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speights_bud
23rd November 2007, 06:38
Wire Rope Barrier
"Cheese Cutter"
Protest ride

Tuesday 4th December

This is an opportunity for all motorists to show your concern about the dangers of wire
rope barriers ("Cheese Cutters") on New Zealand roads.
If you feel these are a danger to motorcyclists and other road users, then join this protest ride
to raise the public profile of the campaign to stop the
construction of these and to improve the safety of existing barriers.

Leaving: Yacht basin on Redoubt St, Taupo.

Meet at 11:15 For 11:45 Departure

Destination: ROAD SAFETY BARRIER SYSTEMS WORKSHOP, Suncourt Motor Hotel & Conference Centre. Approx 15-20 mins riding
NB: there are no toilets, food stores or petrol pumps there.


NB: Attached is a word Doc with the above details if you feel appropriate to print out and distribute accordingly.

PLEASE RESISTER VIA CALENDAR LINK HERE:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2007-12-4&c=0

Meekey_Mouse
25th November 2007, 18:52
Do any Auckland folk know if they are coming down for this yet?

If the some of the Wellington crew can make the effort surely you guys can too :whistle: :Pokey: :dodge::bleh:

yungatart
27th November 2007, 15:08
Do any Auckland folk know if they are coming down for this yet?

If the some of the Wellington crew can make the effort surely you guys can too :whistle: :Pokey: :dodge::bleh:

I would hope so, particularly since the Auckland motorway system must have freakin' kilometres of the stuff!!!

speights_bud
27th November 2007, 21:41
I'll come along to this one as well if at all able

Sounds good DMNTD, flick myself or Meekey_mouse a PM if you need any more details on anything/directions/accommodation

cowboy
27th November 2007, 21:49
Do any Auckland folk know if they are coming down for this yet?

Im planing to get down there.
Any more from Auckland heading down?

yungatart
28th November 2007, 07:13
Directions seen simple enough... HERE (http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/taupo/taupo+central/redoubt+street/), and as I just live up the road in Tauranga I should be sweet re accommodation.
Hope I can make it. :yes:

Drag some mates along too, if you can Chris.
These tosspots playing with our lives need to see that we are serious and we mean business!

scrivy
28th November 2007, 11:30
Will be there with bells on.

How many at this stage?

Skunk
28th November 2007, 20:29
I'll be bringing up 50 electrostatic stickers relating to the campaign if anybody wants to stick one (temporarily) on their bike. See me on the white RD250 with a green Z1000 nearby.

Genestho
28th November 2007, 21:06
Go for it guys, Im there in "spirit" with ya's, have a wicked day! Hope you get the large numbers like you have been. Make some noise:niceone:

MSTRS
29th November 2007, 10:01
It would seem that the HB crew along with MeekyMouse have picked up the reins of organising this. We've put in a lot of effort so far in planning to make this a worthwhile event.
BUT we need bums on bikes to make this work. How do we get a show of hands to gauge numbers attending??

007XX
29th November 2007, 10:07
Shit! I'd love to, but have just started a new job, so am unable to take time off during the week. :no:

Was already given a hard time abotu taking 1 day off to look after my sick boy, so I don't think they'll understand a bike ride...:rolleyes:

Anyway, I'll be thinking of you guys...:headbang:

Skunk
29th November 2007, 11:59
Is there somewhere to register attendance?

MSTRS
29th November 2007, 13:21
Not that I'm aware of. And I don't know how to make one of those attendance thingies....

Nasty
29th November 2007, 13:44
Not that I'm aware of. And I don't know how to make one of those attendance thingies....

I have made an event to register in the calender.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2007-12-4&c=0

Nasty

MSTRS
29th November 2007, 14:46
Thanks lassie

McDuck
29th November 2007, 20:16
I am in. Can we get this a home page feature?

Katman
29th November 2007, 20:22
Yeah, I'm bringing Mcduck along to protect me from you lot.:msn-wink:

blue eyed savage
29th November 2007, 20:28
at the moment im in. anyone from the naki go over?

McDuck
29th November 2007, 20:31
Looking falward to it.

McDuck
29th November 2007, 21:10
Yeah, I'm bringing Mcduck along to protect me from you lot.:msn-wink:

yea, and it may take a fair bit of protecting.... lol

Lucy
29th November 2007, 22:51
My bike is in Wellington. If anyone can bring it up for me (actually it's in Pukerua Bay), to Raetihi then I can come on this ride.

yungatart
30th November 2007, 07:09
My bike is in Wellington. If anyone can bring it up for me (actually it's in Pukerua Bay), to Raetihi then I can come on this ride.

Somebody help the lady out!

yungatart
30th November 2007, 07:13
Dang you're cute when you get all assertive and stuff ;)

Whaddya mean when I get all assertive and stuff....buddy, I'm cute all the time!!!

Meekey_Mouse
30th November 2007, 09:21
My bike is in Wellington. If anyone can bring it up for me (actually it's in Pukerua Bay), to Raetihi then I can come on this ride.

You could put a post in the LSS3 and Loosebruce memorial trackday thread... I'm sure some one will be coming up from that way with a trailer on :)

MSTRS
30th November 2007, 10:44
Just so's you all know...details of the ride/route will not be posted here
In short, there will be a rider's briefing before we set off, the marshalls will be keeping the group together and ensuring our safety at intersections, the less experienced riders will travel at the back and the lead riders will assist them with parking at the finish.

blue eyed savage
1st December 2007, 20:04
is anyone going throw palmerston north, waiouru or woodville i can meet you and ride up with u. just need a time and a place to meet.

MSTRS
1st December 2007, 20:37
Right. We meet at BP Bayview. Plan to leave 9.30-9.45...

yungatart
2nd December 2007, 14:49
Bumpity bump!!!

15 registrations so far.

I realise that this is a week day (read work day) for most of you.
If you can be there the motorcycling community would appreciate it.

Lets keep this campaign going peeps...and make these delegates sit up and take notice!

Gixxer 4 ever
3rd December 2007, 12:51
You will find these pic's here
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62260

So you don't want to stop the killing? Come on get on with it. Hawkes Bay is pushing this protest in Taupo and we don't have these things yet.
Take the day off and come to the ride............... please..........

Meekey_Mouse
3rd December 2007, 13:21
Well Mr Tide will be turning up to my place here in Tauranga sooner than later and we'll be popping over tomorrow to join in.
Hoping for at least one other to come along with us. :yes:

Woo hoo :2thumbsup

If any one isn't sure on where the meeting place is, meet at the Taupo McDonalds (there is only one) at 11AM :)

Skunk
3rd December 2007, 14:45
I'll be bringing up 50 electrostatic stickers relating to the campaign if anybody wants to stick one (temporarily) on their bike. See me on the white RD250 with a green Z1000 nearby.
I'm going to be on the Green Z1000 (no RD). See you all at Bayview.

yungatart
3rd December 2007, 15:06
Dare I say this...the Auklanders have been pretty quiet about this ride.
FFS Auckland is riddled with these things...so you lose a day's pay? But you could gain a day's riding...
Petrol tax for Auck's traffic problems from the pockets of every motorist int he country.
Tis time to put something back, guys, and make all New Zealand roads safer for all New Zealanders.
Get on your bikes and get to Taupo tomorrow.



rant over...

Holy Roller
3rd December 2007, 15:47
Woo hoo :2thumbsup

If any one isn't sure on where the meeting place is, meet at the Taupo McDonalds (there is only one) at 11AM :)

Is this before we meet at the yacht basin?
I will be there after a slower trip with the trailer.


To quote a recent ad

"What defines us is what we say NO to".
SAY NO to Wire Rope Barriers

MSTRS
3rd December 2007, 16:14
Brilliant, O Anointed One.

Zukin
3rd December 2007, 16:42
+1

Well done that man
Come on to those that can make it :2thumbsup

See you tommorrow

Zukin
3rd December 2007, 16:43
BTW

Has anyone been in contact with the media as yet??:blink:

Cheers

Zukin
3rd December 2007, 16:45
Right. We meet at BP Bayview. Plan to leave 9.30-9.45...

Hi

I will be meeting the Welly crew at the Pedigrew Green Arena and I will escort them to Bayview BP for the meeting time
If by some reason we are running late I will text you all and let you know so that you can stay or carry on.


Regards Scott

yungatart
3rd December 2007, 16:47
BTW

Has anyone been in contact with the media as yet??:blink:

Cheers

Done!:2thumbsup

robertydog
3rd December 2007, 16:49
Hi

I will be meeting the Welly crew at the Pedigrew Green Arena and I will escort them to Bayview BP for the meeting time
If by some reason we are running late I will text you all and let you know so that you can stay or carry on.


Regards Scott

Probably be better meeting at the golf course then you could take them up links road and straight up the motorway. Just an idea

Zukin
3rd December 2007, 16:52
Probably be better meeting at the golf course then you could take them up links road and straight up the motorway. Just an idea

Yeah I did think of that, but Grub (from Welly) knows how to find that so we will keep it at that, I will take them around the new road anyway :cool:

Cheers

Meekey_Mouse
3rd December 2007, 17:00
Is this before we meet at the yacht basin?
I will be there after a slower trip with the trailer

This is just for people who don't know where the yacht basin is.

Just thought we need every one there that we can, don't want people ridin round town gettin lost.


BTW

Has anyone been in contact with the media as yet??:blink:

Cheers

TV3 has been emailed, but haven't got any reply.

Taupo Times have said they will definitely send some one there and the Weekender have said they will try be there, but not sure if they can.

I haven't contacted any other media so not sure about others

MSTRS
3rd December 2007, 17:03
TV One have just got off the phone to YT. Hope they will be there.

Meekey_Mouse
3rd December 2007, 17:08
TV One have just got off the phone to YT. Hope they will be there.
:Punk: Awesome!!!

scrivy
3rd December 2007, 17:46
Anyone needing a room to stay, I've got spare beds at my house in Taupo.

Scrivy

Wasp27
3rd December 2007, 18:28
Just a reminder folks...Red Arm Bands (left arm) for the ride tomorrow....thanks

weathers looking really good for Taupo....be a shame to miss supporting such an important issue....see you all there. cheers W

sunhuntin
3rd December 2007, 18:41
thanks for the reminder, wasp. will anyone have tape there tomorrow?

yungatart
3rd December 2007, 19:26
Will throw some vinyl strips in like we had in Welly.

N1CK
3rd December 2007, 20:30
Hey, around what time will it be finishing in taupo? Just an estimate would be good.

Meekey_Mouse
3rd December 2007, 20:49
Hey, around what time will it be finishing in taupo? Just an estimate would be good.

I honestly have no idea, but I would think it to be around 1PM or 1:30???

Some one from the Napier crew will probably be up early and will be able to answer that for you :)

N1CK
3rd December 2007, 20:54
Ok, thanks for that.

MidnightMike
3rd December 2007, 21:34
Just a reminder folks...Red Arm Bands (left arm) for the ride tomorrow....thanks

weathers looking really good for Taupo....be a shame to miss supporting such an important issue....see you all there. cheers W

Arrrrr feck, Im coming down with DMNTD and Tide, but I forgot about the red armband, will have to source something quicksmart. :shit:

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 03:43
Hey, around what time will it be finishing in taupo? Just an estimate would be good.

I think about 1.00pm would be very close....depending on whether the media gets involved after the address, cheers W

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 04:01
Just another thought...... particularly for those traveling considerable distances today......BRING A WATER BOTTLE, even if it's just a 250ml bottle that will comfortably fit in your jacket. With expected temperatures in the mid 20s.... you WILL need a drink, probably every hour at least. you can easily plan your drink stops mid-way between your fuel stops.... then refill your bottles when you fuel up. just my 0.2c worth.....
and last but not least... 'PLEASE RIDE SAFE'

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 04:25
Special thanks to all those folk that are riding with us today...your support is appreciated. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank 2 people who have done a tremendous amount of work, (mostly behind the scenes) and spent considerable time in organizing and planning for this event. I know both Meekey Mouse (Jas) and our own Yungatart (Janet) will be very reluctant in excepting any praise for their efforts....You both represent all thats good in KiwiBikers :2thumbsup Well Done

madandy
4th December 2007, 04:41
Ride safe people . Get that message across!
I'm off to hospital soon with Sharon to birth the next KBer.

Nasty
4th December 2007, 05:37
I left four guys ready to travel from Rimutex this morning at 6 am ... they looked ready and rearing for the challenge. :)

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 06:01
I left four guys ready to travel from Rimutex this morning at 6 am ... they looked ready and rearing for the challenge. :)

It's a pity you can't be with us today Kari....catch up next time, cheers W

Nasty
4th December 2007, 06:09
It's a pity you can't be with us today Kari....catch up next time, cheers W

I know its a bummer .. I already am 40 hours overdrawn on my leave ... opps!

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 06:50
Ride safe people . Get that message across!
I'm off to hospital soon with Sharon to birth the next KBer.

Hope all goes well Andy.....we need pics ya know:baby:

Meekey_Mouse
4th December 2007, 06:52
Have a good trip every one... the weather is STUNNING here :yes:


Arrrrr feck, Im coming down with DMNTD and Tide, but I forgot about the red armband, will have to source something quicksmart. :shit:

Don't worry, I'll be bringing spare tape for any one who needs it


Special thanks to all those folk that are riding with us today...your support is appreciated. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank 2 people who have done a tremendous amount of work, (mostly behind the scenes) and spent considerable time in organizing and planning for this event. I know both Meekey Mouse (Jas) and our own Yungatart (Janet) will be very reluctant in excepting any praise for their efforts....You both represent all thats good in KiwiBikers :2thumbsup Well Done

Aww shucks :o I haven't done much, all you Napier crew have been amazing and my mum has done a lot of the work round Taupo taking flyers as she goes for walks in case she sees any bikers:2thumbsup


Ride safe people . Get that message across!
I'm off to hospital soon with Sharon to birth the next KBer.

Woo!! All the best, hope it goes well :) :banana:

yungatart
4th December 2007, 06:52
Arrrrr feck, Im coming down with DMNTD and Tide, but I forgot about the red armband, will have to source something quicksmart. :shit:


I will have spares!!



Special thanks to all those folk that are riding with us today...your support is appreciated. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank 2 people who have done a tremendous amount of work, (mostly behind the scenes) and spent considerable time in organizing and planning for this event. I know both Meekey Mouse (Jas) and our own Yungatart (Janet) will be very reluctant in excepting any praise for their efforts....You both represent all thats good in KiwiBikers :2thumbsup Well Done

Thanks Warwick....tis nothing....a woman has to do what a man won't (can't), or summat like that....
All the best to Madandy and Sharon today

NZsarge
4th December 2007, 06:57
All the best for the ride today.

Wasp27
4th December 2007, 06:59
All the best for the ride today.

Thanks John....catch ya later dude:msn-wink:

MidnightMike
4th December 2007, 14:53
Hey guys, that was a great turn out! :niceone:

Big thanks to Meekymouse (Jas) and yungatart (Janet) for their efforts into organising this for us. (bling to you both)

Also thanks to DMNTD and tide for the ride down, thought not so much the ride back eh chris :nono:

Doesnt matter anyways, I had more fun on the way back from Rotorua by myself than what I did for most of the last coro loop, forgot how good that road back was, and also got the confidence on my bike that hasnt been there for last month.

cheers.

DMNTD
4th December 2007, 15:03
Good on everyone that put action to their opinions and turned up!
I really wanted to say something to the rep that turned up and spouted his wee speech as I personally thought it was bollix...but hey at least someone did come out,I guess.
A special thanks to...EVERYONE! :sunny:




Also thanks to DMNTD and tide for the ride down, thought not so much the ride back eh chris :nono:
You bloody twit! I did 100-105kmph all the way back to Rotorua...stopped for gas and watched you ride past as I was waving to you. :mellow:

MidnightMike
4th December 2007, 15:10
Err, woops, what petrol station did you stop at au? :confused:

DMNTD
4th December 2007, 15:12
Err, woops, what petrol station did you stop at au? :confused:

The one where a 100kg fat bastard was waving at you ya skinny gimp! <_<
1st one going into Rotorua by a roundabout :sunny:

janno
4th December 2007, 15:25
Can someone please post up a "ride report" on the protest and how it went for the benefit of those who weren't there? Who was this rep and what was the problem there?

Just driven up to Auckland today and horrified to see miles and fricken miles of cheesecutter where it never used to be. Felt very uncomfortable even in the car. That stuff just looks lethal, never mind that it really is . . .

tri boy
4th December 2007, 15:34
i'll leave any ride reports for the people who can type with more than two fingers. Suffice to say that it was a very well behaved bunch of riders, and hopefully the engineers in charge of road safety may keep us considered when it comes to further barrier planning.
Nice to catch up with one or two familiar faces, and also meet some new ones.:niceone:

tri boy
4th December 2007, 15:38
And a few more pic's.

yungatart
4th December 2007, 15:42
Just got back from Taupo.
The ride went well, we had about 45 ish bikes turn up.
Well done to those that were there, being on a Tuesday and all.

Jas (Meekey Mouse) and her family did a fantastic job of organising this, distributing fliers, borrowing Hi- Vis vests for the marshalls etc and then offering their hospitality to all who turned up. Awesome people! Also Thanks to Gixxer4eva and Wasp27 for scouting out the route, G4E and Speights bud for traffic control, Meekey Mouse for being our lead rider, Zukin and Holy Roller for TEC, Wasp27 and MSTRS for those amazing flags!

All riders were well behaved...I think that is cos I scared them all at the pre ride brief!!

We headed through town in a roundabout, circuitous route to the Suncourt. I tell you...people really look when they see those munting great flags on the lead bikes!! Reactions were priceless!

I had barely parked my bike when two delegates from the workshop joined us on the grass. They politely listened to us and responded very well, no doubt, towing the party line all the way! However, they did turn up and they did appear to listen! Mind you, I was speaking directly to the dude with the accent...and he knew it!

Their stance is that they are looking at "world best practice" regarding installing these death traps, and have been liaising with BRONZ.
That means, folks, that we need to keep the pressure on....now is not the time to sit and rest on one's laurels. Petiton forms need to be filled,
MP"S lobbied, write articles for your local newspaper, letters to the editor, lets keep rolling guys! We don't want to lose momentum and have this issue fade away over the "silly season"

Pics later!

HTFU
4th December 2007, 15:48
Well done to the organisers of the ride today. I think it made as much real impact as you could expect. Also a good day to go for a ride and meet some more KB riders. :yes:

janno
4th December 2007, 16:01
I'll be in contact with a couple of the major papers when I get back, and look at getting a feature on CC barriers in with them. Luckily for us, January is silly season for the papers, not much happening news wise so they are generally very open to contributions from freelancers.

Can anyone with pertinent information that they think I need to know please pm it to me and I will be in contact when I get back. (12/12/07). If anyone knows members of families of those injured or killed by ccs and who would be willing to talk (horrible I know, but at least I'm not a mercenary hack) then pm me as well. I won't be hunting any families down out of respect, I'll leave it up to others to suggest it to them and if they are able to help out in this cause, then I would be grateful to hear from them.

MSTRS
4th December 2007, 16:16
Just to add my appreciation to those that made the effort to attend. Well done guys and girls.
And to re-iterate DMNTD & YT's comments re the Transit dude...he listened and respected our 2 minute silence (that was a looooong time). But once he responded all his credibility went down the gurgler. Telling us what he thought we 'wanted' to hear, sort of. What a crock.
Please - do not cease joint and individual efforts. This is going to be a long campaign I fear. But the outcome should never be in any doubt.
NO MORE CHEESECUTTERS.

McDuck
4th December 2007, 16:19
Well guys it looks like waht ever bug i had stayed away till i got home.
It seems i am reather sick, should be fun for the next few days.
I am glade i could be there.
Peace out.

robertydog
4th December 2007, 16:55
Was a good day all round i thought. Thanks to everyone that in some way organised this event. Ya did a good job. Thanks to everyone that came along. Not bad for a Tuesday.
Im glad that Transit came out and listened to what was said. Because at least we know that they know what we are about.
I would like to mention that we had the late loosebruce's family with us today. Many thanks for staying after the track day and being apart of this event.

robertydog
4th December 2007, 16:56
..................................

Nasty
4th December 2007, 17:31
Just want to say what an amazing job all those involved have done today ... well done 45 bikes is huge compared to the 21 registered ... the signs are fantastic ... what a way to get the message out there ... now I will prepare dinner and await the return of the Grub .. who I think is still riding home from there.

Meekey_Mouse
4th December 2007, 17:34
Thanks so much to all who came!! All you guys and gals made it a great ride, with out each and every one of you... I don't think it would of gone as well as it did, nor would there of been many of us :shutup:

A few special thanks to some people who have put a lot of effort into this: (In no particular order :bleh:)

Skunk and Holly Roller, thanks for the signs and static stickers
Yungatart thanks for a great speach and putting so much into this campaign
MSTRS and Wasp27 those flags definitely caught peoples attention!
Gixxer_4_Ever and Speights_bud thanks for doing such an awesome job at stopping the traffic

Thanks to all the Napier crew for stepping in and helping to put this day together :Punk:

And especially thanks to Loosebruce's family for being there, it was an honor to meet you and it meant a lot to me, as I'm sure it did to a lot of other people, that you were there supporting us :hug:

Keep on goin guys! Get those petitions out there and get them signed :2thumbsup

Holy Roller
6th December 2007, 07:59
First names OK and where you are from

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79069&d=1196744201


Left to right

? Sunhunting from Wanganui, McDuck5 from Whakatane, Myself from Kawerau, ? , ? , ? , ? , ? .

MSTRS
6th December 2007, 08:07
Ian - Taupo, Charlie/Sunhuntin - Wanganui, Donald/McDuck05 - Whakatane, HR - Kawerau, ...., ...., who knows, ..., Skunk - Wellington.
Might pay to ask permission for use of names.

sunhuntin
6th December 2007, 09:04
just put me down as sunhuntin... :2thumbsup

HTFU
6th December 2007, 09:50
Ian - Taupo, Charlie/Sunhuntin - Wanganui, Donald/McDuck05 - Whakatane, HR - Kawerau, ...., ...., Robert(ydog) - Napier, Wayne - Otorohanga, Skunk - Wellington.

robertydog
6th December 2007, 10:17
How can robertydog be in that pic when hes holding the camera

MSTRS
6th December 2007, 10:44
How can robertydog be in that pic when hes holding the camera

Sorry, O Uncapped One...Have removed my blind guess

Meekey_Mouse
6th December 2007, 16:40
Hey guys and gals, here is the Taupo Times article... opinions?

MSTRS
6th December 2007, 16:46
OKish. Typical in that some detail was wrong...the Transit guy did not promise investigations before any more installed, only they would look into our concerns.
Also, reporter could have made a feature of the issues that should concern all motorists with regards to the cheesecutters.
Still, at least it portrayed 'us' in a good light, so there's a success.
Thanks for posting MM.

robertydog
6th December 2007, 18:26
Bloody kool i reckon. The more people that know about these things the better.

BigG
6th December 2007, 18:56
How can robertydog be in that pic when hes holding the camera He looks younger than you:bleh:

Wasp27
6th December 2007, 19:06
Bloody kool i reckon. The more people that know about these things the better.

Exactly.....That sir, is the whole point:niceone:

Squiggles
15th December 2007, 16:01
Hey guys and gals, here is the Taupo Times article... opinions?

Last paragraph says alot for us being reasonable :)

MSTRS
15th December 2007, 16:06
Last paragraph says alot for us being reasonable :)

Exactly. It's not an unreasonable request to want a safer barrier for motorcyclists.

Katman
15th December 2007, 16:17
Exactly. It's not an unreasonable request to want a safer barrier for motorcyclists.

Is it unreasonable to ask motorcyclists to ride with a greater degree of maturity and responsibility?

yungatart
16th December 2007, 12:28
Is it unreasonable to ask motorcyclists to ride with a greater degree of maturity and responsibility?

Wrong forum, Katman...this is cheesecutter campaign, not your "lets play nice" campaign...
But, ALL the people I ride with are responsible and mature about their riding...you need to change your circle of friends...

MSTRS
16th December 2007, 12:33
Is it unreasonable to ask motorcyclists to ride with a greater degree of maturity and responsibility?

You can pat yourself on the back for being responsible and mature when a double blowout on a diesel slick sees you sliding into a cheesecuttter.
Please don't forget we want a report with pics, from you, of course, so that we can also congratulate you for being so responsible and mature...not to mention, highly skilled in keeping yourself safe.

DingoZ
16th December 2007, 12:37
Ian - Taupo, Charlie/Sunhuntin - Wanganui, Donald/McDuck05 - Whakatane, HR - Kawerau, ...., ...., who knows, ..., Skunk - Wellington.
Might pay to ask permission for use of names.

Person with both hands in pockets, cap and sunny's is moi....Andrew (dingoz) Wellington...

Katman
16th December 2007, 15:19
Wrong forum, Katman...this is cheesecutter campaign, not your "lets play nice" campaign...
But, ALL the people I ride with are responsible and mature about their riding...you need to change your circle of friends...

And therein lies your greatest problem. You are too intently focused on a small issue (that we, as motorcyclists, through our own actions, have the ability to greatly lessen the impact of) instead of looking at the bigger picture. Target fixation indeed.

yungatart
16th December 2007, 16:10
Gaaahhhhh!
I give up!

sunhuntin
16th December 2007, 16:29
ill say it for ya, yt. katman... fuck off! ya dont like it, dont fuckin read it! there is more to surviving on our roads than maturity on the part of the rider.

MSTRS
16th December 2007, 16:38
ill say it for ya, yt. katman... fuck off! ya dont like it, dont fuckin read it! there is more to surviving on our roads than maturity on the part of the rider.

You go, girl...
Our roads are littered with the corpses of motorcyclists. Some of those deaths were avoidable, some were not...that's just part of the dangers of motorcycling. Reducing the dangers is something close to (most of) our hearts.
For all the bagging they get, Transit are trying to make our roads safer...it's just that WRB are a poor choice for us.
Katman, you keep plugging away at changing attitudes (good luck with that), the rest of us will work on things that threaten our lives but can be changed.
So, if you haven't anything sensible to offer in the cheesecutter threads, then I reiterate the earlier statements....FUCK OFF.

sunhuntin
16th December 2007, 16:44
cheers dude.

hey katman... heres a question. you know those two bikes that got hit by that cop? how would things have been different if they were both riding with or without maturity? what about the toy run taken out by a camper? group riding requires lots of maturity. i know none of those involve a cheese cutter, but you state mature riding will protect us from everything that threatens us, like some kind of force field. newsflash: it wont. the unexpected will bite hard, and we do not get a say in the matter. when the reaper comes... we have to go.

WelshWizard
16th December 2007, 23:00
Sorry but reading the artical just leaves me saying "What a crock of sh!t" Transit don't give a stuff about bike riders safety, when they take the Motorcylist figures out of their investigation for reason they stated esle where " we have removed motorbike crash data as it adversly effects our survey "

time to get real, we have to be in there face at every opertunity, the slightest chance of getting our message over has to be taken,
BTW
Has any body got a link to the Ozzy protest over these things I believe it was South Australia where the bikers just parked up on the State highway and had a sit down protest to bring their protest to the attention of every one, and lets not forget

Wire and steel barriers kill and maim bikers.
wire and Steel barrier kill and maim Car drivers, even if installed as per designers specs, ours in NZ fail in most places to even comply.
Wire and Steel barriers fail to stop lorries either going straight through them, or over the top of them and then either killing and maiming Bikers and car drivers.
Rant over.

yungatart
17th December 2007, 07:47
Hey Welsh Wizard we are well aware of Transits "abilities", regarding motorcyclists and road safety, in particular re the current campaign.

There are quite a few of us who would like to ramp the campaign up a bit with acts of civil disobedience and the like. There are others who believe our interests will best be served by dialogue with the appropriate authorities.

TBPH I don't know which group is right....I just know that we can't afford to get it wrong, because it will be decades before we get another chance.

Deano
17th December 2007, 07:58
Is it unreasonable to ask motorcyclists to ride with a greater degree of maturity and responsibility?

You're generalising. Not all motorcyclists ride like twats.

WelshWizard
17th December 2007, 13:00
Hey Welsh Wizard we are well aware of Transits "abilities", regarding motorcyclists and road safety, in particular re the current campaign.

There are quite a few of us who would like to ramp the campaign up a bit with acts of civil disobedience and the like. There are others who believe our interests will best be served by dialogue with the appropriate authorities.

TBPH I don't know which group is right....I just know that we can't afford to get it wrong, because it will be decades before we get another chance.


Don't get me wrong, when I say we need to ramp it up, I mean don't let them think we are going away, they read these threads so the more they see about the more they are going to have to think about, in the end they will loose

Ixion
17th December 2007, 13:02
There's a good argument can be amde for having both. Good cop, bad cop sort of thing. So long as , to Transit and public and MPs etc, the two groups can be distinguished.