So who is voting Labour next election?

[Deano]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10477409

Now it's potentially illegal to protest peacefully. "Someone' ordered the cops to move them on, but now that the Police Complaints authority have upheld the complaint (albeit 8 effing years later...) the Gov't just changes the rules to make it ok.

Sound familiar.?

Talk about arrogant.

[MSTRS]

Arrogant, yes. Gonna stay in power...NO!!! not if my vote can make a difference.

[Maha]

Whats a 'Labour'???

[nodrog]

Whats a 'Labour'???

its a type of dog, commonly used by water fowl hunters.

[vifferman]

I've mostly voted Labour all my voting life (the Muldoon gummint of the '70s being the catalyst for that), but despite thinking Alan Clark is the best PM we've had for some time, I'm so fuktoff with the shenanigans and arrogance of the current lot, I've had more than enough of them.
The trouble is, are any of "the other lot" any more credible? :spudwhat:

IMHO, they're all (by and large) self-seeking and take themselves way too seriously and their responsibility to the people they're supposed to be representing and serving WAY too lightly.:spanking:

[MSTRS]

Whats a 'Labour'???

You know how when you cut yourself, it hurts and the red stuff comes out?? Well, this is a clue and a reminder for all those too stupid to remember for themselves.
The red stuff is the Labour's colour of choice, so you know that when the red stuff is about, it is going to hurt. And when the booboo scabs over, do not pick at it, cos it will only make the red stuff come back and hurt you all over again..
Now, everyone knows that the colour blue is cool, and when the sky is blue, that is an excellent time to ride your bike. This is another clue and a reminder etc....blue is good and co-incidently is the colour choice of the National.
Go forth and spread the word.
Oh - and those pesky car manufacturers try to fool you...don't worry about red or blue there...just buy the one that suits you, cos apart from Bathurst, we don't care what you drive.

[Deano]

I've mostly voted Labour all my voting life (the Muldoon gummint of the '70s being the catalyst for that), but despite thinking Alan Clark is the best PM we've had for some time, I'm so fuktoff with the shenanigans and arrogance of the current lot, I've had more than enough of them.
The trouble is, are any of "the other lot" any more credible? :spudwhat:

IMHO, they're all (by and large) self-seeking and take themselves way too seriously and their responsibility to the people they're supposed to be representing and serving WAY too lightly.:spanking:

I agree. We don't vote govt's In in NZ, we vote them OUT.

They are no better than each other really, but the longer they are in office, the more they think they can get away with.

[jrandom]

+1 to vifferman and Deano.

ALCP for the win!

[rwh]

I see an article about the suppression of protests, but not the bit about the law change?

Richard

[MSTRS]

I see an article about the suppression of protests, but not the bit about the law change?

Richard

It's been suppressed....

[janno]

I've always been a bit of a chardonnay liberal, but even I have had a gutsful of the current regime, which says volumes for how ludicrous their policies have become.

But Mr Keys and brethren are a dismal bunch as well. Bring back the McGillicuddy's!

[Maha]

You know how when you cut yourself, it hurts and the red stuff comes out?? Well, this is a clue and a reminder for all those too stupid to remember for themselves.


You do know that blood is actually Blue!...only turns red when exposed to Air...:girlfight:

[MSTRS]

Dig up Rod Donald

[007XX]

I've mostly voted Labour all my voting life (the Muldoon gummint of the '70s being the catalyst for that), but despite thinking Alan Clark is the best PM we've had for some time, I'm so fuktoff with the shenanigans and arrogance of the current lot, I've had more than enough of them.
The trouble is, are any of "the other lot" any more credible? :spudwhat:

IMHO, they're all (by and large) self-seeking and take themselves way too seriously and their responsibility to the people they're supposed to be representing and serving WAY too lightly.:spanking:


I agree. We don't vote govt's In in NZ, we vote them OUT.

They are no better than each other really, but the longer they are in office, the more they think they can get away with.


+1...

And my reply to the actual question would be:





*that's right...abysmal silence. Can ya hear the cicadas??*

[rwh]

I guess this is it:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4282231a11.html

Seems like it's not going as far as the people complaining are claiming, but it's stupid to link it to VIPs - if it's genuinely offensive behaviour, then nobody should be subjected to it.

Richard

[jrandom]

Can ya hear the cicadas?

Crickets.

It's crickets that are the canonical filler of silence. Cicadas sound too much like benchsaws to be rhetorically appropriate.

[Pussy]

You got more chance of finding a reggae band at a Klu Klux Klan convention than finding me voting labour

[007XX]

Crickets.

It's crickets that are the canonical filler of silence. Cicadas sound too much like benchsaws to be rhetorically appropriate.

So bite me! i like the cicadas better...:bleh:

[jrandom]

... bite me!

Anywhere in particular?

[WRT]

I guess this is it:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4282231a11.html

Seems like it's not going as far as the people complaining are claiming, but it's stupid to link it to VIPs - if it's genuinely offensive behaviour, then nobody should be subjected to it.

Richard

If it's genuinely offensive behavior then there is bound to be some other law that would allow the police to arrest and remove the offender. The example Annette King gave was someone waving the genitals at the Queen. I'm sure there must already be a law against waving your tackle round in public, regardless of whether the Queen is present or not, without them having to bring in a new policy against it.

This just looks like they are giving the police the ability to shift on anyone who doesn't conform to their way of thinking. I, for one, don't like that idea.

[007XX]

Anywhere in particular?

Oh, so i can actually put in an order for this? Sweeeeeettt...:lol:
I am particularly fond of the back of my neck being nibbled on actually...:innocent:

:rofl:

But anyway, back on topic....I honnestly pray to everything that's good that Labour doesn't get back in...Like Vifferman said, I used to think quite a bit about Helen Clark in her capacity as PM...but not anymore after the whole "anti smacking" debacle...That started the landslide for me....

[jrandom]

... not anymore after the whole "anit smacking" debacle...

Yes, poor Anit!

:laugh:

I supported the anti-smacking bill, and have always been cautiously in favour of Labour's social policies, but the Electoral Finance Bill was the final straw.

The ALCP (http://www.alcp.org.nz/) is getting my party vote this election.

[007XX]

I supported the anti-smacking bill

Ya whaaaaaaatt??? :shit:

No, no, no, nooooooooo...please tell me it isn't true!?! :no:

Right that's it...me thinks this will have to be healthily debated in front of a cold drink sometimes soon! :done:

[jrandom]

Right that's it...me thinks this will have to be healthily debated in front of a cold drink sometimes soon!

Usual Thursday night bat time and bat channel?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I will be voteing for them.

[007XX]

Usual Thursday night bat time and bat channel?

Roger that...:2thumbsup

[Sully60]

I am particularly fond of the back of my neck being nibbled on actually...:innocent:

:...but not anymore after the whole "anit smacking" debacle...That started the landslide for me....

Biting and smacking???
You'll definately be a criminal if labour gets back in again.:nono:

This is an interesting topic if we take into account the political spectrum thread where it seemed the majority of people fell into the centre leftist(ish) catagory.
This is where I sat being your typical blue collar, slighty socialist, long term Labour supporter but now that I'm all grown up all I want is a TAX CUT,
Not to be wrapped in cotton wool and told how to raise my kids, how fast to drive, how much I should drink and the list seems to go on ad nauseam(SP)

Say no to the Nanny state centerist biege self serving politicians that have created this liberal utopia.

But what's the alternative:confused:

I feel a bit better after that, back to work now! gotta pay their wages!

[NZsarge]

You got more chance of finding a reggae band at a Klu Klux Klan convention than finding me voting labour

Ha ha.....+1

[Mully]

Hang on, III will be here shortly to sort us out......

*waiting, waiting*

BTW, I wont vote for Alan Clarke either. Also, what's the point of having children if you can't beat them?? Honestly. Take all the fun away.

[pritch]

The red stuff is the Labour's colour of choice,
blue is good and co-incidently is the colour choice of the National.


Ahhh you seem to forget...

We now not only have more colours to choose from, (not that any of the others are actually any improvement), we also get to choose two.

I haven't decided yet, but quite possibly I might not vote for either red or blue.

[Deano]

I see an article about the suppression of protests, but not the bit about the law change?

Richard

That bit was in the DomPost.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4282066a6479.html (I just see from previous you have found it)

"However, Police Minister Annette King defended the new instructions. "If behaviour is truly offensive in the normal sense, such as exposing genitals or buttocks in a crude way during a visit by the Queen, for example, then it is appropriate for the police to take action to move such protesters on."

Yeah - it's called offensive behaviour and it is already an offence.

[MisterD]

Vote Labour? Don't be daft lad.

If Alan Clarke gets back in, I'm off to Aussie...I'd rather take the gyp about the cricket than put up with another three years of this.

[yungatart]

Ahhh you seem to forget...

We now not only have more colours to choose from, (not that any of the others are actually any improvement), we also get to choose two.



Like green, the colour of snot and Brussels Sprouts, or black, the colour of doom, gloom and death....

[darkwolf]

With the amount of politcal agenda that this forum has had in the past ?month? that I've been on here - why not start a political party? We all seem to know better, so why not do something rather than sit back and bitch and moan?

[Deano]

With the amount of politcal agenda that this forum has had in the past ?month? that I've been on here - why not start a political party? We all seem to know better, so why not do something rather than sit back and bitch and moan?

Personally, over the past few years I've made several submissions to the Gubbmint, written a few letters, and made one phone call. Got what I would call a good result once - that's if you get a response.

Thanks for asking. :Pokey:

[darkwolf]

I'm glad to hear it - and my post wasn't a "I'm sick of this shit" it was a "why don't we?" It seems like a good idea. I just don't have any idea of the proper channels needed to do it. And I'm studying to be an accountant so i'd be too easy to make fun of on a moral ground. :)

[Deano]

I'm glad to hear it - and my post wasn't a "I'm sick of this shit" it was a "why don't we?" It seems like a good idea. I just don't have any idea of the proper channels needed to do it. And I'm studying to be an accountant so i'd be too easy to make fun of on a moral ground. :)

Sweet as - not having a dig at ya either - hence the pokey.

I tell ya, its frustrating when you go through the proper channels and don't even get the courtsey of a response from the bastards.

[Dafe]

Never voted Labour! Never Will!

I got a feeling the election will be very close again.

Labour is closing up the gap every single day!

Whilst we have the working New Zealanders emigrating to Australia (currently at the highest rate in history).
The proportion of Beneficiaries in this country increases.
That's less workers paying taxes meaning you and I pick up the slack each day.
That's what labour is all about. Benefits, handouts and corruption!
At least National supports the working class, not the beneficiaries.

Another thing. This bullshit government owned media is always going on about the lowest rates of unemployment seen. Makes me sick!
Thats because we've never had so many part timers. Part timers that work less than 10 hours a week and take home a low income earner handout to pay for their booze and cigarettes. These part time beneficiaries are supposedly employed.
If they're on a sickness benefit, they're not even counted.
What a have! Corrupt dare I say.

The recent polls run by the media stated that majority of NZ'ers wanted money put back into Public Services like Health and Education rather than to receive a tax cut.
What a crock of shit that is.
There are so many beneficiaries and part-timers in this country. They are all voting for the full time workforce to spend their money on services because they know they won't benefit in any way from a workforce tax payout.

National would support the Tax Payout, because National believe that if you earned the money, you earned the payout.

Labour's view is: The workers earn the money. The workers already pay for the beneficiaries lazy lifestyles. However, the workers tax cut money can still go to both the workers and the beneficiaries. Maybe just because it's the workers left over money and Labour doesn't give a shit about the workers.

[Street Gerbil]

Any chance of John Howard moving to NZ? I'd vote for him.

[Dafe]

Vote for the Tuhoe Party - Vote for Party Leader Tame Iti!!!
and vote in new minister of police - Jamie Lockett. :laugh:

[Qkkid]

2 National votes in our house:niceone:

[Usarka]

Half the posts in this thread will be illegal in election year once this new bill comes in.

Oh but dont worry the government expects "common sense" to dictate whether something is illegal or not.

WANKERS

[ynot slow]

Never voted labour ,but have voted act,national,social credit(only cause the person was a good one not for policy),then we got mmp and I thought shit hot can give party vote to whoever and vote for best mp even if different parties,was ok until to get a majority you had all the tossers saying if I'm minister for banking (anderton),foreign affairs(winny),we'll enable you to govern.

Like the new GREEN PARTY with Trevor Mallard as leader,he must be ok as he's been planting natives last month.:soon:

[Finn]

The trouble is that National could get a majority of the votes but still not govern because of this nandy, pandy, let's let all the losers in MMP. Even if National get in, it would be difficult for me to stay. I'm so over the place.

[Magua]

I voted labour at the last election, but they wont be getting my vote this time around. Trouble is, I'm not seeing anyone I want to vote for.

[sprag]

I just love how they do this.

"Oh crap we have done something wrong"

Helen: "never mind we will just change the law, problem sloved"

So they do something wrong, change the law then say they never did anything wrong because the law has changed so now its right.

[Skyryder]

I can remembew when Piggy was in power and everbody was a financial whiz who knew what they were about. Twelve months later most that voted for him regretted doing so or claimed that they never did.

Same thing will happen if U Turn Key gets in. Just watch everybody moan. Labour will get my Party vote. That's the one that will keep them in power.

Skyrder.

[ElCoyote]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10477409

Now it's potentially illegal to protest peacefully. "Someone' ordered the cops to move them on, but now that the Police Complaints authority have upheld the complaint (albeit 8 effing years later...) the Gov't just changes the rules to make it ok.

Sound familiar.?

Talk about arrogant.

Why do you ask comrade?

[Usarka]

I can remembew when Piggy was in power and everbody was a financial whiz who knew what they were about. Twelve months later most that voted for him regretted doing so or claimed that they never did.

Same thing will happen if U Turn Key gets in. Just watch everybody moan. Labour will get my Party vote. That's the one that will keep them in power.

Skyrder.

Logical conclusion........

[Dafe]

I can remembew when Piggy was in power and everbody was a financial whiz who knew what they were about. Twelve months later most that voted for him regretted doing so or claimed that they never did.

Same thing will happen if U Turn Key gets in. Just watch everybody moan. Labour will get my Party vote. That's the one that will keep them in power.

Skyrder.

Not me mate!

I've only ever backed National and if Nats aren't doing well: I only say - It's time the National leader changed!

[Dafe]

I voted labour at the last election, but they wont be getting my vote this time around. Trouble is, I'm not seeing anyone I want to vote for.

Thats often the case, but if you see who you don't want in power, then use your vote against them most effectively! Vote their biggest opposition.

[James Deuce]

Usual simplistic waffle from KBers about politics. New Zealanders have real power at their fingertips and you're all too scared to use it. You can construct the government you want, but instead of organising, you'll wait until the last second and then bitch and whine about there being no one to vote for (because you did no research) and then waste both your votes on the same party. This is how Labour keeps getting back in.

That protest was bullshit anyway. "Free Tibet"? The Dalai Lama is no freaking saint. He's the head of what used to be one of the most tyrannical Theocracies ever seen. The Tibetans lived in squalor under the rule of the Lamas, no electricity, no roads, no communication with other cultures, and didn't own a thing they stood up in and were required to donate a significant part of their income and "possessions" to local monasteries. Feudal serfdom with a smiling face and romantic tradition at its head.

For once, the Chinese have actually raised the standard of living, and given the bulk of the population greater social status with their reforms.

[Finn]

I voted labour at the last election, but they wont be getting my vote this time around. Trouble is, I'm not seeing anyone I want to vote for.

Any vote for any other party other than National (and ACT) is a vote for Labour.

[Grahameeboy]

Any vote for any other party other than National (and ACT) is a vote for Labour.

So in that case I will not vote.

Whoever is in power, it does not make a lot of difference in the grande scheme of things.

[tuhoerider]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10477409

Now it's potentially illegal to protest peacefully. "Someone' ordered the cops to move them on, but now that the Police Complaints authority have upheld the complaint (albeit 8 effing years later...) the Gov't just changes the rules to make it ok.

Sound familiar.?

Talk about arrogant.

I will be voting for turiana turia and what ever tuhoe tyrants she is running with this year

[Deano]

Usual simplistic waffle from KBers about politics. New Zealanders have real power at their fingertips and you're all too scared to use it. You can construct the government you want, but instead of organising, you'll wait until the last second and then bitch and whine about there being no one to vote for (because you did no research) and then waste both your votes on the same party. This is how Labour keeps getting back in.

That protest was bullshit anyway. "Free Tibet"? The Dalai Lama is no freaking saint. He's the head of what used to be one of the most tyrannical Theocracies ever seen. The Tibetans lived in squalor under the rule of the Lamas, no electricity, no roads, no communication with other cultures, and didn't own a thing they stood up in and were required to donate a significant part of their income and "possessions" to local monasteries. Feudal serfdom with a smiling face and romantic tradition at its head.

For once, the Chinese have actually raised the standard of living, and given the bulk of the population greater social status with their reforms.

Thanks Jim for explaining it all and putting us back in our place where we belong huh ?.

[marioc]

I like Helen Clark and the alternatives do not look particulary appealing imo.

[Swoop]

Vote Labour? Don't be daft lad.
If Alan Clarke gets back in, I'm off to Aussie...

I find it laughable that our gummint is purportedly "there for the common folk", the lowly paid, etc. Yet so many are heading over the ditch for a better life.

Guess we don't need the red tyrant any longer...

Thank goodness for MMP. Without that the labourite sect would have ruled completely, without having to gather up other groups of weirdos to make up the numbers.:buggerd:

[James Deuce]

Thanks Jim for explaining it all and putting us back in our place where we belong huh ?.

You have to admit it's frustrating to watch the same old argument come up and end up with the same old result.

[Finn]

Whoever is in power, it does not make a lot of difference in the grande scheme of things.

Actually, it does make a difference if you know where to look. Labour has successfully destroyed the very fabric of this nation. Little by little, inch by inch. It is common to reference left wing politics much like a slow eating cancer. Labour is a terminal disease and must be irradiated.

While I understand your MO is "in God we trust" and by nature you will try to see good in everything, several hundred kiwi's a week don't agree with you and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

If we do not change the path we are on, NZ will have a very marginal middle class, a HUGE and POOR working class and there will be a few wealthy people that use this as a playground.

So back to your original comment, the difference is huge. It'll just take National some time to reverse engineer all the fucks ups and indoctrination. If they get in, it will be a mammoth task.

[Usarka]

3 of our company's senior management team have told me they will very seriously be looking to relocate overseas if Labour get re-elected.

i dont believe finn is embellishing the situation.

[Deano]

You have to admit it's frustrating to watch the same old argument come up and end up with the same old result.

Well I don't know what more I can do. You say the power is at our fingertips and I have used mine by writing letters, making submissions, dialling the phone number........I don't know what more to do.

What frustrates me is Aunty Helen telling us how to live, changing the rules to suit themselves, trying to silence our speech......etc etc etc.

They say power corrupts - well let's take away the power.

[devnull]

I'm with Finn...

Will vote National, but I can't see them reversing the social decline for quite some years, so Oz is pretty much on the cards for us.

This govt has brought us restrictions on free speech (police rules regarding protests that might offend a VIP, Electoral Reform Bill), partisan politics in schools (Al Gore's movie - pseudoscience at its best), not to mention Bradford's S.59 Bill - extremely poor legislation, again based on emotive rhetoric because cold, hard, science had demonstrated that the opposite of what was claimed is true i.e. they lied to us big-time.

Appalling that things like this now happen:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a12855.html

We've seen wholesale social decline, decent medical care and education are things to envy in first world countries, and we've made rapid progress toward the bottom of the OECD rankings.

I don't care what the political party is called - any group that wreaks that amount of destruction to a country's internal structure needs to be removed, the sooner the better.

While I'd like to see things like personal responsibility, safe schools with quality teaching, etc. here, in reality I'm only going to get those by moving... :weep:

[James Deuce]

Well I don't know what more I can do. You say the power is at our fingertips and I have used mine by writing letters, making submissions, dialling the phone number........I don't know what more to do.


Organised voting blocs. Other countries with proportional representation systems will organise a government by getting voters to vote proportionally for different parties that will constitute a Government. Want National in as the coalition leader?

National voters may need to concentrate on getting NZ First, United Future, and ACT constituency candidates into parliament while giving their list vote to National. Both of the first two parties will do whatever they're told by the leading major party post election.

[rwh]

Any vote for any other party other than National (and ACT) is a vote for Labour.

Maybe for a Labour led coalition, but with a different balance.

Richard

[Grahameeboy]

Actually, it does make a difference if you know where to look. Labour has successfully destroyed the very fabric of this nation. Little by little, inch by inch. It is common to reference left wing politics much like a slow eating cancer. Labour is a terminal disease and must be irradiated.

While I understand your MO is "in God we trust" and by nature you will try to see good in everything, several hundred kiwi's a week don't agree with you and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

If we do not change the path we are on, NZ will have a very marginal middle class, a HUGE and POOR working class and there will be a few wealthy people that use this as a playground.

So back to your original comment, the difference is huge. It'll just take National some time to reverse engineer all the fucks ups and indoctrination. If they get in, it will be a mammoth task.

To be honest this has been my MO well before I became a Christian.

Only 10% of the poulation earn over $100,000 and the average wage is around the $30,000 odd mark.

Even those less fortunate still have a pretty good lifestyle compared to say the comparable class in say the UK or America.

I often see Pacific island families in their old cars on mass at some beach having a great time. Where would you see that in say places like Bow in London or St Pauls in Bristol where white Police are not allowed and a while back, no Police would enter the area.

Paranoia is out biggest enemy and we allow it to take away the fabric of our life.

I chose my fabric and we all can if we want.

[Grahameeboy]

I'm with Finn...

Will vote National, but I can't see them reversing the social decline for quite some years, so Oz is pretty much on the cards for us.

Where..........didn't Aussie have some race riots recently.......sounds like the place to be eh?

This govt has brought us restrictions on free speech (police rules regarding protests that might offend a VIP, Electoral Reform Bill), partisan politics in schools (Al Gore's movie - pseudoscience at its best), not to mention Bradford's S.59 Bill - extremely poor legislation, again based on emotive rhetoric because cold, hard, science had demonstrated that the opposite of what was claimed is true i.e. they lied to us big-time.

Only at election time and what % of the population actually use that right?

Laws should not be based on science.

Appalling that things like this now happen:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a12855.html

We've seen wholesale social decline, decent medical care and education are things to envy in first world countries, and we've made rapid progress toward the bottom of the OECD rankings.

Like the UK you mean?

Compare our geographic location, population etc to other OECD countries

I don't care what the political party is called - any group that wreaks that amount of destruction to a country's internal structure needs to be removed, the sooner the better.

What destruction.

While I'd like to see things like personal responsibility, safe schools with quality teaching, etc. here, in reality I'm only going to get those by moving... :weep:

Okay lets take personal responsibility. A survey in 2000 showed that 97% of the poulation expected the Govt to help them................now they complain when the Govt trys to do that. This Country is not capable of taking responsibility so they need the Govt whether they like it or not.

Schools.............why are they not safe. Try schools in the UK or worst still America............yep life is hard here. I went to London schools in the 70's it would shock you what happened then. A whole block was set fire to, regular gang bashings............you would be playing in the playground, the one clear side, the gang would line up and charge the playground kicking everyone they could get............yep our schools are pretty unsafe.




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[MSTRS]

I chose my fabric and we all can if we want.

When it comes to the fabric of society, you can choose only once every three years.
And when you look closely, you will see the Empress has no clothes....so why would you let her chose yours for you?

[Grahameeboy]

When it comes to the fabric of society, you can choose only once every three years.
And when you look closely, you will see the Empress has no clothes....so why would you let her chose yours for you?

That is exactly my point, I dress myself. I know that sounds odd but it makes sense to me and I am content with life etc.

Yes I have crap to sort out but rather than let it undress me I just see it as a positive..............and get on with life.

[Magua]

Any vote for any other party other than National (and ACT) is a vote for Labour.

I took a quick look at ACT's website, and I liked what I saw. Trouble is, they
only show you the three policies they want you to see.

How far away is the election now? I've got some time to make up my mind.

[Grahameeboy]

3 of our company's senior management team have told me they will very seriously be looking to relocate overseas if Labour get re-elected.

i dont believe finn is embellishing the situation.

What about overseas firms who want to invest in NZ.............but get told to '!@#$off'................

[MSTRS]

That is exactly my point, I dress myself. I know that sounds odd but it makes sense to me and I am content with life etc.

Yes I have crap to sort out but rather than let it undress me I just see it as a positive..............and get on with life.

Yes yes blah blah....
The problem with that reasoning is that you do not control society. And it is steadily encroaching on the mini-society you have until now chosen for yourself in your own home. Take the tobacco issue...It's a dirty habit, bad for your health etc (yes, I smoke, yaaboo), but will (this) government outlaw sales? No. Instead keep increasing proscribed areas. Now the talk is of making it illegal in your car. The logical step is then in your own home. See?

[MSTRS]

Okay lets take personal responsibility. A survey in 2000 showed that 97% of the poulation expected the Govt to help them................now they complain when the Govt trys to do that. This Country is not capable of taking responsibility so they need the Govt whether they like it or not.

I think you will find that that should read 'hoped'....
And why do you think that is? Could it be that the steepening slippery slope of state-control has nearly reached the bottom? I shudder to think what happens when a near-vertical slope meets a near-flat surface....

[Grahameeboy]

Yes yes blah blah....
The problem with that reasoning is that you do not control society. And it is steadily encroaching on the mini-society you have until now chosen for yourself in your own home. Take the tobacco issue...It's a dirty habit, bad for your health etc (yes, I smoke, yaaboo), but will (this) government outlaw sales? No. Instead keep increasing proscribed areas. Now the talk is of making it illegal in your car. The logical step is then in your own home. See?

I don't want to control society.

Smoking. Well what is wrong with not smoking in your car.........no different to texting which most people seem to agree is wrong.

Logical step banning smoking in your home? Paranoia.............the Govt make heaps of taxes from tobacco sales so if they banned from cars, pub's etc and homes then logically one would not be able to smoke outside so where is the logic in that.

You don't smoke whilst riding so would it be a big deal not smoking in a car?

Sorry for being argumentative and questioning....no anger here as jrandom can vouch for....

[Grahameeboy]

I think you will find that that should read 'hoped'....
And why do you think that is? Could it be that the steepening slippery slope of state-control has nearly reached the bottom? I shudder to think what happens when a near-vertical slope meets a near-flat surface....

Oh.....

Answer to Question - Earthquake....which if you watched National Geographic yesterday is actually good because it stops volcanic eruptions.

[devnull]

Graemeeboy raises an interesting point regarding the UK.

The UK is a socialist stronghold - perhaps it's another indication that socialism is a disease. After all, Sweden, NZ, and the UK share unacceptably high youth crime rates, as well as a socialist government.

The "race riots" in Oz?

Hmm... I'm assuming you're referring to Cronulla, where locals retaliated against Middle-Eastern youths going on to beaches and ordering white women to "cover up" and spitting food at them.

Stating that free speech is only restricted at election time is a misnomer. It's for the entire year, and spending (unless you are the ruling party) for the entire term. That's hardly "only at election time"

"Laws shouldn't be based on science"

WTF? Common sense isn't so common. So what should laws like that be based on, if not what will provide the greatest positive benefit to the community? Sharia law? Religion? The personal beliefs of a select few (what we currently have)?

The societal destruction is reflected in crime statistics - I doubt that further clarification is necessary. The fact that the Counties/Manukau region overtook Washington D.C. in terms of violent crime per capita in 2005 is not something to celebrate

[Finn]

Paranoia is out biggest enemy and we allow it to take away the fabric of our life.

Ignorance and laziness (that wonderful British trait Kiwi's adopted) is much worse. What has a beach got to do with it?

[MSTRS]

I think you will find that that should read 'hoped'....
And why do you think that is? Could it be that the steepening slippery slope of state-control has nearly reached the bottom? I shudder to think what happens when a near-vertical slope meets a near-flat surface....


Oh.....

Answer to Question - Earthquake....which if you watched National Geographic yesterday is actually good because it stops volcanic eruptions.

I missed a bit....
What happens when a speeding object (society) on that steepening slope meets....

[Grahameeboy]

I missed a bit....
What happens when a speeding object (society) on that steepening slope meets....

If it happens...................

[Grahameeboy]

Ignorance and laziness (that wonderful British trait Kiwi's adopted) is much worse. What has a beach got to do with it?

Yep blame someone else............

[Usarka]

If it happens...................

If a village is in danger of being buried in an Avalanche they take protective measures to make sure it doesn't happen. Walls, proactive avalanche control, warning systems etc.

They don't just sit back and enjoy the time they have left and hope it doesn't happen.

It's all well seeing the good in everything and living on faith, but real strength is seeing how good things can be and doing all you can to make real change.

[Grahameeboy]

If a village is in danger of being buried in an Avalanche they take protective measures to make sure it doesn't happen. Walls, proactive avalanche control, warning systems etc.

They don't just sit back and enjoy the time they have left and hope it doesn't happen.

It's all well seeing the good in everything and living on faith, but real strength is seeing how good things can be and doing all you can to make real change.

Okay, an avalanche is a more than likely scenario.

The real strength is dealing with what happens too.

[James Deuce]

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

[Finn]

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

Especially when Women are causing all the problems.

[mstriumph]

................ it's UNCANNY Finn ..... how on earth did you KNOW that i was gonna sign in just in time to catch your latest misanthropic, testicular fishing expedition?? :rolleyes:


[and no - not biting :msn-wink:]

[Finn]

................ it's UNCANNY Finn ..... how on earth did you KNOW that i was gonna sign in just in time to catch your latest misanthropic, testicular fishing expedition?? :rolleyes:


[and no - not biting :msn-wink:]

Unfortunately for womankind, it's true in this instance. Man hating women have taken control of NZ... and look whats happened!

It used to be acceptable behavior to burn such witches in public. The good old days.

[Finn]

One for Gramhameeboy. Quite well put but I'm sure GB's rose coloured glasses will see that this is a good thing...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10477549

[Sanx]

One for Gramhameeboy. Quite well put but I'm sure GB's rose coloured glasses will see that this is a good thing...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10477549

As much as I hate agreeing with that bible-thumping born-again moron, he's spot on this time.

[Finn]

As much as I hate agreeing with that bible-thumping born-again moron, he's spot on this time.

I take it you're referring to Garth and not Grahameeboy.

[Sanx]

I take it you're referring to Garth and not Grahameeboy.

The mustachioed wunder-grump in the Harold. Grahameeboy doesn't actually go on about his religion that much or preach where he's not wanted. He's still wrong though! <_<

[mstriumph]

.......................
It used to be acceptable behavior to burn such witches in public. .

do i have a go at YOUR hobbies??

[Usarka]

VOTE NATIONAL.


This thread will now be illegal on the first of January 2008.

unless the law applies common sense :killingme

[devnull]

Seems appropriate



Today, we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense.

Common Sense lived a long life, but died from heart failure at the brink of the Millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools; hospitals, homes, factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness.

For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in from rain, the early bird gets the worm and life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and it's okay to come in second.

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends including feminism, body piercing, whole language and new math.

But his health declined when he became infected with the "if-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades, his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing legislation.

He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers and enlightened auditors. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies; when reports were heard of six year old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; when a teen was suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch; when a teacher was fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but couldn't inform the parent when a female student is pregnant or wants an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable regulations for asbestos, low-flow toilets, smart guns, the nurturing of Prohibition Laws and mandatory air bags.

Finally, when told that the homeowners association restricted exterior furniture only to that which enhanced property values, he breathed his last.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son Reason. His three stepbrothers survive him: Rights, Tolerance and Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Author Unknown

[Skyryder]

Seems appropriate


Yep sort of. But we will also be in the shit if 'our' Rights die, Tolerance is ever dominated by his twin brother Intolerance. Whiner is the nickname for Freeexpression who some believe the Government has put out a contract on.


Good post all the same

[MSTRS]

And they will move on the rest of his cronies, when?
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/071123/2/2lmu.html

[The Tazman]

Labour are killing this country. They give everything to people that do jack shit and cripple the people that make the jobs and work hard. They also make it that it's always someone else's fault for a persons actions. I.e. someone can't do their job cause they're a lazy f**king waste of space but it's not their fault it's the employers or someone else at work. Oh and for good measure lets give them more money for their laziness and make it really hard for the employer to get rid of them!!!!!! and I see this as an employee not an employer!!!!!!!! it's a joke

They are creating a nation of people that think they should do as little as possible and get everything in return.

They have a surplus every year (great money management!!!!) but do we hear or see anything good done with it :no:

That's just the tip of the iceberg as to why I'm not going to vote for them.

It'll be National for me

[Steam]

It'll be National for me
Mate, you're a total moaning cliche, classic!

[Finn]

do i have a go at YOUR hobbies??

Be my guest... it's biking. :cool:

[The Tazman]

Mate, you're a total moaning cliche, classic!

Would you at least have the decency to expand and explain how you came to that?

I'm a realist and say it how I see it. No pissing around, and when I see good hard working people being fucked over and low life lazy fucks getting looked after thanks to the laws of a government they won't be getting my vote

[mstriumph]

Be my guest... it's biking. :cool:

it was a rhetorical question...:blink:

[sinned]

I am a late reader of this thread and have found the answer in these posts. Especially Finn's.


Actually, it does make a difference if you know where to look. Labour has successfully destroyed the very fabric of this nation. Little by little, inch by inch. It is common to reference left wing politics much like a slow eating cancer. Labour is a terminal disease and must be irradiated.

While I understand your MO is "in God we trust" and by nature you will try to see good in everything, several hundred kiwi's a week don't agree with you and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

If we do not change the path we are on, NZ will have a very marginal middle class, a HUGE and POOR working class and there will be a few wealthy people that use this as a playground.

So back to your original comment, the difference is huge. It'll just take National some time to reverse engineer all the fucks ups and indoctrination. If they get in, it will be a mammoth task.

The difference is huge but most won't see that or notice until it is too late and it almost is too late.


I'm with Finn...

Will vote National, but I can't see them reversing the social decline for quite some years, so Oz is pretty much on the cards for us.

This govt has brought us restrictions on free speech (police rules regarding protests that might offend a VIP, Electoral Reform Bill), partisan politics in schools (Al Gore's movie - pseudoscience at its best), not to mention Bradford's S.59 Bill - extremely poor legislation, again based on emotive rhetoric because cold, hard, science had demonstrated that the opposite of what was claimed is true i.e. they lied to us big-time.

Appalling that things like this now happen:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4283366a12855.html

We've seen wholesale social decline, decent medical care and education are things to envy in first world countries, and we've made rapid progress toward the bottom of the OECD rankings.

I don't care what the political party is called - any group that wreaks that amount of destruction to a country's internal structure needs to be removed, the sooner the better.

While I'd like to see things like personal responsibility, safe schools with quality teaching, etc. here, in reality I'm only going to get those by moving... :weep:
There is an assumption that Labour cares about those who leave NZ and the decline in living standards. They don't - it fits in with the plan to increase reliance on government support agencies and the percentage of voters for the left.


"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to sit back and do nothing."
Is that us?


VOTE NATIONAL.

This thread will now be illegal on the first of January 2008.

unless the law applies common sense :killingme

The result from non public survey taken a couple of months ago in a relatively affluent area showed less than 50% of the voting age population knew of the Electoral Finance Bill. The socialist strategy is almost complete - welcome to your re-engineered New Zealand "Cuba of the South Pacific"

[Robert Taylor]

Be my guest... it's biking. :cool:

You know Finn, Id much rather walk barefoot on broken glass than to EVER vote Labour.

[oldrider]

You know Finn, Id much rather walk barefoot on broken glass than to EVER vote Labour.

Boy oh boy, if only that were the majority opinion in NZ.

We could be free again! (or at least bleeding rather badly) :crybaby: John.

[Sanx]

You know Finn, Id much rather walk barefoot on broken glass than to EVER vote Labour.

What about ride a bike fitted with WP suspension? Would you go that far?

[MisterD]

Boy oh boy, if only that were the majority opinion in NZ.



Seeing as effectively we're lumbered with this current government due to the combined voting power of the ill-(or un-)educated, hippy fruitcakes and control freak socialists that direct group (1), I reckon the only solution is a requirement to gain a voting licence before we take a damn bit of notice of which box you tick.

Something along the lines of your driving licence "scratch-and-win" test should be sufficient...if you can't demonstrate a working knowledge of our parliamentary system you don't qualify to vote - it's the next logical step.

Questions to be set by Finn, of course:first:

[paturoa]

I wonder how much Howard getting the bums rush last night has put the wind up the current bunch?

[Robert Taylor]

What about ride a bike fitted with WP suspension? Would you go that far?

( Youre trying to wind me up with such cynical mischief! ) Yes, it would still be far preferable as in fairness they do make a number of good products. For your interest the guy who started WP, one Mr Wim Peters, now rides motorcycles equipped with Ohlins suspension, as he runs Ohlins Germany, responsible for that country and Benelux. He is a nice guy with a lot of empirical knowledge.
If you apply the moral of that story the most one eyed communist might well be able to accept the error of his ways.....!!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Seeing as effectively we're lumbered with this current government due to the combined voting power of the ill-(or un-)educated, hippy fruitcakes and control freak socialists that direct group (1), I reckon the only solution is a requirement to gain a voting licence before we take a damn bit of notice of which box you tick.

Something along the lines of your driving licence "scratch-and-win" test should be sufficient...if you can't demonstrate a working knowledge of our parliamentary system you don't qualify to vote - it's the next logical step.

Questions to be set by Finn, of course:first:

Of course Comrade Helen and her fruitcake sidekick Comrade Cullen are busy scaring away many bright and motivated people and in turn replacing them with some real ''gems'' who will be predisposed to voting for her as a thankyou for all the handouts.

[Robert Taylor]

I wonder how much Howard getting the bums rush last night has put the wind up the current bunch?

The only thing John Howard did wrong was in not handing over to Peter Costello a couple of years or so back. I feel sorry for Howard and I feel sorry for Australians duped into voting in a Government that will ( as has happened here ) increase the cost of living substanially.

Heres hoping though that the morons in control here will very much get the bums rush.

[Robert Taylor]

Labour are killing this country. They give everything to people that do jack shit and cripple the people that make the jobs and work hard. They also make it that it's always someone else's fault for a persons actions. I.e. someone can't do their job cause they're a lazy f**king waste of space but it's not their fault it's the employers or someone else at work. Oh and for good measure lets give them more money for their laziness and make it really hard for the employer to get rid of them!!!!!! and I see this as an employee not an employer!!!!!!!! it's a joke

They are creating a nation of people that think they should do as little as possible and get everything in return.

They have a surplus every year (great money management!!!!) but do we hear or see anything good done with it :no:

That's just the tip of the iceberg as to why I'm not going to vote for them.

It'll be National for me

Careful! There are lefties on this forum that by their own reckoning ''hold the intellectual and moral high ground'' You will be vilified for saying something that they do not agree with.

[davereid]

Careful! There are lefties on this forum that by their own reckoning ''hold the intellectual and moral high ground'' You will be vilified for saying something that they do not agree with.

The left often claim the moral high ground.

Of course they can never hold any moral ground at all, as their system of government is based on the extortion of the minority based on the desires of the majority.

Sound sweet until you put your brain in first gear.

Sounds like gang rape really.

You know... where one person, against their will provides for the majority.
Still, at least in an unrestrained democracy, its legal !

[oldrider]

Well, I see the Aussie media have conducted another successful "election" in Australia!

New Zealand will be the same next year too, media choice I think will be the red Labour party again.

Eenie meenie minie mo, the media will tell us, which way to go.

Don't you just love free choice, even if it is "Clayton's"! :doh: John.

[mmm]

Definitely a vote for National here
MMP has effectively ruined our country beyond repair.What we have at present is a green tail wagging a red dog.The activists and still freaks of the 80's are now writing NZ law.National may well get more seats next year than Labour but that don't mean shit under MMP,labour and the greens combined will still most prob be able to form a Govt,so get smart with your vote,flag the minority parties votes......or run for ya lives!!!

[Toaster]

Let me see, why vote Labour?

They have taxed the hard working working middle-class to death for years running huge tax surpluses and given it to the most unproductive people like criminals and professional beneficiaries, burgeoning government departments, legal aid, crap, more crap, cultural feel good about my minority crap and the odd hip hop tour.... oh and big pay rises for all MP's and govt workers.

They run a tax regime that says "don't bother trying to get ahead, we will tax more of it if you do so you end up deciding it isn't worth the effort".

They take money off us only to give it back after spending half of it hiring govt workers to give what is left back to some but not all and say they are doing us a favour.

They have socially engineered into law many a personal agenda with the express displeasure of the common voter. This government is incredibly interfering in how we live and they change the rules to suit themselves if the law doesn't work to their benefit.

Time to get back to being a democracy where we New Zealanders have a real say instead of a regime of "do as you are told and live as I think NZ should live".

[Street Gerbil]

Well, looks like Aussies screwed the pooch big time. Apparently they disliked the unequal distribution of wealth. Let's see how will they like the equal distribution of misery.

[Toaster]

I wonder how much Howard getting the bums rush last night has put the wind up the current bunch?

Interesting quote you have in your signature there... sounds a tad familiar.

[paturoa]

Apparently they disliked the unequal distribution of wealth....

I'm not sure I understand your point...?

[oldrider]

Definitely a vote for National here
MMP has effectively ruined our country beyond repair.What we have at present is a green tail wagging a red dog.The activists and still freaks of the 80's are now writing NZ law.National may well get more seats next year than Labour but that don't mean shit under MMP,labour and the greens combined will still most prob be able to form a Govt,so get smart with your vote,flag the minority parties votes......or run for ya lives!!!

Key = Blue (National) socialist.

Clark = Red (Labour) socialist.

Kind of like AJS and Matchless bikes when I was a kid or Hillman and Humber cars.

The buyer made "their choice," apart from a few cosmetic differences, the result was the same!

I have seen countless Labour National governments (the peoples choice) and the results have made very little difference.

The media encourage the people to concentrate and :argue: about the cosmetics as a diversionary circus to control our attention!

Meanwhile, the beat goes on, dah de dah de dah. :doh: The flowers may have different colours but the smell will be the same. "MMP" :argh: John.

[paturoa]

Interesting quote you have in your signature there... sounds a tad familiar.

Boob Johnson used it in a thread a couple of weeks ago and I like it so much that (upon someone elses suggestion) I made it my signature.

... familiar from where?

[Laava]

I agree that fresh blood is what we need. Will it have improved things no end in 4-8 yrs? Of course not! We'll all be ready for fresh blood again and another round of "Can you believe what these people are saying?"
Thank fuck Don Brash is gone! He would have been a political nightmare!
But hey! Bring on the clowns!:lol::lol::lol:

[Mom]

Meanwhile, the beat goes on, dah de dah de dah. :doh: The flowers may have different colours but the smell will be the same. "MMP" :argh: John.

+1 and then some!

[Toaster]

Boob Johnson used it in a thread a couple of weeks ago and I like it so much that (upon someone elses suggestion) I made it my signature.

... familiar from where?

I posted it some time ago.

[Toaster]

Boob Johnson used it in a thread a couple of weeks ago and I like it so much that (upon someone elses suggestion) I made it my signature.

... familiar from where?

I think this is where it came from mate.... it was a post of mine you quoted not booby J.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1291250#post1291250

[Chrislost]

ima vote for pedro

[kro]

As a lot of punters have said already, based purely on the sheer arrogance of the Labour gvt at present, no way am I voting labour.

I am thankful I live in a country where I can still trust ballot counting to be undertaken with a high level of integrity.

[Storm]

I am thankful I live in a country where I can still trust ballot counting to be undertaken with a high level of integrity.

Until MMP comes along, and a lot of useless tards no one wants get in. As Jim2 often says, we need to work out how to make it work for us instead of the current mess