KTM Capital Coast Adventure 2008

[warewolf]

Woo hoo! It's on again, Sat 26th April 2008. Info has just been released, see the KB calendar event (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=1460&day=2008-4-26) and the CCA web site (http://ccadv08.blogspot.com/2007/09/home.html). This is the middle day of the ANZAC long weekend, so no excuses about getting time off...

This is a legendary ride and the after-match function ain't too shabby either! :apint:

Definitely a "must do" on the adventure calendar, don't wait for the next one 'cos it's only run every couple of years.

Entry form attached in post 74 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1370143#post1370143), cheers cooneyr.

[cooneyr]

Oh wifey :baby: I'm not going to be in the Sth Island on Anzac weekend. (please please please can I go!!!!!!)

Working on getting myself there already. :woohoo:

Cheers R

[Rosie]

I've pencilled it in, now my adventure training has begun in earnest :sunny:

I'll make sure I don't park next to Clint though, he seems to end up in a lot of photos :shit:

[young1]

Blow it! All going well I plan to be in Nepal in April.

However if for any reason that doesn't happen......

[clint640]

Woo Hoo! I hope 4Skins is gunna give me a discount on the entry for all my modelling & photography work on the CCA site :bleh:

Actually, given that the new 690 Enduro should be hitting our shores about then I think it's only fair that the sponsors provide me with one for the weekend, It would be far more photogenic than the dirty ol' 640 :cool:

Obviously the scenic route down will be taken, how about the Northern crew meet up at Ohakune for lunch on the Friday, then take in a diversion down the Whangaehu or Turakina valleys then ?? on to Plimmerton? Alternate suggestions welcome of course, maybe a better route could be put together down the East side (hint hint Zukin :msn-wink:)

Cheers
Clint

[PLUG]

YAHHH FUCKIN WHOOOO :banana::Punk::woohoo: ... been waitin dam near two years for this ...

[Transalper]

My helmet camera and I will have a bit of a think about it, being in the middle of a 3 day weekend is an incentive, but it'll be the cost that's my issue, half of my money tree forest seems to have fallen over in the last few years.

[merv]

I'll be there. :woohoo:

Here's last times write up and photos http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=27185

[Crisis management]

Thanks for the heads up Warewolf, I'll check the calendar and the high commander.....

I'm going to need more than one day to get down there tho!

[Transalper]

Ok, that's enough thinking, I'm in too.
Bit hard to take time off at that time of year so best long range plan for me will be ride up and catch the boat on Friday, catch the boat again and ride home on Sunday.
If those days are going to work in with any other South Island riders plans and we can get on the same boats then that will be great.

Cooneyr you do what ever it takes man.

[cooneyr]

Ok, that's enough thinking, I'm in too.
Bit hard to take time off at that time of year so best long range plan for me will be ride up and catch the boat on Friday, catch the boat again and ride home on Sunday.
If those days are going to work in with any other South Island riders plans and we can get on the same boats then that will be great.

Cooneyr you do what ever it takes man.

I'll be aiming for the same plan i.e. Up Friday back Sunday. No time of work makes it more likely. Would rather go up early and back late and maybe do a ride or two around the Welly while there if somebody local will take us exploring or tell us where to go (not that that way!).

Cheers R

[Transalper]

...Would rather go up early and back late and maybe do a ride or two around the Welly while there if somebody local will take us exploring or tell us where to go (not that that way!).

Cheers R
How much exploring you think there will be left to do after the main event?

Anyone able to give us an estimate of the big days distance for budgeting purposes?

[buggsubique]

Ahh, my local playground! Awesome riding :eek:, thoroughly recommended :niceone:. Shame I won't be up here for it (moving to Blenheim) but I might make the trip back over.

[clint640]

How much exploring you think there will be left to do after the main event?

Anyone able to give us an estimate of the big days distance for budgeting purposes?

The ride doesn't stray far from Welly, so a burn over the Rimutakas & a look down around Palliser Bay would make a good extra.

Last time the ride was a bit over 200km, which doesn't sound like much but it certainly worked out to be a full days riding & sightseeing.

Cheers
Clint

[cooneyr]

Seems I'm in but I'm not booking anything till next year. Things might come up that mean I cant go.

As for local exploring - I'm sure the locals will come up with something i.e. BusaJims Akatarawa adventure or Clints Palliser Bay or similar.

Cheers R

[tri boy]

Keen to do this. Turakina etc sounds good also.:niceone:

[Cary]

Obviously the scenic route down will be taken, how about the Northern crew meet up at Ohakune for lunch on the Friday, then take in a diversion down the Whangaehu or Turakina valleys then ?? on to Plimmerton? Alternate suggestions welcome of course, maybe a better route could be put together down the East side (hint hint Zukin :msn-wink:)

Cheers
Clint

Clint, your route down be ok for my Tiger :blip:

[Big Dave]

>>and the CCA web site (http://ccadv08.blogspot.com/2007/09/home.html). <<

Why izz there a foto of me with all those orange bike tossers????? :whistle:

[merv]

>>and the CCA web site (http://ccadv08.blogspot.com/2007/09/home.html). <<

Why izz there a foto of me with all those orange bike tossers????? :whistle:

What colour bike will the legend Big Dave be riding in the 2008 addition then?

I'll still be on my trusty blue WR.

[clint640]

Clint, your route down be ok for my Tiger :blip:

Tiger eh? c'mon, pics & details please :yes:

Yep, that route will be fully Tiger friendly. Turakina Rd is just narrow windy gravel.

Dave, this may be bringing back repressed memories, but IIRC you actually WERE an 'orange bike tosser' for parts of last years CCA :lol:

Cheers
Clint

[warewolf]

Why izz there a foto of me with all those orange bike tossers????? :whistle:Big Dave, the KTM groupie! :lol:

Don't fret, I'm sure you'll be able to blag another stint on orange at this one, too.

[Jimmy]

G'day Clint. Will see you there. And no more Blue for me either, having taken delivery of the latest Orange enduro 2 weeks ago!!

[Big Dave]

Dave, this may be bringing back repressed memories, but IIRC you actually WERE an 'orange bike tosser' for parts of last years CCA :lol:

Cheers
Clint

Coises - twice if you count Warewolf's back to base.

[Big Dave]

What colour bike will the legend Big Dave be riding in the 2008 addition then?


Hopefully I'll blag something.
Or I'll put knobbies on my T'bird.
Don't need no steenkin ADV bike.

[Oscar]

Olga, the itinerant Ship’s Cook and “Comfort Lady” abandons her post in the crew quarters the Russian Research Ship, steals a KTM and makes good her escape…

[Oscar]

Olga is later spotted attempting to ply her “trade” with gullible locals…
She is seen here describing the dubious pleasures to be found in Cabin 36Z.

[Oscar]

Much later Olga stumbles across a motorcycle of such crude design and styling that she mistakes it for a Mikoyen Proletariat, (proud product of Ural Tractor Factory #34) and feeling homesick, steals it.
She is shown here fleeing toward Helengrad and succor in the womb of the Socialist Heroes in the NZ Gummint.

[tri boy]

Oh, your good.:laugh:

[merv]

Olga, the itinerant Ship’s Cook and “Comfort Lady” abandons her post in the crew quarters the Russian Research Ship, steals a KTM and makes good her escape…


.... and I thought that was John Travolta in NZ http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=46278

[warewolf]

Or I'll put knobbies on my T'bird.
Don't need no steenkin ADV bike.:2thumbsup That's the spirit!

It would be interesting to see how a (semi-)knobby-shod T'bird would stack up against the scrambler. Is the pretender to the throne really that much better at that kind of work than the old hack??

[Cary]

Tiger eh? c'mon, pics & details please :yes:

Yep, that route will be fully Tiger friendly. Turakina Rd is just narrow windy gravel.

Cheers
Clint

Well, coulda got a 25000k 950 or new Tiger with panniers inc for same $$, was keen on the 950 but Tiger sounded ok after a bit of research.

Going to S.I with Andy in Feb for couple weeks so should be well sorted after that:yes:

Only done 800k on Tiger so far but doesn't seem too bad on the gravel, bit more to pull up. Nice having a bit of power again to.

[tri boy]

I really want to add a "Tigga" to the stable. Hopefully a early Steamer model, (circa 94-95) someday.
I'm probably soft in the head, but those ones have a certain style I like. And the engine is a detuned example thats in my Daytona. Bulletproof.

You have fine taste sir.:2thumbsup

[Big Dave]

Only done 800k on Tiger so far but doesn't seem too bad on the gravel, bit more to pull up. Nice having a bit of power again to.

I've even done the capital coast on the same bike - and a Strom - put some TKCs on it and you'll have a blast.

[pete376403]

Looking forward to it - hopefully by then there will be another '08 KLR650 owner in Wellington I can swap lies with...

[Cary]

I've even done the capital coast on the same bike - and a Strom - put some TKCs on it and you'll have a blast.

Was thinking of that, bit of a must for capital coast ride is it??

[RedKLR650]

Oh wifey :baby: I'm not going to be in the Sth Island on Anzac weekend. [SIZE="1"](please please please can I go!!!!!!)/SIZE]
Working on getting myself there already. :woohoo:
Cheers R

It appears I too may finally have a free weekend so could be a starter to head up with them there southern boys..... :banana:

Stu :2thumbsup

[Big Dave]

Was thinking of that, bit of a must for capital coast ride is it??

yes. or some other sort of similar f***-off knobby.
The one I did it on must have been 05 - wire wheels - but still should be cool.

[clint640]

Was thinking of that, bit of a must for capital coast ride is it??

Nice bike, I reckon the Tiger is a much better buy than the R-GS Beemers. I've met a couple of guys down south that were doing most of the same stuff that we were doing on our thumpers on Tigers & having a ball.

If it's dry you'd get around the main CCA loop on road-ish rubber no worries, but having knobs on means you'll also have fun if it's wet, & will let you attack all the challenge loops as I know you'll want to. :woohoo:

Clint

[Garry.W]

Woo Hoo! I hope 4Skins is gunna give me a discount on the entry for all my modelling & photography work on the CCA site :bleh:

Actually, given that the new 690 Enduro should be hitting our shores about then I think it's only fair that the sponsors provide me with one for the weekend, It would be far more photogenic than the dirty ol' 640 :cool:

Obviously the scenic route down will be taken, how about the Northern crew meet up at Ohakune for lunch on the Friday, then take in a diversion down the Whangaehu or Turakina valleys then ?? on to Plimmerton? Alternate suggestions welcome of course, maybe a better route could be put together down the East side (hint hint Zukin :msn-wink:)

Cheers
Clint

Be good to catch up with you again Clint. See you there :woohoo:

[merv]

FYI here's a copy of my GPS track from the 2006 event plotted on Google http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78083&d=1196127998

I'm sure 4skins will find some different territory for us this time but its fun no matter where we go.

[pete376403]

what is the significance of the different track colours?

[merv]

what is the significance of the different track colours?

Someone gave me the link to the free trackmaker thingy you could use with Google and it just puts a different colour for each recording so when I've stopped and turned the GPS off and then restarted it once we've got going again it shows it differently.

On the Mapsource program that came with the Garmin it stays the one colour but I can't seem to export those files to Google without paying for Google Earth Plus so the freebie program it is.

[NordieBoy]

On the Mapsource program that came with the Garmin it stays the one colour but I can't seem to export those files to Google without paying for Google Earth Plus so the freebie program it is.
Tried gpsbabel?

[Big Dave]

Super col:

[tri boy]

Oooh, a chance to ride some Orange beasties:niceone:.
I'm so there:2thumbsup.
But who will want to straddle the Scrambler:confused:.

[cooneyr]

Super col:

Pornstar Col on his shiny bike (sorry cant leave the shiny bike bit alone :rofl:)

Bring on Anzac weekend 08!

Cheers R

[Rosie]

Pornstar Col on his shiny bike

He's a pornstar? :shifty:

[Big Dave]

He's a pornstar? :shifty:

Cave man goes deep.

[warewolf]

But who will want to straddle the Scrambler:confused:.er, me?

Pornstar Col
Sounds like my new role will be straddling things?! :buggerd:

[warewolf]

Cave man goes deep.How long have you been waiting to use that line, eh?

Few years ago, the Taswegians hosted the annual caving conference, their official tag line was, "Longer! Harder! Deeper!" (Australia's Top 20 deepest caves are in Tassie.)

[tri boy]

[QUOTE=warewolf;1316705]er, me?

Okey Dokey.:done:

[clint640]

Oooh, a chance to ride some Orange beasties:niceone:.
I'm so there:2thumbsup.


'Kin A! :Punk: I would hereby like to reserve 1st go on the 690 Enduro if it's there, :) failing that I'll settle for a burn on a SuperEnduro.

Clint

[NordieBoy]

'Kin A! :Punk: I would hereby like to reserve 1st go on the 690 Enduro if it's there, :) failing that I'll settle for a burn on a SuperEnduro.

Clint

You just want to do a Pyndon style 5th gear burnout on the limiter :D

(This is the finish line at the Baja 1000)
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[cooneyr]

'Kin A! :Punk: I would hereby like to reserve 1st go on the 690 Enduro if it's there, :) failing that I'll settle for a burn on a SuperEnduro.

Clint

I'd fight you for one or the other but I'm afraid I have to sell my soul afterwards to own one :drool:

Cheers R

[chris]

I'll settle for a burn on a SuperEnduro.
How tall are you, Clint?

[warewolf]

How tall are you, Clint?Reckon he'll bring a step ladder if it gets him a ride...

[Oscar]

'Kin A! :Punk: I would hereby like to reserve 1st go on the 690 Enduro if it's there, :) failing that I'll settle for a burn on a SuperEnduro.

Clint

And yer about a week late.
I may give it to you after a tank of gas or so...

[clint640]

How tall are you, Clint?

Not quite tall enough (or good enough!) to seriously consider doing some of the stuff I do on the 640 on a SuperEnduro :( but that don't stop me lusting after one :lol: :drool: If funds allowed I'd park one next to my LC4 fer sure, but I'd be getting a supermoto setup for it & it'd probably stay in SM mode most of the time.

GarryW was kind (or silly?) enough to give me a blast on his HP2 a couple of months back which was feckin' cool, so I'm gagging for a go on KTM's version of the 100hp trailbike.

Cheers
Clint

[chris]

I'm gagging for a go on KTM's version of the 100hp trailbike
So you should be!! It's fantastic. Too tall, too much power etc etc but still fantastic.

[clint640]

And yer about a week late.
I may give it to you after a tank of gas or so...

Damn! 2nd go then? Pleease?

Be good to see you there. You gunna join in a bit of exploring on the way down?

Cheers
Clint

[Oscar]

Damn! 2nd go then? Pleease?

Be good to see you there. You gunna join in a bit of exploring on the way down?

Cheers
Clint

I'm always up fer that...

[mazz1972]

Dammit I was waiting for this to come around. Have holiday to Oz all booked.

BUGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hubby NOT impressed.

Roll on the next one....

[wayneg]

Looks like I'll have to dust off the postie bike then.....:banana:

[nigelp]

I am keen to go along for the ride! Looks like there may be a few from Chch going up to this!

With regards to the roller sheet holder thing, what size click clack box for you need to have? Looks pretty easy to make, but want to get the right size box so can fit in the route sheets.

[chris]

With regards to the roller sheet holder thing, what size click clack box for you need to have? Looks pretty easy to make, but want to get the right size box so can fit in the route sheets.
0.4L is the size and your first mission is to source one. They ain't easy to find, if at all.

[cooneyr]

I am keen to go along for the ride! Looks like there may be a few from Chch going up to this!

With regards to the roller sheet holder thing, what size click clack box for you need to have? Looks pretty easy to make, but want to get the right size box so can fit in the route sheets.

I'd go for the 0.9l one (http://www.clickclack.co.nz/cc/product.asp?productgroupID=366) meself. The Dusty Butt roll chart takes up most of the depth of the 0.9 one (though I managed to make it a bit smaller this year). A 0.6l (http://www.clickclack.co.nz/cc/product.asp?productgroupID=369) would probably be OK for most rides.

Couple of bits of advice don't get petrol on the clear lids (goes cloudy and very brittle) and tape the lids on as well as the clips (manage to loose one when doing a DB checking run).

Cheers R

[chris]

I'd go for the 0.9l one (http://www.clickclack.co.nz/cc/product.asp?productgroupID=366) meself. The Dusty Butt roll chart takes up most of the depth of the 0.9 one (though I managed to make it a bit smaller this year). A 0.6l (http://www.clickclack.co.nz/cc/product.asp?productgroupID=369) would probably be OK for most rides.


Cheers R
0.9L is probably a bit big? The 0.4L will take a couple of hundred instructions. Go here (http://www.adventurerides.co.nz/rsholder.htm) for details on how to make one.

[Big Dave]

I'm always up fer that...

See if you can find reality.

[chris]

Ask John how many route instructions there will be. That'll give you a good idea on what size you will need.

[Big Dave]

Ask John how many route instructions there will be. That'll give you a good idea on what size you will need.

Smallest one does it - Vege makes two rolls and swaps at lunch break.

[chris]

Vege makes twenty ham rolls and eats them at lunch break.
Fixed, allegedly.

[cooneyr]

0.9L is probably a bit big? The 0.4L will take a couple of hundred instructions. Go here (http://www.adventurerides.co.nz/rsholder.htm) for details on how to make one.

Yep for a "normal" day ride the 0.4 or 0.6 (much easier to source) is the way to go. The Dusty Butt is a 1000km adventure ride that is suppose to be done in under 24 hours so a few more instructions that normal and don't want to be changing rolls during the ride :D

Cheers R

[clint640]

0.4L is the size and your first mission is to source one. They ain't easy to find, if at all.

I've seen a few made from those similar 'Sistema' plastic containers. They didn't look quite as strong as the click-clack jobbies though.

When I made mine (out of a .6L click clack IIRC) I bent up some aluminium strip for the mount, riveted on another couple of bits that went up around the sides & drilled them for the rollers to run in - much stronger than just having a hole in the plastic & it'd be a good way of making any cheesier plastic boxes more serviceable.

Don't forget your scissors & sellotape at sign on either!

Cheers
Clint

[cooneyr]

Emailed 4skins, got the entry form, PDF'd it and here it is.

This post has been updated with the corrected entry form regarding fire extinguishers being mandatory.

Cheers R

[pete376403]

It would be good if the route sheets were downloadable in .pdf format a week before the event. That would allow prep of the strips without the panic of trying to do them on the day,

[Big Dave]

It would be good if the route sheets were downloadable in .pdf format a week before the event. That would allow prep of the strips without the panic of trying to do them on the day,

Doing the route sheets is part of the Friday Night ritual.

Send a representative to the evening ride briefing and join the camaraderie of the sellotape and hard liquior.

[svs]

maybe a dumb question, but how do i tell if my bike has a spark arrestor?

standard exhaust etc. so i wouldn't have thought there'd be an issue, but how do you tell?

[cooneyr]

maybe a dumb question, but how do i tell if my bike has a spark arrestor?

standard exhaust etc. so i wouldn't have thought there'd be an issue, but how do you tell?

Anything stamped on the can? My DR650 is yanky spec (minus the epa crap) but has a forestry service approved spark arrester built in. Speaking of which I need to clean it.

Cheers R

[Big Dave]

I think it's a great question!

My Buell has it on page 1 of the owner's manual - 'NOT FITTED'

[Oscar]

maybe a dumb question, but how do i tell if my bike has a spark arrestor?

standard exhaust etc. so i wouldn't have thought there'd be an issue, but how do you tell?

Usually stamped on the muffler somewheres.
Some ref. to USFS complaint.

[igor]

I'm always up fer that...

any rooom on ya trailer for me

[Oscar]

any rooom on ya trailer for me

Sometimes the trailer goes on gravel.
I'm not sure either you or your bike are ready for that.

[igor]

firk that. i might get dust on my bike

[K slider]

0.4L is the size and your first mission is to source one. They ain't easy to find, if at all. Forskins has some I think or I have seen old stock at Moore Wilsons.

[nigelp]

So have any of the crew from down south booked their ferries yet? Was wondering if I could tag along on the way up there!

[Transalper]

Nothing booked yet, saving $$$ first, but it might be time to group think about which ferry service etc. and what times soon to get this under way??

A quick look online and both BlueRidge (http://www.bluebridge.co.nz/bossweb/Step2.aspx) and InterIslander (http://www.interislander.co.nz/Default.aspx) are booking now for ANZAC weekend. Cheapest fairs on both show as $105 each way (1 adult and 1 Motorcycle). I no nothing about group bookings or discounts if such things exist. Interislander appears to have more sailing time options.

[NordieBoy]

I no nothing about group bookings or discounts if such things exist. Interislander appears to have more sailing time options.

MNZ discount thingy?

[cooneyr]

I recon the the 9.50 Interislander sailing is the one to go for. Bit of an early start (unless we go up the Thursday night and camp in which case we leave Picton earlier i.e. 8am on Bluebridge) but otherwise we cant get to Wellington till after 4pm and I'd like to have guided tour on the Friday arvo.

MNZ details here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7718) and quoted -


Just some useless info... If anyone is planning to or from Sth Island phone 0800878898 and quote GRPMNZ for a great ferry discount. This is the MNZ group booking code. Works if you are member or not! Up to you :ride:

Krusti's post is from January 2005 though so are these details still correct?

Cheers R

[nigelp]

I recon the the 9.50 Interislander sailing is the one to go for. Bit of an early start (unless we go up the Thursday night and camp in which case we leave Picton earlier i.e. 8am on Bluebridge) but otherwise we cant get to Wellington till after 4pm and I'd like to have guided tour on the Friday arvo.

Cheers R

Havent done that trip for ages, does it take about 4hrs (I have radar on my bike now:spanking:)? In that case leaving at 5am (ish)? I am keen to get up there by lunch time on Friday.

[cooneyr]

Havent done that trip for ages, does it take about 4hrs (I have radar on my bike now:spanking:)? In that case leaving at 5am (ish)? I am keen to get up there by lunch time on Friday.

Yep 5am start allowing for check in times. Could always leave Thursday night and camp in Kaikoura or somewhere.

Cheers R

[warewolf]

I tend to leave Nelson around 3:30-4:00pm to catch a 6pm sailing, puts me in WLG for 9pm. My plan was to do this Thursday night. Doesn't help you CHC fullers, unless you take a half-day sickie.

If you stay overnight, try to avoid Picton or at least pick your spot wisely. The traffic and freight trains rattling about at all hours don't make for the best night's sleep when you are geed up. The alternative is to get a late night sailing and sleep on the ferry plus more in WLG.

[cooneyr]

I tend to leave Nelson around 3:30-4:00pm to catch a 6pm sailing, puts me in WLG for 9pm. My plan was to do this Thursday night. Doesn't help you CHC fullers, unless you take a half-day sickie......

This mans a thinker but I'm not sure that an over night sailing is the best either given the potential to be setting up tents at 2am in the morning and waking everybody else up. :angry2:

Options for Thursday evening sailing are Bluebridge depart at 7pm (latest sailing) or Interislander 6.05pm or 10.05pm. The 7pm sailing (arrive welly around 10) means a depart Chch at 2pm and 6pm (arrive welly around 9) depart Chch around 1pm. The 6pm sailing appeals to me (whole day in welly) but means more cost as have to find somewhere to stay on the Thursday night.

Cheers R

[nigelp]

I am easy with whatever, preference would be Friday morning early start.

Just another query I have, I have looked at their website and found the following comment:
"Some of the new trails are slightly tougher than in past events. There’ll be no ‘helicopter hills’ in the event, but expect a few steeper hills, pasture and clay tracks - nothing a good set of Continental TKC80 tyres won’t overcome. But if you’re planning on riding a big bike on trail tyres or carrying a pillion, you’re asking for trouble (unless you have a few enduro trophies on the mantelpiece)."

I would class my E-07 tyres as "trail tyres" and I am definately not an enduro expert, you reckon they will do alright? Not really wanting to put anything else on just for this ride only....

[XF650]

I trust I can tag along with other Canterbury riders via the ferry.
Nigel - both timg & myself will be riding on EO7's as well. Sounds like lower tyre pressure & 14th sprocket might be necessary though.

[warewolf]

given the potential to be setting up tents at 2am in the morning and waking everybody else up.Wake 'em up at 5 when you leave or 2 when you arrive? Same diff. Besides, I'm sure arrangements can be made to minimise disruption.

[warewolf]

I would class my E-07 tyres as "trail tyres" and I am definately not an enduro expert, you reckon they will do alright? Not really wanting to put anything else on just for this ride only....No. Trust what John says. Put on a decent tyre and have a stress-free enjoyable day. Last time they threatened to turn away bikes with less than TKC80s or equivalents.


Nigel - both timg & myself will be riding on EO7's as well. Sounds like lower tyre pressure & 14th sprocket might be necessary though.No, that's what the enduro experts will do, you will still need the skills.

Just get a cheap road-legal knobby for the weekend, eg Kenda Trakmaster II. E-07s are a general purpose tyre that won't cut it for this ride. Whilst it is nice to have just one do-everything set-and-forget tyre, sometimes it is not the most appropriate solution.

[Big Dave]

I would class my E-07 tyres as "trail tyres" and I am definately not an enduro expert, you reckon they will do alright? Not really wanting to put anything else on just for this ride only....

More bluntly that Colin: The ride needs f***-off knobbies.

You can do it on a road bike, but it's got to have the tyres.

[NordieBoy]

I trust I can tag along with other Canterbury riders via the ferry.
Nigel - both timg & myself will be riding on EO7's as well. Sounds like lower tyre pressure & 14th sprocket might be necessary though.

Sounds like you should get some cheap tyres that you would have been happy going back up Porika with.

[XF650]

Sounds like you should get some cheap tyres that you would have been happy going back up Porika with.

Or take the DT230.

[Transalper]

Given the option I might do that... be nice if the CRF had an extended fuel range and road gear sometimes.

[timg]

Well that looks like it rules me out. XF650 & I were getting quite keen and excited, but this with the changed criteria (previously said something like it was suitable for all adventure bikes including large bikes and pillions) looks too much on the trail side of adventure riding for me. While the E07's are OK in the shingle I'm not really convinced they are right for me and the riding I do, and was considering slightly less aggressive tyres, not knobblies. How long will a set of TKC80's last me with 70% seal use? Can't afford additional sets of tyres at the moment and not sure I want to be bothered with several sets for different trips. Maybe when I win lotto there might be an XR250L in the garage...

[warewolf]

And remember we will probably do the valley section that has something like 27 stream crossings in 6km. It helps to have a bit of meat on your tyres for water crossings, if you cock it up you want to be able to get going again without assistance.

Spend the money on tyres now, or beer for your mates later! :apint:

[Big Dave]

How long will a set of TKC80's last me with 70% seal use?

Estimate 5,000km

[warewolf]

but this with the changed criteria (previously said something like it was suitable for all adventure bikes including large bikes and pillions) looks too much on the trail side of adventure riding for me.Criteria hasn't changed. It's always been OK for all adventure bikes... with the proviso that they have adventure tyres, not general purpose/trail tyres.


How long will a set of TKC80's last me with 70% seal use?Probably as long as they will last everyone else. That'd be a typical ratio, if not a bit high on the dirt side. Besides, TKC80s aren't much chop, IMHO: they're 50% more expensive to run than other tyres that perform better. Pays for their marketing campaigns, I guess.

[pete376403]

What is a cheapish TKC-80 lookalike that willl last at least for the day on a 190kg bike and would be suitable for this ride?

[Big Dave]

Of the expert off road riders that I know well - Colin is alone in his assessment of the TKCs

[warewolf]

What is a cheapish TKC-80 lookalike that willl last at least for the day on a 190kg bike and would be suitable for this ride?You will struggle to destroy any road-legal knobby over the 300km of the CCA. I'm sure it could be done, hell I'd like to watch!

My favourite is the Pirelli MT21. Other alternatives are the Mitas E-09, Dunlop D606, Michelin T63. The Kenda K760 Trakmaster II is a proper knobbie, pretty cheap but would require care on wet seal. There's quite a selection if you are going that aggressive.


Of the expert off road riders that I know well - Colin is alone in his assessment of the TKCsSome of the people that agree with me are in your group of experts. But hey, tyres like bikes are personal preference. Clouding the issue is that some TKC80s are more equal than others. The spacing on the 19"/17" models is much more open than on the 21"/18", so they don't even work the same way across different bikes.

Financially there is no doubt, the TKC80 runs at $5.30 per 100km, the Pirelli MT21 at $3.80, the Pirelli MT90 A/T at $2.30. Relative to tread block spacing, the TKC80 should be priced between those two Pirellis.

[clint640]

I run a TKC80 on the front, they last about 10-12000km. I really like 'em. Given that I use about 3 rears over that mileage, $250ish for a TKC rear ain't gunna happen, so I use a $160ish Pirelli MT70 on the back. I find it a good combo for what I do & it's what I ran on the last CCA ride with no problems.

I'm not sure about Colin's calculations for my application, I destroyed an MT21rear in 2000km which = $7/100km. MT70 = $4, MT90 $ I'd agree with, but they're not much shot on gravel after they're about 1/3 worn.

Cheers
Clint

[Big Dave]

I don't even ask Kerry how much tyres cost anymore. I've even gotten to the stage that I just say 'whatever he thinks' and hand over the visa.

At the moment I have some sort of road metzler on the rear. the days of it being real important to me are past. Sport/touring compounds all work much the same on the back.

Even on the dirt. An off-camber left-hander strewn with marbles is just as miserable on a road tyre as it is Syncs or Tourances. Some situations just need the square edge build your own berm profile.

Anyway - the TKCs - How well they work on the seal AND off it is my criteria.

Cost per knob ya knob!

[warewolf]

I'd rate the front TKC80 better than the rear, for sure.

You sound even harder on rears than I am. At $250 for a TKC80 (more than I paid) the TKC80 would likely cost you $11 / 100km!!

[warewolf]

the TKCs - How well they work on the seal AND off it is my criteria.Mine too, which is why they are so disappointing. They should be better than the MT21 on the seal - they aren't. They're easily worse in the gravel, and they cost shitloads more. Why would I bother with them??

Just take it as said I don't like 'em, and probably won't run them again unless somebody else pays for 'em.

[Big Dave]

I could not fault the performance of the TKCs on the Tiger that did the CCA. Truly was flawless performance - other than the rear being spent in the process of AKL - CCA - AKL.

Wet dry seal mud - same with the ones on the Scrambler.
Followed Oscars pressure settings and they lasted mucho longer.

If the opportunity presents I'll have a bash at the things you say - but only because you say - I got nuffink I can point at the TKCs

[tri boy]

Wet dry seal mud - same with the ones on the Scrambler.
Followed Oscars pressure settings and they lasted mucho longer.



I would appreciate the pressure setting recommendations if you can recall them Dave.
I've put a new rear, and putting a new fr TKC on Fatty for my sth island ride. It's going to involve seal/various gravel, and a bit of dirt riding.

I'm thinking ON Seal: R-32-34psi, fr 24-26psi

Gravel: Rear 25psi, Fr 22psi.

I will bang on Oscars trash can if you can't recall, but I still have anxiety moments from his displays on Sesame Street.:eek5:

[Big Dave]

I would appreciate the pressure setting recommendations if you can recall them Dave.
I've put a new rear, and putting a new fr TKC on Fatty for my sth island ride. It's going to involve seal/various gravel, and a bit of dirt riding.

I'm thinking ON Seal: R-32-34psi, fr 24-26psi

Gravel: Rear 25psi, Fr 22psi.

I will bang on Oscars trash can if you can't recall, but I still have anxiety moments from his displays on Sesame Street.:eek5:

It is a bit lost in the mists atchally. Best wake the grouch.

[clint640]

I'd rate the front TKC80 better than the rear, for sure.

You sound even harder on rears than I am. At $250 for a TKC80 (more than I paid) the TKC80 would likely cost you $11 / 100km!!

Yeah, trips with some of my mates can turn into a major thrash session on both gravel & tar, which shreds anything knobbly pretty quick. I don't think I'd deal to a TKC80 in 2k km though, I'd expect 4k or so.

My current MT70 is lasting really well however, the 3300km I've put on it in the last month have mostly been following Rosie at a more sedate pace.

Cheers
Clint

[warewolf]

I don't think I'd deal to a TKC80 in 2k km though, I'd expect 4k or so.I got 4k or (just) so. At the same rate you wore the MT21, I'd say you'd get 2250km.


at a more sedate pace.That'll do it every time. Probably doing wonders for your fuel economy, too!

[nerdneh]

Tyres each to their own ! I rode last CCA on V/STROM wearing Mitas E09s 20/25psi , she never once let go, but was a bit of a handful in sand & @ Devils Gate - Red Rocks. Big Dave rode with me on Scrambler- not sure wot boots. Last Morelys 6hr on KL 250 wore BFG Crossengos 15/18psi absolutely faultless on wet single trails, best DOT tyres have ever used over many years of trail riding. Cant wait for next CCA & all the company & fun it provides.

[nerdneh]

Mine too, which is why they are so disappointing. They should be better than the MT21 on the seal - they aren't. They're easily worse in the gravel, and they cost shitloads more. Why would I bother with them??

Just take it as said I don't like 'em, and probably won't run them again unless somebody else pays for 'em.

I agree with Warewolf & Big Dave TKC 80s overpriced & overrated , there is most certainly better options.

[warewolf]

Last Morelys 6hr on KL 250 wore BFG CrossengosSo is this you? (Nordieboy photo)

<img src=http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/dirt/20070923%20Morleys%206%20Hour%20Cross%20Country/slides/20070923-094630-000041.jpg>

I was running a Crossengo that day, too. Unfortunately the rear on the 200 is too small to fit on the 640, otherwise I'd have a ready supply of ex-race tyres that would work schweet on the adventure bike.

[NordieBoy]

So is this you?

That's the mighty Murray on the Sherpa all right :clap:

[nerdneh]

So is this you? (Nordieboy photo)

<img src=http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/dirt/20070923%20Morleys%206%20Hour%20Cross%20Country/slides/20070923-094630-000041.jpg>

I was running a Crossengo that day, too. Unfortunately the rear on the 200 is too small to fit on the 640, otherwise I'd have a ready supply of ex-race tyres that would work schweet on the adventure bike.

Yeah,circulating sedately on t little black nana bike, nursing a dislocating hip. You must have lapped me on a number of occasions Colin.

[nerdneh]

That's the mighty Murray on the Sherpa all right :clap:
Your a master with the camera Fran, dunno about subject matter !

[warewolf]

You must have lapped me on a number of occasionsPossibly but wouldn't have noticed, I was pretty focussed. The only passing manoeuvre I remember is when Chris Birch passed me at some downhill braking bumps. The bike did what looked like a full-lock vertical endo... and he kept going. :Punk:

[4skins]

I'm a big fan of the TKCs and have been using them for about 8 years now. I have had TKCs on my DR650, the Navigator 1000 and now my 990 Adventure and I spend about 80% of the time road riding. The cheaper tyres I have had are adequate in the dry, but they can be just plain scary in the wet.

Every TKC tyre I bought, I peeled off the orange sticker and stuck it on my workshop wall and there are 15 there now. In all the miles I have done on these tyres they have NEVER broken traction unexpectedly. The only skids theyve done were done deliberately.

Sure, as Colin points out, you'll get better performance in the gravel from a full knob and you'll also go pretty quick on the seal, but it's the margin of safety provided by the TKC that makes them worth the extra money. And when you break it down to a $ per hundred km, and factor in all the other consumable costs it's just peanuts we're talking here.

It's a no brainer really.

Re: pressures, I go high because low pressure = flex = heat = wear.
on the 990 rear 38lb , front 32lb
on the 650 rear 32lb , front 28lb
Sure, you'll get more grip with lower pressure, so you just have to compromise to get whatever outcome you prefer.

I get 6,000 - 7,000km on a rear on the 650 if I'm kind to them, and a bit less on the litre bike. Fronts 10k plus.

I run rimlocks on the 650 and will let pressures down to enduro levels *when required*, ie stuck in the mud, but I tend to avoid those sort of situations at this point in my career.

[tri boy]

Those PSI settings fall within what Oscar suggested for the Scrambler.;)
36 Rear, and 3oish front, and lower them only when required.
I guess the fat beast will only ocassionally be taken somewhere really sloppy/sandy but the Conti's give me a safe stable ride, so I think I can live with the price.
The Sahara3 rear is also a nice dual purpose tyre.
Can't decide on taking the triumph, or the Volty on the CC ride.
The Volty might be more fun.:cool:

[marks]

I may have missed this but how much of this ride is tar seal?

I have a fairly aggressive tire (non dot) on the back of the WR and it doesn't like seal much at all (I will trailer the bike to/from Plimmerton)

[Big Dave]

Can't decide on taking the triumph, or the Volty on the CC ride.
The Volty might be more fun.:cool:

Scrambler is hard going in the challenge loops.
Stretch kicked me off it for them.

[Oscar]

Scrambler is hard going in the challenge loops.
Stretch kicked me off it for them.

Yeah, the BAstid.
I couldnae get my hands on it fer long...

[Big Dave]

Yeah, the BAstid.
I couldnae get my hands on it fer long...

I would have preferred it too. Blardy KTM thingy.

[tri boy]

Been pottering around on Fatty on the back section, nudging over small retainer edges/old 1/2 sawn railway sleepers, and slow speed maneuvers through small trees (all on flat ground), and I have decided the scrambler needs at least one tooth less up front if its to tackle some mildly gnarly stuff.
It's too highly geared for slow speed control, so will bring a smaller sprocket with me.:yes:
Obviously I was wearing all the correct riding gear, gumboots, singlet, an khaki shorts.:Oops:

[Crisis management]

Brent, try holding constant revs (@2k) and slipping the clutch for control, I've found this works for me and I have the same problem, slightly too high a gearing at present.....

Interesting comments on the TKC's, I've been happy with my set but was thinking of the M21 Pirelli rear when replacement comes around just to save $100. Maybe I'm just a tight arse?
I'll try the higher pressures 4skins suggests and see how the DR likes it.

[Oscar]

Brent, try holding constant revs (@2k) and slipping the clutch for control, I've found this works for me and I have the same problem, slightly too high a gearing at present.....

Interesting comments on the TKC's, I've been happy with my set but was thinking of the M21 Pirelli rear when replacement comes around just to save $100. Maybe I'm just a tight arse?
I'll try the higher pressures 4skins suggests and see how the DR likes it.

I've got MT21's on my 640, and I'd highly recommend them.
I run TKC's on the 950 but I think for the lighter bike, they're overkill.

[4skins]

I may have missed this but how much of this ride is tar seal?

I have a fairly aggressive tire (non dot) on the back of the WR and it doesn't like seal much at all (I will trailer the bike to/from Plimmerton)

I'll tell you at the riders briefing, dunno yet. Prolly about 40 % tarseal (in terms of distance) less in time. You'll be so blown away by the views and the dirt sections, you won't even notice the seal.

Of the off-road sections, more than half of it is brand new tracks, yeah true! More Belmont regional Park, some new Wellington City Council turf and even some DOC estate (fingers crossed, I find out next week).

I've made some pretty bold promises in terms of expected rider behaviour to gain permission for these sections so you's better listen up and obey on the day or I'll loose my nuts. (Oh that's right I already did (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25973&highlight=%22shaving+nuts%22)) but you know what I mean!

[merv]

I'll be there. :woohoo:

Here's last times write up and photos http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=27185


Just repeating this now I'm back home and see this thread has a bit of interest. Getting closer now - I'll be there alright :2thumbsup

Should be good to meet a few more of you South Islanders.

[marks]

I've made some pretty bold promises in terms of expected rider behaviour to gain permission for these sections so you's better listen up and obey on the day or I'll loose my nuts.

we'll all be on our bestest behavior

[cooneyr]

Ferry booking confirmed :D Dum dee doo - new MNZ details (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/News2.aspx?ArticleId=1274). Cost $146 instead of $210 (cheapest web price). DO IT NOW though as MNZ current details only good till 31 Jan!

Plan for Transalper, El Scooto and myself is leave Chch Thurs at around 1800, camping around Kaikoura or similar on the Thursday night, 0950 sailing Fri, hopefully Welly boys show us round Friday arvo, CCA Sat, :apint:, camp at school, late start Sunday morning, 1415 sailing, home round 2200. Others most welcome to join in.

Welly here I come!

Cheers R

[Transalper]

It is done.... next job will be to send an entry for the event itself.

[gunnyrob]

Can you do the basic ride (with NO challenge loops) on a Bmw R1200GS with dual purpose tyres? Would want to take my 11 Y.o. son too.

[merv]

Can you do the basic ride (with NO challenge loops) on a Bmw R1200GS with dual purpose tyres? Would want to take my 11 Y.o. son too.

Not sure if 4skins is going to see this and answer you, but based on previous rides I'd say yes. Many people take pillions and get around OK.

[Transalper]

.... on a Bmw R1200GS with dual purpose tyres?...You might have to clarify... Dual Purpose tyres, we all have our own version of them... which ones are yours? They are recommending nothing less than TKC80 or equivalent. So how do yours compare?
I'm using Dunlop D606s and I call them dual purpose tyres too.

[gunnyrob]

Michelin anakees.....

My GS also has cast wheels, not spokes.

[Big Dave]

Michelin anakees.....



IMO you would need to be a fit, strong, 8.5/10 rider and hope it stays dry.

95% of it would be fine - although foreskins told me there are more clay trails this year.
but there are some really steep downhills that I had to inch a Tiger down when solo and TKC'd

[Big Dave]

The entry form is on the dowloads page at www.kiwirider.co.nz now.

[Cary]

Michelin anakees.....

My GS also has cast wheels, not spokes.

My Tiger has same and after reading up on ride if I do CCA i'm gonna get WR registered & take that. From what i've read, TKC's would be a must.


IMO you would need to be a fit, strong, 8.5/10 rider and hope it stays dry.

95% of it would be fine - although foreskins told me there are more clay trails this year.
but there are some really steep downhills that I had to inch a Tiger down when solo and TKC'd

And thats on a borrowed mount (lucky bugger :niceone:) Think I'll leave my Tiger at home for this ride, what was it the old man says, RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB :msn-wink:

[Big Dave]

My Tiger has same and after reading up on ride if I do CCA i'm gonna get WR registered & take that. From what i've read, TKC's would be a must.



And thats on a borrowed mount (lucky bugger :niceone:) Think I'll leave my Tiger at home for this ride, what was it the old man says, RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB :msn-wink:

Can't argue that the WR is a better tool for the CCA.

The Tiger is the right tool to get to Wellington on though.
Tigger was good on the ride, but it's not kind to the bike and rims and stuff.

[clint640]

My Tiger has same and after reading up on ride if I do CCA i'm gonna get WR registered & take that. From what i've read, TKC's would be a must.


If Big Dave could do it on a Tiger you could do it on yours blindfolded, one handed, with a pillion on the back & 6 doz beers in the panniers. :bleh:

Based on my sample size of one I reckon you'd have no problems in the dry on an Anakee shod Tiger or 12GS, but if it's wet there is a fair bit of clay which really demands knobs.

Cheers
Clint

[Cary]

So it's bring the Tiger have a great ride down and challengeing CCA = Have a ball

or bring the Tiger & pull out if it's wet = SHAME

bring Tiger ride in wet and maybe crash n burn on slippy downhills = SHAME & $$$$

Bring WR & have a blast but tralier it down = SHAME/FUN/SHAME

Hmmmm.............

[cooneyr]

.........................Hmmmm.............

OR

Put appropriate tyres on the Tiger ride it down, do the CCA, have a ball and if it is wet have an even bigger ball and get to feel like an enduro god :D

Noticed today that Mitas E09's do a 19 inch front. No idea if there is any in NZ or what size the Tiger front (other than the pre current models have a 19inch front) is but maybe it is worth investigating?

Cheers

[tri boy]

Put some chunky feet on Tigger and impress the Enduro boys.:yes:
Must get my entry form in.:crazy:

[Big Dave]

If Big Dave could do it on a Tiger you could do it on yours blindfolded, one handed, with a pillion on the back & 6 doz beers in the panniers.

I was originally rating difficulty with a passenger on road tyres - so get ferked. :girlfight:

[Big Dave]

or bring the Tiger & if it's wet



be judicious about what route you take.

[Cary]

Tiger has mph speedo/trip meter, could be a prob with route sheet instructions........

[cooneyr]

Tiger has mph speedo/trip meter, could be a prob with route sheet instructions........

learn to divide by 1.6 :D or just follow the masses on the day.

Cheers R

[Crisis management]

Tiger has mph speedo/trip meter, could be a prob with route sheet instructions........

I don't envy you that! Last time I had to convert Kms to miles was for the kaipara 200 and it took about 2 hours! :blink: It was well worth spending the time tho, as I would have been lost without the correct distances.

I've managed to locate Wellington on my desk globe, so I'm fully prepared for this now!

[cooneyr]

Went to Mitre10 today to get some bolts and found that they have a 300 gram aerosol ABCEF type fire extinguisher for $15. Cant remember the brand name of the top of my head and arent near it but something beginning with P.

Worth checking out if you need one for the CCA.

Cheers R

[Transalper]

It was Pronto Fire Suppressant....
website on the can is www.saferaerosols.com (http://www.saferaerosols.com)

[Crisis management]

Worth checking out if you need one for the CCA.




Possibly this is a bit of a hint......from the entry form.

"Fire extinguishers mandatory- you must carry a small extinguisher to ride in this event."

Good suggestion Ryan, Mitre 10 it is then, I was finding it a bit difficult mounting the monsoon bucket to the DR anyway....:lol:

[Transalper]

Interesting how that was interpreted... I know cooneyr already knew they were needed, he was saying if you still need to get one (because you don't already own one) for the CCA... rather than are they needed for the ride?

[Crisis management]

Interesting how that was interpreted... I know cooneyr already knew they were needed, he was saying if you still need to get one (because you don't already own one) for the CCA... rather than are they needed for the ride?

Thanks TA, I shall retire to the back left hand corner of the room and stay there for at least a week.......





Secretly, I blame the lack of appropriate comma's. Surely it can't be my fault?

[Transalper]

...Secretly, I blame the lack of appropriate comma's. Surely it can't be my fault?

Indeed, ok, you are excussed.

[cooneyr]

I though that made sense given that not many of the Adv riders I know carry a fire extinguisher. Anyway, you must have one so if you don't have one, check out Mitre10.

Is that better Sir? (I's a English deficient engineer).

Cheers R

[Crisis management]

Is that better Sir? (I's a English deficient engineer).

Cheers R

Lots betterer, thanks!


Suitably chastised jafa slinks back to the rear of the class........

[K slider]

us engineers expect everyone to know what we mean as we make things not write them.

[offrd]

Im thinking of doing this 2 up on the F650, I am running Mitas E-07's which i just had fitted, Tyres be ok or should i have gone more agressive in my tyre choice????:scooter:

[Oscar]

Im thinking of doing this 2 up on the F650, I am running Mitas E-07's which i just had fitted, Tyres be ok or should i have gone more agressive in my tyre choice????:scooter:

That has more to do with confidence and skill (and maybe the weather) than it does to do with tyre choice.

[offrd]

That has more to do with confidence and skill (and maybe the weather) than it does to do with tyre choice.

So if Ben Townley showed up to a motorcross event on road slicks he would still be competiitive because of his confidence and skill...... :whistle:

[NordieBoy]

So if Ben Townley showed up to a motorcross event on road slicks he would still be competiitive because of his confidence and skill...... :whistle:

As long as it was a race and not just practice. He only injures himself in practice :D

[Oscar]

So if Ben Townley showed up to a motorcross event on road slicks he would still be competiitive because of his confidence and skill...... :whistle:

Use what ever tyres you want then, Dickwad.


BTW - Your smart arse analogy doesn't work as you have already told us what sort of tyres you have fitted.


You just can't help some people...

[merv]

So if Ben Townley showed up to a motorcross event on road slicks he would still be competiitive because of his confidence and skill...... :whistle:

The Capital Coast is not a competitve event so you don't need to be competitive, just turn up and ride and as long as you're back for dinner - fine, or we'll have to eat your share too - bugger.

[4skins]

I thought I'd put this subject to bed about a week ago. I'll reiterate on the tyre situation - one final time...

As an organiser of a dozen or so successful adventure events in the past I have learned that I must always cater for the lowest common denominator. In my selection of a route I consider it's suitability WRT a number of factors including the weather, the rider's skill, their choice of machine, tyre choices and the carrying of a pillion.

Lets consider two scenarios...

On the one extreme, a rider on a WR450 on knobs, fine weather breezes around the whole course (and does some parts twice for the hell of it) and goes home smiling for the next week.

At the other extreme is the noddy on the 1200 G/S with mum on the back, is not as good a rider as he thinks he is, on worn Touances. He's gonna have a shit of a day and not come back. Then add in some wet weather and he's stuck down a bank and I've gotta go rescue him... You get the picture.

On crap tyres, you may very well complete the course without any problems, (Josh Coppins could probably do it on slicks) but there'll be no prizes given out for that category at the prizegiving.

Fitting of good tyres you will an edge in terms of safety and enjoyment and remove one factor in the 'worst case scenario' equation. We have no control over the weather, but we do have control over tyre choice.

At the end of the day it's up to you, but don't let me have to utter the words 'I told you...'

THE END

[offrd]

Use what ever tyres you want then, Dickwad.


BTW - Your smart arse analogy doesn't work as you have already told us what sort of tyres you have fitted.


You just can't help some people...


Hell man, all i was asking was for someone that had been on the ride pervious to give some idea as to the usual ground type, if its gravel, seal and such then obviously the 07's will be fine, If its clay mud shit then i will need to go to M21's or something wont I. Pretty simple kind of bloody question.

From your answer any kind of tyre would be any good if i was any kind of decent rider hence my smart arse reply.

No your answer would not help anybody...

And if i am a dickwad then that would make you a tampon.

[offrd]

The Capital Coast is not a competitve event so you don't need to be competitive, just turn up and ride and as long as you're back for dinner - fine, or we'll have to eat your share too - bugger.

Yeah i realise that, i am just going to cruise and enjoy the day, or that is the plan...... :scooter:

[warewolf]

No your answer would not help anybody...Unfortunately your question has been answered numerous times in the previous 170-odd posts in this thread. :oi-grr: Can't blame people for being short with you.

[offrd]

Unfortunately your question has been answered numerous times in the previous 170-odd posts in this thread. :oi-grr: Can't blame people for being short with you.

Yeah my balls up as reading back thru again i see it had all been covered.... Makes me the jack ass... How i ballsed it up.. All i can think is when i read the posts before i had the DR on M21's and knew i would be fine, Since sold that and got the BMW on as mentioned 07's which i just fitted and still have the tits on.

So not only do i look like the F***W** but i have the WRONG set of tyres for the ride and i am pissed off now... even more so as i WAS going to get the E-09's but after killing an M21 in 1000km i was wanting to keep away from knobs....

Ahhhhh shite.

:first: IDIOT

Hides in corner:bash:

[Transalper]

I thought I'd put this subject to bed about a week ago. I'll reiterate on the tyre situation - one final time...
....
At the other extreme is the noddy on the 1200 G/S with mum on the back, is not as good a rider as he thinks he is, on worn Touances. He's gonna have a shit of a day and not come back. Then add in some wet weather and he's stuck down a bank and I've gotta go rescue him... You get the picture....

Fitting of good tyres you will an edge in terms of safety and enjoyment and remove one factor in the 'worst case scenario' equation. We have no control over the weather, but we do have control over tyre choice.

At the end of the day it's up to you, but don't let me have to utter the words 'I told you...'

THE ENDA cunning plan springs to mind.. me with helmet camera wandering around at the start to see who is the worst prepared as in tyre choices on heavy bike etc, finds a good one, now he could be one of the ones I keep an eye on, ie. best chance for entertaining video for my youtube channel to be seen world wide over and over again with the subtitle popping up here and there 'You were told' as things go wrong.:corn:

I am a fairly average rider on a DR650 and from experience with different tyres on F650s, Transalps and the DR650 find when I stick the knobs on that I gain a real confidence boost in the steep and/or slippery conditions. I keep 2 sets of tyres so I'm sorted, for this trip I might at least have got a good rear to stick on to get me up the hills if nothing else.

[ducatijim]

That has more to do with confidence and skill (and maybe the weather) than it does to do with tyre choice.


Don't go there with ole Osc Duncan; he will always come back and bite you no matter which side of the debate you are on!!!!

So, u got a F650 then did you? a 180' from the hot DR eh??, well don't worry about your 'confidence and skill' , from your riding on the Waikaremoana weekend ride, you are lacking in neither of these areas!! You may even get to ride alongside Oscar and demonstrate!!

Oh yes, I am an 'expert' having never done the CCA before:calm:, so I am keeping my head down now!!:2thumbsup.

All the best Duncan, wish I could be there too!! Jamie.

[merv]

offrd the last few Capital Coasts have been nice and easy coz the weather has been good. This one is later in the year than previously so who knows if our nice balmy late summer will have ended by then.

In Wellington there are really on two types of surface on the terrain - well weathered broken rock which has stacks of grip but is hard on your tyres for which you really only need a junk tyre, and then there's the lovely clay - stacks of grip in the dry and nice and easy to ride on - but if it rains or you're on it early in the morning with dew then its a greasy pig. No tyre grips that shit so I think I'm trying to say don't worry about it any tyre will do no matter what 4skins has said.

We don't really have deep mud around here and if we do - that's the stuff marks rides on at Karapoti and I can't imagine 4skins is including that stuff in the easy part of the ride.

Have you checked out my pics from last time here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=27185

[offrd]

Don't go there with ole Osc Duncan; he will always come back and bite you no matter which side of the debate you are on!!!!

So, u got a F650 then did you? a 180' from the hot DR eh??, well don't worry about your 'confidence and skill' , from your riding on the Waikaremoana weekend ride, you are lacking in neither of these areas!! You may even get to ride alongside Oscar and demonstrate!!

Oh yes, I am an 'expert' having never done the CCA before:calm:, so I am keeping my head down now!!:2thumbsup.

All the best Duncan, wish I could be there too!! Jamie.

Hi Jamie!:eek:

Ole Osc has every right to mow me down, seams i lost my brain somewhere between planning on doing the ride solo at speed on the hot DR, buying the F650 and the wife wanting to come along for the ride also! Somewhere along the path i got mild rubber rather than "Grrrr" knobblies :doh:

Strange. Must be some time warp.. So seems i have tent, bike, woman, weekend off and Arron Slights road rubber for a trail ride...

Thinking of buying another NEW set but $$$$$$ may be an issue with the other projects on the go...

If i dont get another set of new rubber then bike can stay in the shed....

If you are free this weekend i might be doing the 42 traverse.. On the F650....

[offrd]

Thanks Merv, GREAT photos!:yes:

Looks much easier than the desert storm type rides i had been doing. I gave them up after being ridden over by someone thinking it was a motor-x race! :nono:

Hell if that fat VX cruiser can get around my beeemer should LOL!:gob:

[Oscar]

Hell man, all i was asking was for someone that had been on the ride pervious to give some idea as to the usual ground type, if its gravel, seal and such then obviously the 07's will be fine, If its clay mud shit then i will need to go to M21's or something wont I. Pretty simple kind of bloody question.

From your answer any kind of tyre would be any good if i was any kind of decent rider hence my smart arse reply.

No your answer would not help anybody...

And if i am a dickwad then that would make you a tampon.


Jeez, gimme strength - having actually ridden the CCA (twice, with a preview of some of '08 last weekend), I was trying to ask you nicely if you could actually ride your F650. You did manage to come up with the I answer I was leading you to: any kind of tyre (including your Mitas ones) would be good if you were a competent rider. However anyone two-up, or new to the ride would be well advised to heed Johnny's final word on the matter above.

Having organised the odd ride (with 4skins usually) over the years, I can only endorse his blunt approach - if in doubt, get a decent set of rubber. Helping ill-prepared but over-confident noobs can get a bit boring after a while (even the odd time that involved rescue helicopters).
For John's sake I hope your riding skills are better than your reading and comprehension skills.

[Oscar]

Don't go there with ole Osc Duncan; he will always come back and bite you no matter which side of the debate you are on!!!!


No, I don't! (just kidding)

Are you riding, Jim?

We'll be going down the "scenic" route, if you wanna come along...

[ducatijim]

No, I don't! (just kidding)

Are you riding, Jim?

We'll be going down the "scenic" route, if you wanna come along...

I wish I could join u guyz for this 1, however my DR will be crated up and 1/2 wayz across the Tassie enroute to Brisbane at this time :whocares:.

[Big Dave]

Don't get the wrong idea about Oscar - he's just a crabby in real life.

[offrd]

Don't get the wrong idea about Oscar - he's just a crabby in real life.

Ah well all good now... E-09's ordered :done:

Ohakune still the go for the friday clint?

[Oscar]

Don't get the wrong idea about Oscar - he's just a crabby in real life.

Not when I have the 950SE for another coupla days...yeeeehar!

[clint640]

Ohakune still the go for the friday clint?

That's the preliminary idea, Oscar mentioned something about a 'Scenic Route' down too, what's your evil plan O green grouchy one?

Clint

[Oscar]

That's the preliminary idea, Oscar mentioned something about a 'Scenic Route' down too, what's your evil plan O green grouchy one?

Clint

I assume that the Kiwi Rider Panzer Division under Obergruppenfuher Vege will be descending upon the Oscarroosa and we'll then proceed down the West Coast switching inland to do the Whangaehu Road or similar.

[clint640]

Jolly Good. I'd like to have a look down the Whangaehu Rd too, Did the Turakina route a while back & that was fun.

I'm going to plan on getting to the Ohakune pub for a leisurely lunch around 12, then tootle off at about 1. All welcome to join us, we'll just be cruising along at Rosie-pace. If the Panzer Division is still en route at that point there's a good chance you'll catch us up.

Cheers
Clint

[Crisis management]

Rogson & I are trailering the bikes down cos were soft cocks, but if any of those plans change I'll try and catch you at Ohakune Clint......means I would have to leave Jafaland about midnight on thursday tho!

[clint640]

Cool, we could probably find you a bed on the Thurs night Rotorua/Taupo if you need it.

Congrats on the new KTM, the 200EXC is my fav trailbike ever!

Clint

[Crisis management]

Congrats on the new KTM, the 200EXC is my fav trailbike ever!

Clint

Ta for that, this weekend is the "see if the KTM kills me bit" if I'm quiet for a while next week you'll know.

Back to the CCA......
I am pleased to announce the Drongo is fully prepared, IMS tank, bar risers (at last!), new Pirelli on the back, new chain & sprockets and that silly little lunch box on the bars.
I'm a little concerned about that luch box, even tho I am the epitome of the "skinny white man" I need more lunch than you can fit in 0.4l click clack.

They must have refilling stops really regularly! :woohoo::woohoo:

Ooops, there was one more thing:

I've got the lunch box on the left hand side so I've moved the coffee cup holder to the right, now, whats the usual cup size in Wobblington? I don't want to turn up with the Grande cup holder and have little cups wobble around in the holder and spill. I've got sleeves for all the smaller sizes of cups but don't want to be carting too much junk around with me, so if one of you locals can let me know I'll fit the appropriate size....

Ta, in advance. :innocent:

[sels1]

Yeeha, just bought myself a little ole street legal KLR250 so hopefully will be joining in the fun this year. Just have to sort out a new set of tyres for it and get up the hills for some practice.

[merv]

Yeeha, just bought myself a little ole street legal KLR250 so hopefully will be joining in the fun this year. Just have to sort out a new set of tyres for it and get up the hills for some practice.

See you there mate. Oh that reminds me, better get my entry in sometime soon :niceone:.

[offrd]

Well... My arrow exhaust does not have "spark arrestor" or anything other than ARROW stamped into it.....

Just when i thought i was all sorted....

Perhaps i pull the end cap out and see what is in there..

What does a spark arrestor look like?????

Any ideas of other solutions to this problem????

[offrd]

Here is the insert to my muffler..

This i am guessing is a spark arrestor???

[Oscar]

Here is the insert to my muffler..

This i am guessing is a spark arrestor???

I doubt it.

DOC tests for spark arrestors by sticking a bit of welding rod up yer exhaust.
If it goes all the way - no arrestor.

The arrestor usually involves a right angle turn in gas flow or fine mesh.

[offrd]

I doubt it.

DOC tests for spark arrestors by sticking a bit of welding rod up yer exhaust.
If it goes all the way - no arrestor.

The arrestor usually involves a right angle turn in gas flow or fine mesh.

Your "doubt it" is correct.. As far as I can find arrow exhausts have a rather common problem across the range of "no spark arrestors."

Either fitted or available......:doh:

I guess I will modify this one for it to comply :niceone:

That should be ok????????????

Or am I destined not to do this ride..........

BTW the tyre issue is sorted........ May have been a waste of time tho.




:doh::doh::doh:

[Oscar]

Your "doubt it" is correct.. As far as I can find arrow exhausts have a rather common problem across the range of "no spark arrestors."

Either fitted or available......:doh:

I guess I will modify this one for it to comply :niceone:

That should be ok????????????

Or am I destined not to do this ride..........

BTW the tyre issue is sorted........ May have been a waste of time tho.




:doh::doh::doh:

It shouldn't be hard to sort.
Some fine mesh welded on those inserts or cap on the internal end (hard to explain, weld the interior end of the insert shut and then drill the sides or weld two half rounds at each end to stop direct gas flow).

[offrd]

It shouldn't be hard to sort.
Some fine mesh welded on those inserts or cap on the internal end (hard to explain, weld the interior end of the insert shut and then drill the sides or weld two half rounds at each end to stop direct gas flow).

Yes thats what i thought! :niceone:

I will weld the end holes up and will drill the sides in a very profesional :oi-grr: random pattern so the gas has to turn a 90 deg to get out...!!

[Oscar]

Yes thats what i thought! :niceone:

I will weld the end holes up and will drill the sides in a very profesional :oi-grr: random pattern so the gas has to turn a 90 deg to get out...!!

You could actually just cut the side out of it along the long axis.

[offrd]

You could actually just cut the side out of it along the long axis.

An engineering mate that i had not seen for quite some time just turned up on his new GsxR 1000, we got talking bikes and i explained my problem, he then went into great depth on the gas flow, the importance of tuning the tail section and took it with him when he left. :woohoo:

All will be ready by smoko!

[Qkchk]

To shortcut reading 11 pages -

Absolute beginner never done a Adventure ride before.

Is it too late to send in a entry form?
What do I need to know about the ride....
Any tips?
Anyone else taking the camping option?
Thinking of riding down on Anzac day then rding home on the Sunday back to Auckland - Dreaming?

Thanks

[offrd]

To shortcut reading 11 pages -

Absolute beginner never done a Adventure ride before.

Is it too late to send in a entry form?
What do I need to know about the ride....
Any tips?
Anyone else taking the camping option?
Thinking of riding down on Anzac day then rding home on the Sunday back to Auckland - Dreaming?

Thanks

Weli am not the most experienced but....

Entry closes 21st April, So you are ok there!
Tips, Depends how good you are able to ride off road in the rough stuff i guess.
I am going two up on the ride and camping. (well that is the plan, if things stop trying to stuff the plans up anyway!)
Probably will be going down Anzac day and back on the sunday too, but from Tokoroa so less about 210km each way on what you will be traveling.
Dreaming... Well depends how good the Gel seat is that you plan on getting for the DR i guess :shutup:

Looking at some photos of previous rides its not all plain gravel roads and seal.

Thats just my .02c

Really would be worth reading all 14 pages to get a better picture, you then can make the right choices to make the day great!

:scooter:

[Transalper]

Riding up from ChCh with at least one other DR650 owner and camping.
Ridiing home Sunday, back to work Monday.
Just spend as much time (wet and fine weather) riding shingle and dirt and hills etc as you can to get a bit of familiararity with bike and off seal riding.
Don't forget some fords too.
Make sure you have had a look at all the links on the CCA homepage (http://ccadv08.blogspot.com/2007/09/home.html), plenty of info, photos and video clips about the ride there.
Cheers
TA.

[clint640]

To shortcut reading 11 pages -

Absolute beginner never done a Adventure ride before.

Is it too late to send in a entry form?
What do I need to know about the ride....
Any tips?
Anyone else taking the camping option?
Thinking of riding down on Anzac day then rding home on the Sunday back to Auckland - Dreaming?

Thanks

This is a great ride, well worth doing. Get that entry in.

Fitting up some fairly knobby tyres like Pirelli MT21's will make things heaps easier if you're unsure about punting the DR around on the rough stuff.

We'll be camping, along with a few others, the school is a good spot.

Riding down from Aucks & back in a day would be no problem, We're going to meet up with a few other strays at the Ohakune pub around midday Friday, & take the scenic route down the Whangaehu valley.

Cheers
Clint

[Peril]

It shouldn't be hard to sort.
Some fine mesh welded on those inserts or cap on the internal end (hard to explain, weld the interior end of the insert shut and then drill the sides or weld two half rounds at each end to stop direct gas flow).

Just a query on that,for future reference.
Is the mesh hoseclamped on the muffler tip allowed?
I have a two brothers muffler which doesn't have any form of arrestor at all unfortunatly.
I wont be coming up for this ride,but just in case something comes up,I can then know if I'm going to be alright.Then again,I guess it'd depend on the orginiser/scrutineer.

[Oscar]

Just a query on that,for future reference.
Is the mesh hoseclamped on the muffler tip allowed?
I have a two brothers muffler which doesn't have any form of arrestor at all unfortunatly.
I wont be coming up for this ride,but just in case something comes up,I can then know if I'm going to be alright.Then again,I guess it'd depend on the orginiser/scrutineer.

Yeah that should be OK.
It'd have to be reasonably fine mesh.

[Qkchk]

Just spend as much time (wet and fine weather) riding shingle and dirt and hills etc as you can to get a bit of familiararity with bike and off seal riding. Don't forget some fords too.
Might have to do some hunting for fjords 'round here - Crisis Management, maybe we might have to get some pre-entry practise in?


Fitting up some fairly knobby tyres like Pirelli MT21's will make things heaps easier if you're unsure about punting the DR around on the rough stuff.I was planning that me and the hubby ride down to Bennydale on the Thursday afternoon (maybe have a half day on Thursday) then have a leisurely ride to Ohakune for lunch and meet up with the rest of the crew............ :yeah:


As for tyres: (oh no not again, I can hear it from here....)

After finally reading through the 14 pages..... Tyres are a big issue. (For someone like me who has only small amounts of offroad riding experience)

Does anyone know what the standard OEM tyre is on the DR650s? Think I saw Bridgestones on them but didnt take any notice what model. Are these any good for the CCA? Or should I keep the set for more road/gravel stuff? I want something that will grip on the road dry/wet and also be capable on the CCA.......... I know its a hard line - tyres tend to be bias either way. Would a set of those Contis be worth buying and do they grip a wet road?

[Oscar]

Might have to do some hunting for fjords 'round here - Crisis Management, maybe we might have to get some pre-entry practise in?

I was planning that me and the hubby ride down to Bennydale on the Thursday afternoon (maybe have a half day on Thursday) then have a leisurely ride to Ohakune for lunch and meet up with the rest of the crew............ :yeah:


As for tyres: (oh no not again, I can hear it from here....)

After finally reading through the 14 pages..... Tyres are a big issue. (For someone like me who has only small amounts of offroad riding experience)

Does anyone know what the standard OEM tyre is on the DR650s? Think I saw Bridgestones on them but didnt take any notice what model. Are these any good for the CCA? Or should I keep the set for more road/gravel stuff? I want something that will grip on the road dry/wet and also be capable on the CCA.......... I know its a hard line - tyres tend to be bias either way. Would a set of those Contis be worth buying and do they grip a wet road?

The OEM tyres are Bridgestone Dual Purpose (trailwings?). These are pretty much lethal when pushed in any conditions road/gravel/off road.
You’d be better off with summat like a Pirelli MT21 or Conti TKC80’s.

The TKC’s have unbelievable grip on the seal compared to either knobblies or dual purpose tyres . Essentially they’re made by putting soft sports compound robber in a ISDE knobbly mould.

[Qkchk]

The OEM tyres are Bridgestone Dual Purpose (trailwings?). These are pretty much lethal when pushed in any conditions road/gravel/off road.
You’d be better off with summat like a Pirelli MT21 or Conti TKC80’s.

The TKC’s have unbelievable grip on the seal compared to either knobblies or dual purpose tyres . Essentially they’re made by putting soft sports compound robber in a ISDE knobbly mould.

Well maybe that will be the selling point for us - Last thing I want is the tyres to let go while doing 100kph on tarmac......... and as long as the TKCs can handle dirt,gravel and clay it might give me a fighting chance.....:sweatdrop

[clint640]

The OEM tyres are Bridgestone Dual Purpose (trailwings?). These are pretty much lethal when pushed in any conditions road/gravel/off road.
You’d be better off with summat like a Pirelli MT21 or Conti TKC80’s.
.

Yep, they're both good, I'd maybe go for the MT21's if I was you. Much cheaper & much grippier offroad than the TKC80, not so good on the road & the back one won't last long, but you'll still have the stockers to swap back on for the more roady trips.

I found when I was getting the hang of the 640 on gravel & offroad some fairly knobby rubber gave me heaps more confidence. As your skills develop you'll be happy on longer lasting, more road oriented rubber in many situations, but it's really nice to have plenty of traction when starting out.

Cheers
Clint

[4skins]

Would a set of those Contis be worth buying and do they grip a wet road?


For all-round mixed riding in all weathers, you can't beat 'em.

[tri boy]

After hrs of engineering consultation, and CAD design in conjunction with Waikato University, I would like to present stage 1 design of the Scrambler Spark Arrester.
It has been approved by the DIIC, (dept Irish ingenuity n cheapskateness):yes:

No pasta for me until I replace kanny's collinder.
The depth of the arrester shall be improved, but I have always worked of the "first knuckle" principle with orifices, and it has been rewarding in the past, so I'm hoping it will also be ok this time.:lol:

[cooneyr]

You fullers in the north island not get Dunlop D606's? I reckon they are slightly better on road than the MT21's and every bit as good off road. Softer compound by my reckoning and they are much much cheaper than TKC80's.

Cheers R

[Oscar]

Yep, they're both good, I'd maybe go for the MT21's if I was you. Much cheaper & much grippier offroad than the TKC80, not so good on the road & the back one won't last long, but you'll still have the stockers to swap back on for the more roady trips.

I found when I was getting the hang of the 640 on gravel & offroad some fairly knobby rubber gave me heaps more confidence. As your skills develop you'll be happy on longer lasting, more road oriented rubber in many situations, but it's really nice to have plenty of traction when starting out.

Cheers
Clint


On the 640 I use a TKC up front and a MT21 on the back - perfect...

[Oscar]

Well maybe that will be the selling point for us - Last thing I want is the tyres to let go while doing 100kph on tarmac......... and as long as the TKCs can handle dirt,gravel and clay it might give me a fighting chance.....:sweatdrop

TKC's are S Rated (112mph).




I run them on my 950 and I can confirm that they are good for speeds in excess of 200km/h on seal and 180km/h (very briefly) on gravel...

[marks]

After hrs of engineering consultation, and CAD design in conjunction with Waikato University, I would like to present stage 1 design of the Scrambler Spark Arrester.
It has been approved by the DIIC, (dept Irish ingenuity n cheapskateness):yes:

No pasta for me until I replace kanny's collinder.
The depth of the arrester shall be improved, but I have always worked of the "first knuckle" principle with orifices, and it has been rewarding in the past, so I'm hoping it will also be ok this time.:lol:

:spanking:

[clint640]

On the 640 I use a TKC up front and a MT21 on the back - perfect...

Yep, I'll probably run that same combo as by late April I'll probably have a too good to throw away but too worn for the CCA MT70 on the back, so I might as well fit something a touch more grippy for the occasion.

CooneyR, when I first started looking at tyres for the 640 ages ago, I think the D606's were lots more $$ than the similar MT21, I'll have to compare again, I might give one a try if the price is right.

Cheers
Clint

[cooneyr]

CooneyR, when I first started looking at tyres for the 640 ages ago, I think the D606's were lots more $$ than the similar MT21, I'll have to compare again, I might give one a try if the price is right.

Cheers
Clint

I've never actually brought MT21's new so cant compare but the D606 are around $110ish front and $135ish rear (not fitted) here in Chch from Pit Lane.

Cheers R

[NordieBoy]

The TKC’s have unbelievable grip on the seal compared to either knobblies or dual purpose tyres . Essentially they’re made by putting soft sports compound robber in a ISDE knobbly mould.

That explains the prices :2thumbsup

[warewolf]

the D606 are around $110ish front and $135ish rear (not fitted) here in Chch from Pit Lane.Biggest problem with the D606 is that the 130/90-18 size (OK for the 640E but a tad small for the 640A) isn't available in NZ. Dunno that the next size down, 120/90-18 would work. But the price was comparable to the MT21 IIRC; price didn't stop me purchasing, availability did.

[cooneyr]

Biggest problem with the D606 is that the 130/90-18 size (OK for the 640E but a tad small for the 640A) isn't available in NZ. Dunno that the next size down, 120/90-18 would work. But the price was comparable to the MT21 IIRC; price didn't stop me purchasing, availability did.

As I've said before thats what ya get for owning exotica :D I'm curious why the 640E riders and others haven't tried the D606.

Cheers R

[sels1]

Ive just ordered MT21s, being fitted tomorrow. A lot of the other tyres either wern't in stock, or not in the size I required (17 rear)- spent ages in the bikeshop going over the choices on the net, the Pirellis won on the day.

[Oscar]

As I've said before thats what ya get for owning exotica :D I'm curious why the 640E riders and others haven't tried the D606.

Cheers R

Basically 'cause I never seen one.

Early on, I tried a Karoo on my LC4e, but it wore out so quick and cost so much I went right off the idea. Essentially, my latest combination of TKC front and MT21 rear is bloody great. I would also settle for MT21's both ends (but probably not go as silly on seal).

My LC8 gets TKC's both ends.
I figure it don't do to penny pinch when yer dealing with that sort of horse power...

[clint640]

As I've said before thats what ya get for owning exotica :D


Ive just ordered MT21s, being fitted tomorrow. A lot of the other tyres either wern't in stock, or not in the size I required (17 rear).

I think Motu said it a while back, no matter what size it is, when you ask Mr Partsguy about a dual purpose tyre, he's going to suck air through his teeth, scratch his head & comment on how "that's a bit of a funny size for one of those" ! Although generally there's more of the knobbier stuff around for the 18" & the roady patterns are more common for the 17"

Cheers
Clint

[cooneyr]

Basically 'cause I never seen one....

Well thats a fair nuf answer. I ain't never seen a new MT21 in a shop.

Cheers R

[Oscar]

Well thats a fair nuf answer. I ain't never seen a new MT21 in a shop.

Cheers R

Actually I'll rephrase that - I hadn't heard of them until the Aussies on ADVRider mentioned them. I was gonna ask about them next time I needed a replacement.

MT21's must be pretty popular here, most local shops have them in stock, whereas stuff like Karoos and TKC's have to be ordered.

[offrd]

I got all of 1000km out of my last M21.... Before it was not worth showing dirt.

But i do tend to use my rear wheel steering on gravel quite a bit..... :cool:

[Transalper]

Well, finally printed an entry form out, plan to post it tomorrow.

[mickeyboy]

YAHHH FUCKIN WHOOOO :banana::Punk::woohoo: ... been waitin dam near two years for this ...

HEY Plug man get some of those Capital Boys down for our overland monkey trip .........sell the tickets mate !!!!!!!!

[mickeyboy]

Plug Man !!!

[Waihou Thumper]

I plan on going and it would be great to have a bit of company for the ride south. I will be camping at the school too, so carrying it all on the back of either the 640 Adventure or if KTM gets their act together I might even have the new 990s by then....

Fingers crossed....

On another note, what about the road book? You think it is absolutely necessary for the ride or can we follow everyone else....Part of the fun is to get lost a little ...I might make one up using the old click clack box, might be fun...

To mount it to my bike I might need a cross bar and clips or something. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks.
Mark

[Qkchk]

I plan on going and it would be great to have a bit of company for the ride south. I will be camping at the school too, so carrying it all on the back of either the 640 Adventure or if KTM gets their act together I might even have the new 990s by then....



Some of the Northern guys are meeting up in Ohakune for lunch on the Friday. Myself and Qkkid are planning on heading down as far as Benneydale on Thursday night, staying with family... then meet up on the Friday and head down via some back roads. Hopefully Clint is watching the thread and will fill in with details........


On a lesser note; getting TKC80 fitted to both bikes on Wednesday - gosh anything must be better on gravel/sand/mud than those hopeless trailwings :rolleyes:

[Oscar]

I plan on going and it would be great to have a bit of company for the ride south. I will be camping at the school too, so carrying it all on the back of either the 640 Adventure or if KTM gets their act together I might even have the new 990s by then....

Fingers crossed....

On another note, what about the road book? You think it is absolutely necessary for the ride or can we follow everyone else....Part of the fun is to get lost a little ...I might make one up using the old click clack box, might be fun...

To mount it to my bike I might need a cross bar and clips or something. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks.
Mark


I attach it off the LH Mirror mount (rearviews are for the weak!).

[upshift]

Very happy with the D606 on my DRZ250, really can't think of a better dual purpose tyre for it. Not sure if I'd put one on a bigger/heavier bike though.

Likewise very happy with the TKC80 on my F650, have done 9000Km on this one, just road use at the moment so will probably replace it when it gets to 10,000 :rolleyes:

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[clint640]

Hi Mate, a few of us are meeting up at the Ohakune pub on the Fri, planning to have lunch there then head off 1pm ish down The Turakina or Whangaehu roads to avoid hwy 1 for a bit.

The road book is pretty handy, a lot of the ride isn't very crowded so it's good to be able to go at your own pace. I mount mine off the LH handguard mount.

Cheers
Clint


I plan on going and it would be great to have a bit of company for the ride south. I will be camping at the school too, so carrying it all on the back of either the 640 Adventure or if KTM gets their act together I might even have the new 990s by then....

Fingers crossed....

On another note, what about the road book? You think it is absolutely necessary for the ride or can we follow everyone else....Part of the fun is to get lost a little ...I might make one up using the old click clack box, might be fun...

To mount it to my bike I might need a cross bar and clips or something. Any suggestions out there?

Thanks.
Mark

[Crisis management]

very happy with the TKC80 on my F650, have done 9000Km on this one,
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How do you do that? I only get around 4000km out of my rear......german ingenuity?

[upshift]

How do you do that? I only get around 4000km out of my rear......german ingenuity?

Was a litttle suprised myself after reading how short a life other people are getting from these. Put it on new for the 2006 Yamaha SI Safari so did all that then about two weeks around the SI, Dansey's, Hakatarema, Rainbow, Molesworth etc so it's not all road use.

Guess it's just a combination of various things, I don't greatly speed on the bike, it ain't laying down a lot of power to the road (it's an F650) and mostly only carrying around just me at 75kg. And no doubt tyre pressure of course which I tend to keep around 24-26 psi.

[Oscar]

How do you do that? I only get around 4000km out of my rear......german ingenuity?

Tyre pressure is critical.
Check with your dealer, but my mileage improved dramatically after I consulted with the importer.
They told me 36psi for my 950Adv, which I thought was VERY high, but it worked.

[Waihou Thumper]

Hi Mate, a few of us are meeting up at the Ohakune pub on the Fri, planning to have lunch there then head off 1pm ish down The Turakina or Whangaehu roads to avoid hwy 1 for a bit.

The road book is pretty handy, a lot of the ride isn't very crowded so it's good to be able to go at your own pace. I mount mine off the LH handguard mount.

Cheers
Clint
Thanks for the info on that, sounds good. Ohakune it is then, I will look forward to meeting you all..
I plan on taking the long route down to there, through Benneydale, possibly Waimiha and through Taumarunui, or Whakamaru through to National Park - Raetahi etc...
Will depend on weather etc....

Mark - Te Aroha 2002 KTM640 Adventure

[Crisis management]

it ain't laying down a lot of power to the road (it's an F650) and mostly only carrying around just me at 75kg. And no doubt tyre pressure of course which I tend to keep around 24-26 psi.


Tyre pressure is critical.


Thanks guys, Upshift, the DR is similar to the F650 in size / power and I'm running 25 psi but maybe I'm also a bit throttle happy.....

Oscar, I don't know if a higher pressure would make a great difference in my situation but I'll see if I can get a definative answer regarding the correct pressure.

I'm currently running a Pirelli M21 so that will be an interesting comparison.

[Oscar]

Thanks guys, Upshift, the DR is similar to the F650 in size / power and I'm running 25 psi but maybe I'm also a bit throttle happy.....

Oscar, I don't know if a higher pressure would make a great difference in my situation but I'll see if I can get a definative answer regarding the correct pressure.

I'm currently running a Pirelli M21 so that will be an interesting comparison.


I run the Pirelli (MT21?) on my 640.
It's a great tyre for the DR - I wouldn't be bothering with TKC's if I were you.

[Oscar]

4skins (organiser of KTM CCA) gets married tomorrow...

[merv]

4skins (organiser of KTM CCA) gets married tomorrow...


Yippee, all the best to 4skins and orange roughy :love: :woohoo:

[car]

4skins (organiser of KTM CCA) gets married tomorrow...

Ah! That would explain the new hairstyle.

[merv]

Car you joining us on the ride with your 200? You still got the Kawasaki?

[car]

Car you joining us on the ride with your 200? You still got the Kawasaki?

I sold the 750 in the end, for various reasons. I wasn't planning on riding the CCA this year, despite 4skins' taunting me now and then with very tempting pictures from earlier outings. Money's too tight for steak at the moment and, I'm having sufficient fun building on my n00b skills with a couple of half days in Akatarawa every month, that I find it hard to justify a hundred and some bucks to sleep in a tent ten miles from my comfortable, wife-warmed bed.

(Yeah, I'm talking it down because, secretly, I know that getting half-cut and collapsing in a tent the night before hurling me and my bike up a tree is *exactly* the kind of boys' outing that I know I'd enjoy...)

[merv]

Mate give up the steak and eat mince for a while and you're a Welly boy, forget the tent, stay and keep the missus warm and just ride over to Plimmerton School in the morning ready for the ride, that's what I'll be doing. That's what I've done for all three of these (except first two were at the Police College)and when I finish the ride I just cruise on home have a shower and then go back to the dinner.

[Transalper]

Well, finally printed an entry form out, plan to post it tomorrow.Gezz I'm slack, but yes the entry now actually is in the post... and I have everything I need ready to go.:calm:

[merv]

I'll send my entry in this weekend I reckon.

Re-cycled showed me a wedding pic of 4-skins today and Oscar I understand you were the best man - would we ever doubt that? :cool: