What would bring YOU to watch a race meeting?

[jellywrestler]

My understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) is that wheelies do not break any rules

might not break any rules but Some clubs at some meetings have a policy of no wheelies, it's their meeting and their head on the chopping block therefore it's their perogative.

[yungatart]

might not break any rules but Some clubs at some meetings have a policy of no wheelies, it's their meeting and their head on the chopping block therefore it's their perogative.

Yep, I totally agree. My understanding, tho, is that the 'no wheelies' policy is unenforceable, as it is not against MNZ rules. I am still happy to be corrected/proved wrong.

Where's Billy when you need him?

[sidecar bob]

Ever been a witness in a Coroners Court, I have after a racing fatality, they show no mercy and they have the power to finish that coffin off with just one nail, they don't need lots of small ones.

Yep. I have been an "expert witness" on several occasions, as I was employed by the Tauranga Police as a motorcycle examiner for bikes involved in fatal crashes locally.
I was also an interested observer in the Leon Mason bike fatality case, so yeah, had a bit to do with it.
Now that it has been widley reported in popular media that a competitor was roasted for putting on a show, you can be sure of two things. No competitor will ever risk that again, & the paying public already know that. (not criticising the bike mag, they reported the truth, & rightfully so)
Consequently, it will show in the gate take figures for Paeroa 2014.
Running out of petrol has killed more competitors than one handed wheelies in the last ten years.
I understand comments were made, due to a picture that emerged of me swinging on a sidecar recently, clearly not hanging on with either hand at all. These kind of things are performed to make the crowd sit a little closer to the edge of their seat, give them some value for their gate fee & to hopefully help them to decide to come again next year.
If the showmanship is outlawed, racing will be as fun to watch as slot cars & consequently, will draw as big a crowds as slot cars do.

[Deano]

Supplementary regs could cover it ?

[roogazza]

You've been negative towards the Nationals for some time, seems a mindset more than anything else to me.
There were 12 bikes on the grid for the first race at Ruapuna, check mylaps it'll tell you and that is a signifcant drop from last season where there were 19.
The economys taken a hit and with the rego rise a couple of years back we're lucky there's even a dozen. don't forget the other classes which are reasonably well subscribed and the racing in pretty well all the classes is anything but processional The crowds were as big as I've seen at Ruapuna, that's life it's not 1978 and the malboro series any more.
No Atmosphere, were you there? I was and there was a good vibe around the place, not the same as a street circuit but pretty damn good.

You've watched all levels of bike racing for long enough to know that one day there'll be a shit fight out there, the next it'll be a procession...
What, I'm not allowed !!!!
I've said before that I have no interest in Championships here. You are in favour and that's cool . Pump away in the rose tinted glasses! you don't have to go far to see I'm not alone.
Yes I've been following racing a long time and I can tell, as many others can, that Nationals has always been for a select few who want to race for a title that to them means they were the winner in that race in that year. I just never saw any value in it sorry. More often than not Nth riders wouldn't bother to go Sth and vise versa. You are the winner of those that turned up only.
Sundays NZGP played on TV3 was average at best and if twelve bikes were there, 6 or 7 were in the race, well two really.
Sorry it's been going downhill since probably the 90s, Fact ! Shit I loved Wanganui, started there in 1970, thru Marlboro to early 80s. Went back on my return to NZ in 1999 and saw the drop off. Now 12 yrs on its worse again. I accept it, it's dying.
Another point, our best, Andrew Stroud,he's what 41/42 ? would never happen years ago. Who can even beat him now (the Aussie No 5) ? It's spiralling down, talent, Depth and interest.

I spend good money to travel to GPs and I get what I pay for, the best ! While I'm there in May/June i'll get me some of those glasses but hey I doubt they'll work for me.

Hang on by fingernails Spyda, I admire your glass full attitude.

[shoutout]

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He is not alone

[Str8 Jacket]

He is not alone[/QUOTE]

No he's not, thank God!!!

[crazy man]

wonder if things would work better with the TAP. maybe the riding would get payed to race who knows...thinking if horse racing did not have them l think it would be dead

[jellywrestler]

What, I'm not allowed !!!!everyones entitled to their own opinion....
I've said before that I have no interest in Championships here. You are in favour and that's cool . Pump away in the rose tinted glasses! you don't have to go far to see I'm not alone.
Yes I've been following racing a long time and I can tell, as many others can, that Nationals has always been for a select few who want to race for a title that to them means they were the winner in that race in that year. I just never saw any value in it sorry. More often than not Nth riders wouldn't bother to go Sth and vise versa. You are the winner of those that turned up only.
Sundays NZGP played on TV3 was average at best and if twelve bikes were there, 6 or 7 were in the race, well two really. i've tried to watch gp's with enthusiasm but mostly they leave me relatively bored as there's sweet FA passing there, they may be 'the best' but it's not great dicing, moto 2 and moto 3 however.
Sorry it's been going downhill since probably the 90s, Fact ! Shit I loved Wanganui, started there in 1970, thru Marlboro to early 80s. Went back on my return to NZ in 1999 and saw the drop off. Now 12 yrs on its worse again. I accept it, it's dying.
Another point, our best, Andrew Stroud,he's what 41/42 ? would never happen years ago.ever heard of guy called Joey Dunlop, won his last TT at 47 years old Who can even beat him now (the Aussie No 5) ? It's spiralling down, talent, Depth and interest.

I spend good money to travel to GPs and I get what I pay for, the bestsee previous comment does your set of rose coloured spectacles come with your ticket, like i said motogp is mostly a procession ! While I'm there in May/June i'll get me some of those glasses but hey I doubt they'll work for me.

Hang on by fingernails Spyda, I admire your glass full attitude.

You may think I've got a glass full attitude but I too see that it's not the days of old but it's still what we have in front of us and I'm going to enjoy as much as I can while it's still here. Last season there were two races where 2/1000ths of second separted first and second and a number of real close races, there's still action out there just like the old days on the track
there's no magic bullet to re invent it all, short of millions of bucks in prizemoney and advertising.
Sport as a rule are now businesses the Americas cup showed us that after all who the fuck of the population even knew the first thing about yachting till it was forced onto us by the media like the V8's, i can't see what the fuss is all about, certainly looks like expensive form of stockcar racing to me not the skill of open wheelers for sure but it's what's promoted by the people with the bucks, it's not the 'moto gp' of the cars either, why is that? why aren't the formula one or whatever the fastest out there getting the blue riband treatment here????

Drifting too, too me there's a skill but if you've seen one you've seen em all and the crowd goes nuts over a skid into the dirt or barrier, that just tells me the crowd has little perception of what skills are involved in actually racing a motor vehicle they're just there cause it's trendy to do so.
Do your self a favour one day and go to a nationals and sit back and enjoy what's there for the sake of it, you may not get a t shirt and cap and poster and laminated ticket but you'll get some Kiwis doing the best that they can fucking do in our country and enjoying it while they can.

[Deano]

"ever heard of guy called Joey Dunlop, won his last TT at 47 years old"

There's also Biaggi and Checa, winning into their 40's.

[RobGassit]

I'd like to watch Kerry and Robert mud wrestle..

[CHOPPA]

It should be free for spectators to come watch

[Str8 Jacket]

I'd like to watch Kerry and Robert mud wrestle..

Duuude, seriously, WTF?!?!?! :puke:

[roogazza]

When I used to play "A' level squash in Australia, I used to go see people like the "Khans" (even Susan Devoy) !!!
Do you get the trend ? I want to see the BEST. World Champions if possible.

We'll agree to disagree.

[RobGassit]

Duuude, seriously, WTF?!?!?! :puke:

Just getting the thread back on track. Obviously you do you own suspension so would have little interest in the outcome..:corn:

[Deano]

Apart from the weather I struggle to see the difference to a Vic club day in winter.

If you think the level of competition at Club level compares to the Nationals you're way out of touch mate.

[jellywrestler]

It should be free for spectators to come watch

problem is if it's free then people get the perception that it's not worth anything to watch therefore it's not worth actually going...

[jellywrestler]

When I used to play "A' level squash in Australia, I used to go see people like the "Khans" (even Susan Devoy) didn't ehy live at number 43? or was that the Kumars?

[sidecar bob]

Anyway, Apart from titties, beer & Dukic & Taylor mud wrestling, what do we need to do to get spectators to race meetings?
We need to get & let people ride like they are able to & want to again, rather than supress their showmanship & skills with tough penalties.
There is a T shirt with the phrase "who put the H in Whanganui?" printed on it. The H in the phrase is Robert Holdens number board on some old GS1000 or the like, with the bike standing up at 45 degrees on the Cemetary Circiut.
We have gone from that, to banning wheelies & supressing what makes bike racing fun to watch & so the show deteriorates.
I remember Glenn Williams (1st one) & Rob Holden wheelieing the full lenght of the Pukie front straight, trying to out do each other in 87, that made racing great. I dont remember who won, but nobody got in the shit for it & nobody died, well not from that anyway.
It made me want to be around bike racing thats for sure!!
Bring back the showmen & the spectators will follow.
Maybe we need a $200 bonus for each of, best wheelie, best stoppie, best motard type slide on the most inapropriate bike (cheques in the mail for that one Jay) Etc etc.
I should be clear that this is not a dig at any or every steward. They are operating under instruction, but clearly those instructions have changed over the years, as some of the stewards are still the same ones & frankly, are without exception, good bastards.

[Motu]

problem is if it's free then people get the perception that it's not worth anything to watch therefore it's not worth actually going...

Have you got statistics to back that up ? You could actually try it - advertise a free race meeting and see how many turn up, then the next meeting charge full price....and then compare the numbers. I bet I know what meeting will get the biggest attendance.

At our dirt track on Waiheke Island there was no charge for spectators, but an entry fee for competitors. No shortage of spectators...and so no shortage of up and coming racers.

Oh, that would never work, we'll just ignore that suggestion.

[jellywrestler]

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There is a T shirt with the phrase "who put the H in Whanganui?" printed on it. The H in the phrase is Robert Holdens number board on some old GS1000 or the like, with the bike standing up at 45 degrees on the Cemetary Circiut.

yep I designed that a couple of years back, Piccie taken by the laate Steve Green and BTW it was a Duke not a suzuki

[sidecar bob]

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yep I designed that a couple of years back, Piccie taken by the laate Steve Green and BTW it was a Duke not a suzuki

Now thats how to ride a race bike, people pay to watch that shit.

[scrivy]

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yep I designed that a couple of years back, Piccie taken by the laate Steve Green and BTW it was a Duke not a suzuki

Did you get fined for printing that shirt with a wheelie on it??? ;):lol:

You're encourageable Spyda......

[scrivy]

We need to get & let people ride like they are able to & want to again, rather than supress their showmanship & skills with tough penalties.
We have gone from that, to banning wheelies & supressing what makes bike racing fun to watch & so the show deteriorates.
I remember Glenn Williams (1st one) & Rob Holden wheelieing the full lenght of the Pukie front straight, trying to out do each other in 87, that made racing great. I dont remember who won, but nobody got in the shit for it & nobody died, well not from that anyway.
It made me want to be around bike racing thats for sure!!
Bring back the showmen & the spectators will follow.
Maybe we need a $200 bonus for each of, best wheelie, best stoppie, best motard type slide on the most inapropriate bike (cheques in the mail for that one Jay) Etc etc.


What about two-points??? Where's my friggin cheque........??

But yeah, on a closed sealed race circuit away from spectators, why can't you wheelie like years gone by? People used to spank their monkeys watching that shit.... I know I did..... made me go out and do it on the streets too....... :facepalm::eek5:

As for F1 cars (or even V8 Supers) - I wouldn't go to watch it if I had a free ticket. Rather stay at home and surf porn...... It appears the more money that is spent on motorsport, the less spectacular, less opportunistic, less fun for competitors, and even less enjoyable it becomes for the spectator.

[swarfie]

Did you get fined for printing that shirt with a wheelie on it??? ;):lol:


Hell...glad I didn't get fined for doing a TWO wheeled wheelie at Paeroa on the Matchy sidecar...might have to think twice before doing them in the future....Na phukit...bring it on :motu:

[roogazza]

If you think the level of competition at Club level compares to the Nationals you're way out of touch mate.

There was no difference when we had depth and things were booming.
I was there and have won national races as you call them. So what, that doesn't make you special.
What we're talking about here is would we come to a meeting and I've said motorcycle racing is fading and wouldn't bother.
I'd rather get out there myself, there are what 9 or 10 pro twins you told me ? So I would be top ten as a 64 yr old grandad !!! I'd have a pretty good shot at top 5 by the look it and that's just bloody ridiculous.
Good luck to you if that's want, each to their own I guess.

[gripper]

That would be a little more convincing if it came from an individual with a tad more than a year three education.

Lol, do you actually think you're funny ?

I was merely giving my opinion on the threads title question and you obviously can't handle the fact some (alot more than you realize ) people do not get in the slightest entertained by watching sidecars/chairs .
Your problem pal, not mine.get over yourself

[roogazza]

Now thats how to ride a race bike, people pay to watch that shit.

I can remember Holden doing that with Bill Biber on the back in a lunch break one meeting. Both were naked apart from boots and helmets and Bill had an NZ flag on a pole.
Imagine trying to do that today ? hahaha

[Str8 Jacket]

people do not get in the slightest entertained by watching sidecars/chairs .


You forgot the words; In MY opinion.

There are plenty of people that enjoy watching sidecars, infact some people enjoy watching them more than the solos...... and there are people like yourself that don't. I personally prefer to watch large grids with close racing no matter what the class is.

[scrivy]

Bill had an NZ flag on a pole.


What pole??????? Was it a big or small flag....... :lol:

[scrivy]

I was merely giving my opinion on the threads title question and you obviously can't handle the fact some (alot more than you realize ) people do not get in the slightest entertained by watching sidecars/chairs .
Your problem pal, not mine.get over yourself

:corn:

I guess when Superbikes or 600's have a HAGD, well see how many turn up then......;)

[Paul in NZ]

Getting back to the point...

You are wasting your time debating this on a motorcycle forum that seems about 50% of the active members are racers. They will go anyway.

You need to go find the people that DON'T go to motorcycle racing and ask them. There are event organisers and marketing companies that do exactly this sort of thing...

[jellywrestler]

I can remember Holden doing that with Bill Biber on the back in a lunch break one meeting. Both were naked apart from boots and helmets and Bill had an NZ flag on a pole.
Imagine trying to do that today ? hahaha

can't really, you'd struggle to find an NZ flag nowadays...

[Paul in NZ]

can't really, you'd struggle to find an NZ flag nowadays...

Local $2 shop mate....

[sidecar bob]

Lol, do you actually think you're funny ?

I was merely giving my opinion on the threads title question and you obviously can't handle the fact some (alot more than you realize ) people do not get in the slightest entertained by watching sidecars/chairs .
Your problem pal, not mine.get over yourself

No, I dont think im funny at all, I was refering to the Primary School education grammer, or lack of it in your former post, which clearly suggested youre either uneducated, or 7 years old. Obviously your mum helped you with this post though.
I couldnt give a fuck who does & dosent like watching sidecars frankly, thats not my problem, but suffice to say, we have the most entries for Taupo national event at this stage, so there will be some bitterly dissapointed spectators there I guess.
And where in this thread have I been supporting & ranting about sidecars?
I am a huge supporter of solo racing & own a front running two wheeled bike, ridden by a top rider for the benifit of racing, not for my own good.
You need to get that chip on your shoulder surgically removed, & while youre at it, why dont you just use your other log on? We all know who you are.

[gripper]

You forgot the words; In MY opinion.

There are plenty of people that enjoy watching sidecars, infact some people enjoy watching them more than the solos...... and there are people like yourself that don't. I personally prefer to watch large grids with close racing no matter what the class is.

You might want to re read my post fella. I did use that phrase, oh and its not clever to shorten someone's quote when you're as dim as you obviously are.

[gripper]

No, I dont think im funny at all, I was refering to the Primary School education grammer, or lack of it in your former post, which clearly suggested youre either uneducated, or 7 years old. Obviously your mum helped you with this post though.
I couldnt give a fuck who does & dosent like watching sidecars frankly, thats not my problem, but suffice to say, we have the most entries for Taupo national event at this stage, so there will be some bitterly dissapointed spectators there I guess.
And where in this thread have I been supporting & ranting about sidecars?
I am a huge supporter of solo racing & own a front running two wheeled bike, ridden by a top rider for the benifit of racing, not for my own good.
You need to get that chip on your shoulder surgically removed, & while youre at it, why dont you just use your other log on? We all know who you are.

Where did I say anything about you not supporting solos ?
I'm not the one with a chip buddy, you sidesaddle boys are so precious .
Id actually pay more to watch the nationals if you guys weren't there

[jellywrestler]

Id actually pay more to watch the nationals if you guys weren't there are you allowed that far from home with your Ankle Bracelet on?

[swarfie]

Where did I say anything about you not supporting solos ?
I'm not the one with a chip buddy, you sidesaddle boys are so precious .
Id actually pay more to watch the nationals if you guys weren't there

....I think this guys KB handle says it all....:girlfight:

[nodrog]

I would bring a smile, just to cheer things up abit.

[Paul in NZ]

You might want to re read my post fella. I did use that phrase, oh and its not clever to shorten someone's quote when you're as dim as you obviously are.

Fella? Oh goodness - this is getting good.... :lol:

[Paul in NZ]

I would bring a smile, just to cheer things up abit.

I'd pay to see that!

[sidecar bob]

Where did I say anything about you not supporting solos ?
I'm not the one with a chip buddy, you sidesaddle boys are so precious .
Id actually pay more to watch the nationals if you guys weren't there

Its better now than it was a couple or three years ago though.
Come along, you might enjoy yourself!! Its probably more fun than trying to out do the Grinch that stole Christmas.

[sidecar bob]

Fella? Oh goodness - this is getting good.... :lol:
Good old urban dictionary. . . .
The English noun fellatio comes from fellātus, which in Latin is the past participle of the verb fellāre, meaning to suck.

[scrivy]

I would bring a smile, just to cheer things up abit.

Like the one you had when you were on your knees and Pate was behind you........???

[nodrog]

Like the one you had when you were on your knees and Pate was behind you........???

Not that big!

[Paul in NZ]

Good old urban dictionary. . . .
The English noun fellatio comes from fellātus, which in Latin is the past participle of the verb fellāre, meaning to suck.

This whole thread sucks....

Anyway - its over to hels.....

[Str8 Jacket]

You might want to re read my post fella. I did use that phrase, oh and its not clever to shorten someone's quote when you're as dim as you obviously are.

"Fella" and you call me the stupid one! :killingme

[gripper]

"Fella" and you call me the stupid one!

Yea,basically.

[gripper]

Good old urban dictionary. . . .
The English noun fellatio comes from fellātus, which in Latin is the past participle of the verb fellāre, meaning to suck.

Thanks for the offer, but go pm your sidekick

[scrivy]

Thanks for the offer, but go pm your sidekick

Dude, you need some love in your life. Take a few happy pills, and go watch barney and friends - maybe with your mother for a bit of parental guideance......
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[Deano]

There was no difference when we had depth and things were booming.
I was there and have won national races as you call them. So what, that doesn't make you special.
What we're talking about here is would we come to a meeting and I've said motorcycle racing is fading and wouldn't bother.
I'd rather get out there myself, there are what 9 or 10 pro twins you told me ? So I would be top ten as a 64 yr old grandad !!! I'd have a pretty good shot at top 5 by the look it and that's just bloody ridiculous.
Good luck to you if that's want, each to their own I guess.

Who said it makes you special ? Your words not mine. I for one am just out there doing my best and having a shit load of fun (with my family) at the same time. Yes, I will be very happy and proud of my achievement if I win but all you can do is whine and be negative about the whole NZ racing scene. Get over it.

Top 5 ? Get a bike and bring it on then grandad :lol:

[Str8 Jacket]

Dude, you need some love in your life. Take a few happy pills, and go watch barney and friends - maybe with your mother for a bit of parental guideance......
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Mother Sister may be able to play along with her banjo.....

[Paul in NZ]

Christ - for the life of me I can't figure out what the problem is with road racing here in NZ.... :wacko:

Hey - why not set up a fight cage and you lot can have at it. Run the racing as half time entertainment...

[gripper]

Who said it makes you special ? Your words not mine. I for one am just out there doing my best and having a shit load of fun (with my family) at the same time. Yes, I will be very happy and proud of my achievement if I win but all you can do is whine and be negative about the whole NZ racing scene. Get over it.

Top 5 ? Get a bike and bring it on then grandad :lol:

Thems fightin words !
Well put deano

[gripper]

Christ - for the life of me I can't figure out what the problem is with road racing here in NZ.....

Gays on sidechairs ,that my friend is the problem !

[scrivy]

Gays on sidechairs ,that my friend is the problem !

Oh.... it's gays on sidecars that you want.....

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Hmmmm.... judging by the picture, it seems we like the same thing afterall......

[scrivy]

Gays on sidechairs ,that my friend is the problem !

I'm picking you've had a bad experience with sidecars..... care to explain it?

[sidecar bob]

I'm picking you've had a bad experience with sidecars..... care to explain it?

Happy people dont even consider behaving like that.
Id say life has got around to kicking someones arse & making them not very happy.
Taking it out on pleasant folk on the internets under cover is probably good therapy though.
I thought this thread was quite productive until this bum came along.
I think ignore list is best, cherrio tugger. . . sorry, gripper.

[gripper]

Happy people dont even consider behaving like that.
Id say life has got around to kicking someones arse & making them not very happy.
Taking it out on pleasant folk on the internets under cover is probably good therapy though.
I thought this thread was quite productive until this bum came along.
I think ignore list is best, cherrio tugger. . . sorry, gripper.

Thing is, bobby boy, that I expressed my opinion and you got your panties in a twist.
I may not Mr popular round this neck of the interweb, but there are a lot of riders (and racerss) that feel the same way, but they just keep it quiet, probably partly because of you highly strung grumpy old twats that go off the deep end when you hear the truth.truth that you obviously can't take.
Go on, put me on your ignore list .dare ya !

The gripmeister

[jellywrestler]

Oh.... it's gays on sidecars that you want.....

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Hmmmm.... judging by the picture, it seems we like the same thing afterall......

that'll give me a 'Tilt in ma Kilt'

[wharfy]

It should be free for spectators to come watch

Vic Club ran a (free for spectators) round of the Nationals the last time they did it at Manfeild - Sadly it didn't make much difference to the numbers who came to watch (it was great for us though - doing the gate is a pain in the arse !!)
We put flyers on just about every bike parked in Wellington - Had it announced at Pearoa BOTS - (there were going to be flyers put on all the spectator bikes there as well but the plonker who was supposed to do that crashed in practice) Loads of people thought it was a good idea (including me) But as I said it didn't make much difference (I actually counted the cars in the carpark for that meeting and the previous one ) and there was nothing much in it - we are talking hundreds - not thousands of cars :(
We had a shit load of programs left over as well :(

I dunno ??

[Tony.OK]

Vic Club ran a (free for spectators) round of the Nationals the last time they did it at Manfeild - Sadly it didn't make much difference to the numbers who came to watch (it was great for us though - doing the gate is a pain in the arse !!)
We put flyers on just about every bike parked in Wellington - Had it announced at Pearoa BOTS - (there were going to be flyers put on all the spectator bikes there as well but the plonker who was supposed to do that crashed in practice) Loads of people thought it was a good idea (including me) But as I said it didn't make much difference (I actually counted the cars in the carpark for that meeting and the previous one ) and there was nothing much in it - we are talking hundreds - not thousands of cars :(
We had a shit load of programs left over as well :(

I dunno ??

Should've put flyers on all the cars too.................thats the audience that needs to know when meetings are on.

I said I'd help a mate at the Taupo rnd and had to go to the MNZ site just to see what the dates were....................and I'm into bikes, its been said many times, Joe Public just doesn't know racing exists. I watch waay too much TV and have yet to see any ad's for the Nats.

Last Nats I went to at Manfeild I took a mate and to be honest we got bored, ok we were really only interested in the top level races, but there was nothing to do when not watching racing. I couldn't be rude to my mate and go yacking to those racers I knew.
Sounds like this is being addressed though, trade stands etc are being asked for. So hopefully if I get to Taupo for the final round there will be more than just a glorified club meeting (sorry but thats what the ones I've been to look like).

[CHOPPA]

Manfeild will always be a hard one to get people to, 2 hours drive is a bit far for most people. Everything is too hard. Hampton Downs would be a different story id say.

Having a stunt bike like they are having at HDs this year should be good for some entertainment, looking forward to that.

little things to keep the crowd involved, maybe a roaming commentator rocking up to spectators asking them what they ride and who their here to watch etc Maybe at lunch time they could have a guided 5 laps of the track for people to ride their road bikes around behind stroudy.

Maybe get can am to supply a spider and have slight, crosby or stroud take people around the track on it.

[jellywrestler]

Last Nats I went to at Manfeild I took a mate and to be honest we got bored, ok we were really only interested in the top level races, but there was nothing to do when not watching racing. I couldn't be rude to my mate and go yacking to those racers I knew.
why didn't you take your mates along and let them get a look at the riders setups, girlfriends butt cracks etc???, Follow one person in one class through the day and get them to sign your girlfriends bra or something
MIX WITH THE HUMANS
then at hampton downs why don't I try and sort something to do in the other races in the big top, some other bike shit on the big screen lay back and look at .
Be warned though, it'll be historic NZ shit if it's got anything to do with me

[jellywrestler]

little things to keep the crowd involved, maybe a roaming commentator rocking up to spectators asking them what they ride and who their here to watch etc
we can do that.
last Nationals at HD just one competitor bothered to cross the track and come and have a word with the commentators over the entire weekend, maybe we get the competitors to actually participate in this area this year eh?

[scrivy]

we can do that.
last Nationals at HD just one competitor bothered to cross the track and come and have a word with the commentators over the entire weekend, maybe we get the competitors to actually participate in this area this year eh?

What about me and Bob at Timaru and Chch this year Spyda..... we went up and talked......

(Might have been shit talk, but it made a few laugh...)

What about team mechanics, wives or sponsors having a rave too?
Why did you get behind this rider, what can you see in their future? Might encourage others to sponsor....??? If they can see a return.......

[slowpoke]

It's a tricky one, whatever is done to try and make a difference really isn't felt until the next year. So if something is given a crack it needs to be over a longer term. Trying something and then turfing it just puts us back to year one again. 100 extra people turn up due to ____, they go home and tell a few mates, and hopefully a few extra turn up the following year, they go home and tell a few mates and the year after we have a noticeable difference.

Short of spending huge sums we don't have, nothing is going to turn 1000 spectators into 10,000 overnight. But a small increase year on year is something we can aim for, and is achievable.

It's like the trade stands: businesses put in the effort and no-one rocks up, so they can't be bothered (who can blame them) the next year. 'Course the few people who make a return due to the trade stands come back and see nothing so go home disappointed. And the cycle just continues. Somewhere, sometime the decision has to be made to suck it up in the short term for some long term gain.

[jellywrestler]

What about me and Bob at Timaru and Chch this year Spyda..... we went up and talked......

(Might have been shit talk, but it made a few laugh...)

What about team mechanics, wives or sponsors having a rave too?
Why did you get behind this rider, what can you see in their future? Might encourage others to sponsor....??? If they can see a return.......

yep and it was a pleasure to have you guys up there and anyone else whose got an inside look into a class is what we encourage. Don't be scared of us, we can taylor the questions to suit the person and their persona and make sure they have an enjoyable time of it.

At HD it's a little harder to get across the track to the box, so people don't bother and In my opinion lose an opportunity to promote themselves and their product/sponsors.
It's wider spread of publicity now as the middleman sponsoring a bike/rider who never really went to a meeting before often now listens at home so they get a kick out of their rider/product being promoted.

[Road kill]

Take up a sport that doesn't require other peoples money.

[nodrog]

Take up a sport that doesn't require other peoples money.

Fapping off?

I'm thinking of challenging you for the title, but without spectators it will just be 2 naked dudes by themselves in a room, and thats abit weird.

[scrivy]

What about getting some more top riders out here. Not just from Aussie either. Oceania riders, UK, America etc...
Yes it costs money, but then you have something better to promote, and get more bums on seats.

I was gunna fork out some good coin to get Schwantz here back in '09 for the TRRS and endurance race. Would have been great for spectators, and I could have chucked the money back at the competitors at the next event.

[scrivy]

Fapping off?

I'm thinking of challenging you for the title, but without spectators it will just be 2 naked dudes by themselves in a room, and thats abit weird.

What's the entry fee???
I know Bob will wanna be a starter too - so it's up to 4 now.....

[nodrog]

What's the entry fee???
I know Bob will wanna be a starter too - so it's up to 4 now.....

Its $69 plus $16 for a transgender. But you can just use your drag racing one.

[Billy]

What about getting some more top riders out here. Not just from Aussie either. Oceania riders, UK, America etc...
Yes it costs money, but then you have something better to promote, and get more bums on seats.

I was gunna fork out some good coin to get Schwantz here back in '09 for the TRRS and endurance race. Would have been great for spectators, and I could have chucked the money back at the competitors at the next event.

Yip,

Did that myself this year and enticed Luke Burgess over from Aussie,The benefits are huge in so many ways and the attitude of both Luke and his dad Dale is so different to the Kiwi riders,Theyve turned up for what was basically a free ride and when ever theres been an issue,They don't hesitate to get the cheque book out and fix it,If thats what it takes,Has been a invaluable carrot for young Baillie Perriton and he has risen to the ocassion,Hopefully by raising the bar as Luke has done it will drag some of the kiwi riders up as well and its raised the profile of the class,Also it gives the kiwis an idea of how fast they need to be before considering using up their valuable cash reserves chasing the impossible dream without a clue,Youve got no idea how mant peeps have emailed or rung me to say how much they enjoyed his "Back it in" Style,Especially at Ruapuna,Wouldnt bother with another Kiwi to be honest.

[sidecar bob]

I guess the "how to get spectators to meetings" question was answered when the Classic Register got Schwantz out.
I know it cost them a packet, but the place was absolutely chocka with spectators.
Big name guys from his era that can still ride hard with the best of them are huge drawcards, as opposed to some shuffling old fossil that once rode a big wheel sidecar in 1954.

[wharfy]

Somewhere, sometime the decision has to be made to suck it up in the short term for some long term gain.
Sadly NZ is geared to the attention span of a 6 year old - almost everything from TV content to Government policy is done for a quick return.
Ask anyone what there 5 year plan is and their eyes will glaze over "what ?" (mine is limited to "still be above ground")
Never mind a 10, 15 or 25 year plan.
- There are notable exceptions of course -
TAIT in Christchurch for one http://www.taitradio.com/our-company/our-history
(add your favourite :) )

I do know some individuals who have there shit together, have plan and are following it - but not many -
It's a bit like weight loss everyone knows that it is simple -eat right and exercise - but the weight loss business is worth $Billions $Billions because people want to lose weight NOW ( and a bizarre idea that an ideal woman looks like a 14 year old boy ??? )

Sigh...
I wish I DID have a quick fix...
Good job I'm not King of the world :)

[CHOPPA]

Even if we could get a bunch of NZ legends out on the track plenty of people would come to watch! Get Stroud, Rees, Slight, Crafar, Clee, Harris, Shirriffs, Merkell and a maybe a few of there mate on superbikes now that would be something to draw out the crowds

[scrivy]

What was the meeting years back when they got the past 500GP riders together?
I wish we could emulate that here. A couple of hundy K and supplied bikes.... would be a great spectacle for all riders/racers/spectators....

I'll supply one, who else is up for it? :banana:

Imagine the overseas media too. A great sponsorship op.

I guess I'm old school. but I liked the 500GP's without all their electric wizardry. Gotta love guys like Mamola, Schwantz, etc.
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Nice pic - 1 great rider.... the other two guys are short....... (:lol:) Oh, in my dreams.....

[CHOPPA]

What was the meeting years back when they got the past 500GP riders together?
I wish we could emulate that here. A couple of hundy K and supplied bikes.... would be a great spectacle for all riders/racers/spectators....

I'll supply one, who else is up for it? :banana:

Imagine the overseas media too. A great sponsorship op.

I guess I'm old school. but I liked the 500GP's without all their electric wizardry. Gotta love guys like Mamola, Schwantz, etc.
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Nice pic - 1 great rider.... the other two guys are short....... (:lol:) Oh, in my dreams.....

Id like to see them ride a moto gp bike with no electronic aids

[scrivy]

Id like to see them ride a moto gp bike with no electronic aids

Kev did a great job on the Manx Norton though...... :banana:

Electric aides on modern GP stuff has ruined it for me - its akin to racing slotcar sets. I liked the switches of the 2 strokes. To me that showed the real skilled riders.

[CHOPPA]

Kev did a great job on the Manx Norton though...... :banana:

Electric aides on modern GP stuff has ruined it for me - its akin to racing slotcar sets. I liked the switches of the 2 strokes. To me that showed the real skilled riders.

The riders certainly werent any more skilled, they were just riding bikes with less potential. Which equals more excitement because the riders had to ride the bikes over the limit of the bike, now the limit of the bike is much higher. The level of the riders has not dropped.

Rossi waxed all those skilled riders on 2 strokes 500gp bikes

[CHOPPA]

My S1000 has all those rider aides and I have only ridden modern style bikes. Im up for a challenge if anyone has a 500gp bike for me to ride??

[Deano]

My S1000 has all those rider aides and I have only ridden modern style bikes. Im up for a challenge if anyone has a 500gp bike for me to ride??

Well played mate....I'd be happy for a go on a 250GP bike.

[shoutout]

What about getting some more top riders out here. Not just from Aussie either. Oceania riders, UK, America etc...
Yes it costs money, but then you have something better to promote, and get more bums on seats.

I was gunna fork out some good coin to get Schwantz here back in '09 for the TRRS and endurance race. Would have been great for spectators, and I could have chucked the money back at the competitors at the next event.

ShoutOut Events has some top international riders coming out in December 14/15 to race at Powerbuilt Tools raceway

Davide Gozzini #2 World Championship
Andrea Occhini #9 World Championship
Marcel Van Drunen #1 Dutch & European Championship
Bernd Heimer #1 World Championship
Beau Laing #1 Australian Championship
Marco Troyli Effetti Racing
Alexis Marie-Luce #1 USA Championship
Thomas Charreyre #1 World Championship (Current Champion)
Devon Vermeulen #1 Dutch & European Champion (Current & only 17yrs old!!) rode a couple of rounds world champs last year and gained a 1st Is riding worlds this year.

Alexis and Thomas are the only two who haven’t confirmed yet.

[jellywrestler]

ShoutOut Events has some top international riders coming out in December 14/15 to race at Powerbuilt Tools raceway

Davide Gozzini #2 World Championship
Andrea Occhini #9 World Championship
Marcel Van Drunen #1 Dutch & European Championship
Bernd Heimer #1 World Championship
Beau Laing #1 Australian Championship
Marco Troyli Effetti Racing
Alexis Marie-Luce #1 USA Championship
Thomas Charreyre #1 World Championship (Current Champion)
Devon Vermeulen #1 Dutch & European Champion (Current & only 17yrs old!!) rode a couple of rounds world champs last year and gained a 1st Is riding worlds this year.

Alexis and Thomas are the only two who haven’t confirmed yet.
your forgot Biggles!

[SWERVE]

ShoutOut Events has some top international riders coming out in December 14/15 to race at Powerbuilt Tools raceway

Davide Gozzini #2 World Championship
Andrea Occhini #9 World Championship
Marcel Van Drunen #1 Dutch & European Championship
Bernd Heimer #1 World Championship
Beau Laing #1 Australian Championship
Marco Troyli Effetti Racing
Alexis Marie-Luce #1 USA Championship
Thomas Charreyre #1 World Championship (Current Champion)
Devon Vermeulen #1 Dutch & European Champion (Current & only 17yrs old!!) rode a couple of rounds world champs last year and gained a 1st Is riding worlds this year.

Alexis and Thomas are the only two who haven’t confirmed yet.

Thats a pretty impressive line so far Dean. Lets hope some of the KB " keyboard warriors" come and support this............. Tui. Dont forget to keep pushing the motard masterclass too..we have a bike lined up for Bailie just gotta get it to start when its cold.....(tempermental italians!)

[shoutout]

Thats a pretty impressive line so far Dean. Lets hope some of the KB " keyboard warriors" come and support this............. Tui. Dont forget to keep pushing the motard masterclass too..we have a bike lined up for Bailie just gotta get it to start when its cold.....(tempermental italians!)

Sounds good, i hope to see some more riders coming to play after national rounds, and numbers building for 15/16 March Drift day racing..

[RobGassit]

http://www.facebook.com/ShoutoutEvents :banana:

[roogazza]

What about getting some more top riders out here. Not just from Aussie either. Oceania riders, UK, America etc...
Yes it costs money, but then you have something better to promote, and get more bums on seats.

How did the Marlboro Series actually start, can anyone shed a light on that for us,maybe Billy ?
I thought maybe Coleman brought Hennen out in the beginning ?
Maybe the world cash crisis would make this a bad time to promote something like that, together with the state of NZ.
That's the idea though Scrivy.

[jellywrestler]

How did the Marlboro Series actually start, can anyone shed a light on that for us,maybe Billy ?
I thought maybe Coleman brought Hennen out in the beginning ?
Maybe the world cash crisis would make this a bad time to promote something like that, together with the state of NZ.
That's the idea though Scrivy.

ron grant came out in 1969 in 1970 it was a rothmans sponsored meeting so the bigger name malboro came in and bought the whole damn thing.
next year we can do it easier as with plane package cigarettes we wont even need to put up banners etc

how many people flocked to the races a couple of years back when Bruce Anstey came over to ride?

[scrivy]

Jelly Wrestling?? (And I don't mean Spyda....)

[roogazza]

ron grant came out in 1969 in 1970 it was a rothmans sponsored meeting so the bigger name malboro came in and bought the whole damn thing.
next year we can do it easier as with plane package cigarettes we wont even need to put up banners etc

how many people flocked to the races a couple of years back when Bruce Anstey came over to ride?
I don't know the answer to that last one and I wonder if bringing out our ex champs would be that appealing to a newer crowd ?
I mean Marlboro was up to the minute whizz kids and I know we loved that. Certainly stunters would work.
It's such a different era now and it would be a brave man putting his money up (and lots more of it now) to gamble on it working.

ps I chuckled at the plain package comment, as I'm starting to feel like a lepper when I ask 'counterjumpers' to open the containers from Hell to purchase my cigars.

[roogazza]

jelly wrestling?? (and i don't mean spyda....)

chicks ! 279513

Is one of them trying to open a bottle of Mayo to stick on the pizza ?

[MIXONE]

ps I chuckled at the plain package comment, as I'm starting to feel like a lepper when I ask 'counteer jumpers' to open the containers from Hell to purchase my cigars.

Us "counter jumpers" actually get in the shit if we open the smoke cabinet door to wide and customers can actually see in!
Fucking bullshit pc world.:mad:

[MIXONE]

Sorry back on topic.
All ladies race where the competitors have to do the warm up lap naked then to start the race have to put all their gear on before starting the bike.A bit like a Le Mans start.Le Womens maybe?
It would have to be run during the lunch hour though because we all know how long it takes the average women to get ready.;)

[Stirts]

Sorry back on topic.
All ladies race where the competitors have to do the warm up lap naked then to start the race have to put all their gear on before starting the bike.A bit like a Le Mans start.Le Womens maybe?
It would have to be run during the lunch hour though because we all know how long it takes the average women to get ready.;)

A "Qualifying Round" might be required...

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[merv]

My S1000 has all those rider aides and I have only ridden modern style bikes. Im up for a challenge if anyone has a 500gp bike for me to ride??

Look Chop, you weren't meant to tell him to steal the bike for ya http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Mar/130307a.htm or was he just getting it for crasher's collection? Why would they worry when its only valued at $4.5 mil?

[Kickaha]

A "Qualifying Round" might be required...

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Fucking hell you've packed some wieght on since I saw you at Wangas

[scrivy]

Fucking hell you've packed some wieght on since I saw you at Wangas

I'll hold you down , and she can sit on ya face..............

[RobGassit]

I'll hold you down , and she can sit on ya face..............

He won't need to be held down.

[scrivy]

He won't need to be held down.

Well, there is that.....
Judging by the size of Kick......................:lol:

[Deano]

That's just nasty !

[sidecar bob]

That's just nasty !

Oh the irony.

[Stirts]

Fucking hell you've packed some wieght on since I saw you at Wangas

I'll have you know I have lost a bit since then...my kini bottoms disentergrated under the pressure.


I'll hold you down , and she can sit on ya face..............

Only so I can anally ingest the pie that seems to be a permanent fixture on his face.

[gripper]

Judging by the size of Kick......................:lol:

oh, you like big cock then?

[nodrog]

oh, you like big cock then?

Are you cruising for a piece of man arse?

Wanna root?