Ducati 848

[ninjac]

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18november07_2008ducati848.htm

I like!!!!
What price here do you think?

[007XX]

A bit of a guess, but I'd say mid $30K +???

Looks really hot...not sure about it in white, but she sure is a looker! :niceone:

[SimJen]

$31k will get a base model 1098, $38 will get the 1098S, I reckon it'll be around $27-28k!
Great looking bike tho, but not for me especially at that sort of money....
You could get a couple of jap 600's for that, one for the road and one for the track :)

[Finn]

A bit of a guess, but I'd say mid $30K +???

I think he meant the price of the bike, not the annual servicing cost.

[007XX]

I think he meant the price of the bike, not the annual servicing cost.

Now, now...Don't be like that! :laugh:

Thing is, I hazarded to imply so much to a fan of the Ducatis and was quickly (but reasonably gently), told that the high cost of maintaining a Ducati was a myth...

So what's a girl to believe? :(

I'm keen to learn facts, but if the facts are given based on personal preferences and beliefs, then it becomes biaised and not factual, doesn't it?:rolleyes:

Maybe I should just talk to Flame again...:niceone:

[SimJen]

Ducati have extended the service intervals to almost double on these new bikes, so servicing should be more in line with the jap stuff......hopefully. ;)

[RantyDave]

I hazarded to imply so much to a fan of the Ducatis and was quickly (but reasonably gently), told that the high cost of maintaining a Ducati was a myth...
I think the older ones fell to bits, and mid-age ones need regular servicing and replacement of timing belts etc. Newer ones are apparently much better and I believe the "book" service interval is 10,000 instead of 6,000 for a jappa 4. Their devaluation also appears less frightening, certainly not as bad as an MV.

Would love an 848 but may well have better things to do with thirty grand.

Dave

[007XX]

I think the older ones fell to bits, and mid-age ones need regular servicing and replacement of timing belts etc. Newer ones are apparently much better and I believe the "book" service interval is 10,000 instead of 6,000 for a jappa 4. Their devaluation also appears less frightening, certainly not as bad as an MV.

Would love an 848 but may well have better things to do with thirty grand.

Dave

Cheers for that...Ducatis have had a bad rep for so long on their servicing, it only makes sense that they would do something about it sooner or later...now, consumers need to get their heads around it!:whistle:

But yes, I agree that I'd have better things to do with $30K, if I was ever to have such a sum in my bank account...I like Simjen's idea! :yes: :clap:

[deanohit]

Now that sounds like fun, but they need to dump the fairings and make it into a monster!

[SimJen]

deanohit, check http://www.webbikeworld.com/ducati-motorcycles/monster-696/

[limbimtimwim]

Wet clutch

How INTERESTING.

[johan]

I've never owened a Japanese bike so I don't what their maintanance cost are like. I've spend quite some money on my Ducatis in just maintanance costs. Labour is around $80/h where I take it, and the spare parts are not cheap.
I just had to replace two valve rockers on my '01 996. They were $380 each + labour. The bike has only done 12000k.
There are a few parts the needs to be serviced or replaced regulary, apart from that, they are very solid engines.
Ducati have had problems with the parts they have outsourced and it the owner who has to pay for that in the end, but that doesn't stop me and others from thinking they are the most fun bikes out there.
Riding a jap bike is like bringing sushi to a bbq. :)

[007XX]

Wet clutch

How INTERESTING.

I've never been able to understand why they went to a wet clutch...it sounds horrible!!!:oi-grr:

Could you guys enlighten me as to the advantages, cos I'm nonplussed...:confused:

[deanohit]

deanohit, check http://www.webbikeworld.com/ducati-motorcycles/monster-696/
Thanks mate, would be getting rid of those ugly cans first thing! :shit:

I've never been able to understand why they went to a wet clutch...it sounds horrible!!!:oi-grr:
Could you guys enlighten me as to the advantages, cos I'm nonplussed...:confused:
Do you mean the dry clutch? They're the ones that screech. Something to do with them having better bite and not slipping like a wet clutch.

[007XX]

Do you mean the dry clutch? They're the ones that screech. Something to do with them having better bite and not slipping like a wet clutch.

Whichever one rattles and clunks like your mighty Zongshen...:lol: :dodge:

The last time, I said dry clutch, I got corrected inot saying "wet clutch":rolleyes: :crazy:...so blast it, whichever one sounds like it has too many loose cans in the trunk...

So if they've gone back to the one that doesn't make as much noise, then I'm all for it, cos darn that noise was a major put off.

[imdying]

I've never been able to understand why they went to a wet clutch...it sounds horrible!!!:oi-grr:

Could you guys enlighten me as to the advantages, cos I'm nonplussed...:confused:I assume you mean dry clutch? A dry clutch is noisy and can be grabby... however! They don't run in the oil, which means there's no drag sapping your power.

[deanohit]

Whichever one rattles and clunks like your mighty Zongshen...:lol: :dodge:
:blink: Whos the cheeky bugger now?! :killingme

so blast it, whichever one sounds like it has too many loose cans in the trunk...
Dry clutch, and yea, they didn't sound too good. Like Scachas 748, awesome sounding engine that is drowned out by the clutch noise. :(

The 848 will most likely be more popular than the previous bikes as it sounds like such an awesome package.:2thumbsup

[007XX]

I assume you mean dry clutch? A dry clutch is noisy and can be grabby... however! They don't run in the oil, which means there's no drag sapping your power.

Yes, sorry :o....I keep on getting confusing info on which is which...

But your explanation is just what I needed! :2thumbsup Cheers!

So, does it more or less comes down to a choice between no drag (and gawdawful noise) versus drag, but smooth and quiet?

Reason I ask, I have been seriously tempted by the Monster, so doing my research...

[johan]

Simpified: a wet clutch is soaked in the engine oil and will have clutch bits floating around the engine when worn.
A dry clutch has no oil. It's cleaner for the engine, easier to quickly change and service on the track, and make that lovely music their owners like. :)
Some owners like to replace the clutch cover with an open one where you can see the clutch plates spinnig. This makes more music and looks pretty cool too.

[johan]

:blink: Whos the cheeky bugger now?! :killingme
Dry clutch, and yea, they didn't sound too good. Like Scachas 748, awesome sounding engine that is drowned out by the clutch noise. :(


The clutch rattle will go away when it's under load and wasn't really designed to be quiet when idling at the stop lights. Scooters are pretty convenient for that.

[SimJen]

Dry clutches are sweet for racing as you can change them in a flash.
I found my dry clutch on my NSR250SP was more prone to slippage than a wet one, but made full power launches easier, it also wore out quicker and cost heaps more than a wet equivalent!
The rattle used to get some funny looks, I got tapped on the helmet by an old lady while taking my full licence, she told me something was wrong with my bike.....I didn't bother explaining ;)
I don't think the parasitic drag from a clutch is significant in modern bike engines these days, otherwise they'd all be dry type!
Modern oils and clutches are a lot better now than they used to be!

[007XX]

Thanks heaps guys :D

[FilthyLuka]

No sir i dont like it.

[SimJen]

I like it, a heap better than the 999 etc.
If I had that sort of coin to spend on an italian, i'd have Monica Belluci ;)

[Devil]

I want to have sex with that bike, and the new monster.

[007XX]

I want to have sex with that bike, and the new monster.

That's just disturbing...don't people get arrested for that these days? :eek::laugh:

[Devil]

Even my moustache wants to have sex with that bike.

[Drew]

Time to call the sponsors, our 749r's have been outdated.

[Mooch]

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/18november07_2008ducati848.htm

I like!!!!
What price here do you think?

Yeah looks good, going by the 1098 could be sub 30k.

On the other hand , the 1098R is out. 180ps out of a twin is outstanding.

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2008/ModelPage.jhtml?family=Superbike&model=SBK1098R-08

[ninjac]

I like it, a heap better than the 999 etc.
If I had that sort of coin to spend on an italian, i'd have Monica Belluci ;)
+1
Saw a movie set in WW2 with here. Minus clothes for much of it too. Can't recall the name.

[SimJen]

And back to the maintenance question: http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/maintenance.jhtml;jsessionid=5CR5XSJIE3K2WCRNCB3CF FQKFUIHSIV2

[Mooch]

I've never been able to understand why they went to a wet clutch...it sounds horrible!!!:oi-grr:

Could you guys enlighten me as to the advantages, cos I'm nonplussed...:confused:


Ducati designed the dry clutch system so their owners didn't have to put up with listening to jappas/scooters at traffic lights. :msn-wink:(Clutch is quieter when engaged)

Shame that some models have moved wet clutch, removes some of the character of owning a Duc.

(And you can't run cool looking open clutch covers anymore)

[SimJen]

No but you can always get one of them plexiglass type where you can see the internals etc through a little window!!!! Very Ricer..... red anodised bar ends will be next!!!

[idb]

The "baby" superbike is almost as big as my old 888 which was the flagship in its day...and over 30% more grunt!!!

[007XX]

Ducati designed the dry clutch system so their owners didn't have to put up with listening to jappas/scooters at traffic lights. :msn-wink:(Clutch is quieter when engaged)

Shame that some models have moved wet clutch, removes some of the character of owning a Duc.

(And you can't run cool looking open clutch covers anymore)

Trust me, my Jappa sounds real good (aftermarket twin carbon pipes on a Vtwin works wonders!) :girlfight: :laugh:

I guess it's a matter of personal taste more than anything then, unless you're racing, in which case it becomes more than just about pretty covers...:bleh:

[jrandom]

The most interesting bit of information in that press release for me was the specific mention of Ducati's engine designers using FEA to minimise wall thicknesses.

I love the way marketing drones seize on any technological-sounding tidbits they can to pad out their bullshit.

I'd be surprised if any motorcycle engine designed in the last 15 years hasn't benefited from such analysis.

In fact, it's all total blah.

I hate press releases.

Why don't they just say "We made a new bike. It goes faster than the old one. Innit purdy?"

[007XX]

Why don't they just say "We made a new bike. It goes faster than the old one. Innit purdy?"


Because you know as well as I do that a lot of people out there base their purchase selection on the very same press releases that make you cringe.

Besides, not all of them are bad, and there has to be somewhere where the uneducated get to start their research.:calm:

[Mooch]

I guess it's a matter of personal taste more than anything then, unless you're racing, in which case it becomes more than just about pretty covers...:bleh:

Joking & pose value asside the dry clutch does have good feel compared to wet clutch bikes I've ridden. The slipper clutch was also handy on the cliffhanger hill climb ealier this year. Was one thing less to worry about. :eek5:

[Drew]

Joking & pose value asside the dry clutch does have good feel compared to wet clutch bikes I've ridden. The slipper clutch was also handy on the cliffhanger hill climb ealier this year. Was one thing less to worry about. :eek5:

The dry clutch on our bikes feels bloody horrible, very hard to get a decent launch off the start grid.

The slipper action on the other hand is bloody excelent.

[koba]

The new "middleweight"? doesn't 849 cee cees make it a bit more than a middleweight?

I'm not a hundy percent on it but over 750cc twin would make it an f1 bike???

and of course its heaps faster than the 749, its a 100ceecees bigger!

Damn that makes me sound like I don't like it but it is a real sexxy bit of kiat and I'm just being a cynical prick :argh:

[limbimtimwim]

The more sports bikes Ducati release, the more damage it does to 748 and 749 prices. Which makes me a happy.

I quite like the idea of getting a damaged 749, fixing it up and painting it white with a little metalflake.... Hmm....

[Pwalo]

The new "middleweight"? doesn't 849 cee cees make it a bit more than a middleweight?

I'm not a hundy percent on it but over 750cc twin would make it an f1 bike???

and of course its heaps faster than the 749, its a 100ceecees bigger!

Damn that makes me sound like I don't like it but it is a real sexxy bit of kiat and I'm just being a cynical prick :argh:

Yep it's a bit rich calling an 850cc bike a middleweight (at least in sportsbike terms).

I do quite like the look of it though, especially as they seem to have tidied up the frame.

[jonbuoy]

It looks like every other jappa from the front, what happened to the sex on wheels Ducati styling?

[SVboy]

That is sooo sexy....where else would be a better place for $30000. A new Toyota Corolla and a holiday in Fiji?....dont think so!

[007XX]

Joking & pose value asside the dry clutch does have good feel compared to wet clutch bikes I've ridden. The slipper clutch was also handy on the cliffhanger hill climb ealier this year. Was one thing less to worry about. :eek5:

I bet...personally, I wouldn't try a hill climb without anything else than the dirtbike between my legs...I do miss my DR250 for that, especially at the Cold Kiwi's hill climb...

But anyways, does the slipper clutch come standard on some bikes or is that a special request kind of thing?

[Trudes]

Looks nice!!! Love the white, as long as someone else cleans the bugs, tar, oil and other assorted shit off it for me!:yes:

[Devil]

I bet...personally, I wouldn't try a hill climb without anything else than the dirtbike between my legs...I do miss my DR250 for that, especially at the Cold Kiwi's hill climb...

But anyways, does the slipper clutch come standard on some bikes or is that a special request kind of thing?

Comes standard on most of the latest sportsbikes, but not all.

[007XX]

Comes standard on most of the latest sportsbikes, but not all.

Hmmm...interesting! sorry guys, I guess this sort of question is the ABC of biking for you, but for me, it's part of the learning curve...

Cheers Devil. :D