Crash data

[WelshWizard]

http://www.rideforever.co.nz/community/crash_data.html
http://www.rideforever.co.nz/community/research.html
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Did you know that 73% of all motorcycle crashes involve another vehicle?

And of these, 49% were the fault of the other driver?1 That means in at least 51% of crashes, riders can take actions to minimise impact, or avoid it altogether. You can reduce your own chances of coming off your bike by always anticipating you won't be seen, being prepared to take evasive action at any time and increasing visibility.

A study into fatal crashes found that, in addition to collisions at intersections, the two most common circumstances for crashes were head-on collisions and cornering.2 It also found that nearly a quarter of fatal crashes occurred while riding in groups of two or more.

Another study found that cornering accounted for 41% of all single-vehicle injuries, with road conditions playing a significant part in many of these crashes.3 Again, you can roll the odds in your favour by anticipating unseen hazards and looking for important clues. Be ready and able to take safe, evasive action. If you're riding in a group, don't be tempted to ride beyond your skill and comfort level just to keep up with others.

Maybe 51% of car drivers should learn to drive and look out for motorcycles instead of the normal "But I didn't see him" statement

[dmouse]

its simple it comes down to training and commen sense as i have said in other threads when i got my bike licence in the uk i had to take part in a course abd part of that was loice trained, you cannot think of yourself on the road you HAVE to think for other road users and antipate every move, try and think what the car driver will do at least four cars in front and behind once you think you have masterd this expand it to six cars, and take notice of what is happeing at both sides of you at all times, cage drivers dont think for you, you have to do this yourself.

allways be prepard and aware its your life they dont give a damm most will never even see you, dont expect them to check there mirriors because they wont its like truck drivers syndrone there is nothing bigger on the road so nothing will get in my way, if dont matter about anything smaller than me.

and that smaller thing on the road is YOU

[James Deuce]

It's amazing how self serving stats can be made to look. I would say those stats are at the "be kind to bikers" end of the scale.

If everyone concentrated on their own riding the world would be a much safer place.

It isn't everyone else's fault, whatever you want to believe.

[Usarka]

The way I read it is that bikers are responsible for over half bike related accidents.

Of the 49% that were drivers fault, I'm sure a number of those would have been avoidable.

Like the rider who went through a roundabout this morning without looking left, assuming the cars had seen him and were stopping.

[kevie]

Yeh when I got my licence the traffic officer that was my driving instructor said a couple things I always remembered

1/ Make safe driving a habit (make a point of always doing the right and safe things and they will become automatic)

2/ Always expect the other road users to do something stupid (most road users anticipate the other vehicle will do 'the right thing' I always anticipate they will do something dumb and unexpected"

ride and drive like that and you will be safer on the roads.

[unhingedlizard]

http://www.rideforever.co.nz/community/crash_data.html
http://www.rideforever.co.nz/community/research.html
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A study into fatal crashes found that, in addition to collisions at intersections, [B]the two most common circumstances for crashes were head-on collisions and cornering.2 It also found that nearly a quarter of fatal crashes occurred while riding in groups of two or more.

Maybe 51% of car drivers should learn to drive and look out for motorcycles instead of the normal "But I didn't see him" statement


As opposed to the fatal accidents that happen while in the garage or stopped at the lights? Or driving down a straight road?

Otherwise quite informative.

[vifferman]

I'm sure that some of the accidents that aren't officially the fault of the motorcyclist could still have been prevented had the motorcyclist done something differently. I've had five 'incidents' where I was not at fault (from a legal/insurance viewpoint), yet in ALL of them there were things I could've done to prevent or minimise them, including:

Being more alert and/or cautious
Having practiced emergency braking
Paying more attention to that little voice inside my head (no - not that one, the other one)
Travelling a bit more slowlyEven starting my trip a few seconds earlier/later would've made a difference. Maybe I should do that all the time - leave before or after when I actually do.:wacko:

[Katman]

Those stats actually tell us that only 37% of motorcycle accidents are caused by the other driver. (49% of 73%). Shoots down in flames the theory that most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers, doesn't it?

[dmouse]

use your mobile report stupid stunts and cage drivers but get there reg pull over and phone the law and tell them that you will follow until the police arrive and that you will use your mobile to keep them informed when safe to do so unless your have an ear piece with a mic you can use safley while staying in control of your bike, get the bad drivers pinged and if its a biker doin wheelies ping him too coz one day he will take someone out with his stupidity and it could be a kid that you or your family knows, i couldnt live with that on my consience could you ?

[Swoop]

2/ Always expect the other road users to do something stupid (most road users anticipate the other vehicle will do 'the right thing' I always anticipate they will do something dumb and unexpected"
Courier drivers fall into this category, at the moment!
Is there something in the air (apart from x-mas) that makes them even more stupid-er?:wacko:

[Maha]

Did you know that 73% of all motorcycle crashes involve another vehicle?

And that other vehicle could just as well be another bike.

[WelshWizard]

Quote from the site.


Analysis of fatal motorcycle accidents2

This research looks at factors involved in fatal motorcycle crashes from 1994 to 1999. The fatalities are compared with car driver fatalities. Key findings include:

* The most common circumstances for fatal motorcycle crashes were intersection collisions, head-on collisions and cornering.
* Riders were less likely than car drivers to be at fault in intersection crashes.
* Riders were more at risk of a fatal crash than car drivers in urban areas.
* Nearly a quarter of fatal crashes occurred while riding in groups of two or more. Most of the crashes were head-on collisions, more likely to involve overtaking and being on the wrong side of the road at excessive speeds.
* Those killed were more likely to be learner and inexperienced riders.

[GSVR]

It's amazing how self serving stats can be made to look. I would say those stats are at the "be kind to bikers" end of the scale.

If everyone concentrated on their own riding the world would be a much safer place.

It isn't everyone else's fault, whatever you want to believe.


Stats mean nothing to me as I'm not your average road user. My personal stats are much better and would possibly be perfect if I left the bike in the shed. My figures are better because I can't afford to have a accident.

[GSVR]

Analysis of fatal motorcycle accidents2

* Nearly a quarter of fatal crashes occurred while riding in groups of two or more. Most of the crashes were head-on collisions, more likely to involve overtaking and being on the wrong side of the road at excessive speeds.


So its saying that riding alone you are 3/4 more likely to have a fatal crash?

What percentage of riders ride alone compared to groups? Meaningless figures sorry.

[mitchilin]

I've never claimed insurance but claimed ACC back in the 1980's for some of my off's.Never was another road user involved except for a mate that ran up the back of me.I was always alone with a corner and a wet road and managed to get home.I didn't ring any cunt up to report it.My point is that while these stats are put out there and we analyse them till the cows come home unless you,as an individual learn from it they are meaningless to most of us.One of the most alarming stats ,for me is the increasing age of dead bikers.When I was young and dangerous stats "said" live to 30 and Im home safe.Now Im older I'm again in that danger age of more likely to die in a m/c accident.You could say that statistically speaking ,the more time you spend on the road the more likely you will be involved in an accident,so therefore the faster you go ,the less time spent on the road,the safer you are.

[James Deuce]

Quote from the site.


Analysis of fatal motorcycle accidents2

This research looks at factors involved in fatal motorcycle crashes from 1994 to 1999. The fatalities are compared with car driver fatalities. Key findings include:

* The most common circumstances for fatal motorcycle crashes were intersection collisions, head-on collisions and cornering.
* Riders were less likely than car drivers to be at fault in intersection crashes.
* Riders were more at risk of a fatal crash than car drivers in urban areas.
* Nearly a quarter of fatal crashes occurred while riding in groups of two or more. Most of the crashes were head-on collisions, more likely to involve overtaking and being on the wrong side of the road at excessive speeds.
* Those killed were more likely to be learner and inexperienced riders.

Who paid for the research? A biker lobby group? An insurance company? A university with a department dedicated to road accident research being sponsored by an oil company?

[mitchilin]

It wasn't the tyre companies or the suspension companies or.....

[WelshWizard]

Who paid for the research? A biker lobby group? An insurance company? A university with a department dedicated to road accident research being sponsored by an oil company?
All I could find was this little note on there site
""1) Land Transport New Zealand data sourced from traffic crash reports.

2) Bailey, J. & M. (2001), Analysis of Fatal Motorcycle Accidents using the In-depth Fatal Accident Database, Prepared for ACC.

3) Young, J. & Fink-Jenson, K. (2001), Motorcycle Crashes Taxanomic Analysis, Prepared for ACC by BRC Marketing and Social Research, Wellington.""

not the brightest of souces<_<

[James Deuce]

No, not bright at all.

They have a vested interest in getting us off they road.

[WelshWizard]

No, not bright at all.

They have a vested interest in getting us off they road.

To true after all one of them is contrabuting to the death tole by putting up them dam wire barriers and incorrectly constructed metal ones instead of using concrete which last longer than 20 years has far less maintenance needs, and therefore save endangering workers who have to repair the darn things after they have just killed a rider or car driver:angry2: