Fired/removed

[FROSTY]

It is with great regret that I must report I have been fired as a moderator on this web site.
Being perfectly clear here the decision was not mine nor made by SpankMe
KB has been a big part of my life for several years.
It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.
I must add that this is not the message sent to me by the senior mod team as has been alluded to but a pm sent 24 hours earlier giving a pretty clear ultimatum -and asking a decision to be made between two moderating personel.
Due to the fact it contravenes the rules of the site I cannot post the discussions on a public forum however I am more than happy to give my permission for said PM to be made public knowledge
Im genuinely sorry folks and again the decision wasn't mine but was made for me

[sunhuntin]

bugger. after everything youve done on the racing side of things for this site, its very surprising.

[Str8 Jacket]

Gee, Karma really is a motherfucka. Ah well.

[Paul in NZ]

Eh? Far out - you mean we had voting rights?? wadda ya talkin about?

[Mom]

It is with great regret that I must report I have been fired as a moderator on this web site.
Being perfectly clear here the decision was not mine nor made by SpankMe
KB has been a big part of my life for several years.
It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.
Due to the fact it contravenes the rules of the site I cannot post the discussions on a public forum
Im genuinely sorry folks and again the decision wasn't mine but was made for me

Piss take surely?????????

[chanceyy]

always two sides to a story :whistle:

[Joni]

always two sides to a story :whistle:Yes there is 100%~

However that aside Frosty... no one has ever told you that you are not welcome on this site, ever!

[scumdog]

Tell 'em to get fucked Frosty..:angry2:

[Str8 Jacket]

Tell 'em to get fucked Frosty..:angry2:

Its about time someone told him (Frosty) to really.....

[scumdog]

Its about time someone told him (Frosty) to really.....

Elucidate please..:wait:

[Littleman]

You know Tony that your mechanical/racing/riding experience is held in high regard by me and Rachel(Whitebelt).

We will back you over any advice from other people.

Obviously not privy to the politics, however it ain't politics that gets one around corners.

Greg and Rachel. XXX

[oldrider]

Its about time someone told him (Frosty) to really.....

Are you still pissed? That post is confusing! With utmost :love: and affection, John.

[Str8 Jacket]

Are you still pissed? That post is confusing! With utmost :love: and affection, John.

Yes, but for personal reasons I dislike him and that is all I have to say on the matter.

[JimO]

Tell 'em to get fucked Frosty..:angry2:

what he said

[laRIKin]

What the hell is happening to this site?

[chanceyy]

Agree 100%....I would like to say I look forward to hearing the "other" side of the story but doubt they will have the balls to front. Oh hang on the controller of the site dont have balls!

hmm the controllers of the site have balls but also have dignity .. & therefore called not airing dirty laundry out for all the masses to take sides I believe .. bit like a wee tiff between freinds/lovers .. throw the toys outta the cot & have ya wee temper tanty but move on

[The Stranger]

Yes there is 100%~



I really don't think a little transparency would hurt though Joni.
It isn't the first time we see this kind of post and can't help but wonder what the hell is going on when well respected people are resigning or getting shoved.

[deanohit]

Sorry to hear that Frosty.
Hope ya stick around mate.

[Jantar]

Frosty is banned cause he does not want to play GOD with the other moderators well not all of them think they are gods but when the master plan is complete the GODs will rule the world all the non players will be out.


PS im not a moderator so read this quick before the empire strikes back

Frosty has NOT been banned.

[chanceyy]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA ......... Dignity!!!!! I dont think so and we all know who I am refferring to - just one mad controller.

mad controller .. where ?? & then if ya dunna like the rules & over 90% have no problem with them ... why are you still here ??


Frosty is banned cause he does not want to play GOD with the other moderators well not all of them think they are gods but when the master plan is complete the GODs will rule the world all the non players will be out.


PS im not a moderator so read this quick before the empire strikes back

GOD .. omg .. I didn't know being GOD came with the job .. well whew cause no GOD here ..

hmm quite new to this mod stuff of course .. interesting .. with the membership around 8,800 only a dozen or two feel that rules do not apply to them ..

but then Spank is the ultimate GOD .. we pleebs just try to follow the rules ... pity a few hardcore membership can not follow them too huh :2guns:

[Warr]

Sorry to hear that Frosty.
Hope ya stick around mate.
What he said too.... Will give you more time to be out on the road :)

[skidMark]

well thats one hell of a shock, your a big part of the kb community tony...so no more taupo kb trackdays i assume then?:blank:

[Grahameeboy]

I really don't think a little transparency would hurt though Joni.
It isn't the first time we see this kind of post and can't help but wonder what the hell is going on when well respected people are resigning or getting shoved.

I tend to agree Noel..................I think we are entitled to explanations regardless of whether we help the site financially.

[crashe]

Moderators: Is it anything to do with this thread that SpankMe started and that Frosty's term as a moderator is now up?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=56764
Smod Term of Office.........



Frosty stick around and continue your track days and your help with riders out there that need your help.

[Maha]

Neah I think we talking bikes tonight

Yeah and the fact that FROSTY was just a Mod....not a Smod

[chanceyy]

GOD is for earth
Star Wars is for the universe! :banana:


And stop touching yourself you make the neighbors horny

ohhh I stand corrected .. thought GOD was the universe .. oh bugger deluded again :Pokey:

hmm only neighbours are the horses & I doubt they will get sex-cited :laugh:

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah and the fact that FROSTY was just a Mod....not a Doms

Delays Onset of Mod Sillyness

[jafar]

I think there is something wrong if you have to worry about post counts...

I personally don't care about the post counts @ all, it's not like we can convert them to flybuys or petrol vouchers.
The reasons given for changing the postcounts were crazy, what does it matter that someone posts more in rant & rave than in a technical part of the site ??
Sure some are here for technical stuff , but the social side of this site has been given a kick in the teeth by the change in the seniority rules , rules that were changed without notice or any debate on the subject that I am aware of.

[Maha]

Tomorrow the sun will rise and I will go for a ride on my boike. And tomorrow Joni will still be here being the controller of all things KB.


We are going to FROSTY's tomorrow to let him have a look at the Yamaha's choke.....wanna come?

[Virago]

...but the social side of this site has been given a kick in the teeth by the change in the seniority rules , rules that were changed without notice or any debate on the subject that I am aware of.

What on earth are you on about...?

[enigma51]

Why am I still here? Well fuck knows to be honest after a raction like that from a Mod. I have spent shit loads of my personal time helping organise Track Days for the pleasure of fellow KBers with Frosty.


Yeah but im still pissed off that you did not want to put me and my GN in the slow group

[enigma51]

What on earth are you on about...?

Cant you read :bye:

[Delphinus]

What on earth are you on about...?

Seconded.
I cant see anything wrong with any normal respectful posting that goes on.

[Littleman]

We are going to FROSTY's tomorrow to let him have a look at the Yamaha's choke.....wanna come?

when and where?

[MadDuck]

We are going to FROSTY's tomorrow to let him have a look at the Yamaha's choke.....wanna come?

Hell yeah! That choke sure does need some looking at by someone that knows suomething about bikes :gob:

[enigma51]

when and where?

FROSTIES TOMORROW


jeeez people!

[Jantar]

Please keep on topic. There are a number of posts that are bordering on being infracted for moving off topic, or even close to abusive.

[Mom]

when and where?

FROSTY has kindly offered to have a look at my choke cable for me. Will be heading down to his work in the am, do you want to tag along too? You be welcome.

[MadDuck]

FROSTIES TOMORROW


jeeez people!

Hey NOT YOU. You are testing the GN250 for the race team at Puke tomorrow

[MadDuck]

Please keep on topic. There are a number of posts that are bordering on being infracted for moving off topic, or even close to abusive.

Can you please provide us with an example of what you mean? Its kind of getting a bit blurred these days

[enigma51]

Hey NOT YOU. You are testing the GN250 for the race team at Puke tomorrow

Neah to fast for the others not fun when you out in front


Know for something on topic

Dont worry frosty its only a charity job or do the moderators get paid?

[enigma51]

Please keep on topic. There are a number of posts that are bordering on being infracted for moving off topic, or even close to abusive.

NOT AN INFRACTION!

[Qkkid]

We are going to FROSTY's tomorrow to let him have a look at the Yamaha's choke.....wanna come?

Maybe while you are there you can read Frostys private emails from certain people and then you might get a clearer understanding of what really happens behind the scenes:buggerd: There is alot more to this than meets the eye.
Frosty was a guy that had the time of the day for anyone and would drop anything at a moments notice for anyone, Lend his car a true biker who cared about people.Shame on the people involved or should i say person, pity we cant say the same for those who wanna hurt the site thats about kiwibikers not moderators :(
I know alot more about this but cant be bothered with the crap that ya get for putting peoples dirty laundry out for all to read. so we can really see the real truth.He was a great moderator who believed if its not broken dont fix it type of moderating.
Dawn and myself :hug: we will miss you Tony ,hope we will see you around on our ATNR Because this is what Kiwibiker is all about. Another sad day for kiwibiker

[Mom]

Maybe while you are there you can read Frostys private emails from certain people and then you might get a clearer understanding of what really happens behind the scenes:buggerd: There is alot more to this than meets the eye.



No mate, FROSTY has too much integreity to share shit like that. That is actually what made him a good Moderator. The technical forums were his domain, and he kept all crap out of them and made sure that the advice in there was safe to be relied on. No doubt the real reason why this has happened will become known in the fullness of time, I am not about to compromise him by asking.

[Qkkid]

No mate, FROSTY has too much integreity to share shit like that. That is actually what made him a good Moderator. The technical forums were his domain, and he kept all crap out of them and made sure that the advice in there was safe to be relied on. No doubt the real reason why this has happened will become known in the fullness of time, I am not about to compromise him by asking.

The truth has gone around like wild fire you dont need it posted on kiwi biker the people involved know deep down.

[Kickaha]

It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.

You're being very economical with the truth there Tony and there was no suggestion made in that pm at all that you are not welcome on this site


Agree 100%....I would like to say I look forward to hearing the "other" side of the story but doubt they will have the balls to front. Oh hang on the controller of the site dont have balls!

Nothing to do with not having the "balls" I sent Tony the pm and explained why and it isn't up for public discussion



well thats one hell of a shock, your a big part of the kb community tony...so no more taupo kb trackdays i assume then?:blank:

His trackdays were run independantly of his former status as a moderator so there is no reason they shouldn't continue


Moderators: Is it anything to do with this thread that SpankMe started and that Frosty's term as a moderator is now up?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=56764
Smod Term of Office.........

Frosty stick around and continue your track days and your help with riders out there that need your help.

It has nothing to do with that and he is quite welcome to continue to offer his help here and use the site to run his track days

[Littleman]

FROSTY has kindly offered to have a look at my choke cable for me. Will be heading down to his work in the am, do you want to tag along too? You be welcome.

A.M sounds good. Shall meet you all there. (hes a good cunt)

[Kickaha]

bring back frosty. who the fuck is going to give any half decent technical advice?.

There is nothing stopping him from still giving technical advice

[nodrog]

There is nothing stopping him from still giving technical advice

would you want to give any sort of advice if you were in his position? if you get fired from a job do you still go back and help out the staff even though your boss is a cunt?

[Qkkid]

So answer this Question for all to understand .The site is about people bikers particulary ,who are the ones .....making the decision to get rid of Moderators and be honest with your answer Kickaha.
Sounds to me like someone got screwed over or put in a corner that they didnt really wanted to be put in.

[scumdog]

Is this the MadDuck and enigma51 'ridicule-and-be-negative-about-everything' thread??:bye:

[Kickaha]

who are the ones .....making the decision to get rid of Moderators and be honest with your answer Kickaha.


The senior moderators,Myself and Cajun get the final call, Joni is able to make a recommendation, but myself and Cajun can do it without her approval

[Littleman]

It is with great regret that I must report I have been fired as a moderator on this web site.
Being perfectly clear here the decision was not mine nor made by SpankMe
KB has been a big part of my life for several years.
It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.
Due to the fact it contravenes the rules of the site I cannot post the discussions on a public forum
Im genuinely sorry folks and again the decision wasn't mine but was made for me

I have never found anything you have said misleading or spitefull. Ever. You are a good bastard. And in the face of KB one of the few good cunts who are only selfishly preoccupied in the result of others... how dare you!!!


Shall see you the Mahas on Saturday,, /xxxxx

[Ixion]

I'm sorry to hear it but I'm not at all surprised. Welcome to the (large, and growing all the time) club.

The Heaven Born have their own agenda, and anyone who doesn't toe their party line will be removed .

Power corrupts, and the lust for power is the greatest corruption of all

The mantra of the Heaven Born is "Fit in or Fuck Off". Mr Frosty is the latest who didn't fit in and was therefore officially fucked off.

[Toaster]

Is this the MadDuck and enigma51 'ridicule-and-be-negative-about-everything' thread??:bye:

Agreed.

This website is, from what I understand, the property of SpankMe and is not a democracy. It certainly isn't a club either from my observations - it is a website forum for bikers. It has rules and regulations and the Mods have to manage that as best they can.

I think some "members" forget their place in telling the mods what they should or should not be doing. Recommendations yes, but rude remarks and dribbly negative posts are just childish and pathetic.

[Ixion]

There is nothing stopping him from still giving technical advice
So, would you really expect that you would kick someone in the teeth, make it plain to them that the presence is unwelcome on the site, and then expect them to enthisiastically contribute to it? You must know some real hard core masochists.

[Paul in NZ]

Oh please... Real life is way more complicated...

Tony has done me a few good turns and Joni and Kick have enjoyed our hospitality as well and are the real deal good people. Spank has opened his wallet and his heart - I wish I could fill half his undies.

In my life, I've been denighed 3 times before the cock crows and woken up in hospital when I thought my bros had my back..... Fuck them...

We live we die we make decisions

Ultimately - we decide WHO

Stop bitching - its demeaning

[James Deuce]

There'll be a lot of background nastiness going on as well.

People suck, life sucks, shit happens.

It's not worth getting your knickers in a twist about who is or isn't a mod on an Internet forum.

Nor is there anything to be gained in pinning your own sense of self worth on a medium that for all intents and purposes has absolutely no value to 90% of the people using it. The motto of the forum dweller seems to be, "It's only the Internet you sook".

Stop slowing down to look at the accident and move on, you skulking rubberneckers.

[Ixion]

You're being very economical with the truth there Tony and there was no suggestion made in that pm at all that you are not welcome on this site


Yes. I've seen such PMs . "We hate your guts and we'd be over the moon if you pissed off completely and we're sure you'd be much happier on another site, and anything you DO post we'll infract to high heaven until we do manage to force you out. But , of course , you're still welcome on the site. ". Yeah, right.



His trackdays were run independantly of his former status as a moderator so there is no reason they shouldn't continue

has nothing to do with that and he is quite welcome to continue to offer his help here and use the site to run his track days


What sort of derogatory crap is that ? "His" trackdays ? Who in hell thinks that Mr Frosty runs them for his own benefit?

The track days are something that he's has put an enormous amount of his own time and money into solely for the benefit of New Zealand bikers. He gets nothing whatsoever himself out of them

I've never seen ANYTHING that the Heaven Born do to contribute to New Zealand biking. They are totally uninterested in helping novice riders. They certainly are not the people who put their hand up to help when someone's broken down or crashed . When bikers are stepping up to the plate to defend biking against the onslaughts of the bureaucrats they are conspicuously absent. So it's a bit rich for those who have done nothing for NZ biking to slag off someone who has over and over done his share and a good sight more.

[ManDownUnder]

What sort of derogatory crap is that ? "His" trackdays ? Who in hell thinks that Mr Frosty runs them for his own benefit?


To be fair Ixion... I didn't read that into it at all - I think you're over-reacting.



The track days are something that he's has put an enormous amount of his own time and money into solely for the benefit of New Zealand bikers. He gets nothing whatsoever himself out of them

Now that I agree with.

General comment.

I also hasten to add that I'm not too keen on the us vs the Mod thing that's nicely developed over time. If you don't like it don't sign on. All online communities (all communities for that matter) evolve over time, the old hands want it the way it was, new blood looks at the way it was just as we look and laugh at how our parents danced.

This place is was it is... not what it was, not what it will be.

No biggy... and as I say... if it's not fun to be here, people are always ready to leave.

Sing along anyone?
"On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair..."

[justsomeguy]

Nor is there anything to be gained in pinning your own sense of self worth on a medium that for all intents and purposes has absolutely no value to 90% of the people using it. The motto of the forum dweller seems to be, "It's only the Internet you sook".

Stop slowing down to look at the accident and move on, you skulking rubberneckers.

You and me too seem to spend less and less time here, maybe something clicked. For others this site is a major part of their life, they have done a lot to make it more popular, they don't deserve such treatment.

[justsomeguy]

General comment.

I also hasten to add that I'm not too keen on the us vs the Mod thing that's nicely developed over time. If you don't like it don't sign on. All online communities (all communities for that matter) evolve over time, the old hands want it the way it was, new blood looks at the way it was just as we look and laugh at how our parents danced.

This place is was it is... not what it was, not what it will be.

No biggy... and as I say... if it's not fun to be here, people are always ready to leave.

Sing along anyone?
"On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair..."

Is that the long version of "fit in or fuck off"?

[Kickaha]

Yes. I've seen such PMs . "We hate your guts and we'd be over the moon if you pissed off completely and we're sure you'd be much happier on another site, and anything you DO post we'll infract to high heaven until we do manage to force you out. But , of course , you're still welcome on the site. ". Yeah, right.

The pm I sent certainly didn't resemble anything along those lines.


What sort of derogatory crap is that ? "His" trackdays ? Who in hell thinks that Mr Frosty runs them for his own benefit?

Stop trying to to make those words something that they aren't, if you wish to think they were derogatory crap then carry on as you were, but can you please point out where I said they were run for his own benefit?.

And perhaps you better have a go at those below as well, I can dig out a heap more if you like



Frosty stick around and continue your track days and your help with riders out there that need your help.


Hi Frosty. Thanks indeed for your efforts. I have always assumed that I was uninsured on the track, but when I read out your comments to a representative of my insurer (AMI), they seemed comfortable with the organisation of your track day. .



I am awaiting final confirmation that Frosty Track Days will be covered



I've never seen ANYTHING that the Heaven Born do to contribute to New Zealand biking. They are totally uninterested in helping novice riders. They certainly are not the people who put their hand up to help when someone's broken down or crashed . When bikers are stepping up to the plate to defend biking against the onslaughts of the bureaucrats they are conspicuously absent. So it's a bit rich for those who have done nothing for NZ biking to slag off someone who has over and over done his share and a good sight more.

Just because you don't personally see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but you think what you will.

[justsomeguy]

Just because you don't personally see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but you think what you will.

Uhmm, could you please point me in the direction of someone who has seen "it". Your mum and best friend don't count as witnesses ok......

---------------------------------------------

They are KB trackdays for all KB'ers. But Frosty/Doug/Madduck/Death/White Thrash do all the work - so people call them his trackdays. Feeling rather pedantic are we?

If you don't like being a mod you can go sniff the warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air. Up ahead in the distance, if you see a shimmering light? Your head may grow heavy and sight grow dim, you may have to stop for the night.

[spudchucka]

Hmmm, something festers in Middle Earth me thinks.

[ManDownUnder]

Is that the long version of "fit in or fuck off"?

Yup - combined with something about mountains and molehills. I'm on KB for the friends I've made on here. I'm less and less in here for the technical stuff ... just the way it goes. No big deal.

I lost... 4 or 5 thousand posts I think... something about me not being technical in here.

...ok....

I'm no less of a motorcyclist or member of KB. First and foremost I'm me.

What I see in this thread is also change - something happened such that Frosty is no longer a mod. I literally know nothing more than than, and it's only my business insofar as Frosty or anyone else involved wants my input or help with it. I'm here as always, but have no need to wade into the middle of somethign that's actually nothing directly to do with me.

Why should I?

Frosty has rightly made a good number of friends in here. He's a top top man and I'll be the first to say so.

So the "fit in or fuck off" approach is more or less right... it needs a lot more qualification than that, but yeah... it's the basis of what I said.

[justsomeguy]

Yup - combined with something about mountains and molehills. I'm on KB for the friends I've made on here. I'm less and less in here for the technical stuff ... just the way it goes. No big deal.

I lost... 4 or 5 thousand posts I think... something about me not being technical in here.

...ok....

I'm no less of a motorcyclist or member of KB. First and foremost I'm me.

What I see in this thread is also change - something happened such that Frosty is no longer a mod. I literally know nothing more than than, and it's only my business insofar as Frosty or anyone else involved wants my input or help with it. I'm here as always, but have no need to wade into the middle of somethign that's actually nothing directly to do with me.

Why should I?

Frosty has rightly made a good number of friends in here. He's a top top man and I'll be the first to say so.

So the "fit in or fuck off" approach is more or less right... it needs a lot more qualification than that, but yeah... it's the basis of what I said.

Excellent post. You too are a top man, still remember your kind words when I had the "I said I caused a crash" incident and the way you treated other KB'ers who have been given grief here. See, your actions tell us all what you are. So fitting in or fucking off to what you say is pretty acceptable to anyone with a logical mind.

Fitting in or fucking off for the heck of it, it baffles me? But then I was never the smartest person....

Anyway, the sun's coming out, heard there is a Coro Loop ride on. You guys going on it have fun.

I've got to go off and mind my own business, have a superb weekend N.

[The Stranger]

You're being very economical with the truth there Tony and there was no suggestion made in that pm at all that you are not welcome on this site


Perhaps, however at times it can really feel that way when you find yourself in both an unreasonable and untenable situation. The term constructive dismissal is used in an employment situation.



His trackdays were run independantly of his former status as a moderator so there is no reason they shouldn't continue



It has nothing to do with that and he is quite welcome to continue to offer his help here and use the site to run his track days


There is nothing stopping him from still giving technical advice


Yes, but will he be inclined to? One day you may find yourself in a similar situation. You give generously and unreservedly of your time and advice and labours, you have earned the respect of your peers (note I said earned, not demanded) then you recieve a kick in the teeth. Kinda dulls your enthusiasm and makes you question if it is really all worth while don't it?
Who could blame Frosty if he did withdraw this stuff? No one, so who then?

[Grahameeboy]

the new site name is JB [jonis bikers] here comes the infracksions

Or Joni's Bike?.............just teasing Joni............

[Grahameeboy]

And despite all this the score is still 0 - 0 (HT)

[laRIKin]

[COLOR=#ff0000]KB was and still is a great place to be, I don't see why you have to ruin it with what seems like ridiculous bureaucracy.


Spank, what's happening here?

I agree.
Just because you have the power to do something.
Because it is not quite right, does not mean you have to.

Take a chill pill.
This it not a Court of Law here.
And you do not have to follow the letter of the law/rules.
It's a bike forum and will drift about and go OT from time to time.
So what?

If we only talked about bikes, like one forum I look at the post count would be down to less than a 100.
Most of the time less than 20.

Is that what you want?

[justsomeguy]

the new site name is JB [jonis bikers] here comes the infracksions

Oye come on now. I like Joni...:oi-grr:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Oye come on now. I like Joni...:oi-grr:

your not sucking up now are you

[boomer]

Or Joni's Bike?.............just teasing Joni............

Thats just plain SILLY.. we all KNOW Joni doesn't own a bike.



I'm orf to do the Coro GP... later!

[justsomeguy]

your not sucking up now are you

Always liked her since I met her in 2004.

Jantar you pile of vile bile where's my infraction bitch? OOOhhhhh I'm scared.....:confused:

[Grahameeboy]

Thats just plain SILLY.. we all KNOW Joni doesn't own a bike.



I'm orf to do the Coro GP... later!

They don't call ya bullet for nuffin Boomer

Enjoy the Coro.............loverly day out there, would come but have Nats and banned from Steve's rides..............

[justsomeguy]

I'm orf to do the Coro GP... later!

It's not a race ya MUG. Just come home to me tonight in one piece ok.... :love:

[Grahameeboy]

It's not a race ya MUG. Just come home to me tonight in one piece ok.... :love:

Now where did I put the pot..............:done:

[Qkkid]

FIRST IXION

NOW FROSTY

BOTH THESE PEOPLE HAVE HELPED MANY, MANY KB'ERS MANY, MANY TIMES. BOTH ONLINE AND IN THE REAL WORLD. THANKS TO THEM KB'ERS HAVE LEARNT TO RIDE BIKES BETTER, LEARN HOW TO REPAIR AND CONDUCT BASIC BIKE MAINTENANCE. THEY ALSO ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, EMOTIONALLY SENSITIVE PEOPLE WHO AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY MEAN WELL.

Jantar and Kickhaha what have you two ever done for KB? That is an actual, not rhetorical, question by the way. Are you able to give me and a lot of curious people an answer? I'm curious, as from my years on KB all I know about you two is well, nothing really. No you both don't owe me or anyone an explanation. All I'm saying is that in a world where actions speak louder than words your actions are rather silent.

KB was and still is a great place to be, I don't see why you have to ruin it with what seems like ridiculous bureaucracy. This isn't said in reference to this thread but the general mod behaviour that has been displayed over the last few months.

Be nice to see you all in person one day and see what you are like in person.


Jantar, Kickhaha, Chanceyy and Str8jacket - I hope you have some real reasons for making a guy as nice as Frosty feel the way he does.

Spank, what's happening here?

What about SPman very leveled headed guy :niceone: he was a moderator to.
It seems once you get booted as a moderator your opinion is suddenly bias and your not telling the truth:msn-wink: why is this???
I will answer the question Its because of a few site rules that say we dont really want everyone knowing the truth we want it left to speculation. ie cant post pms blah blah blah your abusing a moderator if you give a opinion.
It seems alot of power and i am sorry to say power corrupts when its made by so few people.
:oi-grr:The fact that such big decisions are made by so few moderators is questionable ie Cajun and Kickaha come on sounds a bit like a hung court to people:eek: I think there is alot of Joni influence:msn-wink:
So where are our Auckland moderators not counting Cajun asa he seems to be just doing as he is told by the top brass. There is a massive group of Auckland kbers and yet we dont have anyone now.......... I know this by how many people do the ATNR and socilise every thurs nite at Bar Africa. It seems to be that every decision is done through Chsistchurch.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

i beleave wee need a protest ride to the powers that would be to show our serport against injustic

[ManDownUnder]

i beleave wee need a protest ride to the powers that would be to show our serport against injustic

Make it a virtual one! I mean it's an online community after all...

I could invite all my imaginary friends too! :crazy::clap:. I might be able to wheelie the RF too. Maybe a 2nd life ride!

[justsomeguy]

What about SPman very leveled headed guy :niceone: he was a moderator to.
It seems once you get booted as a moderator your opinion is suddenly bias and your not telling the truth:msn-wink: why is this???
I will answer the question Its because of a few site rules that say we dont really want everyone knowing the truth we want it left to speculation. ie cant post pms blah blah blah your abusing a moderator if you give a opinion.
It seems alot of power and i am sorry to say power corrupts when its made by so few people.
:oi-grr:The fact that such big decisions are made by so few moderators is questionable ie Cajun and Kickaha come on sounds a bit like a hung court to people:eek: I think there is alot of Joni influence:msn-wink:

I dunno what's happening, I just know I don't like it.

I guess the mods must be banning heaps of threads cos I personally don't see more drivel here now than I did 4 years ago. Back then jungle law and Spanks God like ability to mediate would sort issues out. Back then....

Ahmad: Back in the day (remix)

Chorus:
Back in the days when I was young I'm not a kid anymore
But some days I sit and wish I was a kid again
Back in the days when I was young I'm not a kid anymore
But some days I sit and wish I was a kid again
(and everybody say) (I remember way back when)
(and everybody say) (I remember way back when)
(and everybody say) (I remember way back when)
(what?) (back in the day) (when?) (back in the day)



Yup, I think we have way too many rules...

SPMAN wasn't that level headed - he rode a FZR750 with a lot of pink on it...always talked good sense though.

[DEATH_INC.]

This is bullshit.
Maybe we don't NEED to know what's behind this decision, but a bit of common courtesy goes a long way towards making this a nicer place to hang out.
Frosty has a lot of friends here, and we'd like to know whether or not his sacking is something to be pissed about. By not telling us it just raises animosity that isn't needed.
If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?

[Mom]

This is bullshit.
If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?

I agree. Site rules prevent any private messages/discussions from being broadcast without the authors permission so I doubt that FROSTY will share unless allowed to by the Smods. The Smods will not give permission because they dont need to justify their "joint" decision.

Take it or leave it is what we must do. Bullshit indeed!

[justsomeguy]

If something (someone) ain't broke I don't see why it needs fixing. Especially if that something (someone) brings so much good will with the work it does.

[Grahameeboy]

No. I detest injustice. I've opposed it and fought against it all my life, and it will always twist my y-fronts. And doubly so when it involves motorcycling.

Is that injustice in general or just how you see it.

[Nicksta]

i'm starting to get a little demoralised......
but then, who needs a new survivor series on tv when you have KB!

i always thought an online forum was open to anyone as long as the stuck to the site rules in their posts and PM's..... its things like this that doesnt encourage you to participate in something you like to and definately doenst encourage any future mods to step up when/if asked.... obviously we dont know whats going on behind the scenes but its all a little strange to someone that just likes an online biker forum to share and learn knowledge about a common interest.....

[Jorja]

No I guess not ,but there will be SPORTSBIKE.CO.NZ trackdays !!!!!!!!!

signed
Quasi
4 Year Veteran and holder of 10 infraction points, cause Im a Bad Mutha Fucker:devil2:

Already suggested it to him.

[Colapop]

Can I have a quick summary of the thread thus far (apart from Frosty being fired)? I can't be fucked reading the whole thing...

[Stickchick]

Frosty, I may have only met you a couple of times but this seriously sucks. You have done so much for Kiwibiker, i.e. with your track days etc and also helping fellow bikers out whereever and whenever you can...i.e. jrandom. Being a mod or not to me you will always be "frosty" KB legend

[Mr Merde]

What do i say? Not sure really.

Frosty, I dont think I have ever met you but I have a great ammount of respect for what you have done and said.

Personally you made me very proud to be associated with this board when, as a result of an accident, my bike was off the road. You offered me help and assistance down to the offer of a loaner bike. You dont know how much that was appreciated and how much it restored some of my faith in bikers. This faith in the biking spirit I have been a part of for 36 years.

I've been on this board now for a couple of years in two personas. In that time I have seen this sort of treatment become more and more prevalent. It saddens me. I am a very quiet and personal person (in real life) and have come to look upon a few of the members of this board a real friends, dont say it is sad as its just the "internet". in the days before such there was a thing called "PEN PALS" and the interaction between coorespondants was just the same only less of a real time activity.

I log onto this board everyday and leave it running all day. Why because my job is dealing with these damm machines for 8 hours a day and it gives me somethng different to deal with other than users. I have found that I am skipping about 95% of the content as it doesnt mentally stimulate or entertain me or even educate me. Over the past couple of years I have noticed a decline in the number of bikers I would describe as characters. The ones who were passionate about bikes (our chosen common interest), the ones who loved a good arguement, the ones who would call a spade a spade. This site has become sanitised. Its lowering itself to the malignant disease of Political Correctness and in my opinion is the worse off for it.

I'll continue to watch, I'll interject occasionally but I cant see myself initiating any more posts or engaging in any real and meaningfiul discussions any more.

The lunatics have taken over the assylum.


Merde.

[MSTRS]

Perhaps, however at times it can really feel that way when you find yourself in both an unreasonable and untenable situation. The term constructive dismissal is used in an employment situation.
[Frosty can still help out]
Yes, but will he be inclined to? One day you may find yourself in a similar situation. You give generously and unreservedly of your time and advice and labours, you have earned the respect of your peers (note I said earned, not demanded) then you recieve a kick in the teeth. Kinda dulls your enthusiasm and makes you question if it is really all worth while don't it?
Who could blame Frosty if he did withdraw this stuff? No one, so who then?If I could name any biker who would do anything for anyone, it would be Frosty. Proof of action will always trump words...


This is bullshit.
Maybe we don't NEED to know what's behind this decision, but a bit of common courtesy goes a long way towards making this a nicer place to hang out.
Frosty has a lot of friends here, and we'd like to know whether or not his sacking is something to be pissed about. By not telling us it just raises animosity that isn't needed.
If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?
Astute post

I agree. Site rules prevent any private messages/discussions from being broadcast without the authors permission so I doubt that FROSTY will share unless allowed to by the Smods. The Smods will not give permission because they dont need to justify their "joint" decision.

Take it or leave it is what we must do. Bullshit indeed!Easy to hide behind the Privacy Act, isn't it?


If something (someone) ain't broke I don't see why it needs fixing. Especially if that something (someone) brings so much good will with the work it does.
And change for change's sake is equally bad.

We know however that the content of the PM is such that the Heaven Born dare not let it become public knowledge (perhaps less for the content itself as for the situation it would expose ?). That says much in itself. Conduct that cannot bear the light of day is seldom honourable.+1


Frosty, I may have only met you a couple of times but this seriously sucks. You have done so much for Kiwibiker, i.e. with your track days etc and also helping fellow bikers out whereever and whenever you can...i.e. jrandom. Being a mod or not to me you will always be "frosty" KB legend
Frosty is the face and main driving force behind these trackdays, he does it for the love of motorcycling and bringing opportunities to other KBers. Note that he ALWAYS calls them Kiwibiker Trackday #... If he makes a little coin out of it, so what, it's small recompense for all he does for anyone who asks

What do i say?
The lunatics have taken over the assylum.


That covers it

[Hawkeye]

Over the past couple of years I have noticed a decline in the number of bikers I would describe as characters. The ones who were passionate about bikes (our chosen common interest), the ones who loved a good argument, the ones who would call a spade a spade. This site has become sanitised. Its lowering itself to the malignant disease of Political Correctness and in my opinion is the worse off for it.

I'll continue to watch, I'll interject occasionally but I cant see myself initiating any more posts or engaging in any real and meaningful discussions any more.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.


Merde.

100% agree with you Merde. My visits to this site are getting further and further apart. Now it is generally to check the Calendar to see if there is anything organised.

I for one have better things to do with my time. Wading through all of the dross on here is becoming too much of a effort. In the last couple of weeks we have lost a couple of people on here who IMHO did add value (Frosty and BuckBuck1).

I know where people generally meet/ride so will just turn up. If they are there then great. If not, I'm quite happy to go for a blast by myself. I have mates who I just need to ring and will be there. I don't NEED my KB fix anymore.

[scumdog]

:shit:Soooo, lemme see if I got this right after reading the above few posts: Frosty got the heave-ho because he was not P.C. enough?

[Kittyhawk]

Make it a virtual one! I mean it's an online community after all...

I could invite all my imaginary friends too! :crazy::clap:. I might be able to wheelie the RF too. Maybe a 2nd life ride!

I'll bring Toby he will support! hahahha. Wheeling the RF...may I have 10 mins privacy with it.... :drool: LOL

Ok I've read the thread...its erm....well...there are two sides to every story. I make no conclusions on this. Something happend for a reason what it was who cares. Frosty knows who his friends are....And Im sure he's made enough life long biker mates because of who he is as a person.

He's got respect from alot of members on here because of his passion for biking, will help anyone, and take newbies under his wing.

When things start getting political, the passion slowly dies...and hate sets in. I hope this isnt the case. A true biker will always keep riding.

I dont want to know the details behind whats happend. I'd much rather be out riding with friends enjoying fun times having laughs look at the positive not negative...and remember this is just the internet! Its supposed to be about the online biker community there will be disputes, personalities clash...so what? You are behind your screen....you can just switch the pc off and walk away...so technicially it could be a perfect world but shesh it'd be too boring.

Life is too short to worry about this.

Frosty and his family will always be friends of mine, they have never done anything to turn me agasint them.
Like most on here :)

[yungatart]

How very sad that this site may lose someone of Frosty's calibre, because of some issue that we are not privy to.
The fact that the mods will not publicly state what happened to cause this only increases feelings of "us" vs "them" for lots of people.
As others have said, some transperancy would be invaluable right now.
There are not two sides to a story, there are three.....his, theirs, and the truth! I, for one, would like to know what that is.
Far too many good people are becoming disillusioned with KB lately and leaving.
I don't see too many stepping up to fill their shoes....
Frosty, I hope that we will still see you around
Respect, man, you deserve it!

[Kittyhawk]

Very true, bout the third side to the story....

Maybe this is what the mods want "Them" and "us" Would it make them better bikers on the roads than us? I'd like to see them out do some of my biking skills if that were the case..

Carver and Sidewinder...check out their profile...Im surprised their riding position pics didnt get censored!! Hmm no nudity...just a bloody good laugh.

When I first joined it was alot of laughs and hell of alot of fun online...why? cos its just online lol....but now that Dover, Winja etc are gone...its not the same.

[MVnut]

Ey Frosty, I think you've been real hard done by, but today is a new day, so I'll go a bit off topic. TRUST, yeah I trust you 100%.......RESPECT, yeah the utmost.................obviously a LOT of people on this site feel the same. Just to cheer ya up (& maybe piss off some others) next time you're down here let's dig out some exotic old Euros and have some fun riding (that's what life's all about).......or maybe some exotic Jappas as well........ and then there's always the newer bikes hehehe:Punk::sunny: Friends will always be there for ya !!

[Reckless]

I only have one thing to say. FIGHT FOR HIM!!.

I haven't been here that long but I totally agree with the comments about the site changing for the worse and being far less a of a laugh, And this has been said quite a few times over the last year!!! Ever since SpankMe gave over the power! I now mainly hang out in the Off road thread, its just not as funny anymore on the other threads.

And if KB is not a Democracy why hasn't SpankMe stepped in??

The least someone could do is tell us what the fuck is going on! This seems like a pile of shit and the general Joe blow biker can't be bothered with this crap and will just drift off to a happier place, and not come back to KB.

Getting back to the above. I haven't ever met Frosty or been to any of his track days but if this is a decision made by a few against the wishes of the many.
All those who have been the benefit of his hard work and know him need to FIGHT FOR HIM!!.
Start a poll, PM the shit out of the mods, complain to Spank, do a protest ride!! I dunno how! I haven't been here long enough.
But most of the latest posts have been goodbye posts and that's just rolling over and dying!!

Its up to you guys that have attended his track days, benefited from his advice or have met him!!

Rant over!

[Disco Dan]

Core blimey.... :crazy:

[RT527]

How very sad that this site may lose someone of Frosty's calibre, because of some issue that we are not privy to.
The fact that the mods will not publicly state what happened to cause this only increases feelings of "us" vs "them" for lots of people.
As others have said, some transperancy would be invaluable right now.
There are not two sides to a story, there are three.....his, theirs, and the truth! I, for one, would like to know what that is.
Far too many good people are becoming disillusioned with KB lately and leaving.
I don't see too many stepping up to fill their shoes....
Frosty, I hope that we will still see you around
Respect, man, you deserve it!

Between 2 or more people where there is a problem ,.. we need to ask ok thats the problem...now What is the REAL problem?

Being a mod is hard ...being an all round bloody good Guy takes time, remember that part of frosty will never die.

[Kiwifire72]

Frosty For PRESIDENT

[MVnut]

Frosty For PRESIDENT

Seems like we have had a real Kangaroo Court. None of the Mods have said much so basically this is about a personal attack started by one person against one other person. How the f%$k is this anything to do with KB. By staying quiet you Mods look like you're running for cover hoping this will all blow over in a day or two. WRONG !!!! For a start, surely one of a Mod's jobs is to explain their actions where necessary, and another would be to confine their action re site members to 'Site Stuff Only'. Maybe we need some new Mods :cool:

[MSTRS]

Maybe we need some new Mods

Well, one or two, anyway

[nadroj]

Well, one or two, anyway

HXC for mod

[Colapop]

What is the criteria for becoming a mod? What are the rules for mods (are they different to normal forum users)? Who decides who becomes a mod (then who polices mods)?Is there a term that a mod serves?

[FROSTY]

folks please lets cool it hu?

[sunhuntin]

HXC for mod

+1....................

[El Dopa]

:shit:Soooo, lemme see if I got this right after reading the above few posts: Frosty got the heave-ho because he was not P.C. enough?

No. From where I'm standing, it seems that Frosty has been 'constructively dismissed' because he had a disagreement with management.

Personal view: The mods do a very difficult job under what must at times be extremely trying circumstances. The probable reason there aren't more of them is because it's a bitch of a job. And not one I'd like to try my hand at. There have been more than a few arseholes over the last year or so who have merrily overstepped boundaries again and again and again....

Having said that, it seems that 'siege mentality'/'you're with us or against us' has well and truly set in.

As with all of these things, there needs to be a bit of give and take. Scummy, from what I can tell from your posts you probably enforce the law within the context of what you know about the local area and faces, and use your judgement on who gets let off with a warning, and who gets the bitch-slapping. Someone with 'form' is going to get looked at a lot more closely than someone from the local area who is squeaky clean, does a lot of charity work, etc.

You don't rigidly enforce all the letters, of all the laws, all the time.

Some of the guys who have been 'banned' from this site I couldn't give a shit about. Never met them, never want to meet them.

In contrast, Frosty has done a lot for a lot of people on this site both on the site and in the real world. A helluva lot. i personally owe him big time. As do a lot of Auckland folk.

Effectively banning Frosty (making him unwelcome/whatever/I'm not interested in splitting hairs) has really gobsmacked me. He is exactly the sort of person that a site like this needs more of, ferchissake. Him getting the boot is really making me wonder if those whinging about the mods have a point after all.

I personally find it very telling that a lot of the posts that were removed in this thread (presumably by mods), but which have been quoted by someone else later on, contain nothing that I would consider to be abusive or against the rules.

[Mom]

No. From where I'm standing, it seems that Frosty has been 'constructively dismissed' because he had a disagreement with management.

Him getting the boot is really making me wonder if those whinging about the mods have a point after all.


Interesting point of view. Whinging about Mods is par for the course when something like this rears its head unfortunately. Personally I find the whole us against the Mods somewhat boring and pointless. I have had occasion to contact a Mod in the past and have nothing bad to say about the feedback/action/lack of action. We do have rules that have been set, that must be adhered to, I believe that accepting them is part of the registration process anyway, so no use complaining after the fact!


BUT!!!! These rules are not enforced with an even hand. If I was to beef about anything on this site it is the hypocricy surrounding how the rules are policed and enforced!!!!


I believe it boils down to personalities in the long run.

[325rocket]

wow its all so political here these days. If I remember correctly this site was once about bikes.
Frosty if you do read this, I went to your last track day and learnt a shit load. Who knows, what I learnt that day may have already saved me on the road. You seem like a top bugger mate. Hopefully you’ll keep the track days going but that’s not what its all about.
Just wanted to say thanks

[Swoop]

So where are our Auckland moderators not counting Cajun asa he seems to be just doing as he is told by the top brass. There is a massive group of Auckland kbers and yet we dont have anyone now.......... I know this by how many people do the ATNR and socilise every thurs nite at Bar Africa. It seems to be that every decision is done through Chsistchurch.
Glad to see that someone else has seen this!

Note that he ALWAYS calls them Kiwibiker Trackday #... If he makes a little coin out of it, so what, it's small recompense for all he does for anyone who asks
If he makes any money from it, I'm sure the hourly rate would be something like $0.25c per hour spent on organisation of the event. Good on him!

Him getting the boot is really making me wonder if those whinging about the mods have a point after all.

I personally find it very telling that a lot of the posts that were removed in this thread (presumably by mods),
Nobody else can "sanitise" a thread.


Spank. Time to stand down ALL moderators.
The experiment has failed.

[El Dopa]

Interesting point of view. Whinging about Mods is par for the course when something like this rears its head unfortunately. Personally I find the whole us against the Mods somewhat boring and pointless.

Up until now, I have dismissed 99.9% of the whinging about mods out of hand. Because I know they have volunteered to do a shitty, shitty job and dealing with arseholes who have no manners is not easy.

However, I know Frosty and I know how much he has done for me as a newbie, and would do for me or anyone else without second thought.

He doesn't have an ounce of malice in him (OK, maybe a pinch, but just for flavour).

It makes me wonder....

[Mom]

wow its all so political here these days. If I remember correctly this site was once about bikes.
Frosty if you do read this, I went to your last track day and learnt a shit load. Who knows, what I learnt that day may have already saved me on the road. You seem like a top bugger mate. Hopefully you’ll keep the track days going but that’s not what its all about.
Just wanted to say thanks

Just bear in mind that we have to mind our PPP's & QQQ's a bit mate, specially at times like this......does not take long to get in the shit, trust me. This site is about bikes, most certainly it is. KB has evolved though from a purely technical forum to a place that bikers of all walks of life can share knowledge, talk shit and take the piss (nicely of course :devil2:).

[MSTRS]

Spank. Time to stand down ALL moderators.
The experiment has failed.

Now that is an excellent idea. KB is no different to anywhere else where checks and balances are required. But when the checkers have carte blanche for too long without the same applying to them, it is time to usher in a new palace guard. Bit like the up-coming elections really.
Problem is, who shall step up??

[The Pastor]

Ah well, now kiwibiker is a place for every R.U.B.

[westie]

You cant be serious!
The mod on this thread is removing posts before they appear.
How are we sposed to mod bash????????

[MadDuck]

I personally find it very telling that a lot of the posts that were removed in this thread (presumably by mods), but which have been quoted by someone else later on, contain nothing that I would consider to be abusive or against the rules.

In all fairness El Dopa. The discussions did get a bit heated last night and I would say 99% of my threads were put in PD and now as quoted appear out of context and a bit bitchy. Hey I am a big girl and can cope with that. Anyone that knows me will ask me what went on.

I have to say that when I see a mate treated poorly then I will react. Be it on the damn inter webby thing or in real life thats just me.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I don't get this. We had a great man in Tony. He worked hard for every member that ever wanted help. He was open honest and worked hard. So some people get new power and wave the big stick and hit Tony in the face? Is this what happened here?
I have seen Tony giving far more than most on here and that is what you do to him?

Time to start a new website I recon. If Tony is the sort of person you don't want here I recon that speaks heaps. He is a good person in my book. What are we going to call the new one Tony?

Before KB started I belonged to an American web group like this and it ended the same way. Just fell apart because people had the power and just couldn't control them selves. Well done you lot you are well on the road others have taken. It was fun for the short time it lasted but that's what happens when little people with big sticks get in to power. There are other bike groups around on the net. Take your pick and lets get one to replace this if this one can't get it's shit together.

[Kiwifire72]

I don't get this. We had a great man in Tony. He worked hard for every member that ever wanted help. He was open honest and worked hard. So some people get new power and wave the big stick and hit Tony in the face? Is this what happened here?
I have seen Tony giving far more than most on here and that is what you do to him?

Time to start a new website I recon. If Tony is the sort of person you don't want here I recon that speaks heaps. He is a good person in my book. What are we going to call the new one Tony?

Before KB started I belonged to an American web group like this and it ended the same way. Just fell apart because people had the power and just couldn't control them selves. Well done you lot you are well on the road others have taken. It was fun for the short time it lasted but that's what happens when little people with big sticks get in to power. There are other bike groups around on the net. Take your pick and lets get one to replace this if this one can't get it's shit together.

I secound that statement

[DMNTD]

Time to start a new website I recon...

Two options below...


Sportbike.co.nz (http://sportsbike.co.nz/index.php?)

Sportbike Riders Club. (http://sportbikerider.17.forumer.com/index.php)

[Mom]

Now that is an excellent idea. KB is no different to anywhere else where checks and balances are required. But when the checkers have carte blanche for too long without the same applying to them, it is time to usher in a new palace guard. Bit like the up-coming elections really.
Problem is, who shall step up??

Good question, I have an issue with someone being a "MOD" . That can create a sense of superiority in some people, sometimes this can be referred to as power crazed, up them selves, PC police and one hundred other things, most of them 10, or 20 point infractable comments.
We are all members here, including the Mods.

I think that any breach of site rules should be dealt with by "site admin"
You have received an infraction by "site admin" not "tom" or "dick" or "harry" By the same token, Moderators should be anonymous, suggestions called for and Mods chosen, on a rotating basis. I personally dont want to know who they are. That way I cant get in trouble for calling one of them a #$%*, unless my post is reported to "site admin" for moderation. Simple really, this will remove any ego from the equation, as I really hope that the rules for Moderation are as strict as the rules for site membership.

[Jorja]

Could I ask a simple question? Why have a lot of posts been removed to that red forum?
I have read them and other than one or two none are off topic.

[sunhuntin]

i would also like for them to be unknown... we would know they are there, but not where, when or who.

ive only met one, chanceyy, and though i like her, and would ride with her any day of the week, i did feel a tad tense simply due to her being a mod. i expected online lives to cross into offline, and didnt want to step out of line. i feel i would have been a whole heap more relaxed if i didnt know she was a mod.

[Jorja]

Good question, I have an issue with someone being a "MOD" . That can create a sense of superiority in some people, sometimes this can be referred to as power crazed, up them selves, PC police and one hundred other things, most of them 10, or 20 point infractable comments.
We are all members here, including the Mods.

I think that any breach of site rules should be dealt with by "site admin"
You have received an infraction by "site admin" not "tom" or "dick" or "harry" By the same token, Moderators should be anonymous, suggestions called for and Mods chosen, on a rotating basis. I personally dont want to know who they are. That way I cant get in trouble for calling one of them a #$%*, unless my post is reported to "site admin" for moderation. Simple really, this will remove any ego from the equation, as I really hope that the rules for Moderation are as strict as the rules for site membership.
Good idea that. :hug:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Aye Joni you want to make some of the PM's public or would you like a third party to do it?

[Taz]

I've often wondered why anyone would want to be a Moderator on this or any site? Probably the same thing that makes people want to be a politician.

[MadDuck]

Aye Joni you want to make some of the PM's public or would you like a third party to do it?


Damn if she dont want to do it ....I will

[AllanB]

I think I understand - the MODS ride Vespas???

[MadDuck]

I've often wondered why anyone would want to be a Moderator on this or any site? Probably the same thing that makes people want to be a politician.

There is a somewhat different defintion between a Moderator and a Dictaor and I am sure Hitcher can elaborate.

You know whats great is all my posts will be sent to PD so I can say whatever the hell I like :2thumbsup

[Kickaha]

Aye Joni you want to make some of the PM's public or would you like a third party to do it?


Damn if she dont want to do it ....I will

Before you go ahead with that I would remind you both that publishing a pm without the senders permission is a clear breach of the site rules

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed

[Mrs Busa Pete]

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed





...................YES

[sunhuntin]

...................YES

+1 from me as well.

[inlinefour]

What the hell is happening to this site?

However as I have no idea of whats happening, I guess I'll never know. Bummer Frosty, hope your other motorcycle exploits go well. Dunno if you should be expected to leave the site though. Thats a bit much?


One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed

Not sure Kickaha, I think there are many here that will say yes to that. However I'm not sure if I'd be a better person for knowing someone elses's business. Time for me to go and look for something else to do as for todays KBer effort, the only decient thread I've read was about Supermotards. I'd bugger off and go for a ride if I could, maybe others could benefit from one also?

[Jantar]

most of them 10, or 20 point infractable comments.
I know i haven't been a mod for too long but as I understand it a 10 point infraction is the highest, and is only for abuse to a mod. What is a 20 point infraction? Obviously as this is "most" of them it should be easy for you to give an example.

Most of the infractuions I've given are 2 points, but there have been a feww 8 pointers, and even the odd 10.

[Jorja]

Would you mind posting the private message being discussed Kickaha?
I understand there may be two or more private messages.
It would apear that Frosty is happy for the private message concerned to be posted.
To be clear we are refering to the private message sent to yourself, SpankMe and Cajun 24 hours before the "surprising" message was sent to Frosty.

[MadDuck]

Before you go ahead with that I would remind you both that publishing a pm without the senders permission is a clear breach of the site rules


Holy crap. What you going to do. Slap me with tar and feathers and ban me from riding a bike again? OMG !

[98tls]

Before you go ahead with that I would remind you both that publishing a pm without the senders permission is a clear breach of the site rules

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed For better or worse i believe thats the only fair thing to do really,at the end of the day being as this is the interweb the only thing we can hope for is honesty.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed

PM me the reason so I can make the call.

[inlinefour]

Hmmm, something festers in Middle Earth me thinks.

Might be a time to sit back and be quiet. I see the fan over there, just one more ingrediant needed... :shutup:

[Mom]

I think that it's painfully obvious that the answer is YES

I have seen a few (not sure how many that is but more than 3 anyway, that may be lots??????? anyhooooo) very well respected Moderators either, resign quietly, or with a bit of a Fizzz or with a HUGE BANG! since I have been a member here. I may not have a huge amount to contribute to this site in some folks eyes, but too bad.

I can not abide duplicity! Say what you mean! Make it clear! (I do to my detriment sometimes) That way we can all understand what is expected. The bar for naughtiness seems to shift like quicksand around here sometimes.

YES, lets hear what happened!

[Mom]

I know i haven't been a mod for too long but as I understand it a 10 point infraction is the highest, and is only for abuse to a mod. What is a 20 point infraction? Obviously as this is "most" of them it should be easy for you to give an example.
Most of the infractuions I've given are 2 points, but there have been a feww 8 pointers, and even the odd 10.

OK smarty pants ( hope that is not abuse of a Moderator) I just went and checked.........10 is max, that for abusing a Moderator.........sorry :crybaby:

[Jantar]

OK smarty pants ( hope that is not abuse of a Moderator) I just went and checked.........10 is max, that for abusing a Moderator.........sorry :crybaby:

No, that is not abuse. In fact I'd give you bling for the research, but I've used todays quota. :niceone:

[Swoop]

I seem to recall that a group of bikers showed up at Frostys' place and had a working bee.
All of their own initiative, when Tony was away (track day??).

I doubt that would happen to your average KB'er.

You earn a reputation like that.

[98tls]

OK smarty pants ( hope that is not abuse of a Moderator) I just went and checked.........10 is max, that for abusing a Moderator.........sorry :crybaby: Sadly when i see the system via the written word it reeks of dictatorship in a way,i fully understand there has to be moderation of sorts but for some unknown sole to be serving justice from the comfort of his living room with said justice being served based on one persons view or interpretation of anothers post seems to me anyway like playing hopscotch in a swamp or similar.Possibly just threw my last stone but what the hell.:msn-wink:

[98tls]

No, that is not abuse. In fact I'd give you bling for the research, but I've used todays quota. :niceone: now thats moderation............

:niceone:

[Ixion]

OK smarty pants ( hope that is not abuse of a Moderator) I just went and checked.........10 is max, that for abusing a Moderator.........sorry :crybaby:

Mr Spankme can and has given 20 point ones. I think, but am not certain, that the Heaven Born can also. They are for "non standard" offences. ie offending the elite.

[u4ea]

Gee, Karma really is a motherfucka. Ah well.

................ :nono:


always two sides to a story :whistle:
.................


Hmmm, something festers in Middle Earth me thinks.
....................


The truth has gone around like wild fire you dont need it posted on kiwi biker the people involved know deep down.
.................... seems so far some folk are happy keep their mouths shut but be underhanded in their attitude


Might be a time to sit back and be quiet. I see the fan over there, just one more ingrediant needed... :shutup:
....................


folks please lets cool it hu?

I always enjoy reading your posts and see how much you do for people and raceing.It seems you are being slagged for watever reason and those folk have little integrity but enjoy underhanded immature ,pathetic ways of expressing themselves .I aint perfect by a long shot but using a web site to to take personal pot shots is sad!..Rock On Frosty...:scooter::rockon:

[rainman]

Two options below...


Sportbike.co.nz (http://sportsbike.co.nz/index.php?)

Sportbike Riders Club. (http://sportbikerider.17.forumer.com/index.php)

But what about for us cruiserers then? :sniff:

[Maha]

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed


The Truth?...The whole Truth?....And nothing but the Truth?

[MadDuck]

The Truth?...The whole Truth?....And nothing but the Truth?

Aint going to happen Mr Maha. Because one side is right and one side is wrong.

[nallac]

yes, but who's :corn:

[Qkkid]

Yes lets get it out in the open warwick :shit: sounds only fair :Punk: If its not then i think a meeting in Auckland for all those interested about getting Frosty back as a moderator may have to happen :yes:this can be done on ATNR night for all those that hold this as a important Auckland showing there collectiveness on this issue.A mass email to spank maybe or maybe a petition what do you all think.

[Maha]

I feel a Fable coming on.....:baby:

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh.......

There is hardly a person on KB that in real life I have not at least half liked. Somehow - once the glowing interwebby box is on - people seem to change and suddenly they have access to every comment and throw away line ever exchanged........ As someone thats kinda - involved in this and took on the white bike of doom in an effort to try and provide some healing.... and more importantly as someone that has had all these folks sup at my table.... Heres my take...

Frosty has stayed with me - eaten at my table, stayed in my house and done me nothing but good and I would say we are 'friends' - hes an utter nutter but - well - I see a bit of me there too.... There is a standing invite - he knows that.....

Hels is a top chick - half you fags would fold up like wet tissue if you had to deal with the shit she deals with - Shes a nutter as well - but I take my hat off to her, if I had her balls the dr would be reaching for the XL sized fake ones in a week or so... She to has dined here and is welcome anytime... Again - Vicki and I would help her anytime she asked.

Kick and Joni - christ - they have been here for xmas lunch (Um - I was still pissed from breakky I remember).. These are good people and I consider them friends as well - more than KB associates - these folks, I value their advice and friendship and trust their judgement - GOOD PEOPLE!

Now - I know I'm not much of a biker and I've never got me knee down and some of you don't even like me.... (usually the ones that have met me) BUT - I'm not a terrible judge of character, you need to be at 3am in some dark part of KL when you have to pick which one of your new friends is going to take you to the hotel and which are going to rob you... In my personal opinion, these are all good people and all of them are fortunate to have such loyal friends... You all deserve some credit for that...

BUT

I'm sure that none of them ever wanted this to escalate into some kind of civil war - regardless of what you think may or may not of happened - unless you post is about building bridges or improving things - for mercies sake let this go. Please.... These are good people who are capable of presenting their case should they need to - let them..

Now - I'm about to change the air in my tyres and I'm thinking of using synthetic air but will it be ok with my resistive sparkplugs in a pre 1970 leaded gasoline cylinder head?

[Jorja]

I have a story to share.
but I think it needs to be in another thread

[Qkkid]

We would like to see what the crime is and if the moderators have over step his or her boundarys. Let kiwibiker be the judge. I think this is the only true way to see if what Frosty had done deserved this type of killing of a moderator.
After all we are talkin about a pretty special guy who i believe is worth havin as a Auckland moderator.

[Qkkid]

Well said my dear I was there for that occasion and what a night it was

[98tls]

But what about for us cruiserers then? :sniff: Sorry to say mate i really see no other option than effortless comfortable quiet boredom.;)J/K

[discotex]

The Truth?...The whole Truth?....And nothing but the Truth?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!



Seriously... I'd really like to understand why someone so well respected and devoted to KB is getting what appears to be a royal shafting.

I seem to remember another thread where the mods decided against banning certain members because their behaviour was offline therefore not relevant to KB. Does this not apply to everyone? (and that assumes Frosty actually did anything wrong to begin with)

I haven't seen Frosty doing anything on KB worth of losing his mod status. In fact all I've seen is completely to the contrary.

[Mom]

No, that is not abuse. In fact I'd give you bling for the research, but I've used todays quota. :niceone:

Pheeewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! Might have stressed out so badly I could not sleep tonight :msn-wink:


Mr Spankme can and has given 20 point ones. I think, but am not certain, that the Heaven Born can also. They are for "non standard" offences. ie offending the elite.

Was feeling a bit silly after a site search said 10 points, but I am sure there are people here that have received the odd bigger than the 10 stated max KB demerit ( I mean infraction) points. That debate can keep for another day methinks......LOL

[Jantar]

I will repeat: "Frosty has NOT been banned." Have a look: he is still posting on here, and is most welcome as a member. In fact I can't think of a better member of KB. He is simply no longer a moderator.

[Paul in NZ]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

I haven't seen Frosty doing anything on KB worth of losing his mod status. In fact all I've seen is completely to the contrary.

Which means its a mod thing - perhaps we should leave it that way eh? if frosty want support to storm the gates of power - he will ask I'm sure... Hes lucky to have such good friends - you do him much credit

[Paul in NZ]

I will repeat: "Frosty has NOT been banned." Have a look: he is still posting on here, and is most welcome as a member. In fact I can't think of a better member of KB. He is simply no longer a moderator.

Precisely!

[Ixion]

From the original post



It has been made clear to me by the person responsible by PM and by e mail that reasoned discussion is not an option and I am no longer welcolm on this site.


Technically, he is not banned. Indeed , even The Dover I think is not banned. But the distinction between being banned and having it made plain that the ruling elite of the site want you gone, consider you unwelcome, and think you should "Fuck off", is a very technical one indeed.

[rainman]

Sorry to say mate i really see no other option than effortless comfortable quiet boredom.;)J/K

Hah! Actually, you're probably right... Maybe I should buy a M109R?

Anyway, back to the topic, sorry, as you were... Wasn't there going to be an explanation forthcoming, or should I tune back in tomorrow for the next exciting episode? :)

[Jorja]

I think his absence really says it all.
I can tell you that he is very upset. Please do note I say upset not angry. I don't think I've ever seen him angry. I understand that a private message and emails sent to him made it clear that a very senior person in Kiwibiker has made it very clear to him he was not welcome on kiwibiker.That was aparently reiterated by said senior members partner stating that it was "just her opinion".Yet the missive was an official one from said very senior member.

[Qkkid]

I think his absence really says it all.
I can tell you that he is very upset. Please do note I say upset not angry. I don't think I've ever seen him angry. I understand that a private message and emails sent to him made it clear that a very senior person in Kiwibiker has made it very clear to him he was not welcome on kiwibiker.That was aparently reiterated by said senior members partner stating that it was "just her opinion".Yet the missive was an official one from said very senior member.

:eek:Your getting very warm All will be revealed

[discotex]

Which means its a mod thing - perhaps we should leave it that way eh? if frosty want support to storm the gates of power - he will ask I'm sure... Hes lucky to have such good friends - you do him much credit

Maybe. It's just that it doesn't really encourage people to contribute actively to this "community" does it? So many people are all going WTF? :shit:

If it's just a personality clash amongst the mods that fine.. Say so.

Leaving it unsaid just opens this up to speculation and rumour. Especially with some of the comments peppered here and there by certain people.

Surely the only way to heal and move on is to clear the air?

[Sollyboy]

After all we are talkin about a pretty special guy who i believe is worth havin as a Auckland moderator.


Has this turned into a west coast east coast type thing? if so can we have the blue colours cause I already got a blue hoodie

[enigma51]

Has this turned into a west coast east coast type thing? if so can we have the blue colours cause I already got a blue hoodie

West side for life

O shit dont live out west :whistle:

[Her_C4]

We would like to see what the crime is and if the moderators have over step his or her boundarys. Let kiwibiker be the judge. I think this is the only true way to see if what Frosty had done deserved this type of killing of a moderator.
After all we are talkin about a pretty special guy who i believe is worth havin as a Auckland moderator.


Lets see what his 'crime' is? Good God how inflammatory!! Who said he had committed a bloody crime??

And FFS!! An Auckland moderator?? What the hell are you people on? Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend? (Aside from the parochial arrogance portrayed by many that nothing actually exists below the Bombays?)

Pray tell us what that is, and what the hell where one lives should decide whether one can understand, support and translate the site rules to the best of their abilities?

Here’s a thought.

The moderators are not actually there for you personally and they are not answerable or responsible to you either so HTFU the lot of you. The job of the moderator is to support the rules of site as originally defined by SpankMe, and implement them as and when required.

The wolves are out and baying for blood – how bloody amusing. But no. The moderator team does not have a case to answer to – half of you are not actually taking in what has been said in previous posts but instead are jumping on an already tired bandwagon and are showing yourselves to be nothing but empty and vapid hot heads.

Grow up the lot of you. KB is not a club for christ’s sake where everything needs to be sanctioned by the great masses. If you think it should be – pack up your wee bags, dry your wee eyes and lift up your wee chins and go find another site with another set of moderators to bag.

In the words of SpankMe
(What is KB) A club? No.

KB is an online resource for NZ biker groups/individuals to do what they need to do. A central point of communication for organization, info and just talking shit. Although we have many of the trappings of a club, we will never be one. The problem I have with clubs is that they infer the inclusion of some, for the exclusion of others. KB is for anyone who is into two wheels and an engine between their legs.

For those that wish to behave in a club manner, that’s fine. We have shirts, stickers, patches and a flag to make you feel part of a group, but the site will only be that, just a site.


How many times does it need to be said?

FWIW, the moderators have nothing against Frosty on a personal level. He is by all accounts a really good guy. He has not been banned and no such thing has been mentioned, his input into this site is and always has been valued, and it would be a shame if he stopped. That is entirely his decision.

It is nothing but a parting of the ways. The rules are there to be followed and they were not. Patience and attempts to put things right were made over (a long) time but to no avail.

End of story.

[Jorja]

Her B4. Can I ask if you were given access to the e mails and Private messages sent to Frosty ?

[jrandom]

Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend?

Yes. It's not full of Wellingtonians.

:bleh:

[Her_C4]

Her B4. Can I ask if you were given access to the e mails and Private messages sent to Frosty ?

For the love of God - let it go... don't make me requote my post .... please.


Yes. It's not full of Wellingtonians.

:bleh:

But but but wellington is full of ex aucklanders!!!!:wari:

[jrandom]

But but but wellington is full of ex aucklanders!!!!

They'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

[discotex]

Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend?

Spoken like a true Wellingtonian. No-one was bagging anywhere else until you started. What's wrong with suggesting someone from Auckland should be on the mod team? We are 1/3 of the country for better or worse.

Funny how 99% of Aucklanders love the rest of the country and/or have no idea what all the fuss is about yet people south of the bombay's are so full of hate.

I just put it down to jealousy. I'm so glad I moved to Auckland. As I found it actually is the best city in NZ. :wari:

[Her_C4]

Spoken like a true Wellingtonian. :wari:

That would be an acceptable response if I actually were one... :bleh:

Hate? Strong words - I really don't care either way - but interesting that you chose to respond to my curiosity with such vehemence.


I must be tired and out of sorts - I don't usually bother responding on line to this sort of drivel (sigh).

Have a good night y'all.:niceone:

[justsomeguy]

And FFS!! An Auckland moderator?? What the hell are you people on? Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend? (Aside from the parochial arrogance portrayed by many that nothing actually exists below the Bombays?)Pray tell us what that is, and what the hell where one lives should decide whether one can understand, support and translate the site rules to the best of their abilities?

Here’s a thought.

The moderators are not actually there for you personally and they are not answerable or responsible to you either so HTFU the lot of you. The job of the moderator is to support the rules of site as originally defined by SpankMe, and implement them as and when required.

The wolves are out and baying for blood – how bloody amusing. But no. The moderator team does not have a case to answer to – half of you are not actually taking in what has been said in previous posts but instead are jumping on an already tired bandwagon and are showing yourselves to be nothing but empty and vapid hot heads.

Grow up the lot of you. KB is not a club for christ’s sake where everything needs to be sanctioned by the great masses. If you think it should be – pack up your wee bags, dry your wee eyes and lift up your wee chins and go find another site with another set of moderators to bag.

In the words of SpankMe

How many times does it need to be said?

FWIW, the moderators have nothing against Frosty on a personal level. He is by all accounts a really good guy. He has not been banned and no such thing has been mentioned, his input into this site is and always has been valued, and it would be a shame if he stopped. That is entirely his decision.

It is nothing but a parting of the ways. The rules are there to be followed and they were not. Patience and attempts to put things right were made over (a long) time but to no avail.

End of story.

If you feel you live in the best place why are you so bitter? Oh yeah KB was created in Auckland by Spank - So an Aucklander gave you KB:lol:

The headache with clubs is that they are full of rules..... which seems to be the increasing case here. Rules for the sake of rules are a bit boring.

[boomer]

Lets see what his 'crime' is? Good God how inflammatory!! Who said he had committed a bloody crime??

And FFS!! An Auckland moderator?? What the hell are you people on? Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend? (Aside from the parochial arrogance portrayed by many that nothing actually exists below the Bombays?)

Pray tell us what that is, and what the hell where one lives should decide whether one can understand, support and translate the site rules to the best of their abilities?

Here’s a thought.

The moderators are not actually there for you personally and they are not answerable or responsible to you either so HTFU the lot of you. The job of the moderator is to support the rules of site as originally defined by SpankMe, and implement them as and when required.

The wolves are out and baying for blood – how bloody amusing. But no. The moderator team does not have a case to answer to – half of you are not actually taking in what has been said in previous posts but instead are jumping on an already tired bandwagon and are showing yourselves to be nothing but empty and vapid hot heads.

Grow up the lot of you. KB is not a club for christ’s sake where everything needs to be sanctioned by the great masses. If you think it should be – pack up your wee bags, dry your wee eyes and lift up your wee chins and go find another site with another set of moderators to bag.

In the words of SpankMe

How many times does it need to be said?

FWIW, the moderators have nothing against Frosty on a personal level. He is by all accounts a really good guy. He has not been banned and no such thing has been mentioned, his input into this site is and always has been valued, and it would be a shame if he stopped. That is entirely his decision.

It is nothing but a parting of the ways. The rules are there to be followed and they were not. Patience and attempts to put things right were made over (a long) time but to no avail.

End of story.

has someone hit a chord..??? You seem to be pretty wound up for someone who seems to be disengaged from it all, merely following someone else's rules...!


Personally i have no idea how you and 4 of the 'other' mods came to be in that position. farcical really.


RULES... are STATEMENTS.. which are interpreted by people. Now who does the interpreting is paramount... think about this.

[doc]

:yes:this can be done on ATNR night for all those that hold this as a important Auckland showing there collectiveness on this issue.A mass email to spank maybe or maybe a petition what do you all think.

Then we could form a committee, pay subs, and appoint a leader. No thanks
KB'r is not a Democracy.

[Grahameeboy]

Then we could form a committee, pay subs, and appoint a leader. No thanks
KB'r is not a Democracy.

But does KB need to be a democracy??

[Grahameeboy]

has someone hit a chord..??? You seem to be pretty wound up for someone who seems to be disengaged from it all, merely following someone else's rules...!


Personally i have no idea how you and 4 of the 'other' mods came to be in that position. farcical really.


RULES... are STATEMENTS.. which are interpreted by people. Now who does the interpreting is paramount... think about this.

She doesn't seem too wound up to me......she is just saying how she feels...........no more than you young Boomer.........

[Grahameeboy]

If you feel you live in the best place why are you so bitter? Oh yeah KB was created in Auckland by Spank - So an Aucklander gave you KB:lol:

The headache with clubs is that they are full of rules..... which seems to be the increasing case here. Rules for the sake of rules are a bit boring.

She is just saying how it is from her point of view...............bitter is a bit strong...............

[Paul in NZ]

Technically, he is not banned. Indeed , even The Dover I think is not banned. But the distinction between being banned and having it made plain that the ruling elite of the site want you gone, consider you unwelcome, and think you should "Fuck off", is a very technical one indeed.

Seriously.... Why is everyone placing their own personal agendas on this issue... Frosty is a great guy - popular and he has many many fiends here. There are glowing testaments to his many good deeds which adds up to a pretty decent human being.... Thats great - hes lucky to have such caring friends. But - That might not qualify him as a fabulous moderator of this site... No one is 100% good or 100% bad... Clint Rickards has done some very good things and is highly regarded by some (not me) people (still) but he didn't follow the rules and he paid the price (well technically the tax payer paid)....

This is a mod thing. I'm just guessing but the team had a parting of the ways, Tony is upset and made it public..... Fair enough - his call but ultimately not a good one, perhaps that knock on the head has altered his judgement (Just kidding Tony) Why turn it into ww3? If Tony says lets fight - you need to decide if you want to support him but he is saying to cool it... So :Playnice:

[Taz]

Well I think frosty was always to good to be a moderator of this site. Leave it to the dicks - Frosty. There's plenty of them here.

[Maha]

If you think it should be – pack up your wee bags, dry your wee eyes and lift up your wee chins and go find another site with another set of moderators to bag.
End of story.


Not sure you wanna offer that up as an option, your request may just come true, foot extraction can be a rather messy job! And no, the story has yet to begin.


Her B4. Can I ask if you were given access to the e mails and Private messages sent to Frosty ?

Meh, you mean those ones that............

[MotoGirl]

for all those interested about getting Frosty back as a moderator may have to happen :yes:this can be done on ATNR night for all those that hold this as a important Auckland showing there collectiveness on this issue.A mass email to spank maybe or maybe a petition what do you all think.

Maybe it's this type of behaviour that made SpankMe appoint mods in the first place? He doesn't want or need to deal with this type of bullshit.

Even if you did do said petition, who're you going to bitch at if Spank tells you where to stick it? This isn't a democracy so HTFU.

P.S. Bitch about this all you want. I won't see it because I'll be out riding :bleh:

[MSTRS]

Could I ask a simple question? Why have a lot of posts been removed to that red forum?
I have read them and other than one or two none are off topic.I note the names of some of those posters who had posts moved...


Before you go ahead with that I would remind you both that publishing a pm without the senders permission is a clear breach of the site rules

One question I would also ask, is everyone very certain that they want a reply from the mod team on why he was removed

We do want to know. It is obvious that no-one of us is comfortable with the lies and deceit which seem to surround this current issue.
As far as the 'permission' thing goes, I guess you are not about to give that for the PMs you sent ?? Which would still leave the situation one-sided and unresolved.

[Swoop]

- unless you post is about building bridges or improving things - for mercies sake let this go.
It has already been suggested. Replace ALL mods. Not the junior ones, not the senior ones - ALL mods. The disease has spread.

This is a mod thing.
Can't argue with that.

I'm just guessing but the team had a parting of the ways,
Hmm. Jump or be pushed. Yeah, right "a parting of the ways".


Right. Going off to spend the day riding.:2thumbsup

[Unit]

would you want to give any sort of advice if you were in his position? if you get fired from a job do you still go back and help out the staff even though your boss is a cunt?
No. Mine was labelled redundancy, then staff were ringing me at home wanting information :Pokey:

[Jorja]

The bigger picture in all of this that no one has really mentioned is the fact that the kiwibiker trackdays are gone because of this.
Yes he did them off his own back, but they were primarily for kiwibiker members. How many of the members here can say they are better riders because of it! You only have to ask the 85 riders at the last one to see how much these events will be missed.
There are several behind the scenes elements that make it impossible for him to run them without being a moderator. Even I don't know half of what goes into one and I have helped out at the last 3.

There has been alot of talk about how he broke the rules constantly but that was according to one senior member and NOT the site owner.

[Mom]

The job of the moderator is to support the rules of site as originally defined by SpankMe, and implement them as and when required.
End of story.

Agreed! But, these rules should be fairly applied.




The moderator team does not have a case to answer to...


End of story.

Are you sure about that? I always thought that there were 2 levels of Moderation on KB. Are you privy to emails/PM's from Smods that may or may not have been sent?



End of story.

Somehow I doubt that it is the end of the story.

[rwh]

The bigger picture in all of this that no one has really mentioned is the fact that the kiwibiker trackdays are gone because of this.

Isn't that because Frosty hasn't mentioned it? I don't remember him announcing any such thing; are you doing so for him now?

Richard

[rainman]

This is really not that difficult an issue.

When people voluntarily spend a lot of time on something it is usually a good indication that they value it. It may be "just the Internet" and "not as important as going for a ride", but still relatively valuable. Rep points and post counts and other such obviously silly measures serve to reinforce people's sense of attachment to a forum such as this, which increases the value it has for them. As a very wise former manager of mine once said, "People just want to belong". Looking at Frosty's original posting, he clearly feels aggrieved, and has lost something he values.

Bikers and a curious lot. On the one hand we have this rebel-without-a-cause, I-don't-need-anything-but-a-good-road independence, but on the other hand we're under siege (cagers trying to kill us, govt valuing our lives at zero, family and friends calling us temporary NZers, etc) so we kinda (maybe just a little bit) like being part of a community. We like group rides, getting together at a mates house to work on a mechanical problem, rallies... etc. And thus we form closer relationships than, say, model-aircraft collecting groups - so have a higher level of empathy when one of us is mistreated. (Have a look at Str8 Jackets post about nearly being mugged - there were people here offering vigilante justice within 30 mins!). So those of us who like and respect Frosty (which seems to be a well deservedly large number) share some of his feeling of being aggrieved.

Having mods is arguably a necessary evil for a large community - because some people are just tossers - but heavy-handed, inscrutable, generally unreasonable moderation (they call it moderation for a reason, remember) creates division, makes us feel like we don't belong, that there are another group we need to rally and defend against - and the worst thing is they are us, fellow bikers. Therefore attacks on mods are more vicious than they would be toward outsiders. The mods, therefore, have to do extra work to control this effect, and minimise the division between the mods and the proles, to make sure they aren't the enemy in the eyes of the 99% of reasonable people here.

If not? Well, there is a risk here, that has been pointed out by others, of the site becoming so divided by driving away valued and valuable contributors, that it crumbles to a shadow of it's former glory. What controls get put in place to avoid this are for SpankMe to determine, if he even wants to - he's the site god after all - but that doesn't mean he'll get it right, as far as the majority (or even a large minority) are concerned, which will lead to more defections. And more "brand dilution" for KB as alternative sites become more credible in the collective mindspace. It's happened before, over and over, shows, sites and groups "jumping the shark". Internet success is hard to do, and network effects are hard to predict, but the best outcome is generally achieved with the fewest, clearest and most reasonable rules. But that's a separate discussion.

The Frosty being fired issue is now in the public arena (sadly along with the whole bike sale dispute thread). Leaving it undiscussed and behind closed doors is indeed an option, but will just reinforce the issues above and reduce the value many people attach to KB. I wouldn't choose that path, if it were up to me.

(climbs off soapbox)

[Pussy]

There is nothing stopping him from still giving technical advice

Provided it's sound advice!!

[Qkkid]

This is really not that difficult an issue.

When people voluntarily spend a lot of time on something it is usually a good indication that they value it. It may be "just the Internet" and "not as important as going for a ride", but still relatively valuable. Rep points and post counts and other such obviously silly measures serve to reinforce people's sense of attachment to a forum such as this, which increases the value it has for them. As a very wise former manager of mine once said, "People just want to belong". Looking at Frosty's original posting, he clearly feels aggrieved, and has lost something he values.

Bikers and a curious lot. On the one hand we have this rebel-without-a-cause, I-don't-need-anything-but-a-good-road independence, but on the other hand we're under siege (cagers trying to kill us, govt valuing our lives at zero, family and friends calling us temporary NZers, etc) so we kinda (maybe just a little bit) like being part of a community. We like group rides, getting together at a mates house to work on a mechanical problem, rallies... etc. And thus we form closer relationships than, say, model-aircraft collecting groups - so have a higher level of empathy when one of us is mistreated. (Have a look at Str8 Jackets post about nearly being mugged - there were people here offering vigilante justice within 30 mins!). So those of us who like and respect Frosty (which seems to be a well deservedly large number) share some of his feeling of being aggrieved.

Having mods is arguably a necessary evil for a large community - because some people are just tossers - but heavy-handed, inscrutable, generally unreasonable moderation (they call it moderation for a reason, remember) creates division, makes us feel like we don't belong, that there are another group we need to rally and defend against - and the worst thing is they are us, fellow bikers. Therefore attacks on mods are more vicious than they would be toward outsiders. The mods, therefore, have to do extra work to control this effect, and minimise the division between the mods and the proles, to make sure they aren't the enemy in the eyes of the 99% of reasonable people here.

If not? Well, there is a risk here, that has been pointed out by others, of the site becoming so divided by driving away valued and valuable contributors, that it crumbles to a shadow of it's former glory. What controls get put in place to avoid this are for SpankMe to determine, if he even wants to - he's the site god after all - but that doesn't mean he'll get it right, as far as the majority (or even a large minority) are concerned, which will lead to more defections. And more "brand dilution" for KB as alternative sites become more credible in the collective mindspace. It's happened before, over and over, shows, sites and groups "jumping the shark". Internet success is hard to do, and network effects are hard to predict, but the best outcome is generally achieved with the fewest, clearest and most reasonable rules. But that's a separate discussion.

The Frosty being fired issue is now in the public arena (along with the whole bike sale dispute thread). Leaving it undiscussed and behind closed doors is indeed an option, but will just reinforce the issues above and reduce the value many people attach to KB. I wouldn't choose that path, if it were up to me.

<climbs off soapbox>

Now this is a very good post green bling to you sir Now lets see if the mod reads this and also i may say HER_B4 because she is sounding a little to much like the mods There is a very big difference between owning a buisness and running a buisness and from life experience when there is alot of "money"as a example at stake,you think very carefully about the repercussions from the decisions. when you are just running or workin for someone you only think about your world till something happens. Due to what has happened people are shocked ,and rightly so:Playnice: So come on KICKAHA the answer please show us the money.

[scumdog]

Due to what has happened people are shocked ,and rightly so:Playnice:

So what HAS happened eh??:wait::wait::scratch:

[Pixie]

In a few years they'll just sit in a circle and moderate each other

[Mom]

So what HAS happened eh??:wait::wait::scratch:

Thats what we all want to know!

[Jorja]

Isn't that because Frosty hasn't mentioned it? I don't remember him announcing any such thing; are you doing so for him now?

Richard

It was stated in the very first post of this thread. Unfortunately it has since been moderfied serveral times. There has been one or two other posts on here asking about it but right now everything is very up in the air.

You will note however that trackday 7 is no longer listed on his posts

[James Deuce]

Now this is a very good post green bling to you sir Now lets see if the mod reads this and also i may say HERB4 because she is sounding a little to much like the mods There is a very big difference between owning a buisness and running a buisness and from life experience when there is alot of "money"as a example at stake,you think very carefully about the repercussions. when you are just running or workin for someone you only think about your world till something happens. Due to what has happened people are shocked ,and rightly so:Playnice: So come on KICKAHA the answer please show us the money.

She is a Mod. You guys know you can see who the Mods are, right?

How about moving the thing out of the public arena until you have some facts to post because you KB guys & gals are crushing my monthly bandwidth allowance with hyperbole, innuendo, and downright lies.

[Ixion]

And FFS!! An Auckland moderator?? What the hell are you people on? Is there something ultra ‘spechal’ about Auckland that the rest of us in NZ don’t know about and can’t comprehend? (Aside from the parochial arrogance portrayed by many that nothing actually exists below the Bombays?)

Pray tell us what that is, and what the hell where one lives should decide whether one can understand, support and translate the site rules to the best of their abilities?



Yes, there is actually. There are quite a lot of things about biking in Auckland that are different to the rest of the country . Mainly because of its size, so some of them are shared to a lesser degree by the other major cities. But certainly Auckland does have special issues.

I can mention motorways ; cheescutters; lanesplitting; traffic volumes generally; parking. Some of these are simply meaningless to a lot of the country (how many miles of motorway in Invercargill ? ) others have so much greater an impact in Auckland that they take on a different quality (lanesplitting may exist in Dunedin, but it's a way of life in Auckland).

And as KB becomes more and more southern focused the absence of interest by the mods and Heaven Born in non-southern issues is more and more noticeable. The cheescutter campaign is an excellent exammple. It's a matter of very great importance to Aucklanders , because that's where the vast majority of cheescutters are. Yes, other areas have put their shoulder to the wheel, but Auckland is where it hurts. And, unsurprisingly the campaign was started by Mr Spankme, an Aucklander. And equally unsurprisingly, none of the rest of the mods or Heaven Born have shown the slightest interest. And in some cases have actively worked against it. So that's one example of where not having any Auckland representation is an issue.

KB claims to be the "site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists". Not just those south of the Bombays. I don't imply that the geographic thing is deliberate. It's a side effect of the fatc that KB is becoming a dynastic property, controlled by a very small clique , who fill any vacancies with people connected with themselves. As the leaders of the clique are from Christchurch, naturally over time there is a southward pull.

And the result is likely to be that northerners will , as Mr Rainman wisely says, vote with their feet. It hasn't happened yet, at present the northern response is to pay less attention to KB, to contribute less. A quick login once every few days , and then off again. Illustrated by the recent KB birthday celebation thing, where only six Aucklanders turned up. The message is "KB doesn't think we're of any relevance, why should we think KB is of any relevance?". And sooner or later an alternative sand pit WILL open up and there will be a quite sudden mass exodus

[Qkkid]

She is a Mod. You guys know you can see who the Mods are, right?

How about moving the thing out of the public arena until you have some facts to post because you KB guys & gals are crushing my monthly bandwidth allowance with hyperbole, innuendo, and downright lies.

:msn-wink:Aha makes sense :laugh::laugh::laugh: around 400 posts and HER_B4 a mod very interesting :bleh: I am sorry i cant give out anymore greenies as i have used my limit 4 today:msn-wink:

[MVnut]

Thats what we all want to know!

Well it's not about the sale of the bike:2guns::2guns::2guns::Oops:

[Jantar]

....And as KB becomes more and more southern focused the absence of interest by the mods and Heaven Born in non-southern issues is more and more noticeable. The cheescutter campaign is an excellent exammple. It's a matter of very great importance to Aucklanders , because that's where the vast majority of cheescutters are. Yes, other areas have put their shoulder to the wheel, but Auckland is where it hurts. And, unsurprisingly the campaign was started by Mr Spankme, an Aucklander. And equally unsurprisingly, none of the rest of the mods or Heaven Born have shown the slightest interest. And in some cases have actively worked against it. So that's one example of where not having any Auckland representation is an issue....

This is a rather disingenious claim. I'm sorry if the southern mods didn't join in the protest rides, unfortunately, this one was still in Australia and unable to ride. However the CCs are no less of an issue down here than they are in Auckland. There are moke kms of CCs between Alexandra and Queenstown than there are on the whole of the Auckland motorways. However a protest ride of 4 KBers isn't as likely to have an impact.

We are making our feelings known to the powers that be and actively objecting to them. Please tell me (privately if you wish) about any mods actively working against the campaign.

[pritch]

She is a Mod. You guys know you can see who the Mods are, right?

In a word, no!

Until now I wasn't interested, they did their work for bugger-all but whatever satisfaction it gave them.

They haven't bothered me and (so far) I don't seem to bother them too much.

Suddenly though it does seem more relevant.

It occurs to me that moderators are a bit like union shop stewards. The best ones are the ones who don't really want the position. Beware the ones who actually want the job...

[speights_bud]

As stated earlier, this is a public Forum, which therefore (should) allow people to have their own opinions.

I wasn't going to post in this thread, but it would appear that the public are not going to hear the full story, which , considering that as this appears to be a conflict between the mods/staff of the site, the public may not be entitled to hear so. However by removing posts the people will just want to know more.

I'm leaving it at that from what i understand of things,

You're a good man Frosty, keep up the good work

[chanceyy]

i would also like for them to be unknown... we would know they are there, but not where, when or who.

ive only met one, chanceyy, and though i like her, and would ride with her any day of the week, i did feel a tad tense simply due to her being a mod. i expected online lives to cross into offline, and didnt want to step out of line. i feel i would have been a whole heap more relaxed if i didnt know she was a mod.

no need to be tense around me Sun .. off the web I am just another person .. pretty relaxed & easygoing .. a bit like my mod style, anything that happens off site can not reflect onsite .. & it doesn't for me .. my own opinions on ppl are just that .. & modding calls for ppl to be non judgmental & trying to understand what others are meaning by the written word. Is a bit of a tiff sparring between friends or is it crap that needs to be handled so it does not spew over into rides etc .. when ppl talk face to face you have the ability to read body language .. with the written word you have to try & determine in which vein the writer was posting ..

the only modding I do is on the web, & yes some ppl delight in pretending to be something they generally are not in real life .. put it into perspective .. membership of approx 8-9000 ppl & yet its the same 1-2 dozen who feel like rules do not apply to them, Mods also have to abide by rules .. we are not god like just trying to do the job Spank has asked of us ..

[Colapop]

I'm tense around Chanceyy... only coz that's the best way to deliver a hug!

[discotex]

the only modding I do is on the web, & yes some ppl delight in pretending to be something they generally are not in real life .. put it into perspective .. membership of approx 8-9000 ppl & yet its the same 1-2 dozen who feel like rules do not apply to them, Mods also have to abide by rules .. we are not god like just trying to do the job Spank has asked of us ..

I totally back sorting out the chaff so we can keep the wheat. Although I prefer non moderated forums (like usenet in the good old days) I understand that while SpankMe is legally responsible for the content on this site it's a necessary evil.

I don't envy anyone who has to censor (which is the main role of a mod) a site like this. It's a pain of a job. Look at poor old Alt TV as a classic example of what can happen. The person moderating the txt messages gets pissed and misses a few racist hate speeches and *boom* they're offline for a day with a massive fine. I'd hate to see KB go down that road.

It also means when you get it wrong or make a borderline call you cop a lot of flack. Against that you have to try to keep the site free and flowing. Much like an umpire.

It's a hard job and it makes you a target for troublemakers. So yeah I'm all for trashing the total wankers and removing racist posts and all that.

It's just that this isn't what we're talking about here right? Someone that a large number of KB'ers thinks makes for a great mod has been demoted against their will and it's not really a surprise to me that people want to know why.

[davereid]

Internet forums seem to generate their own kind of "road rage"... events that we would normally just shrug off seem to gain an importance possibly well above their real world tea-cup status. I have never met Frosty, but I have read many of his posts, and I am sure he is a good guy. I've met some of the mods, and watched others here, and I am sure they are pretty reasonable peole too.

Yet we we get on the innernet, problems we could deal with simply in real life just amplify themselves.

[MSTRS]

In a word, no!


Mods log-in names are in BOLD type or PINK or ORANGE/YELLOW

[MSTRS]

.. a bit like my mod style, anything that happens off site can not reflect onsite .. & it doesn't for me .. .

A big part of the problem we face now, is the exact opposite of this. Even if events occurred because of KB.

[Swoop]

I always thought that there were 2 levels of Moderation on KB.
I believe there are three. Mods-bigger mods-Spank.

they did their work for bugger-all but whatever satisfaction it gave them.
THAT is a very good question, for one in particular.

[MSTRS]

There is more than a little prophesy in here... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1076689&postcount=1

[yungatart]

KB is a site for all NZ motorcyclists
as long as one follows the party line
Despite prtestations that it is not a club, it is a community,
In the past it has been a community of fun, friendship, acceptance, love, good times and bad times.
It has been an unending source of comfort, advice, shoulders to cry on, and people to listen.
It has been a place where people care about each other. It has been what communities around this country cry out for in its camaraderie.
How sad, then, that Frosty has been made to feel unwelcome because he wouldn't "toe the party line". The words do not need to be spoken/written to him to be true....it is a feeling deep in one's gut...it is most unpleasant.
This is not so much about Frosty being canned as a moderator...it is more about the loss of decent treatment for decent human beings.
I, for one, am seriously considering whether I want to be involved in this community anymore...I don't want to be a part of an entity that is unwilling to shed light on problems, to be open to criticism, to stand community scrutiny.
Brushing this all under the carpet will not make it go away!
It will do untold damage!
I beg the "mods" to reconsider their decision...throw this out to the masses, have some integrity, stand behind the decision you made, but make it public!
For evil to prevail, good men need do nothing!
I did nothing when Ixion thanked us for the fish...I can't let this one go as well!

[Finn]

Who's Frosty?

[Kiwifire72]

KB is a site for all NZ motorcyclists
as long as one follows the party line
Despite prtestations that it is not a club, it is a community,
In the past it has been a community of fun, friendship, acceptance, love, good times and bad times.
It has been an unending source of comfort, advice, shoulders to cry on, and people to listen.
It has been a place where people care about each other. It has been what communities around this country cry out for in its camaraderie.
How sad, then, that Frosty has been made to feel unwelcome because he wouldn't "toe the party line". The words do not need to be spoken/written to him to be true....it is a feeling deep in one's gut...it is most unpleasant.
This is not so much about Frosty being canned as a moderator...it is more about the loss of decent treatment for decent human beings.
I, for one, am seriously considering whether I want to be involved in this community anymore...I don't want to be a part of an entity that is unwilling to shed light on problems, to be open to criticism, to stand community scrutiny.
Brushing this all under the carpet will not make it go away!
It will do untold damage!
I beg the "mods" to reconsider their decision...throw this out to the masses, have some integrity, stand behind the decision you made, but make it public!
For evil to prevail, good men need do nothing!
I did nothing when Ixion thanked us for the fish...I can't let this one go as well!

One would have to agree with you totally here I am a six month virgin on this site recommended to me by a very good mate who has in that six months decided to limit his activity on this site due to the political bullshitt. I as yet have not had the privalige to meet Frosty but have read posts and advice from him and feel this site would not benefit in any way what so ever in banning or excluding him . I also believe that it should be made known to all the facts of this whole situation but in saying this I believe that this will never happen and low and behold that it does it will be a biased version of events . as I posted earlier in theis thread




FROSTY FOR PRESIDENT

[doc]

Who's Frosty?
15 pages and you finally turn up. Business that bad you had to go back to dialup ?

[Finn]

Business that bad you had to go back to dialup ?

This is NZ. Dialup is much quicker than ADSL.

[speights_bud]

Now lets keep this on topic people, the mods might be watching :Oops::dodge:

[MSTRS]

Now lets keep this on topic people, the mods might be watching :Oops::dodge:

Most of us are on topic...we support Frosty and feel that proper and full disclosure is the only way this problem will be dealt with.
Do we want to still be hearing about this in a years time like 'that bike' subject??

[Kiwifire72]

Now lets keep this on topic people, the mods might be watching :Oops::dodge:

On topic I thought they were the topic

[speights_bud]

ok i'll shutup now.

Its a shame that this is happening, Frosty has my support, Its only fair that a guy who has done so much for so many of us that he should be treated right.:calm:

[Hitcher]

Well things have certainly been busy here since Friday!

And there is a bunch of shit getting thrown around, in typical KB style, regarding the "sacking" of Frosty.

Once again much of the "discussion" relating to this matter has been one-sided -- in Frosty's favour. And there has also been a lot of crap thrown at Moderators -- Joni in particular.

Until a few months ago I had the privilege to be a Senior Moderator. As such I was privy to some discussions that other Moderators (like I am now) and Kiwi Biker members don't get to see. Trust me when I say it's pretty ugly at times in the back room.

One of the things that Senior Moderators get involved in is feedback about the performance of Moderators, and they also have a range of tools that allow what Mods do to be observed and quantified. There are some great Moderators on this site, some who are still learning the dark art of moderation, a very few whose performance has been sub-optimal and a couple who have caused no end of trouble.

Another point that needs to be kept in mind here is to disassociate what Frosty does outside KB, such as worthy work organising track days and the like, and what he does (or does not do) on KB as a Moderator.

Back in my Senior Moderator days, I think I was privy to more complaints about Frosty's "performance" than all of the other Moderators together. To piously claim that his demise was the result of how he handled just one post is a nonsense. It may have been the last straw, but in my opinion, the Senior Moderators have tolerated Frosty's peccadilloes for about a year longer than they should have, probably sensing that a backlash like this would be a result. While they were right in guessing how the site may react, they also did the right thing by removing an extremely troublesome Moderator.

And as for Mod-bashing, and singling out Joni for special attention, I think that that is just symptomatic of a huge degree of immaturity from some contributors. Joni deserves better.

It's really hard finding competent and dedicated people who are prepared to volunteer large parts of their lives to keep this site alive and ticking. The brutal and inane displays of petulance at times like this make it that much harder to retain the talent pool we currently enjoy. Those of you who have been engaging in mindless displays of Mod-slagging should be ashamed of yourselves.

[yungatart]

I have never seen a poster questioning Frosty's integrity as a mod, I have however, seen legions questioning Joni's.
From my own point of view, and I consider that I am reasonably mature,(some may differ), the one and only timne I asked for help from a mod to deal with a personal vendetta, I asked Joni.
It was not dealt with satisfactorily by her, until I had publicly posted the pms and rep comments in the forum....by which time, I had earned her ire too, and recieved a slap over the wrist for my troubles.
I found her to be opiniated and extremely unhelpful....I didn't realise one could complain to a mod about another mods poor performance, or I would have done so long ago.
Thanks, H, i will file it for future refernce.
And again I ask for some transperancy in this issue.

[Hitcher]

And again I ask for some transperancy in this issue.

It's nice to know you're not the sort to be embittered and carry a grudge. Good on you!

And what, exactly, is this "transparency" you're so keen on getting?

The decision to remove Frosty from the Moderating team was serious and would not have happened unless the Senior Moderators were united. Picking on Joni in relation to this is pitiful.

[Delphinus]

yungatart, I would have to strongly disagree.
I have dealt with Joni a few times and had the pleasure of meeting her and the crew up in chch for the KB Bday party. She is a very kind and caring person and definitly does not deserve the flack she seems to receive on these forums, for trying to do a long, frustrating, and thankless job that is moderating.

People need to remember that there are actually real live humans on the other end of these forums... Not just the machine you are looking at right now.

[chanceyy]

I'm tense around Chanceyy... only coz that's the best way to deliver a hug!

thats only cause you really really scared of me :nya:




missed ya last nite I came to wellywood & enjoyed the company of the skunks & kendogs, & a few others .... along with alcohol and tupperware & gadets .. :whistle:

[ATEZZR]

The decision to remove Frosty from the Moderating team was serious and would not have happened unless the Senior Moderators were united. Picking on Joni in relation to this is pitiful.

How true is that i believe joni and kickaha are united arn't they and we all know who wheres the pants as well.

[Hitcher]

Frosty's sacking has nothing to do with Joni -- other than the fact that she has been exposed to way too much abuse of a personal nature.

And like some others, she hasn't thrown all of her toys out of the cot, posted the contents of Personal Messages in a feeble effort to suit her own side of things and gone all pissy. How people respond to adversity can be particularly telling about their strength of or lack of character. This thread has been extremely educational on that score.

People who want to take liberties with the truth and try and rewrite history to make themselves look like saints should be warned that some of us have particularly long memories and will not resile from filling in the gaps, if that's what people think they want to hear...

[Hitcher]

How true is that i believe joni and kickaha are united arn't they and we all know who wheres the pants as well.

Apart from being appallingly spelt, that is just a pathetic attempt to play the man, rather than the ball.

[Kiwifire72]

isn't it funny that the mod are perm sitting in this thread watching and waiting to pounce.
Do you have a roster all set up????
Who has got the grave yard shift over night????

[Hitcher]

isn't it funny that the mod are perm sitting in this thread watching and waiting to pounce.

My head appears to have fallen off!

[Kiwifire72]

Apart from being appallingly spelt, that is just a pathetic attempt to play the man, rather than the ball.
Who the hell really cares about Spelling we are only human and most of us have long left school so who gives a !@#$ weather we spell the odd word slightly rong

[Her_C4]

There was a roster? Why didn't any one tell me????:laugh::cry:

[ATEZZR]

yungatart, I would have to strongly disagree.
I have dealt with Joni a few times and had the pleasure of meeting her and the crew up in chch for the KB Bday party. She is a very kind and caring person and definitly does not deserve the flack she seems to receive on these forums, for trying to do a long, frustrating, and thankless job that is moderating.

People need to remember that there are actually real live humans on the other end of these forums... Not just the machine you are looking at right now.


And you can judge that much of a person on one meeting you must be very gifted. Joni also needs to stop and think about the things she dones and must also suffer the consquence of her and only her actions.


www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61255

[Kiwifire72]

There was a roster? Why didn't any one tell me????:laugh::cry:
And we thought you were a mod
you must be a honary mod seeing as you not been given a copy of the monetor this thread roster

[chanceyy]

There was a roster? Why didn't any one tell me????:laugh::cry:

or me :pinch:

[MadDuck]

People who want to take liberties with the truth and try and rewrite history to make themselves look like saints should be warned that some of us have particularly long memories and will not resile from filling in the gaps, if that's what people think they want to hear...

Yes some us of have been here a very long time Mr Hitcher and are more than willing to help you fill in the gaps should that be required.....

[ATEZZR]

Apart from being appallingly spelt, that is just a pathetic attempt to play the man, rather than the ball.


No i thought that was joni job and she only gets them out when its time to play.





And as far as your threats go just shows how much of a big man you are.





Also i dont have balls i'm all women would joni like some lessons

[Mom]

Well things have certainly been busy here since Friday! And there is a bunch of shit getting thrown around, in typical KB style, regarding the "sacking" of Frosty.


Hope you had a good weekend away! Weather has been primo up here! Since when is there not a "bunch of shit" thrown around when something like this happens? This is the KB way.



Until a few months ago I had the privilege to be a Senior Moderator. As such I was privy to some discussions that other Moderators (like I am now) and Kiwi Biker members don't get to see. Trust me when I say it's pretty ugly at times in the back room.


Thanks goodness you have clarified that! We have had moderators spouting all kinds of stuff today, defending things which as you plainly say, they would not have known about!




Another point that needs to be kept in mind here is to disassociate what Frosty does outside KB, such as worthy work organising track days and the like, and what he does (or does not do) on KB as a Moderator.



I am confused a little bit here by that, I have never seen a FROSTY Track day promoted...they have all looked a bit like this...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=59921

Surely that is a KB Trackday!

I wonder why you have taken the defense of Joni here, I have not seen anything in this thread to suggest that Joni is involved, infact i think she has posted once on this topic. I may be wrong though I have not read all the posts. This to me is more about a senior member starting a thread saying he has been sacked as a moderator, and the general shock of some vocal members asking why!

Seriously, let us know!

[Fatjim]

Who's Frosty?

Been quite warm in Welly lately, you must be on Stewart Island somewhere?

[Fatjim]

No i thought that was joni job and she only gets them out when its time to play.





And as far as your threats go just shows how much of a big man you are.





Also i dont have balls i'm all women would joni like some lessons

Can we get a translation? I don't have the foggiest what this means in relation to the quote?

[Her_C4]

Can we get a translation? I don't have the foggiest what this means in relation to the quote?

+1

would indeed be helpful:yes:

[Hitcher]

And as far as your threats go just shows how much of a big man you are.

Threats? I don't remember making any threats. If you haven't got anything useful to say, rather than taking pitifully cheap shots at people you don't know or care about, then Shut The Fuck Up. That's not a "threat" either, as there is no implied or stated concomitant action. It is a statement of opinion. Learn the difference.

And I'm not as big a man as I once was...

[Kiwifire72]

Threats? I don't remember making any threats. If you haven't got anything useful to say, rather than taking pitifully cheap shots at people you don't know or care about, then Shut The Fuck Up. That's not a "threat" either, as there is no implied or stated concomitant action. It is a statement of opinion. Learn the difference.

And I'm not as big a man as I once was...
Is that any way to speak to a lady , A Woman or any Female ????????

[Kiwifire72]

A member is not allowed to make threats or how could you say it bad mouth a Mod yet you as a Mod Hitcher say that to a member ???????????
As far as I am concern PLEASE EXPLAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NotaGoth]

Threats? I don't remember making any threats. If you haven't got anything useful to say, rather than taking pitifully cheap shots at people you don't know or care about, then Shut The Fuck Up. That's not a "threat" either, as there is no implied or stated concomitant action. It is a statement of opinion. Learn the difference.

And I'm not as big a man as I once was...

That is completely crossing the line on your part. Makes me wonder why you don't get the sack. :gob: