Terrorism protests

[Patrick]

Why isn't there a protest against these protests?:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[Pussy]

No-one is brave enough to take on Te Qaeda

[pritch]

No-one is brave enough to take on Te Qaeda

Te Qaeda? Love it!

[scumdog]

I heard a comment on Kerre Woodham tonight about how broken-arsed most of the marchers were.

Bad teeth, overweight, having to use walking sticks etc

The person reckoned it looked like a march to Lourdes!! (sp) mwahahahaha!

[scumdog]

No-one is brave enough to take on Te Qaeda

All both of them??:lol::lol::lol:

[BuFfY]

Yeah I have been following this quite a bit, and it is blimmin' scary. Read this...Article
(http://www.stuff.co.nz/4272184a10.html) it talks all about everything that went down.

Quotes from bugs (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4272185a25364.html) that were put in various different cars, houses etc.

Some quotes for those who don't click the link
Suspect tells another it would be good to kill Pakeha to get trainees used to killing. Also suggests making their own tracer ammunition and using tungsten projectiles to go through a "cop vest" and through "his f...... mate".
Bug in vehicle, recorded April 6, 2007.

"Get someone to assassinate the prime minister, the new one, next year's one. Just been in office five days, bang ... Yeah. John Key ... just drop a bomb ... Just wait till he visits somewhere and just blow them ... They won't even find you."
Two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

It amazes me that they wouldn't release this information, and that with this information they still went on their hikoi. Hiding their faces, and hating the white people. grrrrrr

[Meanie]

Wouldnt it be nice to be just a kiwi, not a pakeha or a maori, and leave all this shit behind us.
Bloody scary though to think this sort of thing is happening right in our back door, I just hope they are all piss and wind

[Grahameeboy]

Wouldnt it be nice to be just a kiwi, not a pakeha or a maori, and leave all this shit behind us.
Bloody scary though to think this sort of thing is happening right in our back door, I just hope they are all piss and wind

Or a Londoner, Chinese, Japanese, Malayasian................

Agree though........

[nadroj]

Why isn't there a protest against these protests?:jerry::jerry::jerry:

They are in effect protesting against themselfs with the tactics they are using, and manner in which they are demonstrating .

[Maha]

Yeah yeah na its good to see the level of unemployment of the Move!

[NighthawkNZ]

No-one is brave enough to take on Te Qaeda

ok thats is actually funny :lol:

[Finn]

Oh dear, the natives are getting unruly.

[Mikkel]

Oh dear, the natives are getting unruly.

Nothing Hernan Cortes couldn't have sorted out in hurry... Oh, that's true we got human rights these days.:sweatdrop


As for making a counter protest. If a protest is stupid enough, making a counter protest would be even more stupid. I think almost everyone already see it for what it is...

[Paul in NZ]

I was thinking about this last night... I was pretty pissed off at the shit I was seeing and hearing - then I thought - christ, these guys are for real - it was like watching some amazonian lost tribe encountering a TV crew or something..

Seriously, perhaps these clowns are like from a lost world or something - they genuinely believe they have a real grievance and that 'we' owe them.. They simply have no idea how the world works... Some of the shit they so is so childlike its a bit scary.

Our problem is - we can't believe these places and people even exist in a modern country.

Perhaps a bit of strategic regional economic development might be the longer term solution?

[MSTRS]

Perhaps a bit of strategic regional economic development might be the longer term solution?

Arbeit Macht Frei???

[RantyDave]

Perhaps a bit of strategic regional economic development might be the longer term solution?
You what? They're practising blowing people up and you think a "strategic regional economic development" might be a good idea. Unless that's PC speak for "burn their houses and throw the cunts in the sea" then, respectfully, I shall have to disagree.

Dave

[marty]

Why isn't there a protest against these protests?


Because we've all got jobs to go to instead?

[MisterD]

WINZ - supporting marches to parliament since....

[Finn]

Well it seems Hulens little social engineering experiment on the Maori's has backfired somewhat. But will NZers learn from this? Probably not.

While these good for nothing monkeys don't represent the general Maori population, it's still a major embarrassment for NZ... and Maori people.

Question: So how can an assassination of the leader of the opposition not be an act of terrorism?

[Beemer]

If they didn't want people to think they were terrorists, why did many of them dress in camouflage clothing and wear Palestinian-style headwear (think tea towels)? As for the salutes... give me a break!

They went through Levin the other day and by all accounts they were looked at with contempt. As for their actions while in Palmerston North - if it LOOKS like a terrorist, SMELLS like a terrorist and ACTS like a terrorist, then in my books it IS a bloody terrorist. Or pure scum, haven't made up my mind yet.

[Finn]

If they didn't want people to think they were terrorists, why did many of them dress in camouflage clothing and wear Palestinian-style headwear (think tea towels)? As for the salutes... give me a break!

I laughed at the Palestinian head gear. Maybe when all of this is over, we can relocate them all to a "Strip" up North called the "Gizza".

[nodrog]

.... if it LOOKS like a terrorist, SMELLS like a terrorist and ACTS like a terrorist, then in my books it IS a bloody terrorist. Or pure scum, haven't made up my mind yet.

surely this doesnt look like a terrorist??

[Finn]

surely this doesnt look like a terrorist??

That's a big piece of fried chicken he has there.

[Swoop]

That's a big piece of fried chicken he has there.
My bad. I thought it was a kumara.

[Finn]

My bad. I thought it was a kumara.

Sweeet potato dude.

[Mr Merde]

surely this doesnt look like a terrorist??

No just someone ashamed of his/her face or paranoid that their ACC or WINZ case officer may actually see them mobile and active.

[marty]

what these fucking idiots don't realise, is that if they tried to hikoi from basra to baghdad, 1/2 a dozen car bombs would have seriously depleted their numbers by now.

they really have no idea.

winz should stop their benefits immediately. i don't see anyone actively looking for a job in this bunch of try-hard losers.

[Finn]

No just someone ashamed of his/her face or paranoid that their ACC or WINZ case officer may actually see them mobile and active.

Or maybe it is a WINZ or ACC case officer. Probably their CEO.

[FlangMasterJ]

That's a big piece of fried chicken he has there.

It's a jandal.

[Swoop]

This terrorism jaunt is quite successfully diverting attention from labours' other ineptitudes.
Quite well timed.

[Mikkel]

It's a jandal.

Actually, it an uber fearsome wooden club (can't remember the name of them) but I do think that the proper terrorists with their AK-47s are a bit envious...

[jrandom]

Actually, it an uber fearsome wooden club (can't remember the name of them)...

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patu):

A patu is a short-handled Māori club made of bone, stone or wood.

There are three types of patu: mere, meremere, and kotiate.

The word Patu is also commonly used in New Zealand, primarily by young Maori, to describe something which is broken, or substandard.

[SwanTiger]

So how can an assassination of the leader of the opposition not be an act of terrorism?

Because the publication of those transcripts were used out of context by the Dominion Post, giving the perception of a serious intention to cause harm to the leader of the opposition.

When the Solicitor General reviewed all the applicable evidence, in context, he evidently came to the conclusion that there was not enough proof of intention.

Anyway, I am disgusting by those monkeys.

[Paul in NZ]

You what? They're practising blowing people up and you think a "strategic regional economic development" might be a good idea. Unless that's PC speak for "burn their houses and throw the cunts in the sea" then, respectfully, I shall have to disagree.

Dave

Nah - thats not these guys - these are the loons that were stressed by the 'invasion'... The dumb yokels that tame Iti found he could impress with his magic latern shows..

Nothing like elevating people to the middle classes to dampen down the fires of revolt - once people have something to loose - the loose the desire to risk it all.. ;-)

[MisterD]

Because the publication of those transcripts were used out of context by the Dominion Post, giving the perception of a serious intention to cause harm to the leader of the opposition.

True, I'm sure you could pull quotes off KB that spliced together in the right way would look like a good justification to raid SpankMe's house...but the published evidence was only from the affidavit to the court to obtain search warrants, we haven't been told what those searches actually found.

[sels1]

Perhaps a bit of strategic regional economic development might be the longer term solution?

This is a good and wise suggestion...but it would have to be made pretty attractive to compete with receiving a benefit for doing F all, and getting cash growing and trading cannabis and other dodgy activities

[SPman]

Because the publication of those transcripts were used out of context by the Dominion Post, giving the perception of a serious intention to cause harm to the leader of the opposition.

When the Solicitor General reviewed all the applicable evidence, in context, he evidently came to the conclusion that there was not enough proof of intention.

sorry to cut and paste, but.....


If this material had been revealed in court, the defence could have properly tested it and cross-examined the witnesses. That right has now been denied to them, as they cannot respond for fear of prejudicing their case on the remaining charges. The effect will be to establish "facts" in the public mind (and thus of potential jurors) which have not been properly tested - "facts" which are highly contentious and could have a significant bearing in a case which is ultimately about the purpose for which firearms were being used (http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/10/unlawful-posession.html). It’s all the worse when you consider that in an effort to avoid prosecution, the Dominion-Post has anonymised the evidence. While on the one hand this seems to avoid some of the worst features of trial by media, the net effect is to lose any distinction between the accused, and tar them all with the same brush. According to Campbell Live, the number of people recorded making dangerous and violent statements was five - but now all seventeen defendants get to be smeared with the extremist views of Jamie Lockett (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10470129).

[Mr Merde]

Actually, it an uber fearsome wooden club (can't remember the name of them) but I do think that the proper terrorists with their AK-47s are a bit envious...

So no problems with the metal detectors when they finally enter the 21st century then?

[Mikkel]

So no problems with the metal detectors when they finally enter the 21st century then?

True, but I think people might start getting an idea about what's going to happen as they fire up the haka.

Besides - these days the door to the cockpits are locked and they'd need a rather solid log in order to batter it open. As such I rate the likelyhood of anyone capturing a plane with a patus rather slight.

[SwanTiger]

True, I'm sure you could pull quotes off KB that spliced together in the right way would look like a good justification to raid SpankMe's house...but the published evidence was only from the affidavit to the court to obtain search warrants, we haven't been told what those searches actually found.

Obivously those searches revealed nothing compeling enough to validate any of the charges under the new Terrorism act.

Step back for a minute and look at all of the responses to this thread, then consider the feelings and thoughts of the general population.

What does it make you feel?

What does it make you think?

I believe, your feelings become your thoughts and your thoughts become your words and your words become your actions.

Now consider this, who in the political spectrum would most benefit from my actions?

[Finn]

Now consider this, who in the political spectrum would most benefit from my actions?

So the protesters are National supporters?

[SwanTiger]

So the protesters are National supporters?

They'll support anyone that will show sympathy to their cause, they're attention whores with no purpose.

They've acheived nothing except to enforce the existing general populations opinion, wasted a shit load of gas travelling down there, and quite a few I presume, have the worst chaffering imaginable.

[007XY]

Wouldnt it be nice to be just a kiwi, not a pakeha or a maori, and leave all this shit behind us.
Bloody scary though to think this sort of thing is happening right in our back door, I just hope they are all piss and wind

I'm with ya.. we've got such a great country and we should be working together.. it's ironic because that's exactly what the 'real' Treaty of Waitangi is all about.. "the United Chiefs and tribes and all the people of New Zealand".. and funny it makes no mention of seabeds.. and forests that did'nt exist in 1840. When I say 'real' I'm reffering to the true final draft of 4/2/1840 and the subsequent translation into Maori that was actually signed!! not the notes and rough drafts of 2/2/1840, 3/2/1840. The final draft is also known as the 'Littlewood treaty' as it was in the hands of the Littlewood family for 150 years. A very interesting site.. http://www.celticnz.co.nz/

PS.. by signing the 'treaty' Moari gave their sovereignty to the crown of England.. now by flying a flag and claiming they don't recognise the crown.. would that be treason?

[MisterD]

Obivously those searches revealed nothing compeling enough to validate any of the charges under the new Terrorism act.


...and the solicitor general was quite clear in blaming the act for that state or affairs, and not the police or the evidence they presented.

[BuFfY]

PS.. by signing the 'treaty' Moari gave their sovereignty to the crown of England.. now by flying a flag and claiming they don't recognise the crown.. would that be treason?

Yeah I was thinking that as well, but can they still try someone for treason?

[Magua]

Yeah I was thinking that as well, but can they still try someone for treason?

I think the treason law is being reviewed after the man who flung an axe into Helen Clark's electorate office was charged with it?

[avgas]

don't know why we have a terrorism law in NZ. Real terrorist wouldn't have given up so pathetically.

[RantyDave]

Re: PaulInNZ's suggestion of a "strategic regional something or other"


This is a good and wise suggestion...but it would have to be made pretty attractive to compete with receiving a benefit for doing F all, and getting cash growing and trading cannabis and other dodgy activities

And, just like that, Sels has it nailed. Legalize weed and give these fuckers something to do for a legitimate living.

Dave

[Finn]

Real terrorist wouldn't have given up so pathetically.

The Maori terrorists have a few flaws, the primary one being that over the years the warrior gene has been diluted with Colonel Sanders 11 herbs and spices rendering them unfit for battle.

[scumdog]

The Maori terrorists have a few flaws, the primary one being that over the years the warrior gene has been diluted with Colonel Sanders 11 herbs and spices rendering them unfit for battle.

And not to forget a great genetic propensity for in-fighting too.

[007XY]

thats a good point, I'll have to look into that.. could be a landmark case!!

[007XY]

Yeah I was thinking that as well, but can they still try someone for treason?

thats a good point, I'll have to look into that.. could be a landmark case..

[scumdog]

surely this doesnt look like a terrorist??

No, more like a sad, dreaming loser....

[MotoGirl]

surely this doesnt look like a terrorist??


Seriously. Those protestors all need to go on Queer Eye if they want to look like proper terrorists!

[Patrick]

these good for nothings don't represent the general Maori population, it's still a major embarrassment for NZ... and Maori people.


Which is what I am meaning. How many Maori in NZ???? 200 - 300 show up for the spiiting contest in Wellington..... a huge minority of that Maori population. The silent majority could protest against these idjits and not be called racist.


If they didn't want people to think they were terrorists, why did many of them dress in camouflage clothing and wear Palestinian-style headwear (think tea towels)? As for the salutes... give me a break!

They went through Levin the other day and by all accounts they were looked at with contempt. As for their actions while in Palmerston North - if it LOOKS like a terrorist, SMELLS like a terrorist and ACTS like a terrorist, then in my books it IS a bloody terrorist. Or pure scum, haven't made up my mind yet.

That is what a protest against them should also do... look upon these idjits with utter contempt and treat them the same....


When the Solicitor General reviewed all the applicable evidence, in context, he evidently came to the conclusion that there was not enough proof of intention.

No.. The CT Act itself was unworkable and a prosecution could not result..... He praised the Police concerns and response and from the evidence he saw, he had concerns too.

Those rounded up are facing firearms charges under the Arms Act only now as a result. The warrants were obtained under the Arms Act as well as other acts.


we haven't been told what those searches actually found.

You were lucky to get what has been presented so far. As a result, the charges may not get off the ground due to trial by media (although that doesn't stop the media from trashing the Police at every opportunity... some good press for a change is a blessing).


...and the solicitor general was quite clear in blaming the act for that state or affairs, and not the police or the evidence they presented.

Sure did. He was "seriously concerned" over what he saw.


I think the treason law is being reviewed after the man who flung an axe into Helen Clark's electorate office was charged with it?

Nope. Think they looked at it, but stuck to simple wilful damage only, Summary Offences Act, minor rats and mice charge.

[007XY]

They are in effect protesting against themselfs with the tactics they are using, and manner in which they are demonstrating .

At the risk of stating the obvious..This Tama iti is just a sh*t stirrer and not well liked among the Maori population.. more of an embarrassment!! A few years ago I was in a jetboat race on the Whakatane river.. Tama iti and a couple of hangers on:stupid: were protesting us, as usual the local Maori were quite happy for the racing and put on a lunchtime BBQ at the top of the river selling sausages etc and made a few bucks.. :niceone:

[darkwolf]

My mum (born in Scotland) lived in Rhodesia and South Africa until she was 16 years old. She had to leave when Ian Smith basically handed power over to the Africans. Mum said 5 years ago that NZ will end up going the same way as Rhodesia. Men with guns running around and turning a peaceful, beautiful country into a war zone, with little or no resistance to their actions. And recently mentioned that this is where it starts. I don't know about you guys but I also happen to agree. I've never been so glad to be a Brit ( kinda don't know what else to say I am - Scottish blood/ English born). I really don't see NZ doing anything to prevent this division that has been growing for years. And what's worse is that I can see NZ's government "giving in" and "handing NZ back". Maybe it's about time that our politicians looked back in history and learned something from other countries mistakes.

Don't get me wrong - understand that the Maori's feel they got a raw deal, but they have to stop expecting reparations for it. What was done, has been done. What they get now in the ways of special treatment is wrong. Most of us would probably like to give back everything that we did wrong. And in return most of us would like to take back the things that we brought to this country - including things like colds etc. But it would be impossible to do. And people who use the almost catchphrase of "Give us back our muskets & blankets and we'll give you back the land" Or "We'll give you back your land but we'll take back our hospitals, WINZ etc" need to let it go. We CAN'T. We can't undo what happened, we can't make reparations for what happened, and we can't make a deal that allows for inflation to make it right. As a country we need to GET OVER IT.

Anyway rave over. I just get so pissed off with people who only look at it from one side. We tell the world "One nation, one land, one people" but we love nothing more than separating into pakeha/maori/import(like me - Britain's finest :niceone:).

[Meanie]

My mum (born in Scotland) lived in Rhodesia and South Africa until she was 16 years old. She had to leave when Ian Smith basically handed power over to the Africans. Mum said 5 years ago that NZ will end up going the same way as Rhodesia. Men with guns running around and turning a peaceful, beautiful country into a war zone, with little or no resistance to their actions. And recently mentioned that this is where it starts. I don't know about you guys but I also happen to agree. I've never been so glad to be a Brit ( kinda don't know what else to say I am - Scottish blood/ English born). I really don't see NZ doing anything to prevent this division that has been growing for years. And what's worse is that I can see NZ's government "giving in" and "handing NZ back". Maybe it's about time that our politicians looked back in history and learned something from other countries mistakes.

Don't get me wrong - understand that the Maori's feel they got a raw deal, but they have to stop expecting reparations for it. What was done, has been done. What they get now in the ways of special treatment is wrong. Most of us would probably like to give back everything that we did wrong. And in return most of us would like to take back the things that we brought to this country - including things like colds etc. But it would be impossible to do. And people who use the almost catchphrase of "Give us back our muskets & blankets and we'll give you back the land" Or "We'll give you back your land but we'll take back our hospitals, WINZ etc" need to let it go. We CAN'T. We can't undo what happened, we can't make reparations for what happened, and we can't make a deal that allows for inflation to make it right. As a country we need to GET OVER IT.

Anyway rave over. I just get so pissed off with people who only look at it from one side. We tell the world "One nation, one land, one people" but we love nothing more than separating into pakeha/maori/import(like me - Britain's finest :niceone:).

Well said mate
Like i said earlier the sooner we call ourselves Kiwis, irrespective of colouur and race the better off we will all be
Fuck the race issue, we all eat, root, shit and die so lets get on with enjoying what short life we have in this awesome country

[Finn]

Police "Terror" Evidence Online

I heard that an organisation calling themselves NZ Civil Liberties Union has posted an online copy of the 155 page Police file on the “terror” suspects as a pdf.

If you know how to "google" in NZ, it might be interesting. I heard the text messages are quite funny.

[Ixion]

Bad Finn. Bad bad bad. If there were such an organisation as the "New Zealand Civil Liberties Union" (don't abbreviate, it causes confusion), and if such an org anisation had posted such a document it would be most improper and a breach of all sorts of laws. Jolly good thing you didn't post a link to the org.

I'm quite sure that no-one hear wants to know anything about this. No indeed. And to use Google to try to find this "New Zealand Civil Liberties Union" would be very wrong, and probably illegal.:whistle: The Thought Police will be calling on you soon, I think. Don't do this, children.

[Usarka]

coz not bro. chur.

[Sanx]

No that I'd know about this of course, but anyone else find it amusing that the text messages are all in English, not Te Reo?

[Finn]

Bad Finn. Bad bad bad. If there were such an organisation as the "New Zealand Civil Liberties Union" (don't abbreviate, it causes confusion), and if such an org anisation had posted such a document it would be most improper and a breach of all sorts of laws. Jolly good thing you didn't post a link to the org.

And when Helen's Men In Black arrived to arrest me and confiscate my PC, there was a HUGE fight. It took eight of them to hold me down. Pepper spray, Tazer and punches to the head. There was no way I was going let go of all my porn without a good fight.

[avgas]

And when Helen's Men In Black arrived to arrest me and confiscate my PC, there was a HUGE fight. It took eight of them to hold me down. Pepper spray, Tazer and punches to the head. There was no way I was going let go of all my porn without a good fight.
Wow, how did you get such strong grip! ;)

[Dargor]

No indeed. And to use Google to try to find this "New Zealand Civil Liberties Union" would be very wrong, and probably illegal.:whistle: The Thought Police will be calling on you soon, I think. Don't do this, children.
Please dont go into politics. We dont need your kind making laws.

As for the site in question there seems to be no evidence for its clames. However stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4297098a10.html) reports that the site has been taken down.