KB postings and the law/courts

[carver]

can whats posted on KB be used by police as evidence?
can our usernames be connected with R/L?
how much of whats said on here would stick?
and would the cops do it? and how?

tis a scary thought!

[Jantar]

It is extremely unlikely that anything posted on here could be used as direct evidence. It is hearsay evidence at best, although the police may use anything on here to intimidate you into a confession.

In order to use anything here as direct evidence they would need to prove who the real life writer is, and prove that no other person who may have had access to the computer also knew your username and password.

[Katman]

But if only they could, aye?:msn-wink:

[carver]

It is extremely unlikely that anything posted on here could be used as direct evidence. It is hearsay evidence at best, although the police may use anything on here to intimidate you into a confession.

In order to use anything here as direct evidence they would need to prove who the real life writer is, and prove that no other person who may have had access to the computer also knew your username and password.

how about photo's?
people have whispered about printouts from this site being used at crash sites.
i have a disclaimer on my user notes just in case

[Katman]

i have a disclaimer on my user notes just in case

I'm sure there's plenty who would stand up and say "It was him officer".:msn-wink:

[Jorja]

One Kber did something silly in the real world and it was his own words on Kb that got him in trouble with the authorities.

[onearmedbandit]

Take it to the extreme. If you confessed to a murder online, what do you think the consequences would be?

[McJim]

I think that comments from an online forum could be used to instgate an investigation but doubt that anything, even photographic evidence, taken from a site could be used as proof in a court of law.

As Jantar points out - all you need to do is prove that you're free and easy with your log in and say you have no idea who was logged in as you at the time you made the comment.

As for photographs - most people could create any photo they want using photoshop or any one of a myriad of other photo manipulation applications.

So now that we know you can't be incriminated what's the juicy gossip?:devil2:

[Romeo]

IIRC they need a Time, Date, Location and something that places you at the scene (ie: eyewitness + plate number, or photo evidence?). If you feel the need to brag about your antics online, DON'T give enough details for them to actually make a case of it!

[RDJ]

I'm sure that these forums are visited by people with their own agenda besides biking - looking for grist for their personal mills. The Bradford thread would be an obvious one as would 'confessions' - true or not - about speeding etc. Some of those people will either be LEOs or lawyers pass on info to those who are.

After all, when faced with Cultural Cones Of Silence and unable / unwilling to thoroughly and expeditiously investigate and prosecute killings such as the Kahuis and the Lillybings and so on, it's a lot easier to listen to noisy joyriders admitting various guilts online. Much less controversial too.

[Dargor]

I heard somewhere that (for youtube vids) all that was need was something to distinguish the driver and the place. That was probably for american law though.

[UberRhys]

I have heard of public internet forum posts can be used by the Police with regards to defamation of character. Or is this just idle threats from the man with no real grounds to push forward?:wacko:

[Usarka]

words alone on here? not likely unless it was serious enough for the cops to open an investigation (eg murder as per oab's post). without other evidence you could probably get away with arguing that you were talking shit.

if there is other evidence, your post may be able to be used as contributing evidence, one nail in the coffin and something for the cops to go on. Someone cutting up the motorway last night seen by the cops on an ER6n and then this morning a poster is bragging about it.....? Try your luck if you like, i wouldnt....

Others have access to your pc? courts work on the principle of reasonable doubt - would the court or a jury really believe your wife wrote a post looking like it is from you about running from the cops, cutting off an old lady and causing her to crash the day after this happening in real life? Or that your mates snuck over unseen and posted it for a laugh...?

[Edit:] and there is IP address logs which spank would have to hand over if served a warrant....

[The Pastor]

One Kber did something silly in the real world and it was his own words on Kb that got him in trouble with the authorities.
who was that?

[MotoGirl]

I severely doubt that I could be done for something I confess to online; after all, people are prone to exaggerating and there's so little proof.

[Mom]

I was reading an article in the Harold the other day relating to social networking places being used by potentioal employers to vet candidates. The advice was, if you dont want something you did 10 years ago as a young fella to come back and bite you, then dont post it! While KB is not primarily a social networking place, the new improved version of vbulliten offers the ability to have the bebo type profile page.........yeah my advice, be careful what you post.

[pzkpfw]

Odd.

I've read that some worthless doorknob can dump a bunch of bags of his rubish off the side of the road somewhere; you can go through it looking for contact details... but you can't charge him because there is no chain of evidence to prove it was actually him who dumped it there.


Now you do need a password to access your account on KB - but does that really prove it was you who posted something?

[Hitcher]

If you haven't seen it on CSI Miami, it's just not going to happen.

[fliplid]

There's lotsa sh*t on them progs- they aint very factual!

[Pancakes]

Yeah sorry for the confusion guys, that was me on Carvers login. Didn't want to use mine unless yoiu all thought it was a dumb question. I only asked cos I was doing at least 220 Kph today the 26th of November 2007 right up Queen St at 12:33 and wondered if anyone got photo's of my mad skillz? I'll swap you for some of the drugs I sell from the back of my van.....

Oh, and the good pics of Carver.... all me. The red repped stuff was him but.

[McJim]

Yeah sorry for the confusion guys, that was me on Carvers login. Didn't want to use mine unless yoiu all thought it was a dumb question. I only asked cos I was doing at least 220 Kph today the 26th of November 2007 right up Queen St at 12:33 and wondered if anyone got photo's of my mad skillz? I'll swap you for some of the drugs I sell from the back of my van.....

Oh, and the good pics of Carver.... all me. The red repped stuff was him but.

220 on a ho'bag? Now we know you're talking shit....it won't be the boys in blue but the lads in the white coats knocking on your door!:rofl:

[doc]

It's all being recorded digitally. If and only if you ever get involved in something serious. Then they are able to search everything you have done posted whatever and form a profile or character CV. Not a problem unless you want to be a modern day, Scott Watson, David Bain. Forget who the one in the kindie in Chch was. You would be naive to believe this is crap. Electronics is the way they are heading. Ask some you know how much is being spent by the Govt on digital storage systems.

[carver]

Yeah sorry for the confusion guys, that was me on Carvers login. Didn't want to use mine unless yoiu all thought it was a dumb question. I only asked cos I was doing at least 220 Kph today the 26th of November 2007 right up Queen St at 12:33 and wondered if anyone got photo's of my mad skillz? I'll swap you for some of the drugs I sell from the back of my van.....

Oh, and the good pics of Carver.... all me. The red repped stuff was him but.

i wonder if i can use this "Online Confession" in court?
i just wonder to how kiwi rider etc get away with pics of wheelies, stoppies and burnouts on public roads?

[Pancakes]

Thats a good point.

[homer]

no cant
unless your stupid to post time place and pics of you and your number plate
then yes they can and will

[AllanB]

Shhhhh - none of you have seen me.

OK

[AllanB]

Shhhhh - none of you have seen me.

OK

And I did not post that - OK

[AllanB]

And I did not post that - OK

Or that - seriously IT WAS NOT ME OFFICER

[Tank]

I doubt that they would ever chase a speeding ticket based on a forum post - but they can trace you - there have been many instances of this tracking kiddy fiddling scum. Heck the other day they unmanipulated a pic to get one of the bastards - now THAT was cool.

You run a far greater chance of having your digital id stolen for internet banking purposes ebay fraud etc before you have to worry about he police kicking your door in over pulling a stoppie.

[slopster]

I read a story in the Herald not so long ago about some boy racer. He was driving disqualified and went through a checkpoint. He said he'd left his licence at home and gave false details and got away with it. He went home and bragged about it including all the details on an internet forum (skylines downunder I think) and the police got him. I thought it was pretty funny but it does go to show that anyone can read what you post.

[Skyryder]

I'm not aware of an online confession being any different in law toany other kind of confession. The can match the computer to it's address. As there is an ID and password requirment unless the KB site was 'ticked' for an automatic connection you may have trouble convicting the police that the confession did not come from yourself. An alibi might get you off the hook. But it's the old story a confession takes a lot of 'disproving' by the confessor and then they could get you for wasting police time. Bottomline.......... if you did not do it don't say you did and if you did do it same rule applies.

Skyryder