Wanganui street races

[Expert]

I just heard a rumour that wnganui motocycle club are flying in, that includes bikes and riders, six australian super-moto riders to compete at the boxing day races against the locals.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with a bit of competition and it should be a laff watching them get their collective asses kicked by the nz lads but doesn't charity start at home? Nobody is offering to help out local talent, riders who are travelling up from the south island say.
What's going on here? Is this true or is someone just blowing smoke up my arse?

[Sketchy_Racer]

I have no idea about that but I agree with helping our own out first.

But otherwise it's good that they are bringing some competition over. It should be good

[White trash]

Might as well seeing as they're turning the street races there into the NZ SuperMoto Nationals.

Combine F1 and F2 and give the motards 2 classes. Pffft........

[tri boy]

I think the guys organising now have a strong motocross back ground. Could have something to do with it.:mellow:
The event has changed alot since the days of Don Cosford, and Barbs.
Good Bad Better, buggered if I know. Will leave it to todays racers to decide.
Looking forward to it though.:clap:

[DEATH_INC.]

By bringing in some international competition they are helping our guys, gives 'em a measuring stick.....but I dunno about filling the raceday with 'tards, there must be some supersport and superstock guys that'd come over too....

[Kickaha]

Might as well seeing as they're turning the street races there into the NZ SuperMoto Nationals.

Combine F1 and F2 and give the motards 2 classes. Pffft........

You can try emailing them to express your displeasure but of the 3 people I know that tried that last year not one was given the courtesy of a reply

If it wasn't for the fact I'm finally getting a run on a sidecar there I wouldn't bother going back except as a spectator

[Clivoris]

Sounds like some risky changes going on there alright. No classic Side-cars? Are F1 and F2 really being combined? Bears?

[White trash]

Really really being combined mate. New Zealands premier classes lumped in together. Becoming a bit of a joke actually.

[cowpoos]

Really really being combined mate. New Zealands premier classes lumped in together. Becoming a bit of a joke actually.
be stink for those that don't get to race because they don't make max grid numbers...in F1/f2

[Sully60]

Really really being combined mate. New Zealands premier classes lumped in together. Becoming a bit of a joke actually.

+1

It's a shame but if the club running the show call the shots, but what can you do? I remember 2003? when they didn't run F3 and did the stoopid Robert Holden, stop, start fiasco that only got worse at Paeroa. People wrote open letters to the club at the time and next year it was back to how we know it.

I know from my minimal club participation that the agenda's of the few can be followed at the expense of what my be considered the greater good. I don't know what input MNZ has in this situation but one would expect that the meeting would not be sanctioned if premier classes are lumped together?

Imagine trying this out at the nationals? Nah, don't think so. I can't imagine the sponsors would appreciate it. If I was putting my money (all $3.25 of it)into an event this big I'd want top billing, maybe this it's the case that this is what the sponsors want also? But how much say do they get?

I think from a spectator point of view (which sucks when you've been out there) last year was pretty good, there's always people who will have some gripe but that's every year, and I say if it ain't broke....

[White trash]

I think that's what's partially driving their descision mate, Motards being one of the favourites from a spectators point of view.

Quite funny when competitors get all tough and try and staunch each other out from what I remember too......

[Kickaha]

No classic Side-cars?

1989 was the cutoff, that was a decision of the organisers not MNZ

classes and race order as follows

1 Formula Three
2 BEARS
3 Post Classic’s
4 Formula Wanganui F1 machines and 600cc Multi Cylinder four Strokes.
5 Super Motard - S2
6 Super Motard – S1
7 Sidecars F1 and F2 machines only, with chassis manufactured post 1989 (No post Classic
sidecars eligible)
8 Robert Holden Memorial
9 Formula Three
10 BEARS
11 Post Classic’s
12 Formula Wanganui
13 Super Motard - S2
14 Super Motard – S1
14 Sidecars’
16 Robert Holden Memorial
17 Sidecar Feature 10
18 Robert Holden Memorial Feature
19 Super Motard Feature

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2007_Wanganui_Cemetary_Circuit_Entry_Forms.pdf

[Clivoris]

It's true that the organisors can run it how they like, and having only spectated there it's probably a bit rich for me to express too strong an opinion.
Naturally enough I can't let that stop me. A couple of the joys of Wanganui for me are seeing the 600s step up to F1 and compete for that title. I'm guessing that's going to be harder this year. Chose your class and takes your chances. There are always a couple of classic sidecars that keep the more modern boys and girls on their toes as well. Will miss that badly. I'm a fan of the motards as a spectator and it is great that they aren't cutting up F3 bikes anymore, but I found the dirt section to be an anticlaimax. Maybe as our NZ riders get more used to it, it will be more of a spectacle?
It's such a good day out. I suspect that that wont change. Does anyone know whether the Bears will be allowed out to play?
Edit: Just saw the above post. 3 cheers for bears.

[Kickaha]

There are always a couple of classic sidecars that keep the more modern boys and girls on their toes as well.

There's also one in particular who's to busy showing of to get the fuck out of the fast guys way when they lap him

[White trash]

Pffft, like you fat bastards have ever lapped someone.

[Sully60]

I think that's what's partially driving their descision mate, Motards being one of the favourites from a spectators point of view

Yeah but good enough for a total of five races?



Quite funny when competitors get all tough and try and staunch each other out from what I remember too......


Yeah I must admit my knuckles are in much better condition since I stopped motarding.

But I was the one more used to being staunched than doing the staunching as you have already pointed out in a previous post.

Maybe they should have a class for 142 cc twin cylinder bikes with the number sixty. I think that would be really exciting (for me anyway) :wacko:




but I found the dirt section to be an anticlaimax. Maybe as our NZ riders get more used to it, it will be more of a spectacle?

The temporary nature of the off road section wasn't really what it should have been IMH(Spectator)O, the dirt surface was a bit loose and really a bit short, the jumps were pretty cool but more room to wind them up on the dirt would have been the shit. Slowing them down to turn on the dirt is the interesting part:clap:

[Clivoris]

There's also one in particular who's to busy showing of to get the fuck out of the fast guys way when they lap him
Agreed. The circus acts could put on a lunchtime show.

Yeah but good enough for a total of four races?


The temporary nature of the off road section wasn't really what it should have been IMH(Spectator)O, the dirt surface was a bit loose and really a bit short, the jumps were pretty cool but more room to wind them up on the dirt would have been the shit. Slowing them down to turn on the dirt is the interesting part:clap:

True that too.

[slowpoke]

Aaaaah fuggit!
Having been out of the country for nearly 20 years I was like a kid before Christmas at the prospect of spectating at Wanganui last year.....and despite perfect weather I came away disappointed at how far the event hadn't progressed.
Apart from the taller wire fence around the track it was like stepping back in time. What should have been built up into a real festival seems to have hardly progressed in anyway whatsoever.
In parts standards have actually dropped, with one teenage female marshall walking around in socks, hardly able to stand still on the hot bitumen when a rider went tits up, then her equally inept colleague trying to get the bike off the track stabbing up and down at the brake lever trying to get it out of gear. When another accident ocurred at the following corner she decides she could get a better look by standing in the middle of the track, back to the traffic, as bikes are still hammering up from the corner before. Where are the crusty old enthusiasts with a decent head on their shoulders?
Gaaaah! I get angry at the thought of what the event could and should be.
Back to the topic, could we be partly to blame ourselves for the F1/F2 class? I mean the Vic Club allows F2 bikes into F1. I can't help feeling this cross entering has had an effect on the lack of Superbikes around (12-13 at National events) as people seek to double their race time. I reckon you should only be allowed to cross enter one race per event, and only if you are in Clubman's, just to gauge your ability to step up. We have effectively dumbed down our racers by encouraging them to stay in 600's rather than progressing to a Superbike. I mean why would Jay Lawrence, Chris Sucich and co want to step up and only get half the track time?
That 600's have been successful in the past, thanks in no small part to that freak Mr Shirriffs, has probably played a part in the decision to amalgamate the classes too.
An Aprilia SXV550 motard is obviously the weapon of choice if you want lots of racing at Wanganui. By my reckoning you'd be eligible to compete in 12 of the 19 races if you are good/fit enough.

[k14]

By my reckoning you'd be eligible to compete in 12 of the 19 races if you are good/fit enough.
Nope, new rule this year mean motards can only race in motard races. Not allowed to be with proper bikes (F1/F2/F3) . So supermotard is only allowed in supermotard class. Pretty sure they aren't allowed to race in bears either.

[GSVR]

Aaaaah fuggit!
That 600's have been successful in the past, thanks in no small part to that freak Mr Shirriffs, has probably played a part in the decision to amalgamate the classes too.


What happend last year was one bike per class. If you wanted to enter F1 and F2 you had to enter 2 seperate bikes.

But apparently you could still ride one of those bikes in bike in both F1 and F2 so go figure that one out.

Not allowing cross entery was good for keeping the classes seperate but big teams with plenty of bikes (motards included) could still race out of class by just enteruing another bike.

[roogazza]

What a shame, Wanganui used to be such a great event, just like all the other street circuits ! Maybe its dying ?
I thought I was just getting old last year when I decided to flag it , but I think this year ,again, I'll opt for a nice blast on my own somewhere.

Maybe all the newbies think its great, but I'm lucky enough to have experienced the best years.......... Gaz.

[Deano]

Well that's it then - I'm boycotting Wanga's this year !! ( I wasn't going to do it anyway with family committments).

Sounds like a great opportunity for a multi sport though - Ultimate Fighter Motarding. That way if you're getting beaten you can wait until being lapped then take out the leader in a reverse naked choke. It would make a great team sport. Think of the camaraderie potential.

[Sully60]

Sounds like a great opportunity for a multi sport though - Ultimate Fighter Motarding. That way if you're getting beaten you can wait until being lapped then take out the leader in a reverse naked choke. It would make a great team sport. Think of the camaraderie potential.

Now that would be STAUNCH:girlfight:

[Joni]

Last years race was a royal f*** up for one of the Chch sidecar teams due to new rules popping up without much communication to the teams... They were gutted and basically dragged the sidecar back to Chch with their tails between their legs. I was gutted for them, and because of the fiasco the event wont be seeing Alex Mc racing there again.

After this new rule popped in for this year, I can only wonder what is in store for all the racers for next year... Hmm, hope they dont completely stuff a really great event.

[steveb64]

Aaaaah fuggit!
Snip'd

Back to the topic, could we be partly to blame ourselves for the F1/F2 class? I mean the Vic Club allows F2 bikes into F1. I can't help feeling this cross entering has had an effect on the lack of Superbikes around (12-13 at National events) as people seek to double their race time. I reckon you should only be allowed to cross enter one race per event, and only if you are in Clubman's, just to gauge your ability to step up. We have effectively dumbed down our racers by encouraging them to stay in 600's rather than progressing to a Superbike.
Snip'd.


MNZ Rules: Appendix A - Sports Production Regulations.

1. Sports Production Classes
501cc – 600cc 4-stroke 4 cylinders maximum
601cc – 675cc 4-stroke 3 cylinders maximum (including 750V twins)


MNZ Rules: Appendix C - Production Superbike Regulations.

1 Capacity
700cc ~ Open 4-stroke 3 & 4 Cylinder
800cc ~ Open 4-stroke Twin Cylinder

Why can't the under size limit bikes be protested out? Seems like a clear breach of the MNZ rulebook.
Sure, some 600's can get around a tight twisty track faster than a 1000. So what? If they're allowed to ignore the class capacity limits, then why shouldn't the 1000's be allowed to race in the 600's class at places like Puke?

Isn't that WHY there's cc limits in place - both maximum AND minimum? To prevent unfair advantage?

Follow your own rules MNZ!

[cowpoos]

MNZ Rules: Appendix A - Sports Production Regulations.

1. Sports Production Classes
501cc – 600cc 4-stroke 4 cylinders maximum
601cc – 675cc 4-stroke 3 cylinders maximum (including 750V twins)


MNZ Rules: Appendix C - Production Superbike Regulations.

1 Capacity
700cc ~ Open 4-stroke 3 & 4 Cylinder
800cc ~ Open 4-stroke Twin Cylinder

Why can't the under size limit bikes be protested out? Seems like a clear breach of the MNZ rulebook.
Sure, some 600's can get around a tight twisty track faster than a 1000. So what? If they're allowed to ignore the class capacity limits, then why shouldn't the 1000's be allowed to race in the 600's class at places like Puke?

Isn't that WHY there's cc limits in place - both maximum AND minimum? To prevent unfair advantage?

Follow your own rules MNZ!
streets are run under old F1/F2 type rules...much in the same way most clubs rule f1/f2 rules...

just because MNZ sanction the event...doesn't mean their championship rules are followed.

[steveb64]

streets are run under old F1/F2 type rules...much in the same way most clubs rule f1/f2 rules...

just because MNZ sanction the event...doesn't mean their championship rules are followed.

Ahh bugger! Hmmph - I thought "Aha! The old F1 rules were basically the same." - was about to rush out and retreive one of my old ACU rulebooks - then thought to look at the entry form pdf at the top...

MNZ General Road Racing & these local Supplementary Regulations

:Oops: Thats an argument stopper. I guess as long as they put it in the "local supplementary Regs" - they can make up any rule set they like! :argh: Sigh.

[Bykmad]

People. It is a ROAD RACE meeting, not a bloody Moto X on the road. If you dont like it, TELL THEM so. I have been going to it since I was born, and last years was THE WORST!!!
I go there for the racing, the people and the atmosphere. I used to think of it as NZ's small Isle of Man TT. If this year is not MUCH better, I'll not be going again, and I've been there 45 times.

[Sparky Bills]

6 ozzie super retards....
Well there go the top 6 placings in that class!
Its all for the spectators. Combining F1 and F2 is the just stupid! I wasnt going to bother, but id much rather be dead last than stand and watch all day.
I simply couldnt do that.

[Kickaha]

People. It is a ROAD RACE meeting, not a bloody Moto X on the road. If you dont like it, TELL THEM so. I have been going to it since I was born, and last years was THE WORST!!!


I emailed them last year as I thought it was the crappiest meeting I'd attended (as a rider)and so did a couple of others, none of us got a reply

[Sully60]

I emailed them last year as I thought it was the crappiest meeting I'd attended (as a rider)and so did a couple of others, none of us got a reply

Yeah, that sucks. I've heard many a similar story.

It seems the whole thing may have become less about the interests of the riders and passengers and more about the interests of ????
Aw I dunno:confused:

What does it do for the sport longterm? The results remain to be seen.

[sunhuntin]

as a local rider, and roughly weekly rider of the cemetary esses, i can honestly say:

it would not suprise me if this years races get cancelled. we are now in november, and there are no safety fences up ANYWHERE. all thats there is the posts that werent taken down last year.
the fences were completed by about this time last year.

and as for the motards... what a load of bull! fun for some, but considering they have the jumps in the middle of a fence that has bushes covering most of it, leaving almost no room for spectators... wtf is the point of having jumps at all, if no one can see them? actually... the jumps and extension of the dirt track appears to be all that they are working on for this year.

maybe the road races will eventually be scrapped all together, leaving only motards?

i am seriously considering spending my $25 at the boxing day sales instead.

[Kickaha]

I don't know if this is still current but perhaps those people who have voiced thier displeasure about the way the event is heading might like to fire off a email and let them know
http://cemeterycircuit.co.nz/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=2

[GSVR]

Seems like this thread is turning into a bit of a moan.

While they are making changes I reacon a good class would be one for warranted and registered road bikes. Conditions of entry to the class is you have to ride the bike to the event. No tyre warmers, no slicks. At the track lights taped up, Rear vison mirrors/ numberplates removed/sidestand wired up and race number issued. No gycol in radiator.

Maybe require the bikes to be standard and unmodified.

Now that would be a proper streetbike race instead of a street racebike race.

[Sully60]

Seems like this thread is turning into a bit of a moan.

While they are making changes I reacon a good class would be one for warranted and registered road bikes. Conditions of entry to the class is you have to ride the bike to the event. No tyre warmers, no slicks. At the track lights taped up, Rear vison mirrors/ numberplates removed/sidestand wired up and race number issued. No gycol in radiator.

Maybe require the bikes to be standard and unmodified.

Now that would be a proper streetbike race instead of a street racebike race.


Oh Moan,
Not another who wants a class just for them and their bike:bleh:

That would be interesting though, I reckon there'd be a few dark horse road only riders that would go okay.
But there would be a multitude of toothpaste tube tossers having their egos crushed beyond all recognition:jerry:

[Sparky Bills]

Seems like this thread is turning into a bit of a moan.

While they are making changes I reacon a good class would be one for warranted and registered road bikes. Conditions of entry to the class is you have to ride the bike to the event. No tyre warmers, no slicks. At the track lights taped up, Rear vison mirrors/ numberplates removed/sidestand wired up and race number issued. No gycol in radiator.

Maybe require the bikes to be standard and unmodified.

Now that would be a proper streetbike race instead of a street racebike race.


Na bugger that!
Think of all the wannabe road riders who think they're the shit! Would be utter carnage!
The real racers wouldnt get a chance to race cause they would forever be cleaning up broken bikes and people!:stupid:

[cowpoos]

The real racers wouldnt get a chance to race cause they would forever be cleaning up broken bikes and people!:stupid:

all this talk about real racers...shit martin...you of all people should know that theres heaps of really really fast guys out there for the lack of $$$ would be cleaning up on the track! I say its not a bad idea...but the exicution of it would be difficult!!!

[sunhuntin]

Na bugger that!
Think of all the wannabe road riders who think they're the shit! Would be utter carnage!
The real racers wouldnt get a chance to race cause they would forever be cleaning up broken bikes and people!:stupid:

imagine skidmark giving it a go? or carver and sidewinder? farrrrk! LOL.

[Sully60]

all this talk about real racers...shit martin...you of all people should know that theres heaps of really really fast guys out there for the lack of $$$ would be cleaning up on the track! I say its not a bad idea...but the exicution of it would be difficult!!!

Yeah I'd bet you'd be cleaned up by a few of your customers too!Martin:dodge:

The unwritten rule is always beat your customers, aye boys:msn-wink:
Especially at Wanganui in front of so many people:clap:


imagine skidmark giving it a go? or carver and sidewinder? farrrrk! LOL.

And imagine the pages of shit on here that would follow:yawn:

[GSVR]

Na bugger that!
Think of all the wannabe road riders who think they're the shit! Would be utter carnage!
The real racers wouldnt get a chance to race cause they would forever be cleaning up broken bikes and people!:stupid:

Don't think any day licenses would be issued.

Mikey did well last year. What group would you put him in?

Actually most road riders have a higher self preservation instinct than racers. eg. more racers crash than guys that go to trackdays.

[Kickaha]

Think of all the wannabe road riders who think they're the shit! Would be utter carnage!


Those kind of guys always have an excuse and don't generally front up at any tracks

Perhaps the organisers see the motards as bringing in a bigger crowd and thus more $$$$$$$$$

[GSVR]

Perhaps the organisers see the motards as bringing in a bigger crowd and thus more $$$$$$$$$

Theres no doubt that motocross is much bigger than roadracing. For one competitors can be peewees up. And theres also no doubt that the motards provide a great spectacle with wheelies and backing into corners. The more varied the racing is the wider the interest.

What is not interesting is a whole day of the same guys racing the same bikes in different classes. But hey anyone competing wants as much circuit time as they can get. I was a bit dissapointed with the time I got last year (first timer) but atleast I got to have a go. Seems if you get good enough to make the Robert Holden races then its all good.

[scrivy]

I don't know if this is still current but perhaps those people who have voiced thier displeasure about the way the event is heading might like to fire off a email and let them know
http://cemeterycircuit.co.nz/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=1&Itemid=2

Well fark me Kick, I opened this link, and guess who the sidecar team number 69 is in that picture..........????? Me and sidecar bob back in 1987!!! F@rk!!
Hardcase!!:clap:

[scrivy]

There's also one in particular who's to busy showing of to get the fuck out of the fast guys way when they lap him

He has to do that Kick, otherwise he'd be pushing you guys around Wangy (the speed you and Divvo go......) :pinch: :eek:

He's learnt not to show up any of you slower guys from the South........ :bleh::bleh:

[Joni]

Shhh Scrivy, I would not talk about that guy and Divvo... they have "history"... Dave is not the fondest of the classic sidecars in street circuits, well at least when they are racing against the moderns :no:

:niceone:

[speedpro]

Think of all the wannabe road riders who think they're the shit! Would be utter carnage!
The real racers wouldnt get a chance to race cause they would forever be cleaning up broken bikes and people!:stupid:

They used to call it the "Clubmans" class. Thankfully they canned it at Wanganui. Every damned race there was carnage caused by utterly incompetent riders. They lumped me and my bucket in with them a couple of times, bit slow don't you know, and it was some of the dodgiest racing I've ever done. Guys trying to outbrake you on GSXR1100s and such. It never worked. F3 was much better though the b'stards never even took lap times and always started me off the back of the grid, even when I got 14th in the first race. I had many a discussion in the pits with various 400 multi riders and one RS125 rider about riding "style".

[carver]

imagine skidmark giving it a go? or carver and sidewinder? farrrrk! LOL.

the mormon few will own you

were not racers and we dont pretend to be, hence the name

THE MORMON FEW-STUNT CREW

[flipper69]

Hey Kick,

So with the reduced eligibility in the sidecar races how many are they expecting to get on the grid? How many laps are we getting? They better not be reducing the amount of laps!! From speaking to the massive crowd myself last year as far as they are concerned, the motards should be back on the farms looking after the cows and sheep. It is the top class solo action and sidecar racing that they are there to see, all the organisers have to do is do what i did and go around and ask. If Wangas is going to the dirt we may as well include a river jump as well. So much for tradition!!
As for Annan and his dislike for other competitors at the Cemetry Circuit, it is only cause he has trouble passing some of the vintage machines. I heard a rumor he mayb purchasing the #74 triumph so he can wear an open face helmet for a change. Then we will have all the crowd chanting BUMFACE BUMFACE BUMFACE!!!.

Look forward to catching up with all you guys and girl at xmas.

Stacey
Team MSR



1989 was the cutoff, that was a decision of the organisers not MNZ

classes and race order as follows

1 Formula Three
2 BEARS
3 Post Classic’s
4 Formula Wanganui F1 machines and 600cc Multi Cylinder four Strokes.
5 Super Motard - S2
6 Super Motard – S1
7 Sidecars F1 and F2 machines only, with chassis manufactured post 1989 (No post Classic
sidecars eligible)
8 Robert Holden Memorial
9 Formula Three
10 BEARS
11 Post Classic’s
12 Formula Wanganui
13 Super Motard - S2
14 Super Motard – S1
14 Sidecars’
16 Robert Holden Memorial
17 Sidecar Feature 10
18 Robert Holden Memorial Feature
19 Super Motard Feature

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2007_Wanganui_Cemetary_Circuit_Entry_Forms.pdf

[Joni]

Look forward to catching up with all you guys and girl at xmas.I look forward to seeing you again Stace... hopefully this time we can actually get a few minutes to catch up and chat! :D

[Shaun]

Ever since Barbara Lett was replaced as the boss of wanganui street racing, that meeting has being going back wards very fast!

Dirt bikes racing there, what a joke, take the chook chases back to the farm or get a proper road race bike

Wanganui meeting sucks these days

[Bykmad]

Shaun.
You are far from the only person to be worried about Wanganui. It is a big part of our Road racing history/Folk Lore, but where is it currently being taken??????? I am sure the current crew have a vision, but my question is, is it a Road Race vision on a Road Race circuit, or should they run a MX on a Road Race circuit. Silly me, thats what they are doing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sod the Road Racers, lets bring in Aussie Motards and put them on the road in place of 600 Supersports bikes.
Motards have their place, but NOT at the expense of Road Race competitors at a Road Race event, especially when the class they are replacing is the biggest class in the country.

[speedpro]

Ever since Barbara Lett was replaced as the boss of wanganui street racing, that meeting has being going back wards very fast!

Dirt bikes racing there, what a joke, take the chook chases back to the farm or get a proper road race bike

Wanganui meeting sucks these days

Barbara was the main reason I stopped racing there. That and I'm old and even slower than before.

[Sparky Bills]

It seems that ive hit a nerve:headbang:

By "Real Road Racer" I mean the people who have comitted to a race bike. Spent the money etc
Not the "fast road riders"

[roogazza]

Shaun.
You are far from the only person to be worried about Wanganui. It is a big part of our Road racing history/Folk Lore, but where is it currently being taken??????? I am sure the current crew have a vision, but my question is, is it a Road Race vision on a Road Race circuit, or should they run a MX on a Road Race circuit. Silly me, thats what they are doing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sod the Road Racers, lets bring in Aussie Motards and put them on the road in place of 600 Supersports bikes.
Motards have their place, but NOT at the expense of Road Race competitors at a Road Race event, especially when the class they are replacing is the biggest class in the country.

Its a big mistake as far as I can see and they probably won't wake up until it's fucked !!!!! Gaz.

[Toast]

I take it since Open and Sports Production classes are lumped in together that the 600's are allowed to use slicks as well as DOTS?

[diesel pig]

I take it since Open and Sports Production classes are lumped in together that the 600's are allowed to use slicks as well as DOTS?

The way they police the classes you could bolt on a turbo and they would not give a shit.:rolleyes:

[Toast]

The way they police the classes you could bolt on a turbo and they would not give a shit.:rolleyes:

Sounds good to me.

[Kickaha]

The way they police the classes you could bolt on a turbo and they would not give a shit.:rolleyes:


Ah yes a Speed Triple in the post classic class last year?

[sunhuntin]

MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN PEOPLE!

ran into part of the fencing crew tonight [yes, the fences are almost entirely up, but barely a start on the crappy motard track] and listening in, reports from the motards are tops... seems the attendees from last year they spoke to, loved them! so find the people running the show, and make your opinions known. if you ask one of the marshalls, chances are they will be able to point you in the right direction.
if i get the nerve to go see an x on saturday, i will be giving him my opinion of the motards. he pushed his luck tonight, so im not keen to track him down.

only thing i do know there are about 20 sidecars entered. not sure about numbers for other races.

[Kickaha]

only thing i do know there are about 20 sidecars entered. not sure about numbers for other races.

We have a track limit of 20, there were 19 confirmed entries two weeks ago

[scott411]

here are some facts to get me shot down here,

i raced wanganui last year, and i am a Motard rider (farm boy, chook chaser or what ever other derogatory term you want to use)

i watched most classes last year, and the F1 and F2 feilds were not full, yet they turned motard riders away, so go where the numbers of riders are, also some the F1 feild were on 600's anyway (Bernards aussie boys just rode each others bikes instead of the R1's they had sitting in the pits) if the classes can;t be filled let other guys in, ALso with the banning of motard bikes out of F3 they had to put the guys that entered that class somewhere

as for limiting the sidecars, i can see why thye did it, their was a huge difference in speed last year, however i think a classic/post classic class would be good to watch, however which class do you drop to make it, the lowest entered one, Because the way i here it bears only had 12 entries until they started letting motards in their as well.

just my thoughts,

PS
Also i got my entry form for Pearoa, i thought the covering letter slagging off wanganui for thier choices was a bit off, we are to smaller sport to get infighting like this,

edit: The Riders and Fans will make the final call on if the new format works, if the fans do not turn up, then the club will have to change, same with the riders,

[Deano]

Also i got my entry form for Pearoa, i thought the covering letter slagging off wanganui for thier choices was a bit off,

I got the letter too, and while Paeroa did express disappointment at Wanganui's decision, I wouldn't call it slagging off. In fact, didn't they wish them well with their new direction ?

[Reckless]

I'm not a racer so correct me if I'm wrong here.
As you can see I have a classic bike and with my karting background (we raced at whanganui a couple of times) we get five races at a kart meeting. I was thinking that with the post classics for example, do you think they will be interested in coming for just two races? All that organising, tuning, motels, money etc for two races?? I say this cause I was wandering through the pits at Paeroa and they where pretty pissed at their 3rd race getting canned in favour of the motards. I think I heard the words Cross entering classes, sponsorship and money where mentioned. A lot of the crowd also go to watch the Bears, classics and post classics (in my case). The motards are exciting to watch, and I suppose times move on, but there is still alot of the crowd that love the old bikes. If the riders decide not to spend all that cash for 2 races then there is bears and classics you don't have to worry about. Is this the officials way of eliminating these classes as next year they may be able to say "there's not enough entries" so we wont run that class!
Just my 2 cents, its just a shame to see the old bike classes dying!!!

[scott411]

I say this cause I was wandering through the pits at Paeroa and they where pretty pissed at their 3rd race getting canned in favour of the motards.

i am not sure what you mean, the motards only got 2 races like everyone else at paeroa,

and i understand completly in what you mean about 2 races, it is a very long weekend for 2 6 laps races,

[Reckless]

Scott I didn't realise that. I'm sure I saw motards out more than twice, but if you where racing I'm not questioning you. As I said i was only hanging in the pits. Maybe it was because at Paeroa they could cross enter other classes and have more races if they chose to. I understand from this thread that won't happen at Whanganui.
haha if you compare what we are talking here to Dangers attitude in our off road threads, where he isn't keen on loading his MX bike on the trailer to race unless he can ride it for a few hours each ride or the time we have on the MX bikes on a Trialblazer or MR motorcycles ride. Jeepers some guys do a 40k loop 5 times or more. 12 laps road racing plus motels seems pretty ??? from a riders point of view. I couldn't afford it.
Although I did only two demonstration races in a day at whanganui in my kart and will never forget it!

[roogazza]

The fact that F1 and 2 are combined is a real worry . The main attraction events obviously can't fill a grid , so why don't the powers that be take a good hard look at the format and try to boost Bears, Post classic, or even just Classics ? ( F3, clubmans ,whatever...)
Maybe its time to return to good old production racing ? (no mods just Production).
Motard is a separate sport and I reckon should stay that way.

Lost me sorry , I'm off for my own fang that day !

My cents worth. Gaz.

[Reckless]

Production no mods......you might have a point there. Shop floor 600's and 1000's are very very fast these days. We'd have to make them noisier though! Tail section slip ons only.
anyway enough of this back to work!

[sunhuntin]

I'm not a racer so correct me if I'm wrong here.
As you can see I have a classic bike and with my karting background (we raced at whanganui a couple of times) we get five races at a kart meeting. I was thinking that with the post classics for example, do you think they will be interested in coming for just two races? All that organising, tuning, motels, money etc for two races?? I say this cause I was wandering through the pits at Paeroa and they where pretty pissed at their 3rd race getting canned in favour of the motards. I think I heard the words Cross entering classes, sponsorship and money where mentioned. A lot of the crowd also go to watch the Bears, classics and post classics (in my case). The motards are exciting to watch, and I suppose times move on, but there is still alot of the crowd that love the old bikes. If the riders decide not to spend all that cash for 2 races then there is bears and classics you don't have to worry about. Is this the officials way of eliminating these classes as next year they may be able to say "there's not enough entries" so we wont run that class!
Just my 2 cents, its just a shame to see the old bike classes dying!!!

the old bikes and sidecars are what i go to see... motards do not interest me beyond watching one or two laps. i certainly dont want to watch them all day. as said, i will be there, but chances are i will also be wandering the pits if i can, taking photos of the real bikes and their riders.

[scott411]

i like the vareity in the streets, i like watching most classes, i like how close you can get to the racing, if i was watching F1 bikes all day it would be boring, same with sidecars, and same with motards, its the variety that makes it fun to watch,
it was a big call to put another motard class in, but i presume it was numbers driven and the fact that the other classes wanted the motard bikes out of their races,

[Joni]

it was a big call to put another motard class in, but i presume it was numbers driven and the fact that the other classes wanted the motard bikes out of their races,So why not play it fair and say "OK motards you get your own class as they have, but you are limited to x amount of bikes in your 2 races"

Surely fairness is what its all about....

Of course last year there was a great responce to the Motards, they got their own new spanky "off road" bit.... that does not make them more popular, more interesting than any other class... it was just last years "wank value"...

Each spectator goes for their own reasons... I could not give two poops about the Motards myself... but love the sidecars for obvious reasons (go Divvo and Kick) and will be yelling my lungs out for White Trash.

[sunhuntin]

but the stupid thing about the motard track is the fact is highly surrounded by freckin bushes! if you want a spot where you can see, ya gotta there at least 2 races BEFORE it starts, and sit there staring a dirt path for ages. if theyre gonna keep it, it needs to be done so everyone can see.
i tried to get a few pics last year, but couldnt cos all the spots were taken, and the rest was shrubs.

[scott411]

So why not play it fair and say "OK motards you get your own class as they have, but you are limited to x amount of bikes in your 2 races"

Surely fairness is what its all about....

.

as with everyclass their is a cut off, i think it is 40 bikes, and 20 sidecars, (don't quote me) if the 2 motrad classes are not full i presume they will return to 1 class next year, (i know the 450 class is full now, unsure on the bigger class)

at wanganui they do not let you cross enter bikes, it is one bike one class, if you want to ride 2 classes you need to bikes, i have heard they started letting motards into bears as well as entries were very low at the close off,

[Joni]

as with everyclass their is a cut off, i think it is 40 bikes, and 20 sidecars, (don't quote me) if the 2 motrad classes are not full i presume they will return to 1 class next year, (i know the 450 class is full now, unsure on the bigger class)So if the 2 classes are full? and it looks like more are on the way? Will there be yet another Motard class next year? Pfft, stay consistent, and stay fair to all participants...

And yes I know about the "cross entering" situation/rule as well.

[jrandom]

I could not give two poops about the Motards myself... but love the sidecars for obvious reasons (go Divvo and Kick) and will be yelling my lungs out for White Trash.

Personally, I plan on being solidly drunk by the time the racing starts, so I'll just be generally yelling my lungs out.

:2thumbsup

[Joni]

Personally, I plan on being solidly drunk by the time the racing starts, so I'll just be generally yelling my lungs out.

:2thumbsupI look forward to having a laugh at your expence :soon:

However the racing starts fairly early, so I suggest start drinking the night before, get a few hours sleep, wake up still pissed and keep going... else you will never reach your goal of being "solidly drunk by the time the racing starts"

Look forward to seeing you Dan.

[sunhuntin]

has there been a meeting place for kbers decided?

[jrandom]

However the racing starts fairly early, so I suggest start drinking the night before, get a few hours sleep, wake up still pissed and keep going...

But of course.

[Shaun]

has there been a meeting place for kbers decided?



The PUB with lots of cash

[scott411]

So if the 2 classes are full? and it looks like more are on the way? Will there be yet another Motard class next year? Pfft, stay consistent, and stay fair to all participants...



i am with you and hope not, but i do not see a problem with 2 classes of the numbers are their,

i agree with the fact that they should not be motard only meetings,

[sunhuntin]

The PUB with lots of cash

which pub?

[Shaun]

which pub?



Your One I guess man:first:

[ynot slow]

Your One I guess man:first:

You're the one shouting for birthday yesterday.

Remember though bikers don't drink,unless they are born again,middle aged,and ride harleys,shit 2 out of 3 ,best I get my zimmer out.

[Shaun]

You're the one shouting for birthday yesterday.

Remember though bikers don't drink,unless they are born again,middle aged,and ride harleys,shit 2 out of 3 ,best I get my zimmer out.


YEA YEA


I dont really care goes on down there this year, apart from the fact that I hope MR STROUD gets to win a bike that I have built for him!! With support from others, ie, I have my own motor man, that does the engine work that I ask him to do only, he does not do it for other people!

I get the tuning info from a UK team and a USA team and we work with there proven idea,s


Not trying to say that MR Stroud could not win on his 1000 normally built by RCM, he builds brilliant stuff, probally the best in the country next to and along with Dave Cole.

[sunhuntin]

Your One I guess man:first:

i dont have a pub... and i aint a man... :jerry:

[Shaun]

i dont have a pub... and i aint a man... :jerry:





Go to a bottle store then and meet me by the Suzuki office doors at 11am

and make sure the nickers are crutchless then:devil2: