One last thing

[FROSTY]

In all the time Ive been with KB there is ONE thing that happened that I wish to God (Yes I believe in him im not blaspheming) I had never had anything to do with.
A year ago I had a phone call from a very upset freind of mine.
She was in dire need of money because she had loaned money to a male freind.
Said freind had left her a motorcycle as security -then said if she wanted the money to sell the bike
She is not nor ever has been a biker.
She asked me to sell the bike for her.
It was a 1980's FZR400 exup
I charged the battery up cleaned out the carbs ,lubed and tensioned the chain and put fresh fuel in it.
I rode the bike on a thursday night ride and it ran fine.I then returned it to its owner other than an oil change that was the TOTAL extent of my mechanical work on the bike
For a bike of its age it looked great and ran well -No nasty rattles
As she requested I then advertised the bike both on KB and Trade me
The bike was purchased by str8 jacket -over the phone and I must say based on my I believe honest assesment of the bike that it was Mint for its age.
EVERY PENNY she paid me went to said freind

Keystone 19 (and I think surfchic) will be able to verify that this is the 100% truth -ie they indipendantly know this person
I had the bike checked for a WOF which it passed with no issues
I was asked toorganise a mechanical inspection
I did indeed unquestionably make a mistake in not telling the buyer NOT to come up to auckland.
I had run out of time to organise a FULL mechanical inspection -I had a mechanic look the bike over but it was no more than a peer around with a torch and a quick ride.
str8 jacket rode the bike to wellington
MANY- comments were made about how fast the bike went and how well it handled
Str8 jacket raised issue with the bike. it had a by then buggered chain and no oil .I was not aware of her lack of mechanical experience. I at this point offered to refund her payment in full for the bike -minus the damage inflicted when it fell over- but she did not want this.I DID send a replacement chain for the bike at my expense.

II NEVER INTENDED TO HURT OR RIP ANYBODY OFF .MY INTENTIONS WERE AS ALWAYS HONERABLE
I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY OR DO

Str8 jacket I know you will never believe a word I say but Im genuinely sorry the bike wasn't up to your expectations.
Axctually sorry doesnt cover it -It has upset me beyond measure




This is in reponse to
Frosty ripped me off and as much as it doesnt have anything to do with what has gone on in this thread I believe he is not the angel people think he is and for this reason should not be glorified. I know its controversial but its true. People with integrity dont rip others off.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Cibby]

Good write up to a bit of a nasty post there Tony,

I know that you were great when you helped me fix the starter motor in my car a year or so back and you have alwasy been encouraging and a good friend, please dont let the crap of KB get you down, ;)

Hugs :) Cibby

[Paul in NZ]

Don't stress Tony - The new owner has got a hell of a bike now OK as well as the curse... Trust me - That bike cost me and Helen PLENTY!!!!!! Its actually pretty fuckin funny how it got sold - it fought to the bitter end to leave my place

Corey - if you ever read this - fuck the $$. I had a BLAST with that bike and I trusted it 100% and it paid me back in spades... Its as fast as fuck and as twice as lucky - all it wants is belief! I'm NOT posting here how it saved my fat arse but thats a hell of a bike and it loves me.. If you ever want rid of it - you know where I am

[Mom]

Pity this issue has not been allowed to die a natural death really. I am sorry that you felt you needed to make this post.

[marty]

frosty had left it alone. srt8 started it up again.

[justsomeguy]

Yeah, but you helped me with my ZZR250 and that ran fine and saved me money thanks to your advice. And you charged me NOTHING in return. Although I used some of your parts.

Then you left your missus on your anniversary to come and help me inspect a CBR250RR when you didn't have to. I enjoyed that bike and it was soo mint that I didn't lose any money when I traded it in.

Then you helped set up the Spanner nights so we could learn a bit about fixing bikes.

Then you helped go pick up crashed bikers in your van on so many times.

Then you let people borrow your van to take their bikes to race meets.

Then you organised trackdays putting your money on the line to start it up so we common folk could get out on the track months before MotoTT, KiwiTrackDays and the like were even formed.

Mate most of us here know what kind of person you are:


..........Frosty has a lot of friends here


You give generously and unreservedly of your time and advice and labours, you have earned the respect of your peers (note I said earned, not demanded) then you recieve a kick in the teeth. Kinda dulls your enthusiasm and makes you question if it is really all worth while don't it?
Who could blame Frosty if he did withdraw this stuff? No one, so who then?


Frosty was a guy that had the time of the day for anyone and would drop anything at a moments notice for anyone, Lend his car a true biker who cared about people.Shame on the people involved or should i say person, ...........Dawn and myself :hug: we will miss you Tony ,hope we will see you around on our ATNR Because this is what Kiwibiker is all about. Another sad day for kiwibiker


well thats one hell of a shock, your a big part of the kb community tony...


Sorry to hear that Frosty.
Hope ya stick around mate.


bugger. after everything youve done on the racing side of things for this site, its very surprising.


Tell 'em to get fucked Frosty..:angry2:


You know Tony that your mechanical/racing/riding experience is held in high regard by me and Rachel(Whitebelt).

We will back you over any advice from other people.

Obviously not privy to the politics, however it ain't politics that gets one around corners.

Greg and Rachel. XXX


Man, you deserve a sainthood. If you're ever passing through Gisborne you should call in on my sister.


Hell, members should have a direct credit into your acc. for all the work you do round here.




I have never found anything you have said misleading or spitefull. Ever. You are a good bastard. And in the face of KB one of the few good cunts ....../xxxxx






where has the love gone? bring back frosty. who the fuck is going to give any half decent technical advice? i would but most of the time i just make shit up and throw in some big words to make it sound legit.



it will be carnage, there with be wheels falling off GN's, hondas bursting into flames, all sorts of bad shit is going to happen.



is this the apocolypse? !!

[ManDownUnder]

Frosty,

I know you well enough to say that although you needed to get that off your chest - you never needed to post that. I know you wouldn't intentionally do anything to hurt another.

You're a bit rough - but then diamonds naturally are.

It's money mate. It has the ability to blind people and remove forgiveness like I've never ever been able to anticipate before. I've sadly seen examples of this first hand in the last couple of months - you try to do good and he said she said gets in the way, the issue at hand gets lost and people start hating each other.

Credit where it's due... I know where to get expert advice and if you ever have the time when I need it I'll be sure to repay you in cash or kind.

Man you have my number. If you ever need to use it, do so without hesitation.

[Grahameeboy]

Well Frosty this is a site where you can say your peace so fair enough.

I know you lent jrandom your van when the had a puncture the other week so 10/10 mate.

I think that sometimes we try too hard to help others, like with your Thread and just a thought, but maybe you should think about taking time for you also when stuff like this happens

[rainman]

I NEVER INTENDED TO HURT OR RIP ANYBODY OFF .MY INTENTIONS WERE AS ALWAYS HONERABLE
I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY OR DO

Str8 jacket I know you will never believe a word I say but Im genuinely sorry the bike wasn't up to your expectations.
Axctually sorry doesnt cover it -It has upset me beyond measure


Frosty, we've never met, but from your KB postings and comments of others you seem to be a decent sort. At the end of the day the Ultimate Truth here swings on your own integrity, and your intentions when selling the bike. Although only you can honestly know what happens inside your own head, the fact that you're upset about this (and what I've heard about your past behaviour) makes me think you're being straight up here. At the end of the day you're probably the harshest judge of yourself.

My 2c, if it's worth that much: go for a ride, have fun with your mates, enjoy the sunshine and good riding weather.... and when you get to that point where you realise (again, no doubt) that shit happens, some people are unreasonable, take some lessons from it if you can or want to, and move on. Hopefully the lessons aren't going to be along the lines that helping others is a bad thing. But I think you're not the type to get all bitter and twisted...

[MVnut]

I have known Frosty for a lot of years and will trust him without question. One of the original good guys. Those who know me realise to get trusted / respected like this you have to earn it !! I'm a hard bastard (one of my good points) ...........and, all in all, very pissed off at certain others at the moment, but you know what they say Frosty 'only the good die young'. Just be happy you're a better 'motorcyclist' than your detractors.I suppose I have to:dodge:now

[Motu]

When this story first broke I knew there was more to it - there always is when people with limited mechanical knowledge complain.Then I spoke to Frosty in person and got his side of the story....the real story.Then I could read the thread in a different light.

When I used to look after your van Frosty,you could have hung me to dry on these forums many times with the things that went wrong with it.But you have good mechanical knowledge (I know you were a mechanic) and know being an older vehicle that things are bound to go wrong,even things I just so called fixed....it's just the nature of the game,and you know that.But instead you praise me over the forum,thank's.

Paul now knows the full extent of the condition of the bike - he knows that no mechanic giving it a quick appraisal would have a clue as to the full extent of the problems in wait.He knows that no bike shop would have a hope in hell of sending it out the door running well in top condition for just a couple of hundred bucks,and whatever unfortunate bikeshop got the job would of been hung to dry on these forums.Lucky for them no one got the job.

You don't have to explain yourself to me Frosty - but I'd never buy a car off you!!! :whistle:

[jrandom]

Tony, you have the unreserved support of the majority of KBers. The comments posted so far make that pretty clear.

I wasn't there for any of the 'issues' that have been mentioned, but I do know you're one of the good guys, always have been.

I don't know anything about the reasons behind your being fired as mod, but I wonder whether 'some folk' are forgetting the real-world meaning of what goes on via KB. It shouldn't be all about grammar and spelling and things staying rigidly on-topic. Out here there are people with real bikes and real hassles who just want to get on with their motorcycling, and you've always done shitloads to support that.

I also have no doubt that following your explanation, here, many of us have lost some respect for Miss Str8 Jacket. I know I have.

If she wishes to respond to your public statements here, I'm sure we'll read what she has to say, but I suspect that when we see her as a foolish, self-absorbed woman with no understanding of what she's dealing with when it comes to motorcycles, we're quite correct.

Don't disappear or let this shit get you down, Tony. There's too much good stuff to be done and fun to be had.

[Mr Merde]

.....
I also have no doubt that following your explanation, here, many of us have lost some respect for Miss Str8 Jacket. I know I have.

.......


I join with you here .

For somone who has only had a learners licence since June 2005 to moderating a forum of bikers in Nov 2007.

2 years of riding gives someone enough experience of the world of bikers to enable them to decide what they should or should not do, think and especially say. My the world has changed. From asking for advice to deciding relevance in 2 short years.

[MVnut]

Tony, you have the unreserved support of the majority of KBers. The comments posted so far make that pretty clear.

I wasn't there for any of the 'issues' that have been mentioned, but I do know you're one of the good guys, always have been.

I don't know anything about the reasons behind your being fired as mod, but I wonder whether 'some folk' are forgetting the real-world meaning of what goes on via KB. It shouldn't be all about grammar and spelling and things staying rigidly on-topic. Out here there are people with real bikes and real hassles who just want to get on with their motorcycling, and you've always done shitloads to support that.

I also have no doubt that following your explanation, here, many of us have lost some respect for Miss Str8 Jacket. I know I have.

If she wishes to respond to your public statements here, I'm sure we'll read what she has to say, but I suspect that when we see her as a foolish, self-absorbed woman with no understanding of what she's dealing with when it comes to motorcycles, we're quite correct.

Don't disappear or let this shit get you down, Tony. There's too much good stuff to be done and fun to be had.

That's summing it up pretty well:clap::clap::clap:

[Str8 Jacket]

The bike was purchased by str8 jacket -over the phone and I must say based on my I believe honest assesment of the bike that it was Mint for its age.
EVERY PENNY she paid me went to said freind

I had the bike checked for a WOF which it passed with no issues
I was asked toorganise a mechanical inspection
I did indeed unquestionably make a mistake in not telling the buyer NOT to come up to auckland.
I had run out of time to organise a FULL mechanical inspection -I had a mechanic look the bike over but it was no more than a peer around with a torch and a quick ride.


Tony, my problem with you was solely because you blatently lied to me and told me that you had got a full prepurchase check done. You told me on SO MANY occasions before I flew up to Akld to get the bike that you had got this done. I even offered to organise someone to come and pick it up from your place and I was prepared to pay ALL COSTS involved but you assured me so many times that it was done and that everything was sweet, I mean I rang you every second day I was so excited bout the bike! At the time I was going out with MrMelon and he heard all of this as well.

When I picked the bike up of you and asked for the paperwork for the inspection you said that you had left it at home but would send it to me. Another problem I had was that after I had flown to Auckland from Wellington the bike had absolutely NO petrol in it and was pretty much empty of oil. The chain was falling of the bike and the sprockets were fucked. Yes I probably should have checked all this beore I left Akld but genuinely though that you were a good guy and I did trust you. Also the bike had no registration label on it and when I went to the post shop it was going to expire in a day or two.... Yes you rectified this and paid for it but you are a car sales man and should have sorted this.

Literally the day after I got back to Wgtn I had to crash start the bike every day. I paid a 3000 for the bike and as it fell apart more and more I then spent another 3000+ on it. The reason I am so f*cked of about the situation is purely because you lied about the prepurchase and never admitted that you had not done it until I posted the"infamous thread". Which made me believe that you may have known that the bike was f*cked. f you had have actually got a prepuchase done as you said you had then I wouldve have just thought I had bought an "old bike" not have been ripped off! I am still paying off this bike and will be for another 5 years that is whay it annoys me. That and you never apologised for lieing to me. This is a good start.

[Storm]

Frosty mate, in the words of Barry Crump, "You're a good keen man"
Please dont let some of the politics and associated crud get you down. Keep up the good work

[Grahameeboy]

Tony, my problem with you was solely because you blatently lied to me and told me that you had got a full prepurchase check done. You told me on SO MANY occasions before I flew up to Akld to get the bike that you had got this done. I even offered to organise someone to come and pick it up from your place and I was prepared to pay ALL COSTS involved but you assured me so many times that it was done and that everything was sweet, I mean I rang you every second day I was so excited bout the bike! At the time I was going out with MrMelon and he heard all of this as well.

When I picked the bike up of you and asked for the paperwork for the inspection you said that you had left it at home but would send it to me. Another problem I had was that after I had flown to Auckland from Wellington the bike had absolutely NO petrol in it and was pretty much empty of oil. The chain was falling of the bike and the sprockets were fucked. Yes I probably should have checked all this beore I left Akld but genuinely though that you were a good guy and I did trust you. Also the bike had no registration label on it and when I went to the post shop it was going to expire in a day or two.... Yes you rectified this and paid for it but you are a car sales man and should have sorted this.

Literally the day after I got back to Wgtn I had to crash start the bike every day. I paid a 3000 for the bike and as it fell apart more and more I then spent another 3000+ on it. The reason I am so f*cked of about the situation is purely because you lied about the prepurchase and never admitted that you had not done it until I posted the"infamous thread". Which made me believe that you may have known that the bike was f*cked. f you had have actually got a prepuchase done as you said you had then I wouldve have just thought I had bought an "old bike" not have been ripped off! I am still paying off this bike and will be for another 5 years that is whay it annoys me. That and you never apologised for lieing to me. This is a good start.

Only you 2 know what happened. Remember he was trying to help you out and he did pay for the things to be rectified so what is the issue.

Maybe you just misunderstood things?

Calling someone a liar is pretty bad and at worst it just sounds like there was a misunderstanding here. You are basically telling Frosty to apologise for lieing which in itself is very arrogant

It was a misunderstanding by the sounds of it. Frosty paid for stuff to be fixed. What's the problem, move on.

Sorry

[Fatjim]

There's obviously 2 sides to the story here.

You Auckland guys are well impressed with Frosty's willingness to help you guys out, tis a great thing.

Helen's pissed off that she was a lied to, tis another thing.

[Fatjim]

Only you 2 know what happened. Remember he was trying to help you out and he did pay for the things to be rectified so what is the issue.

Maybe you just misunderstood things?

Calling someone a liar is pretty bad and at worst it just sounds like there was a misunderstanding here. You are basically telling Frosty to apologise for lieing which in itself is very arrogant

It was a misunderstanding by the sounds of it. Frosty paid for stuff to be fixed. What's the problem, move on.

Sorry

Doesn't sound to me like a case of a simple misunderstanding. Someone was asked a simple question, and the answer was not only untrue, but a lie.

If you guys want to start voicing you support for Frosty here, and i commend you for your loyalty to someone who has done so much, you are going to open a few wounds as well.

This is one stone better left unturned.

[jrandom]

Tony, my problem with you...

Take some responsibility, ma'am.

The bike wasn't Tony's; he knew no more about it than you did. He's a very busy man (believe me!) who was acting as a go-between to arrange a deal between you and another acquaintance of his.

He put a fair amount of effort into sorting those things out, and when you whinged and bleated and tried to get him to give you the kind of service that one would expect from a bike shop charging you twice the price and creaming a profit out of it, he bent over backwards, paid to fix the consumables on the bike, even offered you a full refund.

Did he make a cent of profit off that sale price? Did you pay him a single dollar, a single box of beer, in return for the hours he put into hooking you up with the seller and then making sure that the bike was WOF-worthy and ran OK?

The situation with the 'prepurchase' is very much a "he said, she said" situation, as far as I can tell. Accusaties of 'lies' are far too easily thrown about, in my experience. What I want to know is why you failed to call an Auckland bike shop, book it in for the check, and then arrange for Tony or someone else to take it there (not to mention paying whoever did the running-around for their time).

If you didn't do the above, then you must take responsibility for any work needing to be done on the bike after you bought it. Sorry, Tony didn't make any profit, he's not a bike shop; he doesn't owe you any duty of care.

This is the real world. Harden the fuck up.

[jrandom]

Doesn't sound to me like a case of a simple misunderstanding. Someone was asked a simple question, and the answer was not only untrue, but a lie.

He said, she said. Perhaps you think that Helen is infallable and would never hysterically misrepresent a situation. Personally, my experience is that many women often do. (Heck, many men, even.)

He said, she said.

I give no weight or credence to such things.

All I know is, I'm hearing someone complain because someone did something for them for free that didn't quite live up to bike-shop warranty standards. Well, tough shit. If you want that level of assurance, you pay for it.

[Grahameeboy]

Doesn't sound to me like a case of a simple misunderstanding. Someone was asked a simple question, and the answer was not only untrue, but a lie.

If you guys want to start voicing you support for Frosty here, and i commend you for your loyalty to someone who has done so much, you are going to open a few wounds as well.

This is one stone better left unturned.

Agree, nothing worse that when I was climbing in Scotland.....to look under a stone and find someone else had already had a dump first.

My point is I did not know who had done the dump...............

[Grahameeboy]

He said, she said. Perhaps you think that Helen is infallable and would never hysterically misrepresent a situation. Personally, my experience is that many women often do. (Heck, many men, even.)

He said, she said.

I give no weight or credence to such things.

All I know is, I'm hearing someone complain because someone did something for them for free that didn't quite live up to bike-shop warranty standards. Well, tough shit. If you want that level of assurance, you pay for it.

Geeze, I am gonna have to agree with you on this one...well except the women bit...

[Disco Dan]

Frosty - I have known you since you helped me get into my second car a fair few years ago now..(be at least 5 years ago) way before I even started riding. Even then you talked about bikes have always been a top bloke. I'm always referring people to you for cars ..although that got tricky when you moved yards for a bit! :whistle:

The amount of times you have helped me out, the amount of advice and kind words you have given me... Then I look at all the other people posting up how much you have helped them...

Frosty your a top bloke - KB needs you. Bikers need you.

Dont let other peoples negativity infect you - they will get what they deserve if they have done wrong. Just like when you do good things for others - good things happen to you. Natural balance.

Oh and remember.. im just at the bottom of the hill from you if you ever need someone to pass you spanners!!! ;)

[Grahameeboy]

Take some responsibility, ma'am.

The bike wasn't Tony's; he knew no more about it than you did. He's a very busy man (believe me!) who was acting as a go-between to arrange a deal between you and another acquaintance of his.

He put a fair amount of effort into sorting those things out, and when you whinged and bleated and tried to get him to give you the kind of service that one would expect from a bike shop charging you twice the price and creaming a profit out of it, he bent over backwards, paid to fix the consumables on the bike, even offered you a full refund.

Did he make a cent of profit off that sale price? Did you pay him a single dollar, a single box of beer, in return for the hours he put into hooking you up with the seller and then making sure that the bike was WOF-worthy and ran OK?

The situation with the 'prepurchase' is very much a "he said, she said" situation, as far as I can tell. Accusaties of 'lies' are far too easily thrown about, in my experience. What I want to know is why you failed to call an Auckland bike shop, book it in for the check, and then arrange for Tony or someone else to take it there (not to mention paying whoever did the running-around for their time).

If you didn't do the above, then you must take responsibility for any work needing to be done on the bike after you bought it. Sorry, Tony didn't make any profit, he's not a bike shop; he doesn't owe you any duty of care.

This is the real world. Harden the fuck up.

That too.....................

[J_P]

Frosty, congratulations on being you, I am merely an observer, but had the fortune of meeting you once at a trackday. You blew me away with your motivation and enthusiasm towards the trackday and the KB community. Your generosity and integrity cannot be questioned, it is clear that you are a genuine guy with only the best intentions.
Str8 Jacket, I find your grudge against Frosty appalling... Your latest thread is worded in a way which blames Frosty for a lack of fuel in your bike, you also seem to blame him for the fact you have finance on the bike. Get real! Look at the real issues, not your issues. There was obviously an error made by Frosty in not getting the full inspection, which he admits and regrets, but at the same time it sounds like he acted in good faith to the best of his abilities. You got burnt and it was unfortunate, I do not see any reason in lynching Frosty, If Frosty leaves, it is a significant loss to the KB community.

[Grahameeboy]

Frosty, congratulations on being you, I am merely an observer, but had the fortune of meeting you once at a trackday. You blew me away with your motivation and enthusiasm towards the trackday and the KB community. Your generosity and integrity cannot be questioned, it is clear that you are a genuine guy with only the best intentions.
Str8 Jacket, I find your grudge against Frosty appalling... Your latest thread is worded in a way which blames Frosty for a lack of fuel in your bike, you also seem to blame him for the fact you have finance on the bike. Get real! Look at the real issues, not your issues. There was obviously an error made by Frosty in not getting the full inspection, which he admits and regrets, but at the same time it sounds like he acted in good faith to the best of his abilities. You got burnt and it was unfortunate, I do not see any reason in lynching Frosty, If Frosty leaves, it is a significant loss to the KB community.

+1...............I guess STR8JUMPER does not make mistakes............

[James Deuce]

All I know is an old piece of munt had the better part of $10000 waved at it to get it into a semblance of running order, including purchase price.

Paul bears Tony no ill will. Helen and Paul have both had a lot to deal with and still do. They both fall into the category of the 1 in 3 people who'll get or have Cancer. People you know. Cut them both a break, and stop pissing on the good work Paul's done around this whole nasty cock up.

Tony tried to do someone a favour and didn't cover his arse well enough - he has a lesson there to learn, and I betcha he's learned. He's not stupid.

Helen is Helen. Take her or leave her, but I'm pretty sure I would have reacted badly to the situation if I knew I was crook and the bike that was supposed to be therapy that I bought through a trusted friend (albeit a virtual friend) wasn't what I expected.

Paul took both these shitty situations and turned it into something extraordinarily generous, deeply educational, thoroughly inspiring (I know - I have a Katana 400 parked outside with a new WoF and me and nudemetalz did all the work. I wouldn't have even begun to try without Paul's inspiration), and for him, brilliantly therapeutic.

Now pick your toys up, put them back in the cot, and stop picking that scab.

[smoky]

He said, she said. Perhaps you think that Helen is infallable and would never hysterically misrepresent a situation. Personally, my experience is that many women often do. (Heck, many men, even.)

He said, she said.

I give no weight or credence to such things.

All I know is, I'm hearing someone complain because someone did something for them for free that didn't quite live up to bike-shop warranty standards. Well, tough shit. If you want that level of assurance, you pay for it.
Not that being gay is bad - but you obviously don't like women, and you're stickin up for your mate rather passionately.

Some times when things like this happen there are those who throw water on to cool things off, then there are those who pour on the petrol and in flame things.

Perhaps we should think about where this thread is going and what was the point of it, and how can we all contribute to a positive outcome? Sounds like Paul’s been trying to do just that

[Swoop]

All I know is, I'm hearing someone complain because someone did something for them for free that didn't quite live up to bike-shop warranty standards. Well, tough shit. If you want that level of assurance, you pay for it.
Certainly. If in doubt, go to a bikeshop and pay a bit more for peace of mind.

Not that being gay is bad - but you obviously don't like women, and you're stickin up for your mate rather passionately.
Fuck! He rides a Honda and NOT a spewzuki???
Who'd a thunk it!

[westie]

I bought a bike off Frosty recently for my friend.
He was very up front and honest about it. The sale went well.

Unfortunately I found myself in a similar position frosty was in. There was work needing to be done to the bike(as frosty had told me) and I was running shy on time to finish the bike. I had to leave it unfinished and get my own bike sorted.
I worked on it for free and gave my friend parts for the bike for free too.
Long story short .... My friend doesn't talk to me any more as she was very unhappy with me not finishing her bike sooner than later.:confused:

Its a bitch when you give your best and it just doesnt work out.

You are doing great things frosty, keep it up.

[skelstar]

I bet if all the people who hadn't met FROSTY and str8jacket would keep their unbounded opinions to themselves then there wouldn't be all this shit flinging. Obviously this is another thread that people like to pin their opinions on.

[Clivoris]

I consider Str8 to be a friend. I also consider Frosty to be someone who has done a lot for heaps of people and has earnt his reputation. I suspect that they both have good reason for how they are feeling and have truth in their positions. Sometimes things just leave a shit taste in the mouth. That's why we have sorbet.

[jrandom]

Fuck! He rides a Honda and NOT a spewzuki???

As a matter of fact, I have two spewzukis in my gargre at the moment.

Well, one's in bugjuice's gargre, with the engine out, but it's still mine.

And my flatmate has one, too, although it is not painted the One True Colour and only has half the proper number of cylinders.

Of course, smoky's right about me not liking women, but it's only an occasional thing. I don't hate all of them. Anyway, I never said I wouldn't fuck Str8 Jacket.

:)

Maybe Frosty would let me borrow his van again...

[98tls]

I bet if all the people who hadn't met FROSTY and str8jacket would keep their unbounded opinions to themselves then there wouldn't be all this shit flinging. Obviously this is another thread that people like to pin their opinions on. Well said that man.....shows over,move along please nothing to see hear.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Tony, my problem with you was solely because you blatently lied to me and told me that you had got a full prepurchase check done. You told me on SO MANY occasions before I flew up to Akld to get the bike that you had got this done. I even offered to organise someone to come and pick it up from your place and I was prepared to pay ALL COSTS involved but you assured me so many times that it was done and that everything was sweet, I mean I rang you every second day I was so excited bout the bike! At the time I was going out with MrMelon and he heard all of this as well.

When I picked the bike up of you and asked for the paperwork for the inspection you said that you had left it at home but would send it to me. Another problem I had was that after I had flown to Auckland from Wellington the bike had absolutely NO petrol in it and was pretty much empty of oil. The chain was falling of the bike and the sprockets were fucked. Yes I probably should have checked all this beore I left Akld but genuinely though that you were a good guy and I did trust you. Also the bike had no registration label on it and when I went to the post shop it was going to expire in a day or two.... Yes you rectified this and paid for it but you are a car sales man and should have sorted this.

Literally the day after I got back to Wgtn I had to crash start the bike every day. I paid a 3000 for the bike and as it fell apart more and more I then spent another 3000+ on it. The reason I am so f*cked of about the situation is purely because you lied about the prepurchase and never admitted that you had not done it until I posted the"infamous thread". Which made me believe that you may have known that the bike was f*cked. f you had have actually got a prepuchase done as you said you had then I wouldve have just thought I had bought an "old bike" not have been ripped off! I am still paying off this bike and will be for another 5 years that is whay it annoys me. That and you never apologised for lieing to me. This is a good start.


You where offered a refund and you turned it down. End of story and end of obligation. There was nothing more he could do.

[oldrider]

I know I have a choice of whether I read these threads/posts or not but does an Internet forum really need to have this sort of personal bullshit painted all over it?

Maybe it does have a place and I should just fuck off and read some place else but to us who are not involved it does look a bit childish and petty.

Like the Eagles say in their song "Get over it" it's all in the past, leave it there, move on!

Mrs O/r and I went for a fantastic ride today over Meyers Pass and through all the back roads around Waimate and the Waitaki valley.

170 miles of absolute magic!

Mrs O could have her way with me tonight, if she plays her cards right! I feel so gooooood! :wari: Cheers John.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Mrs O could have her way with me tonight, if she plays her cards right! I feel so gooooood! :wari: Cheers John.



And you had us beleiving you didn't have it in you anymore.

[Swoop]

I know I have a choice of whether I read these threads/posts or not but does an Internet forum really need to have this sort of personal bullshit painted all over it?
Unfortunately John, this is very similar to your sig. line. Apart from the elections of course.

Have a good shag!!

[Laava]

Mrs O could have her way with me tonight, if she plays her cards right! I feel so gooooood! :wari: Cheers John.
So what else are you using that new Pro-oiler for John?:laugh:

[zeocen]

Ahh, I love having KiwiBiker Street drama while eating a late breakfast while working.:love:

[jahrasti]

I don't know the circumstances of this particular incident but I bought Mella Yella of frosty last year. The bike was in as he said condition ( which was good). The only problem with the bike was the rider. It recently blew up due to splitting a hose and running dry. If this is Frosty's problem then DAMM that's what I call after sales service.:clap:
It is sad that this has happened, and even worse that said people were on both ends of the island.
On a side note has anyone ever been stung buy Tardme from buying something?.

[Mr Merde]

And you had us beleiving you didn't have it in you anymore.

Quite the reverse situation I would summise.

[Jorja]

If you want to ask how bad the bike was.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42317

[James Deuce]

*sigh*.

Do you REALLY want to get into that Jorja?

What needed to be done to that bike to get it sorted is REALLY well documented. With photos and everything.

[Str8 Jacket]

*sigh*.

Do you REALLY want to get into that Jorja?

What needed to be done to that bike to get it sorted is REALLY well documented. With photos and everything.

Dont worry about it Jim. Before I even left Wgtn on that bike I had spent over (another) $2000 on it just so I didnt have to crash start it every time I wanted to ride it! People have missed my point.... FROSTY told me that he had done a pre-purchase and that everything was sweet. He lied. I should have listened to those who told me not to trust him. I was stupid, not as stupid as people would like to think but stupid none the less....

[Grahameeboy]

Dont worry about it Jim. Before I even left Wgtn on that bike I had spent over (another) $2000 on it just so I didnt have to crash start it every time I wanted to ride it! People have missed my point.... FROSTY told me that he had done a pre-purchase and that everything was sweet. He lied. I should have listened to those who told me not to trust him. I was stupid, not as stupid as people would like to think but stupid none the less....

"Mind the Gap".....the Train is arriving at platform 1A...........please do not get off unless this is your stop

[smoky]

I bet if all the people who hadn't met FROSTY and str8jacket would keep their unbounded opinions to themselves then there wouldn't be all this shit flinging. Obviously this is another thread that people like to pin their opinions on.

It seems to me that those who know both of them - are the ones flinging the most shit around

[smoky]

On a side note has anyone ever been stung buy Tardme from buying something?.

Last year I purchased a bike from Trademe, off a guy in Tauranga

Turned out to be a bad purchase, I think the clock had been rewound and a few other bits and pieces were not as he represented them to be – I have had to spend a shit load on it and it was off the road for over 6 months.
I just put the whole experience down to my poor judgement.
No use getting twisted and outa shape about it, shit happens.

[westie]

Last year I purchased a bike from Trademe, off a guy in Tauranga

Turned out to be a bad purchase, I think the clock had been rewound and a few other bits and pieces were not as he represented them to be – I have had to spend a shit load on it and it was off the road for over 6 months.
I just put the whole experience down to my poor judgement.
No use getting twisted and outa shape about it, shit happens.

Agree!
I have had my fair share and a half of buyers remorse too.
But hey I made the decision to buy it.
Personal responsibility goes out the window when there is someone to blame/bully

[smoky]

Any one want to buy a cheap VX 800 :angry: