' movies... Only in America?

[Moxy]

From the video, he wasn't going that much faster than the other cars, and it looked like he was taking care when passing. Looked pretty tame compared to what I see every time I go on long distance rides.

All this high-horse talk and speculation, does anybody know exactly why he was running? too many demerits? Didn't want to stop then things just got out of hand?

"He's a tosser" doesn't really cut it for balanced detail.

[spudchucka]

it looked like he was taking care when passing.

Overtaking on double yellows as I recall, that's really careful.

[tl_tub]

Overtaking on double yellows as I recall, that's really careful.

Just because its illegal doesnt mean its wrong! There are plenty of places you can go between two cars while riding the yellow lines with still heaps of room to spare :P

[spudchucka]

Just because its illegal doesnt mean its wrong! There are plenty of places you can go between two cars while riding the yellow lines with still heaps of room to spare :P

I suppose you can justify anything if you are stupid enough.

[Swoop]

coughing flem, drooling, unable to talk properly, people shy away - too embarrased to look.
Your average drunk?

by the way a chopper only has around 200 starts from its starter system (i may be wrong about this, its something I`ve heard , could an aviation expert confirm please.)before it needs to be recharged, at around $20,000 per charge , it aint cheap.
"Recharged" can just mean serviced. Push the starter tit can be $170 a time, probably more now since I was told that by the Westpac pilot 10yrs ago.

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?
It's been around for a while. A Tornado (fully armed) features in one version...

[Moxy]

All this high-horse talk

...


I suppose you can justify anything if you are stupid enough.

Nice one. Looks like you won at the internet nerd war with your witty rhetoric. *clap* *clap*

[spudchucka]

Well if you're gonna say something that stupid what more do you expect?

[FilthyLuka]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

But anyway, i read through this thread and came to only one conclusion...















We need to give the fuzz hayabusa's

[jafar]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

But anyway, i read through this thread and came to only one conclusion...

We need to give the fuzz hayabusa's

There is a pic floating around somewhere of a CBR 1000 RR Cop bike. That would do the trick :niceone:

[Patrick]

50% of poeple in intensive care... blah blah...

Luckily in New Zealand the intensivists can quietly call it a day and euthanase you,

Really????? Since when????


You dont get it do you....it isnt the flaming cops fault , it `s the drop kick that broke the law in the first place.....I dont like seeing people die from preventable accidents either , but if said Drop kick didnt break the law in the first place then accident wouldnt have had to happen.
I agree with most of what you say but for christs sake we as a community need to start owning up and taking responsibility for our actions!!!!

If I do something wrong as the officer in charge of a fire truck I am accountable for my actions...it may have been a crew member that fucked up ...it doesnt matter its still my responsibility, I`m supposed to be in charge...if a drop kick breaks the law..its oh he had a hard life,its not his fault he`s just mis-understood, the cops shouldnt have chased him , cause now look what they`ve done some innocent party has been hurt.

He chose to break the law, he chose to be a drop kick.

.... Gotta spread the bling... well earned though!!!

[motorbyclist]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...


you may win, but you're still retarded:bleh:

[motorbyclist]

very good article....

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?


You think that's bad? Check this out...

Appeals Court Authorizes Lethal Force in Low Speed Chases
US Appeals Court rules that police may use lethal force against a motorist who scares other motorists to death in a low-speed chase.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1925.asp

Fair enough they take out a high-speed pursuit - but...?

i was actually referring to the bit about UK police complaining a harrier jet doing low altitude manuveurs stuffed one of their radars doing 300mph.

police went to the raf to complain about the stuffed radar, but turned out they were lucky. radar gun was detected by the harrier's computer as enemy radar and an automatic counter measure - ie a air to surface missle, would have been fired was the aircraft armed:eek5:

[ManDownUnder]

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ...


we just need to do the maths and the maths was done for me , a cop chased a car that was stolen till it crashed in New market . it ran a light killed a man and permanently crippled his wife, the wife needs constant care ,the car was worth about $8k to10k. the ladies ongoing care is about $100k a year for another 30 years or so, her husbands life was priceless of course , and think of all the family pain and suffering so for an $8k car which is still written off we pay millions of dollars not to mention the pain and suffering , these figures are approximate and it was a cop who informed me, it was an incident that happened in the early 90s , it sadens me.

So to clarify - the cops should act based on what might happen?

Shit - on that basis I'm going to stay in bed, sell the bike, avoid other people, live in a bubble and give up on life.

Dude... you breaka the law you face-a da music. Accountability, and responsibility. Be a man - stand and be counted.

[Kickaha]

Dude... you breaka the law you face-a da music. Accountability, and responsibility. Be a man - stand and be counted.

Accountability and responsibility have gone out of fashion, it's always someone else fault

[more_fasterer]

Accountability and responsibility have gone out of fashion, it's always someone else fault

Weren't they related to Common Sense, who died back in '93?

[ManDownUnder]

Accountability and responsibility have gone out of fashion, it's always someone else fault

you're not fucken wrong... and right now I'm pissed (drunk... not angry) sot he truth shall be forthcoming... the ROmans had it worked out In Vino Veritas!

Anyway. I'm heartily sick of whinging little shits looking for someone to sue because they got a grazed knee falloing off a bike, or the cops being blamed for a ticket or a burglar needing to be understood so the TV they nicked can be put in context in order for the punishment to best fit the situation "taken in totaliity".

Fuck off (not you Kick)

You do the crime you do the time. Pure and simple. The punishment needs to show what SOCIETY thinks of what you did. The pollies, the judges/judiciary all get carried away with helkping the person that did the crime.

I have no problem with helping that p[erson - but that comes 2nd. Society needs to send them a message first. What they did was not good enough. What they did was unacceptable and that the only reason they're not getting their teeth kicked in is because we are a civlised society - unlike the fucken wart that committed whatever crime they're trying to pin on someone or something else.

(God I hope that makes sense...)
NK

[steveb64]

i was actually referring to the bit about UK police complaining a harrier jet doing low altitude manuveurs stuffed one of their radars doing 300mph.

police went to the raf to complain about the stuffed radar, but turned out they were lucky. radar gun was detected by the harrier's computer as enemy radar and an automatic counter measure - ie a air to surface missle, would have been fired was the aircraft armed:eek5:

Oooohhh! :doh: I'd ignored that bit, 'cos I'd seen it somewhere else... See what happens when you're not specific? :bleh: Yep - I'd seen it elsewhere - as a Tornado - not Harrier... did a search on 'Tornado Uk police radar', and it looks like an urban myth. Seems like the story's been around for 12 years or more... ...but it IS funny though!:D

One of the links... http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=57132

And here's a link to some not bad action shots of various UK fighter/training aircraft during low-level exercises. Apparently taken from the ground (My guess is from a high point, looking down...)! :eek: Link: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=296115 - just for summat to look at that's quite cool, even if it is non-motorcyle related... :rolleyes: ...and :Offtopic:

[Katman]

and right now I'm pissed (drunk... not angry)



At 11.10 ???? Man, this 'working' lark sucks.:msn-wink:

[steveb64]

you're not fucken wrong... and right now I'm pissed (drunk... not angry) sot he truth shall be forthcoming... the ROmans had it worked out In Vino Veritas!

Anyway. I'm heartily sick of whinging little shits looking for someone to sue because they got a grazed knee falloing off a bike, or the cops being blamed for a ticket or a burglar needing to be understood so the TV they nicked can be put in context in order for the punishment to best fit the situation "taken in totaliity".

Fuck off (not you Kick)

You do the crime you do the time. Pure and simple. The punishment needs to show what SOCIETY thinks of what you did. The pollies, the judges/judiciary all get carried away with helkping the person that did the crime.

I have no problem with helping that p[erson - but that comes 2nd. Society needs to send them a message first. What they did was not good enough. What they did was unacceptable and that the only reason they're not getting their teeth kicked in is because we are a civlised society - unlike the fucken wart that committed whatever crime they're trying to pin on someone or something else.

(God I hope that makes sense...)
NK

More or less... About the only thing you left out is that the penalties for repeat offences (particularly theft and violence) should get progressively more severe, given that 80% of the crimes are committed by 20% of the offenders! They may even get the message after a while... :spanking: :whistle:

[motorbyclist]

i would suggest the "3 strikes" approach of many states in the US, but then those on their 3rd stike have no reason not to run and will do everything and anything they can to avoid being caught - yes, they rather try to run/shoot their way out of their 3rd strike, rather than just not doing it in the first place

[steveb64]

i would suggest the "3 strikes" approach of many states in the US, but then those on their 3rd stike have no reason not to run and will do everything and anything they can to avoid being caught - yes, they rather try to run/shoot their way out of their 3rd strike, rather than just not doing it in the first place

Don't they run or shoot already? :ar15: :2guns:

Maybe not the draconian 20 years or so that the states give for 3rd strike - but (where prison time has not already been served) say 1-5 years for 3rd offence, depending on the severity of the crime, then a mandatory doubling of the previous sentence each time they re-offend (with parole time added on AFTER sentence served)... If prison time has already been served, then previous sentence gets doubled...

[westie]

Wow I'm not sure which is more frustrating.

Reading through 15 pages of unrelated gob shite

or

Still not finding out who it was and whether they got caught drawn and quartered.:2guns:

Or as patrick says "what bike", those dunkin dohnut stands are hard to track down sometimes.:clap:

[Motardman]

Wow I'm not sure which is more frustrating.

Reading through 15 pages of unrelated gob shite

or

Still not finding out who it was and whether they got caught drawn and quartered.:2guns:

Or as patrick says "what bike", those dunkin dohnut stands are hard to track down sometimes.:clap:

ROFL, you're not kidding, i've never seen so many whingers....and I'm a pom:wacko:

[Patrick]

we just need to do the maths and the maths was done for me , a cop chased a car that was stolen till it crashed in New market . it ran a light killed a man and permanently crippled his wife, the wife needs constant care ,the car was worth about $8k to10k. the ladies ongoing care is about $100k a year for another 30 years or so, her husbands life was priceless of course , and think of all the family pain and suffering so for an $8k car which is still written off we pay millions of dollars not to mention the pain and suffering , these figures are approximate and it was a cop who informed me, it was an incident that happened in the early 90s , it sadens me.

Hows this for math...

"cop chased a stolen car til the dumb arsed thief crashed it in new Market....blah blah..." (everything else above applies......)

Then the dumb arse who ran gets the whole bill.... sorted!!!!! (At $5 per week from the dole for the next 17 trillion years....)

[Katman]

Hows this for math...


Then the dumb arse who ran gets the whole bill.... sorted!!!!! (At $5 per week from the dole for the next 17 trillion years....)

Somehow I don't think the wife of the guy killed would see it quite as "sorted".

[Patrick]

Somehow I don't think the wife of the guy killed would see it quite as "sorted".

True... but I was only talking of the math....

But if ya run, suffer the consequences, including footing the total bill....

[jafar]

True... but I was only talking of the math....

But if ya run, suffer the consequences, including footing the total bill....

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Like thats going to happen, Auntie Helens paradise where you can do anything you want & there are no consequences. :wari::corn:

[Katman]

True... but I was only talking of the math....



Yeah, fair enough. After all, maths is far more important than human life.

[Patrick]

Yeah, fair enough. After all, maths is far more important than human life.

Yeah.... Ok then....

[Sollyboy]

Yeah.... Ok then....

And thats the best answer you can come up with.
The person doing the runner is defineatly at fault , but when th police chase that person and dont back off when it gets out of control then that cop must take a portion of the blame, because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved , if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

[judecatmad]

simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved

Not necessarily - idiot behind wheel of said speeding vehicle sees the police back off, thinks 'woo hoo, I got away with it, I can drive like a cock all the time and nobody can do anything'.

Continues to drive like a cock, without consequences (cos once he's gone, the police can't track him down, say), kills someone else as a result.......and the police get hung, drawn and quartered over the fact that they did nothing to stop said cock before he went and killed someone.

It's not saving a life, it's simply delaying the inevitable.

If you run, you SHOULD be chased and stopped right there and then. If you rely on the 'catch them later' philosophy, you run the risk that a lawyer will argue that it wasn't this person driving the vehicle, or some other bullshit technicality will get them off scot free - free to drive like a cock all over again. It's unfortunate if someone gets hurt in the process of a chase, but the fault lies with the person who chose to run, not the police.

NZ doesn't seem to make enough use of roll out road spike mats tho (I forget what they're called) - they would surely help bring some of these high speed chases to an early and safe end.

[motorbyclist]

NZ doesn't seem to make enough use of roll out road spike mats tho (I forget what they're called) - they would surely help bring some of these high speed chases to an early and safe end.

while i do agree, spiking tyres has caused nasty accidents in the past.

dipshit doing the runner really should have stopped before it got to that stage though, and by running he clearly didn't give a shit about his or anyone else's safety

[Patrick]

And thats the best answer you can come up with.
The person doing the runner is defineatly at fault , but when th police chase that person and dont back off when it gets out of control then that cop must take a portion of the blame, because simply put if the cop backs off a life can be saved , if you cant see that then your a bit fucken simple

My best answer?????????? Was there a question??????????????:tugger:

Sure, I can see that, which is why pursuits get called off so often these days. If you can't spell, then I guess you're the one that is a bit fucken simple????


Not necessarily - idiot behind wheel of said speeding vehicle sees the police back off, thinks 'woo hoo, I got away with it, I can drive like a cock all the time and nobody can do anything'.

Continues to drive like a cock, without consequences (cos once he's gone, the police can't track him down, say), kills someone else as a result.......and the police get hung, drawn and quartered over the fact that they did nothing to stop said cock before he went and killed someone.

It's not saving a life, it's simply delaying the inevitable.

If you run, you SHOULD be chased and stopped right there and then. If you rely on the 'catch them later' philosophy, you run the risk that a lawyer will argue that it wasn't this person driving the vehicle, or some other bullshit technicality will get them off scot free - free to drive like a cock all over again. It's unfortunate if someone gets hurt in the process of a chase, but the fault lies with the person who chose to run, not the police.

NZ doesn't seem to make enough use of roll out road spike mats tho (I forget what they're called) - they would surely help bring some of these high speed chases to an early and safe end.

Good call, but at the moment, spikes can not be used for anything over 100kmph, motorbikes or trucks.

When it is getting "untidy" the pursuit is called off. Sometimes, just sometimes, it gets untidy just that one time...

This type of thing has been argued many a time. For retards like Solly, Its the cops fault, never the fleeing driver.... Go figure.

[davereid]

Well, this is a tricky one... I've already posted in the past saying how pissed off I would be if someone fleeing from the cops hurt someone I care about.

On the other hand, as a poker player, I have to say that if you are doing over 150, then you get no judge, no jury, just roadside loss of licence and bike, etc etc etc.

But if you just crank it up a bit, make the 150 into 220 then its got to be better than 10:1 that you "get out of jail free". Cos chances are that you wont crash at 220. Lots of us do it all the time at track day. Chances are the cop will radio in that you are doing 140, and quietly get lost in your dust.

So to get done you have two choices.

1. Stop and face the music. Best choice, but 100% chance of losing licence, bike impoundment and a long walk home.

2. Gas it up.
You might crash. But if you dont let the adreniline pump, you just ride hard, you won't.

Even if you have your number plate read, you get to keep your bike (assuming you don't take it to your rego address.)

And you get to deny it all to a judge.

Maybe people run because the penalities are now out of touch with the crime.

[The Pastor]

very good article....

holy crap though, did anyone read the bit at the bottom of page 209!?
lol, see cops and radars DO NOT MIX!!!

[davereid]

All law enforcement boils down to a type of cost - benefit equation. So more serious offences cost the loser more. But they cost the police more to prove, as there is more at stake.

So it comes as no surprise to me, that if the penality is distorted massively - to the point where suspension of the normal rules of innocence till proven guilty etc has occured that some will choose their own ability as a rider as the true judge.

I even confess to doing the maths myself. If just a few klicks fast I will stop. But if going seriously fast, the traffic is a bit heavy, its dark, I've got a good fuel level, and the road is dry... stopping to get a walk home free card would not be my first choice.

[RT527]

All law enforcement boils down to a type of cost - benefit equation. So more serious offences cost the loser more. But they cost the police more to prove, as there is more at stake.

So it comes as no surprise to me, that if the penality is distorted massively - to the point where suspension of the normal rules of innocence till proven guilty etc has occured that some will choose their own ability as a rider as the true judge.

I even confess to doing the maths myself. If just a few klicks fast I will stop. But if going seriously fast, the traffic is a bit heavy, its dark, I've got a good fuel level, and the road is dry... stopping to get a walk home free card would not be my first choice.


Hmmm i could call you an idiot...but well that wont get me far, so ill just tell a little story...On my way home from work last night , around 8 45 pm, heading down a rural road doing the speed limit in my cage....start to round a visible bend in rd and fuck me if there wasnt 2 calfs staring me in the face, so I smacks the anchors on and pull up well short of them....try doing that at 200 clicks on a bike!!!. 15 mins later me and another couple of people had them in a paddock dont know whos but they theres now.

Went straight to the local cops house who was off duty , told him and he put a call in for a patrol to go look at gate and fence as owner wasnt home.

It doesnt matter that this was a rural area, it could be south auckland with 2 5 year olds playing on the road cause their parents are arguing so they go outside for peace and quiet, when along comes someone going like fuck to get away from the fuzz...point is potentially killing or injurying someone doesnt justify your male hormones ability to pursuade you that you are the best rider in the world.
so think carefully please before you give advice to people to do a runner cause you have a full tank, or roads dry etc etc.

It isnt worth it full stop.
Pity we cant have laws like in the USA where its a felony to run from the cops and you get done big time .

[scumdog]

while i do agree, spiking tyres has caused nasty accidents in the past.

But if it only the guy doing the runner and his dip-shit mates who gives a fucK??

[Patrick]

Yeah.... Ok then....

Somehow this generated red...

I quote from Sollyfagboy...

"Get a real job cunt..."

Mummy has ya dinner waiting...

[scumdog]

Get fucked cunt. (I'm on limited time already so why not abuse a fuckhead).:msn-wink:

Aren't you meant to be on the 'Masturbation' thread??????

[motorbyclist]

So to get done you have two choices.

1. Stop and face the music. Best choice, but 100% chance of losing licence, bike impoundment and a long walk home.

2. Gas it up.
You might crash. But if you dont let the adreniline pump, you just ride hard, you won't.


deathwish right there. fucking dumbest thing i've heard all month, actually.


It doesnt matter that this was a rural area, it could be south auckland with 2 5 year olds playing on the road cause their parents are arguing so they go outside for peace and quiet, when along comes someone going like fuck to get away from the fuzz...point is potentially killing or injurying someone doesnt justify your male hormones ability to pursuade you that you are the best rider in the world.
so think carefully please before you give advice to people to do a runner cause you have a full tank, or roads dry etc etc.

exactly: if you're so good you won't crash nomatter what, the limit would be at 220 to begin with.

fact is, at over 150, especially in suburbs, you are travelling too fast to react to things crossing the road infront of you. and especially in suburbs, over 100kph, cars will pull out infront of you without realising your excessive speed - they find it difficult to judge bike speed, and you doing upwards of twice the expected speed doesn't help.
then there's the idiots who just plain arent looking nor indicating on their journey across lanes and roundabouts

there's the risk of hitting oil/gravel on a corner

and then tyre puncture or other mechanical failure

PLENTY to go wrong, and you'll be responsible for the lives and property you ruin, insurance ain't covering it, and then you get done for manslaughter or worse.

you may think you're better than rossi, but that doesn't matter. you're on public roads where cars/gravel/pedestrians are all over the show, so treating the road as a race track will only get you killed


how bout you keep your speed under 140? i mean, there's really no reason to go much faster unless you're on a track.

PROTIP: it's a little thing called self-control, followed up by responsibility for ones actions and their consequences


But if it only the guy doing the runner and his dip-shit mates who gives a fucK??

no-one really, but the media goes nuts as the police directly caused the accident - and if the dipshit hits something or someone i think we would care

[Boob Johnson]

Get fucked cunt. (I'm on limited time already so why not abuse a fuckhead).:msn-wink:
Limited time? Your coin is running out for interest usage? Or you have a terminal disease?

[spudchucka]

Pity we cant have laws like in the USA where its a felony to run from the cops and you get done big time .

Agree totally. Fleeing from the cops stinks of arrogance and a total lack of concern for anyone else but yourself. Personally I think the offence should have a mandatory jail term.

[davereid]

As always, I was playing a bit of "Devils Advocate" in my comments.

The reality is that the lives of innocent people are always put at risk when people flee the police, and there are no circumstances when that is justifiable.

I was hoping that my comments would provoke a bit of thought as to the motive of those who flee, unfortunately it justed produced a bit of "bash Dave".

To recap.. this time without appearing to be suggesting we all just ignore the disco lights..

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !

[Max Preload]

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !

I agree wholeheartedly. The draconian penalties for trivial and arbitrary matters is what induces people to run - it's fight or flight instinct. These fairly trivial matters can earn you an instant roadside loss of vehicle and license suspension for 28 days while at the same time actually crashing into another vehicle because you failed to give way at a stop sign earns virtually no discernable punishment whatsoever, often because you can't get a cop to attend (probably too busy having a car impounded for "unneccessary display of acceleration" where no damage was done).

The priorities are all completely fucked up - we can thank the knee jerk reaction government for the situation.

[RT527]

As always, I was playing a bit of "Devils Advocate" in my comments.

The reality is that the lives of innocent people are always put at risk when people flee the police, and there are no circumstances when that is justifiable.

I was hoping that my comments would provoke a bit of thought as to the motive of those who flee, unfortunately it justed produced a bit of "bash Dave".

To recap.. this time without appearing to be suggesting we all just ignore the disco lights..

IMHO roadside loss of licence and impoundment of vehicles is a massive penalty applied without an assumption of innocence.

In almost all cases the outcome will be the same for the motorist. But the principle that we get a trial before we are penalised is actually at the very heart of our justice system. I don't think it's something we should have given away for something so un-important as "an un-necessary display of acceleration" or a traffic offence that can be sorted by the due application of process.

Note that impaired driving is importantly different here. Issuing a ticket to an impaired driver and then letting him back behind the wheel is not an option !


No probs man , its a discussion.I didnt really call you and idiot...Doh there i go again ....Dang it.