New Zealand bars British man's 'fat' wife [Archive]

janno

21st November 2007, 06:17

As usual, on the surface the idea seems to have merit, but when you come to details it's ludicrous.

The guy in question is in a highly specialised job and we neeeeeed him! Something to do with the interisland cable or summat? Can't remember, but anyway it's like the medical specialist from Canada who was head hunted here (remember, we don't have many of them cattle), and then was refused residency cos his daugher had cerebral palsy. So the family was poached by Australia and offered every assistance, cos the aussies could see the benefits he would bring would outdo any costs the daughter might incur.

She should wear boot polish and claim she fears for her life back home, she'd be in the country in a jiffy that way . . .

Something about bureaucrats and the ability to use their common sense - why are those terms often mutually exclusive?:(

deanohit

21st November 2007, 06:19

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:27

Never known anyone fat to be turned down, but I can understand it. So the husband has private health care, ok let him in, her, what has she got, next she'll have diabetes and be needing all sorts of taxpayer funded medical help.

So if the Husband pays tax what's the problem.

Next they will stop people who are too thin because they have a higher risk of osteoporisis.

NighthawkNZ

21st November 2007, 06:33

This is funny...

yeah... stop every one from coming in... especially those we ask to come here, of and not forgeting stop them bloody tourists & including visitors don't need or want them here.

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:34

Next it will be, motorcyclists..................you see.

Deano

21st November 2007, 06:36

He certainly looks like he could lay a good cable........

deanohit

21st November 2007, 06:42

So if the Husband pays tax what's the problem.
Next they will stop people who are too thin because they have a higher risk of osteoporisis.

Sure he pays tax, but what is her specialty that will help NZ be a better place.

They say in the article that they were coming to NZ for a lifestyle change, to get fit and enjoy the outdoors, well why not start this big change as soon as they thought of coming over, then they could enjoy NZ from the very beginning of them living here!

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:43

This is funny...

yeah... stop every one from coming in... especially those we ask to come here, of and not forgeting stop them bloody tourists & including visitors don't need or want them here.

Well you have a point, no fat Tourists.............NZ has a reciprocal Health agreement with the UK............

It does not say much for NZ eh. I mean a fat person may not necessarily be a burden on the Health system. If they get a job they become a taxpayer etc.............but agree they do have potential health issues.

No more women cause they may get breast cancer?

They could give the women a 2 year visa. She would then have to show that she has lost weight etc before they consider say an indefinite resident's visa. At least this way they cover themselves.

deanohit

21st November 2007, 06:46

They could give the women a 2 year visa. She would then have to show that she has lost weight etc before they consider say an indefinite resident's visa. At least this way they cover themselves.

Now that is a resonable idea, and I reckon thats what they should do. This couple is supposedly commited to this change, well prove how comitted you are.

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:48

Sure he pays tax, but what is her specialty that will help NZ be a better place.

They say in the article that they were coming to NZ for a lifestyle change, to get fit and enjoy the outdoors, well why not start this big change as soon as they thought of coming over, then they could enjoy NZ from the very beginning of them living here!

Do we need people with special skills to make NZ a better place? NZ's main industry is Farming followed by Tourism............the rest is just taxes for the Govt.

Agree on with you last point. It is hard to lose weight for some people I guess and like I said in my last post they could have restricted her Visa.

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:49

Now that is a resonable idea, and I reckon thats what they should do. This couple is supposedly commited to this change, well prove how comitted you are.

Trubs is that this is NZ and they tend to stick to the book............

deanohit

21st November 2007, 06:54

Do we need people with special skills to make NZ a better place? NZ's main industry is Farming followed by Tourism............the rest is just taxes for the Govt.
It would help.

Agree on with you last point. It is hard to lose weight for some people I guess and like I said in my last post they could have restricted her Visa.
It's not hard if you really want it to happen.
A woman I know has in the space of a year gone from the fat bride at 110kgs to the hot housewife at 65kgs, and her husband is absolutely stoked. All through a relaxed diet and plenty of exercise.
Her mum is doin the same and while struggling to lose weight, has still lost over 30kgs.
Just gotta be serious about it.

NighthawkNZ

21st November 2007, 06:58

Next it will be, motorcyclists..................you see.

They already are trying this by slowly raising our ACC levies...

If I cause an accident then I am expected to pay for it, in cluding health care... (well my insurance at least) So if 80% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a cage is the cages fault, why is the motorcyclist paying for it with higher ACC levies...

I still believe the ACC levies should be on the gas... that way its user pays... it also covers boaties, (who don't have to pay acc at present) it covers when you mow the lawn and you get a stone thrown in your eye (happen to a friend a few years back) it gives cover when you are on the track, and doing the off road things... it covers when using the chainsaw and saw dust got under my safety googles and into my eye (happened a few years back) Would cover farming accidents better.

It would also mean ACC would actually make a little more money than they do now...

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 06:59

It would help.

Justify you mean?

It's not hard if you really want it to happen.
A woman I know has in the space of a year gone from the fat bride at 110kgs to the hot housewife at 65kgs, and her husband is absolutely stoked. All through a relaxed diet and plenty of exercise.
Her mum is doin the same and while struggling to lose weight, has still lost over 30kgs.
Just gotta be serious about it.

I know, just wanted to point out that it is hard, but agree not impossible.

............................

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 07:05

They already are trying this by slowly raising our ACC levies...

Cynic

If I cause an accident then I am expected to pay for it, in cluding health care... (well my insurance at least) So if 80% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a cage is the cages fault, why is the motorcyclist paying for it with higher ACC levies...

But ACC is non-fault silly.

I still believe the ACC levies should be on the gas... that way its user pays... it also covers boaties, (who don't have to pay acc at present) it covers when you mow the lawn and you get a stone thrown in your eye (happen to a friend a few years back) it gives cover when you are on the track, and doing the off road things... it covers when using the chainsaw and saw dust got under my safety googles and into my eye (happened a few years back) Would cover farming accidents better.

A good point. Farmers probably pay ACC in some way, including Workers contributions but agree when a lot of motorcycle ACC stats cover quads...........

It would also mean ACC would actually make a little more money than they do now...

I heard they had stacks of money............but agree and maybe any excess can be given to Ministry of Health - Disability........

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kiwifruit

21st November 2007, 07:11

He certainly looks like he could lay a good cable........

:lol: :lol:

deanohit

21st November 2007, 07:12

............................
Justfy it or what ever you want to call it.
End of the day, they WANT to come HERE, so abide by our rules, talk our language and benefit NZ. This ain't asia, the uk, south africa, india or any of the other places, so speak english mother fucker.
If I moved to a non english speaking country, I would try and intergrate by learning the language and culture as I am in their home now. As far as I see it, it's common courtesy.

So if this couple were so keen to come to NZ, they should be dieting and exercising insted of whinging to the media.

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 07:16

Justfy it or what ever you want to call it.
End of the day, they WANT to come HERE, so abide by our rules, talk our language and benefit NZ. This ain't asia, the uk, south africa, india or any of the other places, so speak english mother fucker.
If I moved to a non english speaking country, I would try and intergrate by learning the language and culture as I am in their home now. As far as I see it, it's common courtesy.

So if this couple were so keen to come to NZ, they should be dieting and exercising insted of whinging to the media.

I agree, I agree...............but Welsh people speak English..............

Not sure they were actually moaning, just telling their story.

deanohit

21st November 2007, 07:22

Not sure they were actually moaning, just telling their story.

Bwahahahahaha! :killingme

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 07:25

Bwahahahahaha! :killingme

Ppppffffttttttt

Sanx

21st November 2007, 08:42

So the fuck do all those fat samoans get in?

But to tell a fat Samoan / Tongan / Niuean / Whateveran to bugger off 'cos he's fat is racism and being culturally insensitive. To tell a while person that is entirely acceptable, even though the husband would pay more in tax in a year than have the scroungers from the islands would pay in a life time.

I agree, I agree...............but Welsh people speak English

Yeah right, boyo! :lol:

Ewan Oozarmy

21st November 2007, 09:27

They let me in and I'm fat.

jrandom

21st November 2007, 09:38

Mmm, pies.

I wonder how they have sex?

"Survival knife, check. Gas lamp, check. Collapsable scaffolding, check. Keep the oxygen lines clear, Ethel, I'm going in!"

007XX

21st November 2007, 09:52

Mmm, pies.

I wonder how they have sex?

"Survival knife, check. Gas lamp, check. Collapsable scaffolding, check. Keep the oxygen lines clear, Ethel, I'm going in!"

Bwahahahahaha....:killingme

I'm with Janno's earlier post though...I can see where the idea came from in the first place, but it is poorly managed, regulated, and really is insulting to these poor people...

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 09:54

Mmm, pies.

I wonder how they have sex?

"Survival knife, check. Gas lamp, check. Collapsable scaffolding, check. Keep the oxygen lines clear, Ethel, I'm going in!"

Well unless you get down the gym mate....................you already have the survival knife...............

jrandom

21st November 2007, 09:56

you already have the survival knife...............

I don't own anything that could be described as a 'survival knife'.

:confused:

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 10:06

I don't own anything that could be described as a 'survival knife'.

:confused:

Well ya stuffed then........................:eek:

judecatmad

21st November 2007, 11:15

Whilst I can't argue with the fact that those who are overweight are more likely to be a burden on the health system due to the risk of diabetes and joint problems, I don't agree with the decision immigration have come to (if her weight is, indeed, the ONLY factor).

Assessing those with CURRENT health problems requiring medication and healthcare, and denying entry on that basis - agreed. But those with the POTENTIAL to develop health issues in the future.....treading a fine line, methinks. What about those with a strong family history of cancer, or of polycystic kidney disease, or of any other genetic disease? Are we heading down the track of genetic testing for all those who apply? (immigration shouldn't forget NZ's strict adherence, apparently, to the Human Rights Act - I get it thrown in my face every day, working in insurance) Let's face it, although 'lifestyle' diseases are not in the same category, the applicant is still being assessed for their potential future burden on the health system.

And there's no guarantee she WILL develop diabetes. Many a lard-arse has lived a perfectly healthy life to the day they finally shuffle off this mortal coil.

And one COULD argue that the overall burden to the state posed by those who may get sick in the future is actually less because they will die sooner. Less super to be paid to them in the long term, less chance that the state will end up paying for their nursing home care cos they'll no doubt have carked it long before it gets to that point.....etc, etc!

You can guarantee if she had $6mil to bring in with her, she could be the size of a house and there would be no questions asked.....

And jeez, they let ME in for chrissake! Must really have tightened up their rules since! :rofl:

James Deuce

21st November 2007, 11:20

They're talking morbidly obese, not pleasingly plump.

Our health system isn't working now, so she's more than welcome to pop over here and die on a waiting list like everyone else if she wants.

007XX

21st November 2007, 11:54

And jeez, they let ME in for chrissake! Must really have tightened up their rules since! :rofl:

+1 :rofl:

Yes, and soon, they'll also stop smokers from coming into the country...not that big a stretch when you think about it, since they're considering banning smoking altogether.:shit:

Disclaimer:
Now, before anyone jumps on this little pony, I do not condone smoking (11th day without today and still going strong! :sunny:), but nor do I appreciate the fact that they would seriously entertain the idea of telling people what they can or cannot do with their own body...:mad:
FFS....Bloody mad controlling freaks!!!!

Ewan Oozarmy

21st November 2007, 12:00

Disclaimer:[/U]
Now, before anyone jumps on this little pony, I do not condone smoking (11th day without today and still going strong! :sunny:), but nor do I appreciate the fact that they would seriously entertain the idea of telling people what they can or cannot do with their own body...:mad:
FFS....Bloody mad controlling freaks!!!!

You joke but I had to lie about my smoking at my medical when applying for my visa - the doc 'suggested' I put a 'reduced' figure on the form.

And good luck with the quitting. I've now quit 93 times.

judecatmad

21st November 2007, 12:04

They're talking morbidly obese, not pleasingly plump.

Hmmm...it's a good job I consider you a good mate........LOL!!!!

(will I ever be able to see my feet again do you think???)

007XX

21st November 2007, 12:05

You joke but I had to lie about my smoking at my medical when applying for my visa - the doc 'suggested' I put a 'reduced' figure on the form.

And good luck with the quitting. I've now quit 93 times.

Cheers...I'm now on my...hang on...painful recollection...12th time I guess?

When interviewed as to wether my husband and I were serious about being together (he has the citizenship and I didn't in those days), after our recent marriage (of course, implying we'd gotten married just for the "green card" effect), I pointed at my then 6 months pregnant belly, and said very sweetly: "I think so, but then you never know..." :innocent:

The interrogator had the good grace to look suitably flustered and embarassed! :lol:

Deano

21st November 2007, 13:16

but nor do I appreciate the fact that they would seriously entertain the idea of telling people what they can or cannot do with their own body...:mad:
FFS....Bloody mad controlling freaks!!!!

You're not allowed to commit suicide or assist euthanasia either.

But, the Government should ban the sale of all tobacco products. If someone invented them now they would not be legal.

Jim Anderton has shown how easy it is to ban a substance - they just need bigger balls to tackle the smokers.

If smokers could take a magic pill to stop, they would.

Rant over - back on topic.

007XX

21st November 2007, 13:37

You're not allowed to commit suicide or assist euthanasia either.

But, the Government should ban the sale of all tobacco products. If someone invented them now they would not be legal.

Jim Anderton has shown how easy it is to ban a substance - they just need bigger balls to tackle the smokers.

If smokers could take a magic pill to stop, they would.

Rant over - back on topic.

Idealistic comes to mind, and I'm torn between agreeing and disagreeing...If they banned the sale of tobacco products, it would be that much more chances for our future generation not to get started.

However, I'm a little grated the wrong way by your choice of words on "tackle the smokers"! Not that I take it personally, cos I am no longer one, but surely there could be a more diplomatic approach here...

As you said, most smokers would love to stop smoking tomorrow if they could (some can, but not many)...and honnestly, I don't see how being seen as an issue to be tackled is going to make them feel better about it or help.

As far as suicide and euthanasia is concerned, that's a can of worm best left for another thread.

Damn cravings are a f*ing pain...I'm off to chew some gum and drink a biiiiiiiig glass of water! :D

Deano

21st November 2007, 13:44

However, I'm a little grated the wrong way by your choice of words on "tackle the smokers"! Not that I take it personally, cos I am no longer one, but surely there could be a more diplomatic approach here...

As you said, most smokers would love to stop smoking tomorrow if they could (some can, but not many)...and honnestly, I don't see how being seen as an issue to be tackled is going to make them feel better about it or help.

I'm over diplomacy. And smoking too.

Bad choice of words perhaps - tackle the smoking industry is what I mean't.

Everyone can stop. And I'm yet to find one person who would continue to smoke if they were offered a magic pill. Those that say they wouldn't are probably lying, cause they feel silly.

007XX

21st November 2007, 13:52

I'm over diplomacy. And smoking too.

Bad choice of words perhaps - tackle the smoking industry is what I mean't.

Everyone can stop. And I'm yet to find one person who would continue to smoke if they were offered a magic pill. Those that say they wouldn't are probably lying, cause they feel silly.

Ok, then I agree wholeheartedly! :first::done:

Ewan Oozarmy

21st November 2007, 14:01

Everyone can stop. And I'm yet to find one person who would continue to smoke if they were offered a magic pill. Those that say they wouldn't are probably lying, cause they feel silly.

I would!

Trouble is with banning stuff is that the supply just goes underground as I'm sure we'll see with party pills.

Mind you, in the case of this thread I don’t think banning this fat bird from moving to NZ will push the supply of fat birds to the drug dealers.

James Deuce

21st November 2007, 14:31

As far as suicide and euthanasia is concerned, that's a can of worm best left for another thread.

Doesn't worry me, I'm already dead.

007XX

21st November 2007, 14:37

Doesn't worry me, I'm already dead.

Bugger...My CPR skills would be wasted on you then, eh?:lol:

I guess these two very controversial subjects would make for an interesting debate though...I'd be just worried that too many people would take it the worng way.

Scouse

21st November 2007, 14:48

So if the Husband pays tax what's the problem.

Next they will stop people who are too thin because they have a higher risk of osteoporisis.They should have stopped you at the border cos you have a high certainty of spreading verbal diaorea

inlinefour

21st November 2007, 14:52

Imagine what would happen if we lost the southern cross cable and/or the one to Aussie. Imagine the preformance if we lost our ability to surf the www and telecommunications.
If the preformance from AKL over having a few hours without power is something to go by, imagine the public up roar if the cable failed. Then imagine the public preformance when it became public knowledge via the media that one of 40 specialists who work in this specialised area went home as his wife was refused entry.
NZ is run by morons and I'd give Aussie a pat on the back for grabbing the workers who are refused entry to NZ. I'll laugh my arse off if we have problems in the future...

Scouse

21st November 2007, 14:54

They could give the women a 2 year visa. She would then have to show that she has lost weight etc before they consider say an indefinite resident's visa. At least this way they cover themselves.Troble is though once they are in its hard to kick them out eg; Zouhy sort of like the "possesion is 9/10 of the law" reasoning so it becomes occupancy is 9/10 of the law

imdying

21st November 2007, 15:07

But, the Government should ban the sale of all tobacco products. If someone invented them now they would not be legal.

Oh really?! How does this strike you...

But, the Government should ban the sale of all supersports bikes. If someone invented them now they would not be legal.

imdying

21st November 2007, 15:10

Trouble is with banning stuff is that the supply just goes underground as I'm sure we'll see with party pills.I know what you're saying, but I think in the case of party pills we won't see it... not because it's not the logical thing to happen, but because other drugs are in such plentiful supply.

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 15:59

They should have stopped you at the border cos you have a high certainty of spreading verbal diaorea

Hi Steve, have not been abused by you for a while............bring back WINJA?

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 16:03

Troble is though once they are in its hard to kick them out eg; Zouhy sort of like the "possesion is 9/10 of the law" reasoning so it becomes occupancy is 9/10 of the law

Not sure, once the visa expires you have to apply for the next level so I am sure they could get around it.

They could give the Hubby a work Visa connected to employment with Telecom with the Wife attached.

Luckily because I have so much verbal diaroea I was able to loose enough weight to get through the border....now ain't that something;)

Scouse

21st November 2007, 16:05

Hi Steve, have not been abused by you for a while............bring back WINJA?thats not abuse

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 16:09

thats not abuse

Well I am dissapointed in you Steve...............anyway I used 'abuse' in the loosest sense...............

NighthawkNZ

21st November 2007, 16:18

Imagine what would happen if we lost the southern cross cable and/or the one to Aussie. Imagine the preformance if we lost our ability to surf the www and telecommunications.

We would still be able to surf all the servers hosted in NZ ;) :mobile:

Mom

21st November 2007, 16:55

Managed to refrain from commenting when this first came to light, he was denied entry because he was too heavy, he has managed to lose the weight now and (i imagine now just under as he apparently has the skills we need) can enter NZ and do the job that he has come here to do. Originally there was no mention of a wife that also is too fat to come to NZ. Now this is a problem as she has not been able to lose the weight!

To be honest I have some real concerns about "weight" being an issue, and BMI being used to preclude you from doing something. And no.........I am not fat, before someone tells me to go and eat more pies!

Yes there is an increasing issue with obesity in NZ. Yes it costs health dollars, but the thing that really ticks me off the most, is NOT ALL OF US ARE OBESE! We can make reasonably healthy food choices and stay on the comfortable side of the scales. Once we are aware that we are carrying too much weight, we can actually reform our eating habits and drop a few kilo's to feel better. Dont make me a crim because I buy butter at the supermarket! The 97% fat free, no pie people really piss me off!!!

Reading between the lines here a bit, both these people did not meet the guidelines to get entry to start with, he managed to lose some weight, she did not, maybe she does not want to be here?

Rant over!

Deano

21st November 2007, 16:57

Oh really?! How does this strike you...

But, the Government should ban the sale of all supersports bikes. If someone invented them now they would not be legal.

Nah - I don't get it.

Is that an analogy ?

If so, it would have been better to say ban ALL motorcycles.

Banning only sportsbikes would be more akin to banning full strength durries only.

Bit of a stretch comparing a cigarette to a sportsbike.

Disco Dan

21st November 2007, 17:10

I dont have any sympathy for them. Or anyone that is overweight so much that they cannot continue to do the things they want to (if they were fit and healthy).

Its a choice these people have made.. over and over every single day of their lives.

Good on New Zealand for having some standards... and actually sticking to them.

Its very simple... person begins to gain weight - person decides if they want to continue gaining weight - if not, change lifestyle. Problem sorted.

All about choices.

Scouse

21st November 2007, 17:36

Street Gerbil

21st November 2007, 17:36

I wonder who may be a bigger burden to the healthcare - a diabetic taking a couple of subsidized pills/insulin shots a day or a biker who can require a heli ride, several pints of blood, half a dozen of surgeries, and a month worth of ICU time to put him back together? So what's next, banning bikers on grounds of potential medical expenses?

Disco Dan

21st November 2007, 17:39

Ban cars too. Think how much money the govt would save without roads..... now we're talking!

inlinefour

21st November 2007, 17:57

We would still be able to surf all the servers hosted in NZ ;) :mobile:

I hate to have to tell you this, but as far as I'm aware the KBer server is somewhere outside NZ (?USA, someone correct me if I'm wrong please)? I wonder how many other well enjoyed websites are also offshore?

21st November 2007, 18:38

Let them in. We are really short on fat people ...NOT! Or was that long on short people?

Yeah sure motorcycles can lead to medical costs as some have said on here. The riders pay ACC levies and in most cases probably taxes to fund our fantastic health system . People fall down mountains quite regularly in this country, without paying any ACC climbers levy I might add. Shall we ban mountains? That was a joke Herr Helen, don't rush through the legislation.

Buy her a calculator - burn up a 100 calories: eat no more than 100 calories, it is simple maths.

Would she pull into a petrol station with a 60 litre petrol tank and say, put 80 litres in please. What happens. The excess spills over the sides and makes a sticky ugly mess.
Actually Immigration are doing him a favour aren't they...If he said, Dear do you think you should .... :bash:smack!

SwanTiger

21st November 2007, 18:44

You have to admit, they both look like fat fuckers, especially the wife, what if they got over here and breed more fat little fuckers? Huh? Do you want your son's, grand son's and great grand son's to have to fall back on those little fat shit offsprings on a Saturday night when the pub is closing? No you don't.

No more fat fuckers, import more hot Australians, Russians, Brazilians and a couple more Swedish lasses for good measure.

21st November 2007, 18:48

import more hot Australians, Russians, Brazilians and a couple more Swedish lasses for good measure.

I challenge anyone to find fault with this post!

Grahameeboy

21st November 2007, 19:07

I challenge anyone to find fault with this post!

Sadly I must...............Nigerians.....

Skyryder

21st November 2007, 19:47

So why should my tax dollar pay for her obesity problems? Many people think that they have some right to come and live here. They don't. Pity this sort of thing was not done sooner for simular reasons. The health system is rooted as it is with out more 'clogging' the system.

Skyyrder

fatboyfraser

21st November 2007, 23:48

This is causing lots of fun and games on sv650.org so I though I might get the Kiwi view. Read all about it at ...

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=100533

NighthawkNZ

22nd November 2007, 05:19

This is causing lots of fun and games on sv650.org so I though I might get the Kiwi view. Read all about it at ...

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=100533

is here too...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61459&highlight=New+Zealand+bars

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 05:26

Taken from Telecom Careers page

Additional Benefits
Telecom provides a number of other optional benefits specifically for our employees, including:

Work/Life Assistance Programme - a free, supportive and confidential programme designed to help employees resolve issues they may be facing in their lives by discussing them with an impartial professional third party
Health Insurance - a flexible range of health insurance schemes available through Southern Cross, with special benefits and discounts available to Telecom employees
Employee Share Scheme - shares in Telecom can be purchased via fornightly or monthly deductions from pay, and Telecom pays the brokerage fees associated with purchasing shares
Sevenaway and Trustaide- a registered charitable trust that Telecom employees can join, providing:
Financial assistance with healthcare for contributors and their families, including assistance with doctor's bills and prescription charges
Quality, low cost holiday accommodation (over 175 cottages throughout New Zealand at $160 per week rental)

The Husband is a taxpayer too.

NighthawkNZ

22nd November 2007, 05:38

I hate to have to tell you this, but as far as I'm aware the KBer server is somewhere outside NZ (?USA, someone correct me if I'm wrong please)? I wonder how many other well enjoyed websites are also offshore?

Personally it wouldn't bother me if the net disappeared all together... wouldn't give a shit to tell the honest truth...

Yes there are a few so called local sites hosted off shore... (including my own) but at the end of the day if I had to have it served in NZ that would be no issue either... could easily and quickly set up my own server here in my lounge...

Just think since NZ would then be on own seperate network... we called reuse all them dot coms... and free up all the ip addresses we could use for ourself... then instead of www (world wide web) it would be nzn (new zealand network) and if an outside line was still connected just dial www instead of nzn... ehhhh who cares... the net is now getting kind of boring... same old shit just different colour website

Finn

22nd November 2007, 06:18

So why should my tax dollar pay for her obesity problems?

Skyyrder

Because you voted for Labour.

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 06:32

Well at end of the day anyone who comes into this country could cost money.

Obesity is obvious but there are so many medical issues that are hidden and not tested for immigration so in a way the system discriminates those who show obvious signs.

My ex and I have the SMA gene. Natalie is not even 5 and so far the Govt has spent approx $270,000 on her. A lot more expensive that 'obesity' which is obvious.

James Deuce

22nd November 2007, 09:28

My ex and I have the SMA gene. Natalie is not even 5 and so far the Govt has spent approx $270,000 on her. A lot more expensive that 'obesity' which is obvious.

It's probably isn't obvious but the overall cost of obesity is a great deal more per person than has been spent on Natalie. It extends to sewerage treatment plants, road surfaces, vehicles loads, fuel expended, furniture construction methods, and so on and so on. The overall cost to society extends well beyond "just" healthcare issues.

Finn

22nd November 2007, 10:03

It extends to sewerage treatment plants, road surfaces, vehicles loads, fuel expended, furniture construction methods, and so on and so on. The overall cost to society extends well beyond "just" healthcare issues.

Not to mention they're incredibly unsightly. Visual pollution.

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 10:56

It's probably isn't obvious but the overall cost of obesity is a great deal more per person than has been spent on Natalie. It extends to sewerage treatment plants, road surfaces, vehicles loads, fuel expended, furniture construction methods, and so on and so on. The overall cost to society extends well beyond "just" healthcare issues.

Tell you what Jim I only have 17% fat and I know I keep a sewage plant busy!!

So based on Keynes theory of economics, obesity is actually providing more jobs, more spending and more taxes for the Govt, why the argument that smokers are allowed the same health care priveleges because they pay a lot of tax on cigarettes so should not be prejudiced............

James Deuce

22nd November 2007, 11:17

Tell you what Jim I only have 17% fat and I know I keep a sewage plant busy!!

So based on Keynes theory of economics, obesity is actually providing more jobs, more spending and more taxes for the Govt, why the argument that smokers are allowed the same health care priveleges because they pay a lot of tax on cigarettes so should not be prejudiced............

Trust you to completely misinterpret it. The infrastructure to support the growing number of fatties doesn't exist. So we have to pay for it directly and indirectly whether you are a chubba or not. Believe me when I say that fatties produce more effluent than skinnies and the biggest component of that effluent is excess fat which blocks sewerage pipes.

It isn't Keynesian Economics at all because the law of diminishing returns kicks in really fast in a country like NZ.

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 11:19

Trust you to completely misinterpret it. The infrastructure to support the growing number of fatties doesn't exist. So we have to pay for it directly and indirectly whether you are a chubba or not. Believe me when I say that fatties produce more effluent than skinnies and the biggest component of that effluent is excess fat which blocks sewerage pipes.

It isn't Keynesian Economics at all because the law of diminishing returns kicks in really fast in a country like NZ.

Or maybe I just see things from a different angle.

James Deuce

22nd November 2007, 11:21

No, you're obfuscating because my answer doesn't suit your argument.

Skyryder

22nd November 2007, 15:27

Because you voted for Labour.

Shit I would sooner pay for your hair transplants than some import who has not contributed one cent to the NZ economy.

Skyryder

Finn

22nd November 2007, 15:31

Shit I would sooner pay for your hair transplants than some import who has not contributed one cent to the NZ economy.

Skyryder

The Labour caucus are all foreigners?

Maha

22nd November 2007, 15:37

Tell you what Jim I only have 17% fat and I know I keep a sewage plant busy!!

So how many Carbon Credits do you have?

Kittyhawk

22nd November 2007, 15:44

And people wonder why kiwis are going overseas for work...the system sux here...

Its hard enough trying to find good jobs here...if overseas people can find work in NZ why cant kiwis?

Train up the unemployed...get the prisioners doing some labour work...making clothes, training guide dogs, helping the homeless by cooking for them, planting seeds in containers for orchards....get the productivity going here...

More people immigrate to NZ, more go onto benifits after they are granted citizenship, more prisioners, more gangs etc...it just stresses our services...

Im not racist...but I do get annoyed when foreigners get a job over me...and I know this for a fact...it's happend, and I've been discriminated for a mental illness I have..

NZ Post....had an interview with them a while back for a postie, as a cyclist...didnt get the job...why? because I have depression, yet they awarded it to some non kiwi who cant read or speak english properly.

jrandom

22nd November 2007, 16:00

NZ Post....had an interview with them a while back for a postie, as a cyclist...didnt get the job...why? because I have depression...

How is that relevant?

Sounds like illegal discrimination to me.

Finn

22nd November 2007, 16:05

Tell you what Jim I only have 17% fat and I know I keep a sewage plant busy!!

So how do they seperate semen from poop?

jrandom

22nd November 2007, 16:07

So how do they seperate semen from poop?

They don't. It's called santorum (http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/).

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 16:07

So how many Carbon Credits do you have?

I am paying interest mate.................

Grahameeboy

22nd November 2007, 16:11

So how do they seperate semen from poop?

They don't.....................

Kittyhawk

22nd November 2007, 20:37

How is that relevant?

Sounds like illegal discrimination to me.

Yea well it happend. I was completely annoyed at it....I passed all the tests given...even the bicycle riding test! and some struggled with that!~

WTF is wrong with the selection process thesedays?

One chick could not even ride a bike and she applied!

ARGH