Engine oil help?

[HornetBoy]

Now as most of the manawatu guys and gals will know ive got a new bike recently ,and now its time to change the oil and im curious as to what type of oil i would use eg synthetic, mineral,semi etc it might be a learner question but hey :whocares: ,

Now i know all about oil etc and what viscosity i need to use for my bike, but i dont know what benefit i would gain if i used semi synthetic or fully synthetic ...

Thanks in advance for ya help..:yes:

[Mom]

Just make a choice and stick with it, dont combine the 2. They both have merits. I am a mineral oil gal, call me oldfashioned <_<

[HornetBoy]

Just make a choice and stick with it, dont combine the 2. They both have merits. I am a mineral oil gal, call me oldfashioned <_<

ok so i don't have to prepare the bike or anything aye as in slowly top up the the mineral oil with synthetic oil until its completely synthetic oil in there ...

[Mom]

ok so i don't have to prepare the bike or anything aye as in slowly top up the the mineral oil with synthetic oil until its completely synthetic oil in there ...

You take the piss Sir. Read my post carefully.

"dont combine the 2"


But then I am mere female of negligable experience :Pokey:

[HornetBoy]

You take the piss Sir. Read my post carefully.

"dont combine the 2"


But then I am mere female of negligable experience :Pokey:

Woops :bash: yes u did say that im just getting advice saying to slowly combine until its only synthetic left but yea arggg.. might have to consult mr google search :shutup:

[Mom]

Woops :bash: yes u did say that im just getting advice saying to slowly combine until its only synthetic left but yea arggg.. might have to consult mr google search :shutup:

There are many on here able to give you advice on the best way of changing from mineral to synthetic oils (have you done a site search?) Unless technology has changed, in my experience combining mineral and vegetable oils will result in some sort of jelly mess that does not work so well as a lubricant.

You need to drain the existing oil out of a warm engine, replace the filter, then the oil. But you were asking the merits of mineral, versus synthetic oils. Wait to hear what others have to say.

[HornetBoy]

There are many on here able to give you advice on the best way of changing from mineral to synthetic oils (have you done a site search?) Unless technology has changed, in my experience combining mineral and vegetable oils will result in some sort of jelly mess that does not work so well as a lubricant.

You need to drain the existing oil out of a warm engine, replace the filter, then the oil. But you were asking the merits of mineral, versus synthetic oils. Wait to hear what others have to say.

yea ok,yea id say your right ,appreciate the help "mom" :dodge:

[xwhatsit]

Well first of all you have to drain the old oil out :lol: I would've thought a modern bike like the Hornet would be using synthetic? Go to a bike shop and just ask their advice, they might even have the proper Honda book with the official factory recommendation. GiJoe1313 might be along shortly to tell you what he uses.

[HornetBoy]

Well first of all you have to drain the old oil out :lol: I would've thought a modern bike like the Hornet would be using synthetic? Go to a bike shop and just ask their advice, they might even have the proper Honda book with the official factory recommendation. GiJoe1313 might be along shortly to tell you what he uses.

Aha common problem with my KB name i actually have a full licence and ride a katana now so im actually asking about oil to be used in that ..:laugh: shouldnt have put my engine rateing as my nickname <_<

[Pwalo]

I suggest you log on to the katriders site. It's got everything you need to know about the GSXFs (it's American though so they can talk bollocks).

My advice would be to run a semi synthetic, and down load a manual for your bike to help with the oil changes. Dead simple when you've done it a couple of times.

[The Stranger]

A little tip - If you look along the the menu bar near the top of your screen, toward the RHS, you will see something that says Search.

If you click on this you can enter various search terms and find out if this topic has been covered before.

[xwhatsit]

Aha common problem with my KB name i actually have a full licence and ride a katana now so im actually asking about oil to be used in that ..:laugh: shouldnt have put my engine rateing as my nickname <_<

Lol! :pinch: Sorry :laugh: Still stand by the bike-shop comment. Buying oil from them the first time will be more expensive, but you get the advice to go with it -- then next time get the same oil cheap from somewhere else ^_^

[vifferman]

Unless technology has changed, in my experience combining mineral and vegetable oils will result in some sort of jelly mess that does not work so well as a lubricant.
That's worngA.

Synthetic and mineral oils are in fact compatible, which is why there are "semi-synthetic" oils like Motul 5100, which is mineral oil 'fortified' with synthetic esters. Although given some of the weird colours oils are now, you may end up with a strange brew that clashes with your paintwork or the colour of your leathers.

The short answer is, you can stick any engine oil you want in your bike, as long as it's in the recommmmmended viscosity range for your bike. Just buy one of the reputable brands (Motul, Mobil, Motorex, Shell, Spectro, Elf, Dinospooge, Wombat, etc.)
I usually just choose by colour, smell and the extravagant claims made on the pack.

[HornetBoy]

That's worngA.

Synthetic and mineral oils are in fact compatible, which is why there are "semi-synthetic" oils like Motul 5100, which is mineral oil 'fortified' with synthetic esters. Although given some of the weird colours oils are now, you may end up with a strange brew that clashes with your paintwork or the colour of your leathers.

The short answer is, you can stick any engine oil you want in your bike, as long as it's in the recommmmmended viscosity range for your bike. Just buy one of the reputable brands (Motul, Mobil, Motorex, Shell, Spectro, Elf, Dinospooge, Wombat, etc.)
I usually just choose by colour, smell and the extravagant claims made on the pack.

Yea ok thought so just thought id get some info from some kiwi's not these crazy americans on the katana website :shutup: im using Q8 semi synthetic at the moment so yea which is from the local suzuki outlet :headbang:

[Ocean1]

That's worngA.

Synthetic and mineral oils are in fact compatible,

They are in fact the same thing. Synthetics have just been further refined to remove more of the unwanted bits and add different bits. They generally don't perform much better but they last longer in hot applications.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html

One of the better explanations I've seen.

[HornetBoy]

A little tip - If you look along the the menu bar near the top of your screen, toward the RHS, you will see something that says Search.

If you click on this you can enter various search terms and find out if this topic has been covered before.

riiite very helpful ...<_< hmmm i thought search was for signing in ...

[Pwalo]

Yea ok thought so just thought id get some info from some kiwi's not these crazy americans on the katana website :shutup: im using Q8 semi synthetic at the moment so yea which is from the local suzuki outlet :headbang:

I'm using Q8 semi. Works well in the SV.

[HornetBoy]

I'm using Q8 semi. Works well in the SV.

nice good to hear ,when the suzuki dealer gave it to me id never heard of the brand so was a bit weary of it ,in your opinion would it be worth going up to fully synthetic or not ?

[HornetBoy]

They are in fact the same thing. Synthetics have just been further refined to remove more of the unwanted bits and add different bits. They generally don't perform much better but they last longer in hot applications.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html

One of the better explanations I've seen.

thanks for that mate contains all that i wanted to know and more .cheers

[The Stranger]

hmmm i thought search was for signing in ...

Damn, you really are thick.

[xwhatsit]

The short answer is, you can stick any engine oil you want in your bike, as long as it's in the recommmmmended viscosity range for your bike.

I heard a cheeky rumour that older bikes have rubber seals and bits inside the engine that don't like synthetic oils. Could be complete horseshit though, but sounds plausible. Old bikes and mineral oil just seem to be related somehow.

'Course that's off-topic, as the Teapot is quite a modern motorsickle.

[Pwalo]

nice good to hear ,when the suzuki dealer gave it to me id never heard of the brand so was a bit weary of it ,in your opinion would it be worth going up to fully synthetic or not ?

IMHO no. I think it's far more important to do regular oil & filter changes. Best thing you can do for your bike.

[HornetBoy]

Damn, you really are thick.

Why did u even bother talking mate...?

[The Stranger]

Why did u even bother talking mate...?

Got to admit, sometimes I ask myself the same question, then I remember that some people are just slow learners and need a lot of patience and encouragement to learn how to use a web site.

Stay with it, you'll get the hang of it in the end.

[HornetBoy]

Got to admit, sometimes I ask myself the same question, then I remember that some people are just slow learners and need a lot of patience and encouragement to learn how to use a web site.

Stay with it, you'll get the hang of it in the end.

Yes, and as normal in a community there are the usual people who like to shitstir aye,and im guessing your one of them ...so ill put ya right ,this thread was made for advice on engine oil not for help about the website

[The Stranger]

Yes, and as normal in a community there are the usual people who like to shitstir aye :nono:

Wot? Me? :innocent:

[HornetBoy]

Wot? Me? :innocent:

ahwell ,did ya have any advice on the topic ?:niceone:

[Dak]

How many km's on the bike? Don't go to a fully synthetic untill it's well and truely run-in. Myself, unless it's a high revving thing, I wouldn't bother use full synth, I use semi-synth in my bike, Castrol GPS.

Cheers, Jeff.

[HornetBoy]

How many km's on the bike? Don't go to a fully synthetic untill it's well and truely run-in. Myself, unless it's a high revving thing, I wouldn't bother use full synth, I use semi-synth in my bike, Castrol GPS.

Cheers, Jeff.

Yea The katana has done 20,000km and is a 2004 ,And as far as i know its only been run on mineral oil :mad: so yea ive brought some Q8 semi synthetic and put that in WOW what a difference in the smoothness of using the clutch :2thumbsup

Havent seen you around on your cb do you ride through central wanganui much ? bloody nice colour by the way :drool:

[Pixie]

Just make a choice and stick with it, dont combine the 2. They both have merits. I am a mineral oil gal, call me oldfashioned <_<

This advice only applies to the case where one might change from a mineral oil to a specific type of synthetic oil in a older engine that has run mineral oil for a long time.

Synthetic oils that are PAO based can cause deposits that have accumulated in an engine run on mineral oil for a long time,to loosen and potentially block oil passages.

PAO based synthetics are increasingly uncommon.

Switching between synthetic and mineral oils,or even mixing the two in a new engine will not cause any problems at all.It will keep the internals nice and clean.

[nodrog]

ahwell ,did ya have any advice on the topic ?:niceone:

beware of "the stranger", he knows quite a bit about lubrication.

[Pixie]

There are many on here able to give you advice on the best way of changing from mineral to synthetic oils (have you done a site search?) Unless technology has changed, in my experience combining mineral and vegetable oils will result in some sort of jelly mess that does not work so well as a lubricant.

You need to drain the existing oil out of a warm engine, replace the filter, then the oil. But you were asking the merits of mineral, versus synthetic oils. Wait to hear what others have to say.

Vegetable oils are a different story.
Who runs vegetable oils in a road bike anyway?

[The Stranger]

beware of "the stranger", he knows quite a bit about lubrication.

Well, I must be doing something right, haven't heard you complain yet - lots of moaning though.

[nodrog]

Well, I must be doing something right, haven't heard you complain yet - lots of moaning though.

dude that was the cat!! and please note 15/50 is probably to light, everytime the cat farts now it stains the carpet.

[HornetBoy]

dude that was the cat!! and please note 15/50 is probably to light, everytime the cat farts now it stains the carpet.

Now thats just nasty

[Dak]

Havent seen you around on your cb do you ride through central wanganui much ? bloody nice colour by the way

Don't ride it much, it's my fun form of transport, not my daily ride. 3000km in just over a year :-(

Cheers, Jeff.

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[The Stranger]

dude that was the cat!! and please note 15/50 is probably to light, everytime the cat farts now it stains the carpet.

That was no pussy, if it was pussy, i'd have eaten it.

[Dak]

That was no pussy, if it was pussy, i'd have eaten it.

You'll get furballs :-)