Grim news from the weekend

[disenfranchised]

3 bikers died this weekend from accidents

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4287789a10.html

Take it easy out there people!!

[moT]

I knew Andre Jacobs well he was a mate of mine such a fucking shame he was a good dude was also a fellow KBer

[Blue Velvet]

Too many muppets. Safe travels everyone.

["D" FZ1]

That story about the weekends road toll is shocking. Gives me the shits, especially as I have young teenagers that are getting to the age of wanting to go out partying and want to learn to drive.

[SpankMe]

I hope the fucking cager who did the u-turn in front of the biker who died in Palmerston North is up on some serious carges.

Had a van do the same thing on me in the middle of newmarket when I was on my first GB.

[marioc]

farkin hell...such a waste

[Conquiztador]

I hope the fucking cager who did the u-turn in front of the biker who died in Palmerston North is up on some serious carges.

Had a van do the same thing on me in the middle of newmarket when I was on my first GB.

I can just see it: "Sorry, did not see that bike. Must have been speeding. I always do this and have never before had a problem..."

Murder!

[manwithav8]

Any news on who the Palmy North rider was?

R.I.P to those who have fallen.

Very bad weeknd on our roads..

[Coyote]

Notice how all the insurance wrecks on trademe under the description for how they got written off they say 'hit by car'?

A mate of mine just had his cruiser written off by a van cutting him off. Luckily he came off with just a sore knee

[Winston001]

I hope the fucking cager who did the u-turn in front of the biker who died in Palmerston North is up on some serious carges.

Had a van do the same thing on me in the middle of newmarket when I was on my first GB.

Yeah, that was my mate's son. His name was Oliver Moreton and I heard about it about 10:00pm last night. I'm in a daze at the moment.

I'd just spent the weekend at the Burt Munro Rally with two mates, one being Dave and we had a great time. Naturally we talked about our kids at various points. The last I saw of Dave was when I left the Wyndham racing and he heard about the death of his son a little later. Fortunately he had family with him at the time.

This is the first time one of my friends has had a child die and I'm finding it incomprehensible.

[jrandom]

Notice the subtle slant put on Andre Jacobs' death?

His '1000cc' motorcycle 'ploughed' into an oncoming car.

I didn't see any of the (far more reprehensible) drink-driving deaths using such obvious "temporary citizen" wording.

It would seem that you can drink up, go out in a car, kill innocent third parties and then get written about in nice, neutral tones, but if something goes wrong on a bike and the rider dies, the reporting is invariably painted in emotive shades of self-righteous priggery.

[Toaster]

The crashes continue, the deaths and injuries continue. No doubt the needless suffering and loss will continue.

Crashes are no "accident". There is always a cause or number of causes that contribute.

The loss is completely tragic. RIP to the fallen riders and sympathy to the families.

Please guys and girls, ride defensively. Other road users have a real knack for not seeing us and doing the most stupid things right when we least expect.

[manwithav8]

Yeah, that was my mate's son. His name was Oliver Moreton and I heard about it about 10:00pm last night. I'm in a daze at the moment.

I'd just spent the weekend at the Burt Munro Rally with two mates, one being Dave and we had a great time. Naturally we talked about our kids at various points. The last I saw of Dave was when I left the Wyndham racing and he heard about the death of his son a little later. Fortunately he had family with him at the time.

This is the first time one of my friends has had a child die and I'm finding it incomprehensible.

Was he a KB member?

[janno]

Notice the subtle slant put on Andre Jacobs' death?

His '1000cc' motorcycle 'ploughed' into an oncoming car.

I didn't see any of the (far more reprehensible) drink-driving deaths using such obvious "temporary citizen" wording.

It would seem that you can drink up, go out in a car, kill innocent third parties and then get written about in nice, neutral tones, but if something goes wrong on a bike and the rider dies, the reporting is invariable painted in emotive shades of self-righteous priggery.

Yep, noticed that straight away. The fact that plenty of 250cc's go like scalded cats is obviously beside the point. . .

An athlete on a racing bicycle could be honking along plenty fast enough to "plough" head on in to a car and die, but that is obviously also beside the point. Letter to the ed coming up, methinks.

Hmmm, goes away to get thinking cap. . .

[Ocean1]

Letter to the ed coming up, methinks.

Hmmm, goes away to get thinking cap. . .

Which might make you feel better. And will change the derogatory prose not a jot. They’re a different breed, their thoughts at the keyboard are those of someone manipulating stereotypes in order to pump the emotive quotient, they have no interest in facts, just sales. They also invariably seem endowed with an excess of smarmy social crusader halo wax, any attempt to correct them will be met with an indignant silence.

Also, you may just find that the facts are less than what you might find useful in searching for a more balanced press…

[RantyDave]

His '1000cc' motorcycle 'ploughed' into an oncoming car.
I'm sorry, and no doubt I'll be redded/abused into next week for this... but we're letting 18 year olds ride litrebikes. That's formula 1 performance with first world war safety. Freedom or no I think we need to be telling some of the younger and/or less experienced guys/gals "no", and that they just should not be riding such a thing.

Doesn't make it any easier to hear the news, and being on a road I like to ride only makes it closer to home. RIP always seems a thin shadow of what should be said and done.

Dave

[jrandom]

I'm sorry, and no doubt I'll be redded/abused into next week for this... but we're letting 18 year olds ride litrebikes. That's formula 1 performance with first world war safety.

I do not disagree with you.

But neither can I offer a good solution.

[Ocean1]

I do not disagree with you.

But neither can I offer a good solution.

Oh I'm sure you could if you thought about it for a minute. Just add another layer or two to the existing 250 restriction.

There's a bunch of stuff people of a youngish persuasion orta not be doing, some of it we actually encourage or even require of them.

How old should one be befor we permit them to make life or death decisions?

[Katman]

But neither can I offer a good solution.

Compulsory insurance would be a start. How could an 18 year old afford to insure a 1000cc bike? (Unless, of course, Mum and Dad forked out - which happens all too readily these days).

[Dave-]

someone was telling me in japan if you say "I didn't see him/her" you lose your license for incompetence.

dopey bitch who did a u turn infront of me a few months ago said she didn't see me, I told her I could see her perfectly fine, and that the reason she couldn't see me was because she didn't look, she almost cried, still hasn't paid her end of the excess for the repairs...little slut.

I sort of agree with ranty dave, it's scientifically proven that an 18 year old isn't as mature as an older person, however there are always exceptions to this rule, both ways, being that we know nothing about this lad we cannot say either way.

perhaps he wasn't suppose to be on a 1k, he didn't have his full? it's pretty hard to stop someone from doing anything these days...

condolences to those bikers downed in the weekend.

[Blue Velvet]

someone was telling me in japan if you say "I didn't see him/her" you lose your license for incompetence.

If that's true, it's good.

[90s]

From that article: "Speed remained the biggest killer, accounting for about a third of all deaths. Loss of control and alcohol were also responsible for many road deaths."

This makes me so depressed and angry. Speed was not the reason for any of these crashes. Speed is relative to conditions, so dangerous driving etc, education, control etc. by fools might be the 'biggest killer'. But whether a 16-yrs old on a litre-bike who gets totalled at 50ks by a u-turner of a 38-yr old on a 250 at 120ks hit by a drunk driver, speed is not the problem and cutting speed is not the answer.

When will we see an adult debate on this rather than a list of deaths followed by some hollow policy-speek rubbish that will not save anyone in the future?

[BuFfY]

Oh goodness that is such terrible news. Best wishes to the families

[Ocean1]

From that article: "Speed remained the biggest killer, accounting for about a third of all deaths. Loss of control and alcohol were also responsible for many road deaths."

This makes me so depressed and angry. Speed was not the reason for any of these crashes. Speed is relative to conditions, so dangerous driving etc, education, control etc. by fools might be the 'biggest killer'. But whether a 16-yrs old on a litre-bike who gets totalled at 50ks by a u-turner of a 38-yr old on a 250 at 120ks hit by a drunk driver, speed is not the problem and cutting speed is not the answer.

When will we see an adult debate on this rather than a list of deaths followed by some hollow policy-speek rubbish that will not save anyone in the future?

We're making a start dude, the cheese cutter campaign is a positive. Then there's a few other unattractive features of our roads we can work on...

[Hitcher]

This is the current "Death Season" for motorcyclists: warm weather, sun on one's leathers, dry clean roads, a chance to get the bike out of the shed after a winter lay-up (for those who do that sort of thing), group rides, cagers also affected by the weather and Christmas-shopping pressures.

There always seems to be a burst of biker deaths in late November/early December.

On another related matter, I don't know what was happening this weekend in the Wairarapa, but Mrs H and I were nearly exterminated by about 300 bikers on a group ride on the back road between Gladstone and Martinborough this Saturday. This group (many Harleys, but also a mix of other makes and models) were determined to ride too fast, too close, too wide and too stupidly for the conditions. We witnessed one bad accident. Surprisingly there weren't some fatalities associated with this errant foolish nonsense. Arses like this give all other bikers a bad name. They may have been enjoying themselves. Others they interacted with didn't share the experience.

[EJK]

RIP ............. again?

[Shadows]

On another related matter, I don't know what was happening this weekend in the Wairarapa, but Mrs H and I were nearly exterminated by about 300 bikers on a group ride on the back road between Gladstone and Martinborough this Saturday. This group (many Harleys, but also a mix of other makes and models) were determined to ride too fast, too close, too wide and too stupidly for the conditions. We witnessed one bad accident. Surprisingly there weren't some fatalities associated with this errant foolish nonsense. Arses like this give all other bikers a bad name. They may have been enjoying themselves. Others they interacted with didn't share the experience.

That was a poker run. Didn't know of any crashes though... I'll have to ask around.

EDIT: One rider didn't quite make it around a corner and left the road. He was fine.

[masterofpuppets]

Notice the subtle slant put on Andre Jacobs' death?

His '1000cc' motorcycle 'ploughed' into an oncoming car.

I didn't see any of the (far more reprehensible) drink-driving deaths using such obvious "temporary citizen" wording.

It would seem that you can drink up, go out in a car, kill innocent third parties and then get written about in nice, neutral tones, but if something goes wrong on a bike and the rider dies, the reporting is invariably painted in emotive shades of self-righteous priggery.

I was riding with Andre at the time of his death. I was about 20 meters in front of him when it happened. He was a very good smooth rider and was taking the sweetest lines. It is disgusting that the media get away with what they say. RIP Andre...

[Street Gerbil]

I hope the fucking cager who did the u-turn in front of the biker who died in Palmerston North is up on some serious carges.
Are you farkin kidding? Dude, this is New Zealand! The best you can count on is a fine and a bit of flogging with a wet bus ticket, and you can be fairly certain there will be a demonstration on Queen St against this "cruel and unusual punishment".

[mark247]

It's a shame his death is being portrayed that way. He was no fool. I remember he had a ZXR400 and he downgraded to a GN250, now if he was a total hoon, would he had done that? Nope.

[spookytooth]

I ve been riding a long time had my share of spills and close calls.Lost of few mates and now family along the line as well.I agree bike horse power should be limited for newer riders but its not.Only riding and maybe a bit of age can teach ppl to not take it to the limit all the time.I reckon there not alot of point in trying to blame ppl either ( the bloody cagers ) as i am one of those too.I would like to think i am pretty aware of bikes on the road but have come close to not seeing bikes now and then.fucked if i know whaat im trying to say here
Just be careful out there binning hurts dieing hurts the ones you love

[SPman]

Bad times over here in Perth, as well - 3 bikers killed since Wednesday. We knew one - a funny enthusiastic guy who had a 17 yr old pull out of a stop sign straight in front of him! One was killed when a car lost control and hit him and the third hit a patch of loose gravel in a corner in the hills and went into the trees...
Take care people.

[Dafe]

I don't know whether I knew the guy? I often only know the Welly riders by their KB name. Doe's somebody know Andre's Kiwibiker name???
PM me please.

RIP Dude.

[Scorpygirl]

RIP to all three bikers. This is tragic news indeed. Condolences to all family and friends during this sad time. :weep:

[diddie17]

I hope the fucking cager who did the u-turn in front of the biker who died in Palmerston North is up on some serious carges.

Had a van do the same thing on me in the middle of newmarket when I was on my first GB.

Had a F'in police car do it to me over the weekend. Definately change of underwear time.

To make matters worse I'd been following him 20 or so metres back for 2 to 3K No excuse for not knowing I was there.

[Genestho]

Firstly my condolences to the three killed this weekend.

I am blown away by the weekends deaths (and the ones the weekend before!) By the way does anyone know who the Motorcyclist/s were that got mown down by a dickhead drunkdriver? By whangarei? Last Sunday?

Last I knew "motorcyclist/s were in stable condition" Driver died.
(Scuse me but Im furious!)

Dont mess with Motorcycles if your a drunken idiot, theyll get ya on your way to hell!!!:angry2:

I am SHIT scared of what the Xmas road tolls and the Xmas deaths pissed idiots are going to bring!
I have alot of travelling to do, will my kids, or anyone left that I love get mown down too!!!? Our population is too small for this ongoing carnage!!!!

Killers on our Roads

"Will you kill someone YOU love? Will you put your children at risk too? Who will look after your family if you die?"

Will you kill someone I Love?

[chanceyy]

gawd that is extremely depressing

condolence to all the family friends who have lost love ones over the weekend ..

[MarkyMark]

Notice the subtle slant put on Andre Jacobs' death?

His '1000cc' motorcycle 'ploughed' into an oncoming car.

I didn't see any of the (far more reprehensible) drink-driving deaths using such obvious "temporary citizen" wording.

It would seem that you can drink up, go out in a car, kill innocent third parties and then get written about in nice, neutral tones, but if something goes wrong on a bike and the rider dies, the reporting is invariably painted in emotive shades of self-righteous priggery.

The article described 5 crashes, 4 cage and 1 bike. Two of the cage crashes used language just as emotive as the bike crash

"a car carrying five people aged 17 to 24 careered off Mt Aspiring Rd..."

"his car, travelling at speed, smashed through a fence and tumbled 70 metres..."

An anti-bike bias there may be, but I don't think this article shows it.

Also, why is it that they can't/don't say who was at fault in the head-on collision? They don't normally seem so worried about accuracy that they hold back till it's certain

[McDuck]

It is a hard one. Nasty for the family of the person in the wrong to have the public finger pointing but ti is still needed. Maby just a quiet note in the artical that 'the sough bound car has crossed the center line dew to:'


If it is drunk then the driver deserves all they get. (if they survive) If they dont then the family dont deserve it.

[Genestho]

ok
Please excuse my emotion laden post last night, was so furious reading all these other drink driving accidents it spilled over...my apologies.

Its not always about how I feel, sometimes I cant see the sky for the clouds.

My apologies to these three families, its not fair, and my thoughts are with you

[RantyDave]

Please excuse my emotion laden post last night
You lost someone to a drink driver, I reckon it's your right to be pissed off.

Dave

[Conquiztador]

ok
Please excuse my emotion laden post last night, was so furious reading all these other drink driving accidents it spilled over...my apologies.

Its not always about how I feel, sometimes I cant see the sky for the clouds.

My apologies to these three families, its not fair, and my thoughts are with you

Your nic says it all. What astonishes me is that the message is not getting to where it is needed most.

[Genestho]

What can I say...your right the message doesnt sink in and its not getting to the top....Ive got a big job on.
The "night" is young with what Im doing, but somebodies got to do it, and show others affected in similar situations that its possible to not be a victim, get the power back and do so with pride and dignity.

The things that may be on my side, is that Im working class, Im real, Im not an angel and I dont pretend to be, Im not stupid and I wont be following the same paths as others before me.

At the end of the day, at least I know from stories sent to me that Ive already succeeded in reaching some people, some are unreachable - and theyre everywhere.


Maybe if I can provoke thought for more than a 30 second advert provokes and ask the tough questions.

Promoting *555, since the cops/acc and government arent keen, yet its a service thats supposed to be provided for Road Users Safety(oops):whistle:.

Saying the wrong things at the right times :whistle:, then I know Im doing the right thing - no trial to biase as Universal Justice is served - the killer of my husband and his mates is dead too, and seizing that little window of opportunity that not many in this situation have.

Thankfully I do have a huge amount of support (more than Id ever thought)with what Im doing and what Ive created, so I know Im on the right track.
And I know Im doing the right thing by Leon, Si and Toni, and our families and friends devastated by this.

[BuRnS]

To answer everones comments etc etc... Andre Jacobs, KB name "BuRnS" is the 18 year old who died in Wellington on Saturday 24th after an """oncoming car crossed the centreline""" on a corner and hit Andre. He later died in hospital. Andre was riding his Firestorm he bought eight days befor. the police are charging the other driver. RIP brother
Andre had been riding for over 3years and been to 3 trackdays, he had his full liscense and was doing everything right.

So how did this get so twisted and fucked up...
An 18Yr old riding a 1000cc bike bloughed into a car...
When the "police are charging the other driver"

[McDuck]

As sad as it is it is a stereotype. We are a victim of motorcyclings past of being crazy people who take big risks, and with how todays media works they never want ot know about the good things bikes want to do. CC campaign, the only time the toy run gets on the news is when 4 riders get killed by somebody on the wrong side of the road. Am i fucked off? Yes. Enough to make me want to move over seas. Not just this but the hole bloody government. The way they sitting around bitching about who recommended who for a job when basic things are being forgotten, road safety for one. At least in America people will not do somthing because you can sew them till they bleed, but here people just do not care because it takes morals to do the right thing.