Bloody Jap Whalers

[nudemetalz]

I see on the news they off again on "research purposes only"
:mad::2guns::ar15:

I reckon one of those GAU 30mm Rotary cannons as found on the A-10 mounted on the bow of the Greenpeace ship would make the sadistic Jap harpooners think twice......
Be all in the name of research, like how their ship's structure stands up to 30mm depleted uranium shells blasting through it....

[NighthawkNZ]

I see on the news they off again on "research purposes only"
:mad::2guns::ar15:



Bloody kiwi's eatng those so cute fluffy lambs, sheep, cows, pigs, fish, chicken... how could you...

[JimO]

they are doing a good thing, taking all those fat whales out of the water will drop the sea level exactly the same amount that global warming is raising it

[nudemetalz]

Bloody kiwi's eatng those so cute fluffy lambs, sheep, cows, pigs, fish, chicken... how could you...

but..they are not in danger of being extinct....

[imdying]

You have to be joking... whale is tasty, and Greenpeace are terrorists. I wouldn't muck about if I was a whaler, I'd ram those fools to the bottom of the ocean. What makes whales special, they've got a face.

I do however disagree with them being restricted on how they can whale. That precludes them from being able farm them correctly, to ensure their long term viability, and the sustainability of the industry.

[Grahameeboy]

Bloody kiwi's eatng those so cute fluffy lambs, sheep, cows, pigs, fish, chicken... how could you...

You have a point but apart from fish (although I guess there are fish farms), these farm animals are farmed for food whereas with whales are different. Read a book about a guy who followed whales all his life and there is a difference. You are talking about animals who can swim thousands of sea miles and meet mates, can talk across continents and one of the most peaceful animals on the planet.

[Freakshow]

Bloody kiwi's eatng those so cute fluffy lambs, sheep, cows, pigs, fish, chicken... how could you...

Different countries different customs. Aren't cows gods in India but Big Mac's in NZ???

If they eat whale then fine but stop hiding behind "research" and admit the real reason and decide on a quota the rest of the world is comfortable with and stick to it.
Until then GO Greepeace!

[jrandom]

I see on the news they off again on "research purposes only"

Are you a vegetarian?

If not, shut the fuck up.

Particularly shut the fuck up if you're not a vegetarian, but have never killed an animal with your own hands and then eaten it.

[oldrider]

Greenies and especially "Greenpeace" really piss me off normally but I really feel annoyed at the intrusion of the Japs into the South Pacific waters for their whaling.

I don't mind them whaling in their own territorial waters but their arrogant attitude into other nations and open waters strangely pisses me off!

Let them whale at home but I am against them whaling anywhere else.

The problem is Greenies are so economical with the truth when they want to press a point, it's hard to see the wood for the trees.

Maybe that would be better said as "it's hard to see the whales for the ocean".

I support "NO" to the Japs whaling outside their own territorial waters. :headbang: John.

PS: I would like to try eating whale meat, it sounds like it would be delicious! I really like eating meat! Whale and chips mmmmm. :bleh:

[FlangMasterJ]

Thar she blows!

[nudemetalz]

Are you a vegetarian?

If not, shut the fuck up.

Particularly shut the fuck up if you're not a vegetarian, but have never killed an animal with your own hands and then eaten it.

Yes I knew this topic would give some "different opinions"....... :dodge:

So, what you're saying is that even though I may never have killed an animal with my bare hands, I can't have an opinion on this?

[Ewan Oozarmy]

Yes I knew this topic would give some "different opinions"....... :dodge:

So, what you're saying is that even though I may never have killed an animal with my bare hands, I can't have an opinion on this?

I'm with you on this one. Whales are endangered and should therefore not be hunted. Along with tigers, elephants, white sharks, etc. I'm guessing this was your point here, right?

[jrandom]

So, what you're saying is that even though I may never have killed an animal with my bare hands, I can't have an opinion on this?

Not at all.

I just have a problem with hypocrisy, namely people who deplore the killing of animals with big sad brown eyes, then go home and eat steak and bacon.

You have no right to criticise the killing and eating of one particular species and not another.

[darkwolf]

Thar she blows!
How'd my ex get on kiwibiker :laugh:

[MisterD]

Particularly shut the fuck up if you're not a vegetarian, but have never killed an animal with your own hands and then eaten it.

What's that got to do with anything? Nobody kills cows by firing RPG's at them, and they don't take several hours to bleed to death at the works either.

Serious point:
If the Japs, Faroese (sp?) or whoever want to kill whales for historic cultural reasons, it's fine by me as long they do it in their historic cultural way from a fucking rowing boat.

Not so serious point:
Ban Japs from our golf courses, that's about the only way I can think of getting them to take notice.

[jonbuoy]

I don't care if it means I have double standards - I don't agree with killing Dogs, Cats, Horses, Whales, Dolphins, Turtles, Seals, fluffy rabbits or anything else that appeals to my human empathy for food.

[jrandom]

Whales are endangered and should therefore not be hunted.

Not true.

The International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources lists both the Southern Right Whale and the Minke Whale as 'Lower Risk, Conservation Dependant'.

In other words, they are not endangered and can be hunted under appropriate management without risk of extinction.

[jrandom]

Nobody kills cows by firing RPG's at them...

... but you gotta admit, that'd be cool.

:laugh:

[Eurodave]

If your not supposed to eat animals.....how come they are made of meat????

Mmmmmmm, dead whale blubber sushi......fried unfertalised chicken embryos, roasted rotting animal flesh, YUMMY!!!

[MisterD]

... but you gotta admit, that'd be cool.

:laugh:

Ha ha. Yeah, pre-heat your frying pan and run about trying to catch bits of shredded bovine rain..:lol:

[Ewan Oozarmy]

Not true.

The International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources lists both the Southern Right Whale and the Minke Whale as 'Lower Risk, Conservation Dependant'.

In other words, they are not endangered and can be hunted under appropriate management without risk of extinction.

I'm sure you're right, but the report I saw on Sky News said they were hunting Hump Backs which are endangered.

[Street Gerbil]

I reckon one of those GAU 30mm Rotary cannons as found on the A-10 mounted on the bow of the Greenpeace ship would make the sadistic Jap harpooners think twice......
Be all in the name of research, like how their ship's structure stands up to 30mm depleted uranium shells blasting through it....
I dig it
Greenpeace through superior firepower!

[jrandom]

I'm sure you're right, but the report I saw on Sky News said they were hunting Hump Backs which are endangered.

I'm not suggesting that the yellow bastards are doing it right. Apart from anything else, the 'research purposes' line the sneaky little cunts trot out is just face-saving stupidity. At least the Norwegians have the balls to front up about the fact that they're killing the critters commercially.

When countries who hunt whales are forced to operate outside of agreed international law, it becomes more likely that conservation issues will not be respected.

Far better to deal realistically with the situation via regulated, sustainable harvesting.

[MarkyMark]

Basically, the IWC and the Greenies have two seperate arguements:

1)We can't hunt whales because they're awesome and intelligent and cute and fluffy

2)We can't hunt whales because they're endangered

But in practice, these two arguments are entangled to such a degree there appears to be no distinction. There's a very good chance that a couple of species could be sustainably hunted, but the IWC has been hijacked by people who are against all whaling, so this is unlikely to be sanctioned. The Nips have no choice but to cave in to the sort of people who want to ban all meat eating, or go out on their own and break the rules. Until the IWC starts seriously investigating the sustainability and handing out appropriate quotas I find it hard to criticize our slanty-eyed neighbors to the north.


Except when they say they're targeting that white whale that Aussie tourists love so, that's just plain obnoxious.

[jrandom]

Except when they say they're targeting that white whale that Aussie tourists love so, that's just plain obnoxious.

I think someone may have mentioned the war.

[Hitcher]

You have no right to criticise the killing and eating of one particular species and not another.

I disagree. This planet's biodiversity is important. Farming animals for food is one thing. Wholesale frivolous slaughter of endangered species in the wild is something completely different. It's not as thought the Japanese are starving or lacking alternative sustainable sources of animal protein. Presumably you are also a supporter of the slaughter of elephants for ivory, rhinos for their horns and bears for their bile?

[Usarka]

I disagree. This planet's biodiversity is important. Farming animals for food is one thing. Wholesale frivolous slaughter of endangered species in the wild is something completely different. It's not as thought the Japanese are starving or lacking alternative sustainable sources of animal protein.

Most fish stocks in our oceans are dwindling too..... Plenty of fish in NZ restaurants and kitchens.

[Curious_AJ]

Different countries different customs. Aren't cows gods in India but Big Mac's in NZ???

If they eat whale then fine but stop hiding behind "research" and admit the real reason and decide on a quota the rest of the world is comfortable with and stick to it.
Until then GO Greepeace!

this is true... I don't condone whaling... ESPECIALLY in other waters... I don't like it in their waters.. but it's still better than going everywhere else and killing everyone else's whales!!

but with sharks .. people will happily kill them coz their ugly... I don't condone that either, they're intellegent, beautiful creatures who should be respected.. most of the shark species in the world are almost extinct SAVE THE SHARKS!!!

my argument is this... why do people think one type of endangered sea creature is better than another??


Yes I knew this topic would give some "different opinions"....... :dodge:

So, what you're saying is that even though I may never have killed an animal with my bare hands, I can't have an opinion on this?
hmmm yes "different oppinions... "

Not at all.

I just have a problem with hypocrisy, namely people who deplore the killing of animals with big sad brown eyes, then go home and eat steak and bacon.

You have no right to criticise the killing and eating of one particular species and not another.
I agree.. as i said before with the shark example... namely mako's, great whites and even nurse sharks


What's that got to do with anything? Nobody kills cows by firing RPG's at them, and they don't take several hours to bleed to death at the works either.

Serious point:
If the Japs, Faroese (sp?) or whoever want to kill whales for historic cultural reasons, it's fine by me as long they do it in their historic cultural way from a fucking rowing boat.

Not so serious point:
Ban Japs from our golf courses, that's about the only way I can think of getting them to take notice.
i agree...

I'm sure you're right, but the report I saw on Sky News said they were hunting Hump Backs which are endangered.
yeah, but does that make them hunting other whales okay???

Most fish stocks in our oceans are dwindling too..... Plenty of fish in NZ restaurants and kitchens.
exactly

[Hitcher]

Most fish stocks in our oceans are dwindling too..... Plenty of fish in NZ restaurants and kitchens.

Indeed. Even more reason to be cautious about numbers. If so-called marine biologists can't understand the dynamics of cod, snapper or orange roughy populations, then what credence should we give their opinions about the viability of whale populations?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

... but you gotta admit, that'd be cool.

:laugh:


What's that got to do with anything? Nobody kills cows by firing RPG's at them, and they don't take several hours to bleed to death at the works either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Le7fF4fnEI

[Curious_AJ]

Indeed. Even more reason to be cautious about numbers. If so-called marine biologists can't understand the dynamics of cod, snapper or orange roughy populations, then what credence should we give their opinions about the viability of whale populations?

if all the little fish are gone, what will things like sharks, orcas and giant squids eat??

I agree with havng to be cautious about numbers of small fish as well as bigger sea creatures... it's kind of a food chain thing... we moan about the people killing the big things, but not the small things... if the small things were to all disappear, so would the big things... but not many people think about it that way do they???

if you get my drift...

[marioc]

Some strange opinions in here,how can you possibly compare a domestic animal to a wild whale.

[SDU]

Putting aside whether you agree with whaling or not, No-one has the right to inflict cruelty/torture on another living creature as the whalers do in the kill- hunters know the kill should be quick & clean & No species should be driven to close extinction.
And yes sustainability is very important in the water & on the land - losing creatures from the food chain has serious consequences.

[Hitcher]

if you get my drift...

Hook, line and sinker.

[imdying]

but it's still better than going everywhere else and killing everyone else's whales!!Everyone else's whales? Like they're owned? Bet that's news to the whales...

[James Deuce]

Some strange opinions in here,how can you possibly compare a domestic animal to a wild whale.

The Japanese do.

Bear in mind that a large proportion of the whale population are global rangers as well. Killing them in the Southern Ocean is just convenience because the congregate there. It would be the same whale getting the chop in local waters as it would be in the Southern Ocean.

We don't understand how the Ocean's of the world maintain their ecosystems. We understand it less than we do the weather.

[MisterD]

Everyone else's whales? Like they're owned?

They belong to the mowrees in Kaikoura don't they?

[Curious_AJ]

Everyone else's whales? Like they're owned? Bet that's news to the whales...

well that's not what I meant and you know it...

any how... torturing any living thing IS WRONG!!

[James Deuce]

torturing any living thing IS WRONG!!

Bugger. There goes half my hobbies and one of the reasons I had kids.

[Colapop]

The only I have with the Japanese whaling fleet is that the species they are harvesting (for whatever reason) is being harvested at an unsustainable rate and the effect of said harvesting on the global oceanic ecosystem is not fully understood. The other issue I have is that the Jpanese are allowed so far from their own territorial waters to engage in the harvesting of these animals. Why do they not harvest the stock that are available in their own territorial waters?

[Usarka]

any how... torturing any living thing IS WRONG!!


Bugger. There goes half my hobbies and one of the reasons I had kids.

And I'd better stop reading these forums!

[Colapop]

Some strange opinions in here,how can you possibly compare a domestic animal to a wild whale.
Are goats wild and domestic? What about camels? Or many other species that have been domesticated?

[imdying]

They belong to the mowrees in Kaikoura don't they?True true, everything else appears to, why not whales?

any how... torturing any living thing IS WRONG!!I suspect if you felt how plush the seal skin seat I had made for my bike is, you'd change your mind :yes:

[Hitcher]

Land rights for all disabled lesbian whales. Now!

[Usarka]

That's the last time I go clubbing with Andrew Hore.....

[imdying]

The only I have with the Japanese whaling fleet is that the species they are harvesting (for whatever reason) is being harvested at an unsustainable rate and the effect of said harvesting on the global oceanic ecosystem is not fully understood.I agree :yes:

The other issue I have is that the Jpanese are allowed so far from their own territorial waters to engage in the harvesting of these animals. Why do they not harvest the stock that are available in their own territorial waters?Dude, these are whales... the whole freakin ocean is their home... you gotta be prepared to chase them a bit if you wanna kill them. Having said that though.... breeding them in big tanks would be the win, and you know 100% that the Japanese have the technical skill to achieve that :yes:

[Krusti]

krusti feeling guilty for having just devoured tin of sardines:laugh: ...bugger the food chain....I'm part of it.:Punk:

[flame]

Are goats wild and domestic? What about camels? Or many other species that have been domesticated?

Just about every domestic mammel has been domesticated by man. Many were creature that roamed wild before man found it's intended uses. I don't agree with whaling due to the sure extinction of a beautiful creature and the way it's performed using torturous methods. I wouldn't have a problem if they bred and killed their own 'farmed' whales if it was carried out in as humane way as possible. But the heartless japs will never care to do that, they will continue to find cruel ways of sacrifice to help them find aphrodiziacs(sp) so they can continue to breed like dung flies.
I think people however get a little bit wound up over the 'use' of animals/fish/birds. Personally....eat what ya like, dog, cat, chicken, cows and even rats if it's your thing. Man is the leader of mammels, it's up to us to use our heads, and respect the sourse's we have, by that I mean....use them wisely, and protect their existance if necessary.

For the super pc brigade.......you do realize just how many calves are sacrificed each year just so you can have your cafe' latte don't you??? Yes they are at our disposal, and done correctly and respectfully as it is now,we will have our yummy latte's for years to come.

[jonbuoy]

Some strange opinions in here,how can you possibly compare a domestic animal to a wild whale.

A wild animal is far more vulnerable than a domestic one. They would make great pets if they weren't so damn big.

[marioc]

Are goats wild and domestic? What about camels? Or many other species that have been domesticated?


Sorry I dont get you,yes those animals have been domesticated.
Whales...no thats my point,you cant compare them.

[Krusti]

Sorry I dont get you,yes those animals have been domesticated.
Whales...no thats my point,you cant compare them.

Big girls need love too....:love:

[marioc]

Yes,yes they do and I have done my bit in the past :beer: always helps

[FlangMasterJ]

... but you gotta admit, that'd be cool.

:laugh:

It is.....PHlmNVoY0W8

[GaZBur]

... But the heartless japs will never care to do that, they will continue to find cruel ways of sacrifice to help them find aphrodiziacs(sp) so they can continue to breed like dung flies..
Wow!!! Thats just a wee bit racist don't you think? Do you know any Japanese? They made my bike you know, and before you say you don't ride a Jap bike - your bike was made by guys on the same side in WWII albeit of a different colour.
OK - I think I will from now on just look at bike related threads.
Enjoy you arguements guys!
"Damn - I mentioned the war - but think I got away with it" Basil Fawlty.

[idleidolidyll]

mmmmmm! whale sushi!

[idleidolidyll]

Just about every domestic mammel has been domesticated by man.

and all the other domestic animals were domesticated by aliens.................

[NighthawkNZ]

Its not just the Japaness yah know... What about many of the Scandinavian countries that eat whale meat... it just that the japeness have a b igger population.

However let me say this, I personally do not have anything against whale hunting, what I do have something against, like a few here and agree with is hunting to extinction (especially in this day and age) as well as people trying to change other cultures just because you disagree with what they believe do, and how they live, including what they eat.

enough from me.

[Mikkel]

After the RPG comment I was just waiting for someone to dig out the good old Bad Taste clip :niceone:


Just about every domestic mammel has been domesticated by man.

Not just about - it kinda goes with the territory...


and all the other domestic animals were domesticated by aliens.................

You beat me to it...

Anyway - when was the last time a whale did anything for you? (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=whales_suck)

Personally I don't have an opinion on the subject - I don't know what whale meat tastes like.

[SPman]

The Norwegians have decided to stop whaling, I think, because its not financially viable, the Japs do it, as much out of sheer cussedness, these days. Sales are falling in Japan, despite active promotion by the whaling organisation. They also harpoon any whale, regardless of species, if they think they can get away with it.Tests on whalemeat collected in Japanese shops, revealed, Blue, Finn & Humpback, as well as the species they said they were hunting. Over here, they're concerned about the Nips taking the White Humpback, which is rather rare and "belongs to the Abo's".....so the Aussie Gov. won't give a shit.

Personally, I've given up on complaining and bitching. When they've hunted the last whale in the ocean and the last fish in the sea (it can happen - they fished out the Newfoundland cod grounds) and they're fucked, and so is the rest of the populace, will I care???

Anyway - whale meat tastes like crap!

[puddytat]

SAVE WHALES....EAT JAPS!!. I cant condone the killing of an endangered species,especially one with a I.Q in the region of ours. Yup, I eat meat but Im not hypocritical as I raise my own & do the deed myself with a bullet to the head.
I also work in the tourism industry & I can assure you that every Nip that walks in the door is going to "loose face" (jap term for being embarrased)...the 3 times that its happened this week other foreign tourists there either applauded or voiced agreement after my wee lecture.They might make good vehicles, but thats about it.Yes ,I will be selling my bike soon, cause I reckon youll struggle to sell them next year when the "Depression" kicks in....
As for the Greenies, you plonkers that blame them for everything got your heads up your asses,youre probably still clinging to the myth that Global Warmings a myth ,& that we'll still be drivin' our vehicles as we do now in 10 yrs time. You'll believe Govts & industrial mouthpieces over an organisation thats trying to save our planet? Wake the F@#k up & smell the pollution. Your a bunch of self centered, selfish twats & it'll be the likes of you that,ll be the reason we'll have to go thru the biggest threat to OUR species EVER instead of getting on with doin' something about it now....least thats my opinion .

[Mikkel]

Puddytat, besides being a bit racistic I must say I agree with most of your post. There is one exception though.


I cant condone the killing of an endangered species,especially one with a I.Q in the region of ours.

...I think you can only speak for yourself on that count. ;)

[flame]

and all the other domestic animals were domesticated by aliens.................

er......wake up buddy, that was my point!

But seriously....for the record, not all mammels had the need to be domesticated, mules for example???? hmmmmmm???? wake up dude!

[marioc]

ffs its mammals!!!!!!!

[Colapop]

Sorry I dont get you,yes those animals have been domesticated. Whales...no thats my point,you cant compare them.
Animals have been domesticated and farmed for ages. They are a sustainable crop. If harvesting whales was sustainable - life span, breeding stocks, genetic diversity and their harvest did not effect the ocean's ecosystem - I wouldn't give a shit how many got slaughtered.

I'd still have a problem with the Japs trailing halfway round the world to get them though. Make sure you can survive on your on patch of turf before you go off stealing apples from someone else's orchard, so to speak.

As far as "inhumane torture" - ever seen a farm animal slaughtered? I know you have Flame, so what's the difference? Up until a few short years ago cattle were shot with pneumatic guns at the works. That apparently was inhumane torture.

[flame]

As far as "inhumane torture" - ever seen a farm animal slaughtered? I know you have Flame, so what's the difference? Up until a few short years ago cattle were shot with pneumatic guns at the works. That apparently was inhumane torture.

the difference been the intention of a captive bolt, or electric forceps, or bullet is to give an efficient end to the nervous system sensing pain/followed by a complete termination if nesessary. Of course sometimes it can go wrong, and doesn't give the desired effect, however....the intention is to cull the animal as humane as is possible.

Have you ever had a fish served up to you on a plate with it's meat cooked, but body/gills still gasping for the oxygen it receives through the water?????? I think there is obviously quite a difference in what different people perceive as a humane vs prolonged death. Which would you rather have????

[flame]

ffs its mammals!!!!!!!

who cares about spelling? or is it spilling? or spulling for all I care! Diction doesn't make a person.

FFS......should read 'for fark sake' by the way! :rolleyes:

[Usarka]

Domesticated? Oh fetch my slippers from beside the fire Daisy......

[Colapop]

Have you ever had a fish served up to you on a plate with it's meat cooked, but body/gills still gasping for the oxygen it receives through the water?????? I think there is obviously quite a difference in what different people perceive as a humane vs prolonged death. Which would you rather have????
Nope never had fish cooked liked that. How is that done? (serious question)

My point is that there are many ways that many animals are killed and eaten around the world. If a method is considered ok in one country or culture but not in another does that make it wrong?

[Drew]

Nope never had fish cooked liked that. How is that done? (serious question)


Never heard of it in this country, but in Japan the fish is scooped out of a tank, fileted alive, said fillets are then seered and delivered to you beside a gasping fish with no sides.

Your other question is one of morality, as is most of this thread I guess.

Is it acceptable to sell used womans nickers through vending machines? Quite common in Japan.

This thread is as informative as the inside of a toilet bowl while you're having a chuck, nothing good to be seen, but ya dont wanna look away just incase.

[Usarka]

This thread is as informative as the inside of a toilet bowl while you're having a chuck, nothing good to be seen, but ya dont wanna look away just incase.

You might be able to tell if you have bowel cancer. worth checking.