Bike gangs: ever ridden with them?

[saltydog]

I had this occassion to come up on the back of the mob one time. I was on my old FJ coming out of Welly and there was about 30 of them, Harleys, Nortons, and trumpys and fanging it. The leader? (with attached 50kg model hanging off the sissy bar) would overtake (whenever there was a gap, any gap) and the whole pack would follow, regardless of traffic, yellow lines, cops, whatever. Now dont get me wrong, the noise of all these bikes opening up was awesume, the pack mentatility was excelerating... and hell did the oncoming cars get out of the way, but fuck that..... I stuck with them, hanging off the back, trying not to get to 'forward' into the tail enders during overtaking, it was a laugh. Not one time did they acknowledge my presence, not a nod, glance whatever, just a a stoney stare straight ahead. Must have been good smoke. they turned off just after Shannon and I flew on through.
It was short but very memorable experience.
Who else has has the occassion? :2guns:

[Scouse]

Yep I did the H/A poker run on Saturday was a great day about 300 bikes, the run was restricted to British European and american Motorcycles, and was mainly Harleys we even had the police stopping the traffic at major intersections so that we could all proceed together.

[jrandom]

What patch were they wearing?

[MidnightMike]

On the way to the coro loop I organised last Saturday, me and another guy was overtaken by about 20 filthy few members.

Bikes sounded cool, guys rode like dicks, thats it really.

[saltydog]

Yep I did the H/A poker run on Saturday was a great day about 300 bikes, the run was restricted to British European and american Motorcycles, and was mainly Harleys we even had the police stopping the traffic at major intersections so that we could all proceed together.

I was meaning just the boys, all patched up.......Not some cop controlled organsied ride (although it would have also been fun-ish, kinda).

[saltydog]

Bikes sounded cool, guys rode like dicks, thats it really.

yeah thats what I'm angling at, these guys are.......for want of a better word(s) a tad 'loose' :crazy:

[Renegade]

On the way to the coro loop I organised last Saturday, me and another guy was overtaken by about 20 filthy few members.

Bikes sounded cool, guys rode like dicks, thats it really.

i heard a FF member died and they all headin your way to put the prick in a hole

[HornetBoy]

There was ,a while back a bike gang of hells angels bikers on hayleys and general "hogs" who were flying from palmy to wanganui ,as id just finished work i was heading back to wanganui so i thought id play the catch up game ,caught up ....just and at a set of light went up to the front ,was waveing but they didnt even turn there heads to look at me just yea as ya said stone frontward gaze lol weird huh ? :wacko: mind you i was almost defined by the pure roar of those v-twins so maybe they were deafind to and didnt even notice me ...

[BarBender]

i heard a FF member died and they all headin your way to put the prick in a hole

Knew him did you?

[Conquiztador]

Not sure what you are looking for? Either you have been part of this life style or you have not.

If you have been there you know what it is about and no explanation is needed. If you have never been there you should not really comment as you will never understand.

A sub culture with own rules. Most do their own thing and have no interest in anything else.

But there is a camradery that you will find nowhere else. Once you are accepted you are in. And you can trust each and everyone to back you.

The "no nodding or waving". Why should they? Just because you ride a 2 wheeler?

And the respect others on the road show. Jelous?

[Hitcher]

Mrs H and I rode with a patched biker gang once. We were two-up on her Marauder, and merged with a biker gang at the Pauatahanui roundabout. We were heading out of the village towards Upper Hutt, and the bikers were coming over the bridge from Porirua. Needless to say they made every possible effort to shun our presence...

[saltydog]

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The "no nodding or waving". Why should they? Just because you ride a 2 wheeler?

And the respect others on the road show. Jelous?

Sounds like you can't make up your mind either. Infact your musings appear to indicate you are part of the "sub-culture" or are infact, jealous?

It doesnt negate the fact they ride with no respect for other road users and get into too much mischief. My opinion.
I could go on...... what other respectful things are they invloved with?
I've also given up acknowledging HOG riders on the road, they are just too cool.

[jrandom]

A sub culture with own rules.

A bunch of worthless criminal scum, you mean.

Show me the grave of one, and I'll happily piss on it.

[HornetBoy]

It doesnt negate the fact they ride with no respect for other road users and get into too much mischief.

agreed ,and just because they are in their own "gang " does not mean they have to shun other two wheels blantantly

[sunhuntin]

my first partner, and man i would have married had he asked, is a member of a canadian club that has been around since the 70s. their number less than 100 and only exist in ontario.

i met him at their anniversary party in 04. they are a fringe angels club, and at the time, the angels were attempting to force a patch over. it is only the small number of IRB around that keeps them from being wiped out like other clubs in the area.
because of the relationship, angels and redliners were at the IRB rally. drugs were being taken freely, but i was never offered any or had any forced on me. i knew then and still know that if i had got trolleyed and fallen down topless, i would have been shoved in a tent and left to it.

i lived with glenn for 6 months, and spent a large amount of that time with his brothers and their old ladies i loved those people and for the first time felt like i had a family and was accepted for myself. i didnt have to pretend around them. i even got on with the ladies, which is almost unheard of... i tend to dislike many females and dont get on with them easily.

i miss the guys, and would love to go back to them.

edit: and as for riding with the local gangs? no, i wouldnt. i dont wear their colors, so why should i make myself look the fool by hanging off the tail end? i will ride amongst them for the time it takes them to overtake, but i will not push to keep up so maybe other road users will think i was one of them, or that one of the patched guys will think im cooler than i really am. whats the point? why push your way into their group ride? would you cut into a funeral procession, or a wedding fleet or an xmas parade?
they [I]dont have to wave... not every one on two wheels does. ive had tons of non patched riders refuse to wave back. no big deal... not like the world will explode or anything.

im a rider in my own right.

[Maha]

.......Not some cop controlled organsied ride (although it would have also been fun-ish, kinda).

Back in the 70's the gangs had police escorts on the roads (not all but it did happen)...just to kep them moving i guess. Even remember seeing a pillion slapper on the back holding a crate of piss....think it was between Danniverk and Napier.

[Bonez]

A bunch of worthless criminal scum, you mean.

Show me the grave of one, and I'll happily piss on it.Pop around to work and I'll introduce you to a few live ones.

[Bonez]

agreed ,and just because they are in their own "gang " does not mean they have to shun other two wheels blantantlyThe correct term is "club". "Gang" is the term used by those that don't know any better.

[HornetBoy]

The correct term is "club". "Gang" is the term used by those that don't know any better.

not that id "piss on their grave" either.Well many a members of the established hells angels here have called them selves a gang ..so thats why i refer to them as that.

[saltydog]

I can just see it..."Mongrel Mob Club" or
"Black Power Club", or the "Mickey Mouse Club"
Of course they're gangs.

[sunhuntin]

HAMC... the c stands for club. they are called a club by sonny barger, one of their founders from oakland. hells angels are a club. mongrel mob/black power are a gang. i dunno what filthy few, road knights etc call themselves.

[HornetBoy]

HAMC... the c stands for club. they are called a club by sonny barger, one of their founders from oakland. hells angels are a club. mongrel mob/black power are a gang. i dunno what filthy few, road knights etc call themselves.

If thats thecase what makes hells angels different from black power etc other than bikes ?

[Conquiztador]

Sounds like you can't make up your mind either. Infact your musings appear to indicate you are part of the "sub-culture" or are infact, jealous?

It doesnt negate the fact they ride with no respect for other road users and get into too much mischief. My opinion.
I could go on...... what other respectful things are they invloved with?
I've also given up acknowledging HOG riders on the road, they are just too cool.

Where I are or have been is not the issue here. And no. There is no reason for me to be jealous.

There is a reason they are called 1%'s.

"Mischief". That's something my 6 year old one does..lol

"Other respectful thing" ? What was the first one?

HOG. Sadly same all around the world.

I like HM and others like techno. I can not stand the sheit. Same same different.

[oldrider]

I am a gang of one (less overheads, streamlined organisation) sometimes two when Mrs O/r is with me! :niceone:

Don't need Police escorts, I usually know where I am going. :Police:

Everyone else is/are just other road users. Not intimidated by them. (Well, not yet) :oi-grr: John.

[Subike]

Higway 61 Motorcycle Club
Epitaph riders Motorcycle Club
Devils Henchmen motorcycle Club
Kiwi Bikers ( notice, not a club )
Artic Angels Motorcycle Club
Magog Motorcycle Club
Filthy Few Motorcycle Club
Road Knights Motorcycle Club

The biggest Gang in New Zealand?
They gather inside fortified club rooms, and wear side patches
Carry weapons, are speed freaks, alway steal peoples drugs, dogs and women
And Blue is their favorite colour!

As said by a previous posters, the comradeship, trust and family like togeatherness found inside these groups is probably stronger than any other group of people. Their lives depend upon each other in many cases.
I am not saying I agree with their Charters, Ideals or motives.
But they are the worst people to get on the wrong side of, but the best to have on your side.

As for being ignored by them , well hello, when your ego is as big as theirs, everybody else is just crap

[Tank]

Not sure what you are looking for? Either you have been part of this life style or you have not.

If you have been there you know what it is about and no explanation is needed. If you have never been there you should not really comment as you will never understand.

A sub culture with own rules. Most do their own thing and have no interest in anything else.

But there is a camradery that you will find nowhere else. Once you are accepted you are in. And you can trust each and everyone to back you.

The "no nodding or waving". Why should they? Just because you ride a 2 wheeler?

And the respect others on the road show. Jelous?

there is a camradery that you will find nowhere else - just look at a pack of dogs running around the streets - same comradery.

The others on the road arnt showing respect - its fear because the pricks are likely to cause them grief and they would rather get out of harms way.

Again - its only because they are in the pack - by themselves most of them are gutless pathetic pussies. Fuck - I boxed for years and had to fight a number of gang guys and beat most of them (most of them - but not all) - and Im a ginga computer nerd.

[Bonez]

HAMC... the c stands for club. they are called a club by sonny barger, one of their founders from oakland. hells angels are a club. mongrel mob/black power are a gang. i dunno what filthy few, road knights etc call themselves.

http://www.roadknightsmc.com/history.html


http://taurangamotorcycleshow.co.nz/bikeshow.htm

[Tank]

oops - should note that one that did beat me - absoultley beat me to shit - wanst even close. broke my nose cheekbone and my hand on the one time I actually hit the bastard. then he knocked me out

[HornetBoy]

Its funny because ive never seen a gang or club for that matter consisting of inline fours or Japanese bikes only harleys and triumphs <_< why is this ?

[Conquiztador]

A bunch of worthless criminal scum, you mean.

Show me the grave of one, and I'll happily piss on it.

I would not recommend that as a pass time. Better just keep on doing wheelies.

[saltydog]

Where I are or have been is not the issue here. And no. There is no reason for me to be jealous.

There is a reason they are called 1%'s.

"Mischief". That's something my 6 year old one does..lol

"Other respectful thing" ? What was the first one?

HOG. Sadly same all around the world.

I like HM and others like techno. I can not stand the sheit. Same same different.

Witty, witty, I bet your missus doesnt stand a shit-show when it comes down to retorical banter in the kitchen. :hug:
Whats the 1%'er thing?
You wait until your 6 year old is...... 13....lol
Other respectful things? hell no, you missed the point, there is no other.
We agree that HOG is synomous around the world
And HM is? hard Music?

[HornetBoy]

I would not recommend that as a pass time. Better just keep on doing wheelies.

Wonder if he'd do that to a living on :laugh: dont think so

[Tank]

Its funny because ive never seen a gang or club for that matter consisting of inline fours or Japanese bikes only harleys and triumphs <_< why is this ?

But Hyosongs are all good right?

[HornetBoy]

But Hyosongs are all good right?

they are Korean, but in that case vtr250' and spadas are alright a :headbang:

[saltydog]

As for being ignored by them , well hello, when your ego is as big as theirs, everybody else is just crap

na, my ego is not that restrictive. I just thought at the time they were either too stoned to notice me or were all just too busy embedding the carrot a bit deeper inside their rectums'.

[HornetBoy]

na, my ego is not that restrictive. I just thought at the time they were either too stoned to notice me or were all just too busy embedding the carrot a bit deeper inside their rectum.

That comment is going to get some people going,althought i 2 thought that in my case aswell (the stoned part) :laugh:

[Tank]

That comment is going to get some people going :laugh:

The vegetarians?

[Joni]

I have aksed this question before a while back, but no one answered me...

In this country is a "patched " person considered a "gang" member?

[HornetBoy]

I have aksed this question before a while back, but no one answered me...

In this country is a "patched " person considered a "gang" member?

Depends i mean if you have a patch for Honda ... i wouldn't think so but if its "bloodz ,cryptz,hells angels" in my opinion i would say yes :cool:

[saltydog]

yeah, but who really gives a toss. Its mindless drivel anyway. But I suppose I should apologise to all pot smokers and the guys that like carrots up their arses.
better? :banana:

[Conquiztador]

Its funny because ive never seen a gang or club for that matter consisting of inline fours or Japanese bikes only harleys and triumphs <_< why is this ?

Watch Stone and enjoy Grave Diggers ;)

[HornetBoy]

Watch Stone and enjoy Grave Diggers ;)

:gob: hmm not sure i quite get that one ...

[Conquiztador]

Witty, witty, I bet your missus doesnt stand a shit-show when it comes down to retorical banter in the kitchen. :hug:
Whats the 1%'er thing?
You wait until your 6 year old is...... 13....lol
Other respectful things? hell no, you missed the point, there is no other.
We agree that HOG is synomous around the world
And HM is? hard Music?

Sad.

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[saltydog]

I have aksed this question before a while back, but no one answered me...

In this country is a "patched " person considered a "gang" member?

Traditionally yes. But these days there are so many clubs about the gangs havent got a chance.

[Headbanger]

not that id "piss on their grave" either.Well many a members of the established hells angels here have called them selves a gang ..so thats why i refer to them as that.

No they haven't, and they never would, They consider themselves a motorcycle club. Others can make their own assesment.

Either your making crap up, or someone has been feeding you a line of dribble.

[Joni]

Depends i mean if you have a patch for Honda ... i wouldn't think so but if its "bloodz ,cryptz,hells angels" in my opinion i would say yes :cool: OK well then to answer the question.... one of my best friend is a "gangster" :lol:

In South Africa one of the larger clubs - The African Gladiators has a Glad patch... they are very much like Ulysses in NZ, but not for older riders only. A club, that does charity runs and helps other bikers.... are they gansters? shit no... but in this country, I suppose people will think they are.

Pic of Shaun one of my best friends... will trust him with my life....

[Conquiztador]

there is a camradery that you will find nowhere else - just look at a pack of dogs running around the streets - same comradery.

The others on the road arnt showing respect - its fear because the pricks are likely to cause them grief and they would rather get out of harms way.

Again - its only because they are in the pack - by themselves most of them are gutless pathetic pussies. Fuck - I boxed for years and had to fight a number of gang guys and beat most of them (most of them - but not all) - and Im a ginga computer nerd.

I have no interest in putting anyone down. Not you, nor anyone else. But just because you have problems understanding their motives, does that give you the right to belittle them? You do not make a blip on their radar. Just get on with it.

[saltydog]

Sad.

So many unanswered questions..........

[Timber020]

HAMC... the c stands for club. they are called a club by sonny barger, one of their founders from oakland. hells angels are a club. mongrel mob/black power are a gang. i dunno what filthy few, road knights etc call themselves.

Club only because the term gang would put Rico on his ass. A pathetic technicality by a pathetic drug addict women basher. HA are a franchise which brings drugs, theft, violence and suffering wherever it goes. A few toy runs and rallys done for PR is like the SS running a sausage sizzle outside Auswitz.

[Conquiztador]

I have aksed this question before a while back, but no one answered me...

In this country is a "patched " person considered a "gang" member?

Ask the police and they are all gangs.

Ask the patched MC's and they clearly differentiate them selves from "gangs" that do not have a focus on bikes.

Ask the patched "gang" member and he will tell you to go fornicate somewhere dark and smelly

[Tank]

I have no interest in putting anyone down. Not you, nor anyone else. But just because you have problems understanding their motives, does that give you the right to belittle them? You do not make a blip on their radar. Just get on with it.

fair call!

they dont make a blip on my radar either - and I hope that it stays that way.

I do have a problem with them - but you were right - my comments were more belittling than they should have been.

C

[Conquiztador]

:gob: hmm not sure i quite get that one ...

U probably too young. Stone is a Oz bikie movie about this bikie club on Kwaka 900's.

[Conquiztador]

fair call!

they dont make a blip on my radar either - and I hope that it stays that way.

I do have a problem with them - but you were right - my comments were more belittling than they should have been.

C

Takes a big man...

[NighthawkNZ]

ive had tons of non patched riders refuse to wave back. no big deal... not like the world will explode or anything.


I've had a patched rider Nod back...

I have caught upto a gang ride, and tagged on to the end of one before and spoke to them when they stopped for fuel... but I also need gas, I have also had a gang help me when my bike broke down...

[Tank]

Takes a big man...

yeah - well ive put on weight lately..:pinch:

[saltydog]

Strapping lad

[iwilde]

While I was filling the SS Commie at the servo a M Mob member had a rather inteligent conversation with me about XR8's and SS's. I bet if I was on the ZX14 he still have acted in the same manner and switched to harleys and jappa's. Untill proven otherwise I respect everyone as an indervidual, patched, tattoo'd or any colour.

[saltydog]

Its amazing where these threads end up going, a bit like chinese whispers really. Some people stick to their convictions, others like to force their opinion, others just know it all. But at the end of the day 'we' are all scared to tread on egg-shells.....geeze this country is getting just too bloody politically correct.
Fuck the gangs.

[Conquiztador]

Its amazing where these threads end up going, a bit like chinese whispers really. Some people stick to their convictions, others like to force their opinion, others just know it all. But at the end of the day 'we' are all scared to tread on egg-shells.....geeze this country is getting just too bloody politically correct.
Fuck the gangs.

You started this thread. I had a re-read of all your posts. You are fishing. Stirring. You do not actually have an opinion.

What is your point?

[Ralph]

Never ridin with a large number of gang mambers and if I did I might choose
to hang back a little as I wouldn't want to piss them off by blasting past them
at a great rate of knots, and besides they usually get a long at a fairly good pace.
Only come across them in pairs or on there own at which point I don't hesitate
and just pass them but they do tend to try and keep up for a short time.
I figure if you gonna pass them you gotta be prepared for a little chase :ride:

[The Joka]

I agree with the guy going on about the commie..

'It is the actions, that define the man'

It is amazing what people assume about others just on appearance. Did you know that if you are meeting someone for the first time, by the time you have shaken their hand they have made 11 decisions about you!

I am a big white guy with a skin head and Tats, if I walk through a mall in my bike gear most people move out my way. Little do they know I would rather help, then hurt.

Do you know what the definition of assume is?
Makes an ASS out if U and ME

[NighthawkNZ]

if I walk through a mall in my bike gear most people move out my way. Little do they know I would rather help, then hurt.


Yeah but your a big white guy with a skin head and Tats that rides a bike... oh wait you already said that... ;)

[EJK]

Biker gang? I thought 250 KB ride was a gang ride? :rolleyes: lol

[SwanTiger]

Its funny because ive never seen a gang or club for that matter consisting of inline fours or Japanese bikes only harleys and triumphs <_< why is this ?
Generally speaking, the individuals who associate with a motorcycle club have a genuine deep rooted interest and enthusiasm for quality motorcycling. Associating themselves with racing fantasies on machines that have no real place on the road is obviously not their style.


While I was filling the SS Commie at the servo a M Mob member had a rather inteligent conversation with me about XR8's and SS's. I bet if I was on the ZX14 he still have acted in the same manner and switched to harleys and jappa's. Untill proven otherwise I respect everyone as an indervidual, patched, tattoo'd or any colour.
True, true.

If you want respect, show respect.

[scumdog]

Strapping lad

Some kid get loose on him with a 'Vivid' pen while he was stoned out??:wacko:

[DMNTD]

Until proven otherwise I respect everyone as an individual, patched, tattooed or any colour.

Wouldn't quite go that far but yes I do give everyone the opportunity to earn respect.
I did a bike run last Saturday with the Te Kuiti Bike Club. There were 4 other bike clubs that attended the 20year celebration afterwards too.
Not one judgemental dick head(re my bike etc),no drugs or rape...however there were 100+ "bikers" with a genuine passion...MOTORCYCLES.

I get sick of ignorant cunts that have no real world experience and roll all Harley "types" in together. Maybe if some people had some balls and got to know some of "them" you'd form a slightly different opinion.

Just to clarify...I am not condoning the so called "gang" mentality that some bike clubs/gangs have.
But for people to assume that since someone rides a Harley in a group of like minded people that they must be violent,drug taking/dealing wankers...well that just pathetic and closed minded.

Bigots...ignorant,judgemental bigots :Pokey:

[Tank]

Wouldn't quite go that far but yes I do give everyone the opportunity to earn respect.

Ahh man there you go - the smartest comment I have seen on KB for well this morning anyway.

I am a huge believer of respect having to be earned - not given as a right. (Thats why Im not into the 'bikers code' just because someone could finance a bike).

BUT I never noticed that I had not been giving "everyone the opportunity to earn respect" (which I hadn't)

I gotta go change some of my attitude now.

Good point well worded!

C

[HornetBoy]

Generally speaking, the individuals who associate with a motorcycle club have a genuine deep rooted interest and enthusiasm for quality motorcycling. Associating themselves with racing fantasies on machines that have no real place on the road is obviously not their style.


But ya see my bike is definitely not orientated towards sport riders (although you can ride it like this) and i consider myself a very dedicated motorbike enthusiast :cool: and also think my bike is of very good quality ,are you saying all people owning a Japanese bike are trying to live out racing fantasies ?

[hospitalfood]

I totally agree with DMNTD, I ride with a group often who look like gangsters without patches.
all of them work, have nice partners and familys, do there bit in the local community.
they are all good successful people.

[HornetBoy]

I totally agree with DMNTD, I ride with a group often who look like gangsters without patches.
all of them work, have nice partners and familys, do there bit in the local community.
they are all good successful people.

Yea i agree ,i think some people have taken this thread out of proportion ,as its got from riding with "gangs" or "clubs" to the people themselves...

[Joni]

Yup, I agree. People have once again taken things too far on KB.

As I said last night, not every person who wears a "patch" is a raping, drug using gangster....

On the topics question.... no I have never ridder with a bike gangster, but I have ridden with a patched rider hundreds if not thousands of times...

As I said I would trust him with my life... or put my mother on the back of his bike as well! Oh hold on... she has already pillioned with him many times! :confused:

[HornetBoy]

Yup, I agree. People have once again taken things too far on KB.

As I said last night, not every person who wears a "patch" is a raping, drug using gangster....

On the topics question.... no I have never ridder with a bike gangster, but I have ridden with a patched rider hundreds if not thousands of times...

As I said I would trust him with my life... or put my mother on the back of his bike as well! Oh hold on... she has already pillioned with him many times! :confused:

yea subjects get changed etc etc,ive ridden in south australia when the biker groups were not illegal (yes im only 18 but this was about 8 months ago) and once they have sussed you out and know your not some random arse trying to fit in they are very nice people to talk to and are not out to insult or hurt people.:innocent:

[Joni]

yea subjects get changed etc etc,ive ridden in south australia when the biker groups were not illegal (yes im only 18 but this was about 8 months ago) and once they have sussed you out and know your not some random arse trying to fit in they are very nice people to talk to and are not out to insult or hurt people.:innocent:In fact in my limited experience with this, they can be very warm people... for me a person I am proud to call a freind... he is highly successful in his career, has a great family, stunning children, and does a mean steak on the bbq!

He may be an exception to the rule... I dont know, but all the pople who ride with him are the same.

There are extremes in people in all walks of life I suppose. So you need to look at people and not judge... you wont know who the good are and the bad are until you talk with them.

[jrandom]

to assume that since someone rides a Harley in a group of like minded people that they must be violent,drug taking/dealing wankers...well that just pathetic and closed minded.

Of course!

I got the impression that the original poster was talking about one of the 'ethnic' gangs, though. Hence my 'piss on grave' comment.

Also hence my first question about what patch they were wearing, which I notice wasn't answered. Some patches I don't have that reaction to.

[Trudes]

A while back I followed a guy who I thought was part of a ride I was on (after getting lost, again), and pulled up next to him at a set of lights to then realise he was probably a gang member (of some sort, I'm not up with the play of patches and shit) and not part of the group I was supposed to be with, but thought it was funny when I flipped up my visor and looked over at him, he looked over at me, obviously realised I was some lost chick on a bike and did the gang salute (backwards nod), then roared off when the light changed, I decided to stop following him at that point, he was probably lost too.:bye:

[HenryDorsetCase]

A bunch of worthless criminal scum, you mean.

Show me the grave of one, and I'll happily piss on it.

But what do you really think?

[trump-lady]

no one in a scary gang wants to ride with me!!!!! I dunno why?

Nah for real....dad and uncle as shown below all ride in packs. Not patched but look meanish......so I ride alot with them. I always giggle when I ride with em cause here they are all black and harleyed and heres me in the middle with my pink bike and blue and white leathers LOL

I

[Joni]

I always giggle when I ride with em cause here they are all black and harleyed and heres me in the middle with my pink bike and blue and white leathers LOL Balance is always a good thing! :msn-wink:

Yup, dont judge a book by its cover....

[PuppetMaster]

ie. Trump-Ladies's picture

That dude needs seriously long arms.....

[007XX]

Nah for real....dad and uncle as shown below all ride in packs. Not patched but look meanish......so I ride alot with them. I always giggle when I ride with em cause here they are all black and harleyed and heres me in the middle with my pink bike and blue and white leathers LOL

I

I think that's pretty cool really. A few of my mates would be categorised as fairly dodgy looking I suppose, but honnestly, they are just a lovely bunch of maniacs...and no, I wouldn't encourage anyone to piss them off, but in general they are very good blokes just out for a good ride.

[BarBender]

Just to clarify...I am not condoning the so called "gang" mentality that some bike clubs/gangs have.
But for people to assume that since someone rides a Harley in a group of like minded people that they must be violent,drug taking/dealing wankers...well that just pathetic and closed minded.

I'm with DUMPTY but want to go further...

No doubt some people here would have a bad gang story. Sorry if you have...

I've never had an issue with "gangs"... I guess part of this is a sense that comes from growing up in an area where they were as much a part of the social network as they were the scenery.

When parked up at the same stop I have never experienced any "Jap/Harley shit talk" but rather an interest in each others bikes and if the conversation goes on maybe even swap bike stories. However during that time - I never overlook what it is they might do off their bikes and keep it firmly logged in the back of my mind when Im in their company.

But for an instant I get to see and hear the biker in them.

Sure its my choice...but thats what I choose to remember.

Just my $0.2 worth.

[HornetBoy]

no one in a scary gang wants to ride with me!!!!! I dunno why?

Nah for real....dad and uncle as shown below all ride in packs. Not patched but look meanish......so I ride alot with them. I always giggle when I ride with em cause here they are all black and harleyed and heres me in the middle with my pink bike and blue and white leathers LOL

I

WOW that would be really stretched out seat position :scooter:

[nodrog]

[B]
....no drugs or rape...[B]

you should have been in my tent bro!

[DMNTD]

When parked up at the same stop I have never experienced any "Jap/Harley shit talk"...

Interestingly enough I find it to be the "Sportsbikers" to be the most judgemental riders on the road

[DMNTD]

you should have been in my tent bro!

I was... :love:

[sunhuntin]

I'm with DUMPTY but want to go further...

No doubt some people here would have a bad gang story. Sorry if you have...

I've never had an issue with "gangs"... I guess part of this is a sense that comes from growing up in an area where they were as much a part of the social network as they were the scenery.

When parked up at the same stop I have never experienced any "Jap/Harley shit talk" but rather an interest in each others bikes and if the conversation goes on maybe even swap bike stories. However during that time - I never overlook what it is they might do off their bikes and keep it firmly logged in the back of my mind when Im in their company.

But for an instant I get to see and hear the biker in them.

Sure its my choice...but thats what I choose to remember.

Just my $0.2 worth.

yep. when they come into my work, i often find that two wheeled folk, both patched and not, have better manners and are more friendly than the 80 year old lady in front of them. almost always get smile and whatnot. never really had the chance to engage in a coversation with them, but i wouldnt hesitate... they would have to start it though, lol. too gutless to start it myself.

[BarBender]

Interestingly enough I find it to be the "Sportsbikers" to be the most judgemental riders on the road

yep bro....In my experience that has certainly been the case. Thankfully no one I know.

And I have to say...some of the most impressive road riding I have ever seen have been by Harley riders.
Barrel on the back, 2 cent coin on the front, lagging throttle and dealing to a section of twisties or group of cages like they werent even there....

Some people need to get around.

[jrandom]

Some people need to get around.

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[trump-lady]

WOW that would be really stretched out seat position :scooter:



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ummm
HUH?

[Mikkel]

Nice vid

What, who, where, when?

[u4ea]

As I have grown up in the biker scene a "patch" or "badge" or tattoes is nothing but who the group of riders belong to.I have riden with too many to different "clubs" to count and all while riding a japper!Been to a few biker funerals where it's patches or whatever and been part of the ceremonies and gaurd of honour.I have always been treated with respect and respected their individual places .I have never got involved in "business" but maintained a freindship which revolves around bikes and the road.Some people need to stop throwing stones and really look behind the leather and apehangers to see the real family which lies beneath.


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[SPman]

If you want to get through traffic in a hurry - tag onto the back of a gang! It's like following Moses through the Red Sea! The traffic just can't wait to get out of the way! I've had the opportunity to do this many times over the years and, as long as you ignore them and sit behind the pack (to them - your rightful place), it's fine.
Only time they've given me a fright was back in '74, when tootling down the AK motorway with the missus on the back, daydreaming away, on the Ducati, when I suddenly (from the noise - I wasn't watching the mirrors), realised I was surrounded by bikes! Hourdes of Triumphs and Nortons (no Harleys in those days) all having a good look at the bike. A round of thumbs up and waves and they surged past - no trouble at all.


And I have to say...some of the most impressive road riding I have ever seen have been by Harley riders. Yep - followed, or tried to, a Harley rider back from Oakura to NP, one afternoon. Full ape hangers, barn door riding position, the works! Probably also a full S&S motor etc. The FZR750 had never worked so hard in it's life, just to keep him in sight! And he was smooooooooth, with it. Very impressive!

[The Joka]

Know me before you judge me! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Motu]

One of the Grim Reapers had a 750GT around that time,and it was probably them you saw as they were the major ''gang'' in Auckland in that era.These groups are a collection of individuals - some were into it for the image of being a ''bikie'',some were into bikes,and others were a bit of each....and some even more complex.And yes,I have,it's pretty special thundering at speed on the open road,in staggered formation seeing bikes far ahead,and behind,Cops stop and watch them go past,kids mouths drop in awe.And they also don't like it when someone breaks down and the whole group has to be hauled in and regroup,and then stand around as the idiot responsible fixes his bike.....

[beyond]

I used to ride the snot out of my Two Stroke Suzkuki T250 Hustler when I was 18. Was some time ago now (about 32 years ago ) when I was coming home on the Southern from work and spotted a whole group of Hells Angels on their hogs and Brit bikes near Manurewa. I gunned my bike and caught up on the Takanini straight and tucked in behind the last few riders.

Not the thing to do apparently. A jap bike pulling up near these fellows. One of them spotted me and and threatened me with a fist and another one pulled a motorcycle chain off from around his shoulders started braking and swinging in menacingly. I slowed down and relaised I was in for it as the whole group had hit the picks and were trying to block the motorway.

Not fancying the idea of having a motorcycle chain necklace I chopped several gears, shot onto the grass and went like hell up the median barried to the sound of over a dozen large non Japanese bikes throttling up after me.

I went straight off the off ramp at Takanini knowing my top end would have me stuffed staying on the motorway and jumped the stop signs and giveway signs scooting through all the back roads I could find.

I did eventually give them the slip but later that night heard through a party grapevine that the Angels were looking for a rider with a black jacket and a patchy red and white helmet. I was using a well scuffed Daytona car racing helmet then so painted it the next mornig and was careful for days :(

[Motu]

Was some time ago now (about 32 years ago ) when I was coming home on the Southern from work and spotted a whole group of Hells Angels on their hogs and Brit bikes near Manurewa.


Hells Angels on Harleys in 1975? I doubt it.A couple of years later the Outcasts were on Harleys,they were the first gang to get Harleys.

I've come across a few sportsbike riders who don't like a chook chaser giving them a hurry up......motorcyclist egos are a fragile thing apparently.

[98tls]

Hells Angels on Harleys in 1975? I doubt it.A couple of years later the Outcasts were on Harleys,they were the first gang to get Harleys.

I've come across a few sportsbike riders who don't like a chook chaser giving them a hurry up......motorcyclist egos are a fragile thing apparently. When a young fella i was heading to my old mans place through the hundalees on a 500/4 and came upon a group of patched bikers,being 0nly 17 i was of a mind to sit behind them at first but after awhile watching them fuck up every corner on a brillant and my then favourite piece of road i thought fuck it and set about going passed them,i arrived at the old mans place and didnt give them another thought.maybe 2 hours later a bloke turns up complete with cut of leather jacket etc and tells the old man that his bike has broken down..bike was a T160 and the old man being somewhat of a bike enthusiast ie shed full of 60s Nortons,Rocket 3 and a Bevel drive duc says no worrys bring it in,the guy gets it all the way down the Hawkswood gravel road via a tow from one of his mates,these guys spy the bikes in the shed and flock to have a look..no worrys..until the old man asks them to not swear when talking as my step-sister was just learning to talk and as he explained to one of them he didnt want her first word to be fuck etc.....ended up quite the event,the old fella ended up explaining to these guys that a 30-06 round (from the 30-06 he was holding) would without doubt remove a leg and who wanted to be first.:banana:True story.

[SwanTiger]

But ya see my bike is definitely not orientated towards sport riders (although you can ride it like this) and i consider myself a very dedicated motorbike enthusiast :cool: and also think my bike is of very good quality ,are you saying all people owning a Japanese bike are trying to live out racing fantasies ?

Gees you're an argumentitive little Honda faggot, read into my post what you will, I couldn't give a fuck what you get out of it.

For the record, I think that your bike is a piece of shit and get the impression you like to suck asian cock.

Is that enough to keep you going? Wanna beat around the bush some more?

[98tls]

Gees you're an argumentitive little Honda faggot, read into my post what you will, I couldn't give a fuck what you get out of it.

For the record, I think that your bike is a piece of shit and get the impression you like to suck asian cock.

Is that enough to keep you going? Wanna beat around the bush some more? Dont fuck about swanny......say what ya mean.:cool:

[Weaver]

Higway 61 Motorcycle Club
Epitaph riders Motorcycle Club
Devils Henchmen motorcycle Club
Kiwi Bikers ( notice, not a club )
Artic Angels Motorcycle Club
Magog Motorcycle Club
Filthy Few Motorcycle Club
Road Knights Motorcycle Club


You forgot the "Hellfish"

[Winston001]

The definitive book about bikers is "Hells Angels" by the gonzo journalist himself, Hunter S Thompson. Read it.

Sonny Barger's biography by comparison is interesting but not exactly gripping.

[Hitcher]

You forgot the "Hellfish"

And the BDOTGNZA.

[HornetBoy]

Gees you're an argumentitive little Honda faggot, read into my post what you will, I couldn't give a fuck what you get out of it.

For the record, I think that your bike is a piece of shit and get the impression you like to suck asian cock.

Is that enough to keep you going? Wanna beat around the bush some more?

i find that very amuseing (of course you dont give a shit) ,this of course while im gorging on asian cock riite and playing with mens arses ... ..wow you got a mouth on ya don't ya :crazy: ,why do people always resort to saying people like to suck other mens dicks...and yea i couldn't give a rats arse if you think my bike is shit either ...:clap: but thanks for your opinion

[98tls]

are you for real ...? <_< if so i find that very amuseing ,this of course while im gorging on asian cock riite May have something to do with it Horn boy.

[saltydog]

There are some gems in here arent there. SPman, beyond and 98tls had the best riding with the gang stories today. Oh and the lost KB'er at the lights. A few of you really got stuck in and told everyone just what they thought of each other(s) and (bikes as well). Dig it in. I posted a strapping lad pic earlier and while on google the true stories and events i came accross that these guys were/are into is fucking sick. Young girls on the block for all the boys for fun, bashings, robberies, as somone out there said........ "business", I mean fuck that. Say what you like the gangs are the root of alot of bad shit in NZ and the PO-lice are wanting to crack down on these mutts, good job.
But yeah, funny ridiing with them....lol.....and running from them...ducking a swinging bike chain! Geeze.

[sunhuntin]

you cannot base your judgement of all patched people on the reports of a few. if that were that case, then all cops would be involved in group sex and making videos of that. bad shit happens in every single group this world contains. but that doesnt mean that every member of that group is like that.

where the reports you read based on new zealand gangs/clubs or overseas? i know the boys i rode and lived with are nothing like those reports portray, they are more real than many non patched riders i have met.

[saltydog]

Just google Mongrel Mob, pages only from NZ and you'll see some of their deeds. In black, white, colour and in history. But yes, u r right. Theres always bad apples in the barrel, but if there are only a few bad apples we shouldnt assume the whole barrel is bad?

[McJim]

you cannot base your judgement of all patched people on the reports of a few. if that were that case, then all cops would be involved in group sex and making videos of that. bad shit happens in every single group this world contains. but that doesnt mean that every member of that group is like that.

where the reports you read based on new zealand gangs/clubs or overseas? i know the boys i rode and lived with are nothing like those reports portray, they are more real than many non patched riders i have met.

Yes - we all know the gangs in New Zealand are created primarily for civic good and helping old ladies across the road :rofl: now where did I put that Tui?

[sunhuntin]

*SNIPPY* But yes, u r right. Theres always bad apples in the barrel, but if there are only a few bad apples we shouldnt assume the whole barrel is bad?

exactly. same goes that if there are only a few GOOD apples, we cant assume the whole barrel is good.

mcjim... you missed the point.

[McJim]

mcjim... you missed the point.

Yeah you're right - I tend to get a bit biased when someone creates an organisation specifically to endanger me, my family and my property - funny that eh?

[98tls]

Just google Mongrel Mob, pages only from NZ and you'll see some of their deeds. In black, white, colour and in history. But yes, u r right. Theres always bad apples in the barrel, but if there are only a few bad apples we shouldnt assume the whole barrel is bad? All i can add is that good or bad when confronted with a 5 shot 30-06 they stop swearing.......funny enough there was no more f%ck you %unt and suddenly they were the little angels there mother must have loved.:banana:

[sunhuntin]

as i said... there are good and bad everywhere you look. the bike riders i have met, no what their skin color, accent, patched or not, or style of bike they ride, none have done me any harm. i dont give em a reason to. i treat all people the same until given a reason to either increase my respect, or to disreguard them entirely and hold them at a distance in future meetings.

you leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. have you personally ever been threatened? im sure sonny barger and other founders all got together and said "right, lets set out specifically to target this guy mcjim and make him life difficult"

trust me, when the distance is kept, you and i are not even blips on their radars.

[saltydog]

All i can add is that good or bad when confronted with a 5 shot 30-06 they stop swearing

AArrh the good old 30-06, the last time I saw one of those was at a MMob convention in Porirua in 75"

[98tls]

as i said... there are good and bad everywhere you look. the bike riders i have met, no what their skin color, accent, patched or not, or style of bike they ride, none have done me any harm. i dont give em a reason to. i treat all people the same until given a reason to either increase my respect, or to disreguard them entirely and hold them at a distance in future meetings.

you leave them alone, and they will leave you alone. have you personally ever been threatened? im sure sonny barger and other founders all got together and said "right, lets set out specifically to target this guy mcjim and make him life difficult"

trust me, when the distance is kept, you and i are not even blips on their radars. WTF is this shit......when a fuck up fucks up theres no radar dipshit,by all means worship whatever or whoever you want but i have no interest in reading shit from people who live in a bubble,i have in younger days ridin a very different path and chose to move on for my own reasons but to read this does nothing but recall the smell of a particularly bad shit i had.

[98tls]

AArrh the good old 30-06, the last time I saw one of those was at a MMob convention in Porirua in 75" Interested.I still have the one afore mentioned...passed on.semi auto 5 shot.nothing and i mean nothing has taken more than a few steps after being hit.

[McJim]

trust me, when the distance is kept, you and i are not even blips on their radars.
You're right - we're not blips - we're easy pickings. That's why they break into our houses. that's why they steal our cars. That's why they supply drugs to our children.

I wish I was a blip rather than being a target.

[98tls]

You're right - we're not blips - we're easy pickings. That's why they break into our houses. that's why they steal our cars. That's why they supply drugs to our children.

I wish I was a blip rather than being a target. :girlfight:careful Jim..........your not keeping your distance.

[saltydog]

this does nothing but recall the smell of a particularly bad shit i had.

SMELLY indeed. Ever had the, "what the fuck are you looking at cunt" dropped on you while trying to pretend the mobster infront of you is just a figment of your imagination? Would we all try to reason with it? No, more like get the hell outa there...in one piece.

[saltydog]

So what do you think?

[Conquiztador]

So what do you think?

About what?

[98tls]

SMELLY indeed. Ever had the, "what the fuck are you looking at cunt" dropped on you while trying to pretend the mobster infront of you is just a figment of your imagination? Would we all try to reason with it? No, more like get the hell outa there...in one piece. :laugh:see your point.When 21 (roughly) myself and a mate rode to the dog house in ch ch late one night on a couple of old commandos..came out with our burgers to see my mate telling a very pissed MM member why no matter how much he belived his right to take it was wrong the guy wouldnt understand so as the fucker was large i picked up a hefty looking treadly and knocked the fucker over........luckily for us as his mates started to disembake there customline a heap of bikers started arriving..so they did nothing...said bikers were unknown to us and we just rode off.

[fredie]

what about ''the finks'' or ''gods garbage'' or ''white power demons'':eek5::2guns:

[sunhuntin]

ive never had my house broken into, had drugs pushed on me and never had anything stolen from me from patched people.

i HAVE had stuff stolen from me, very nearly been raped, almost had my arm broken AND had drugs pushed on me from my very own brother! wtf does that tell you? and no... he doesnt wear a patch. he just wishes he did.

guess what? people without patches push drugs, rape, steal, kill, abuse and tag shit as well. guess we aint that good are we?

and where did i ever say anything about worship?? fuck that shit. i just give all humans equal chance until they prove me otherwise. i dont disrespect people over their looks, disabilities, type of bike whatever. i respect just enough to get to know how far to go. when they treat me good or bad, thats when i make my judgements.

i respect my boss, i respect my parents and i respect those canadians i call my brothers and sisters.

[saltydog]

yes yes, but these gangs profit from crime in an organised way. Not some random punk, or P addict breaking into your house so he/she can buy their next fix, or some pissed guy following you home because he thinks hes going to score with you.....these guys contract manufacture drugs then distribute, they run chop shops, pimp girls, fraud, you name it......hell these guys are so tricky the cops have a difficult time pinning anything on them. They stand for and represent organised crime in NZ. Like for example if i say Yakuza, what do you think of? So although we may get one of these guys on their own and theyre quite nice, whatever......put them together and it spells trouble.

[jahrasti]

Like most people have said I know people in both ethnic gangs and OMG.
Many of whom I went to school with. By themselves we talk shit and catch up. In their gang capacity it is a different story.
Don't you think they all could be buds with each other? If all te psyeudo(sp?) is from asialand don't you think they could be in each others back pocket to keep everyone happy?

[sunhuntin]

I had this occassion to come up on the back of the mob one time. I was on my old FJ coming out of Welly and there was about 30 of them, Harleys, Nortons, and trumpys and fanging it. The leader? (with attached 50kg model hanging off the sissy bar) would overtake (whenever there was a gap, any gap) and the whole pack would follow, regardless of traffic, yellow lines, cops, whatever. Now dont get me wrong, the noise of all these bikes opening up was awesume, the pack mentatility was excelerating... and hell did the oncoming cars get out of the way, but fuck that..... I stuck with them, hanging off the back, trying not to get to 'forward' into the tail enders during overtaking, it was a laugh. Not one time did they acknowledge my presence, not a nod, glance whatever, just a a stoney stare straight ahead. Must have been good smoke. they turned off just after Shannon and I flew on through.
It was short but very memorable experience.
Who else has has the occassion? :2guns:


The business

yes yes, but these gangs profit from crime in an organised way. Not some random punk, or P addict breaking into your house so he/she can buy their next fix, or some pissed guy following you home because he thinks hes going to score with you.....these guys contract manufacture drugs then distribute, they run chop shops, pimp girls, fraud, you name it......hell these guys are so tricky the cops have a difficult time pinning anything on them. They stand for and represent organised crime in NZ. Like for example if i say Yakuza, what do you think of? So although we may get one of these guys on their own and theyre quite nice, whatever......put them together and it spells trouble.

so why bother "hanging off the back of them" then?

[Subike]

thiis has got me rather curious,
I need information to enlighted my alcahol soaked brain.
Timaru Motor cycle show? who organized it?
Bear Racing Ruapuna? Who organizrd and ran the first meetings.
Brass Monkey ralley?
Sundowner ralley?
Nelson bays ralley?
And I am sure there are hundreds more ralleys, race events, Bike shows that have been around for the past 30 odd years.....
Now who was it that organised these event that many of you guys /gals go along to and enjoy the fun of motor cycling at its best.

I hear the question,
Why no jappanese bike in "gang" Motorcycle clubs?
Because Jap bikes are realitivly recent additions to out roads.
The clubs were formed origionally in the 50's 60's time eara when "jap" bikes were not on the market.
Im sure you can all remember the tinny sound of the first 2 strokes that arrived in NZ, at the time, any self respecting bike rider would not ride one.
The label stuck for years
Oh um, if it was not for the "bikies" the demand for quality european, brithish, american bikes would have ment NZ would have jack shit on the road

[saltydog]

so why bother "hanging off the back of them" then?

What was I going to do? The big hell mauovure through a 30 odd pack of nasty looking fellas all fanging at 140 and faster, through a bit of traffic? Imagine the look on the officers face as i fly past him with the mob in tow!!!
Who would he pull over?
But yes, hanging back in life is sometimes in good move.:niceone:

[Winston001]

I hear the question,
Why no jappanese bike in "gang" Motorcycle clubs?
Because Jap bikes are realitivly recent additions to out roads.
The clubs were formed origionally in the 50's 60's time eara when "jap" bikes were not on the market.
Im sure you can all remember the tinny sound of the first 2 strokes that arrived in NZ, at the time, any self respecting bike rider would not ride one.
The label stuck for years
Oh um, if it was not for the "bikies" the demand for quality european, brithish, american bikes would have ment NZ would have jack shit on the road

FWIIW I posted the following on another thread:

The prejudice (against Japanese bikes) started in the late 1960s/early 1970s when Japanese bikes became popular. They were more reliable, faster in a straight line, and cheaper than English/Italian/German bikes. What is more, there was heaps of choice from 50cc - 900cc. Every Jap manufacturer had a complete range of inexpensive bikes and almost overnight they were everywhere.

Harley Davidson barely existed in NZ. The English bikes handled well but leaked oil and often broke down. They were for enthuasists. Eventually Triumph and Norton were swamped by the competition and went into liquidation.

So if you were a biker, you had to have an English bike. It was only for enthusiasts, it was loud, sounded and looked like a real bike, and was unusual because everyone else was riding Japanese. The average blokes were riding zinging two strokes which you sneered at despite their speed (MACH1 Kawasaki - now there is a bike!) Or humming sewing machines with four cylinders which had a buzzing exhaust note. Bleeuugh.

It didn't matter that they were faster etc because you could kick the hell out of the bike (and rider if he was silly enough to stay around) at the next pub.

English bikes became rare and also cost more so they had a kind of snob value.

When the English bikes disappeared the bikers looked around in desperation. Some adopted Ducatis and BMWs but eventually, after selling enough drugs, they started buying Harleys as being the only other true motorbike.

But this attitude went way beyond the gangs. Thousands of guys loved the bad boy image which went with a throaty exhaust note and originals (unwashed denims for you young'uns). They wanted a Bonneville or Commando or Sportster but they were hard to get.

So that is another reason - exclusivity. HDs etc are expensive and have a cult status. It might be irrational but its strong enough to ensure HD keep selling bikes year after year. I'd guess that the ratio of Japanese to BEARS bikes on the road is 10:1 so the Jap bike despite its excellence is just too common to be respected. Silly but there it is.

[Timber020]

thiis has got me rather curious,
I need information to enlighted my alcahol soaked brain.
Timaru Motor cycle show? who organized it?
Bear Racing Ruapuna? Who organizrd and ran the first meetings.
Brass Monkey ralley?
Sundowner ralley?
Nelson bays ralley?
And I am sure there are hundreds more ralleys, race events, Bike shows that have been around for the past 30 odd years.....
Now who was it that organised these event that many of you guys /gals go along to and enjoy the fun of motor cycling at its best.



The IRA, El Quada, mafia, yakuza, hezbollah, Hamas, The SS, KKK, Shining path, all run charity events, community youth programs and various other attempts at keeping good PR, especially in the immediate area in which they live. This is done to keep the locals happy and on side.
Few organised criminal or terrorist enterprises are stupid enough to think they can operate freely or profitably without the support of the local population. Ie they dont crap in there own nests. They are careful not to do anything that might limit there movement, communication and distributions systems. If it means running the odd rally or toy run then its easy.

The leaders of these groups are interested in power and money, gotten any way possible. Not all patched members are criminals, just like not all nazis were war criminals. Groups like the HAMC are great as long as your not in there way.
To many innocent hard working people have, through not fault of there own, found themselves on the wrong side of such groups, and found their lives ruined because of it. Good people have been murdered, houses firebombed, kids killed, carbombs, intimidation, you name it.

My grandfather and grandmother had trouble with them in nz, I have friends who have had bad dealings with the clubs here and in Aus, one had to leave town for defending a woman getting a beating in broad daylight in a small town. Yeah great guys.

[Tank]

The IRA, El Quada, mafia, yakuza, hezbollah, Hamas, The SS, KKK, Shining path, all run charity events, community youth programs and various other attempts at keeping good PR, especially in the immediate area in which they live.

pffft the KKK is a club - not a gang!

They meet monthly to discuss their shared interest in white sheets. Sure a few of them like to hang 'em nigga's but you cant go give them all a bad name for the few that got caught.

geesh!
:eek:

[beyond]

Hells Angels on Harleys in 1975? I doubt it.A couple of years later the Outcasts were on Harleys,they were the first gang to get Harleys.

I've come across a few sportsbike riders who don't like a chook chaser giving them a hurry up......motorcyclist egos are a fragile thing apparently.

Yep, would have been brit bikes. The noise and ominous threat of a beating and the fact I wasn't into anything else except Jap bikes had me thinking Harleys were around back then in large numbers.
Brit bikes were everywhere then and Jappers got kicked over if left parked anywhere in town especially on Friday nights.

[Winston001]

Brit bikes were everywhere then and Jappers got kicked over if left parked anywhere in town especially on Friday nights.

Yeah I remember that. Once in Dunedin 1978 my mate and I on our jap trail bikes were visiting some local Satan's Sinners. One of the guys quietly urged us to head away because a couple of Henchmen from Christchurch were due to arrive and posed a real danger to us.

I was a naive student and shocked - but managed to disappear in a cloud of two-stroke smoke pdq. :mad:

[Tank]

In the news today - see stuff.co.nz and nzherald.co.nz they mention the police raiding the Mongrel Mob who are described as an ethnic gang (not a morotcycle club).

One interesting comment was

"More arrests were likely, he said. Once those arrested became known the community would realise they were the same people who had been presenting themselves as community-minded people, Mr Whitehead said."

[scumdog]

ive never had my house broken into, had drugs pushed on me and never had anything stolen from me from patched people.

i HAVE had stuff stolen from me, very nearly been raped, almost had my arm broken AND had drugs pushed on me from my very own brother! wtf does that tell you? and no... he doesnt wear a patch. he just wishes he did.

guess what? people without patches push drugs, rape, steal, kill, abuse and tag shit as well. guess we aint that good are we?

You might be surprised to find out these non-patched people above were stealing to buy stuff from patched people further up the food chain..or pushing drigs they got from said patched member...or beating people to pay a drug-debt they have with patched people

And people with patches also DO do the stuff you mentioned too.

[Subike]

FWI

When the English bikes disappeared the bikers looked around in desperation. Some adopted Ducatis and BMWs but eventually, after selling enough drugs, they started buying Harleys as being the only other true motorbike.

But this attitude went way beyond the gangs. Thousands of guys loved the bad boy image which went with a throaty exhaust note and originals (unwashed denims for you young'uns). They wanted a Bonneville or Commando or Sportster but they were hard to get.





I have to disagree totally with this statement.
I rode with one of those clubs at the time you are talking about, 1980 - 1988
I was never "patched" and was never asked to in the 2 years i rode with them.
I bought my 84 1100 Evo Harley Sportster as a one year old bike.
It took me the sale of a Car, working two jobs and my partner at the time
worked as well. It took us 9 mths hard out work to get that bike.. legal as.
Now
There were also 5 other members(patched) who also wanted Harleys,
For a woodcutting season these guys did fire wood, non stop for a year.
At the end of it they had made enouigh money to buy 6 Harley Davidson Evo 1340 bikes.
Why 6? The extra bike was raffeld around the club, with enough money being made to have a club fun fully paid for.
Other members were carpenters, concrete layers and a realestate dealer.
The attitude and direction of these groups changed in the 90's when young blood came into the clubs.
Arrogant ready to fight , too east to get bikes and money.
The "older" left. not wanting the crap of the young,
But that was just one group who were known as a "biker gang" as the police and media showed them

The rest of your post is ok, and I agree with you after reading it all.

[PrincessBandit]

Nope, but then I haven't gotten to ride with too many people yet, tend to ride on my own most of the time. Hopefully that will change. I acknowledge anyone on two wheels if im able, regardless of what they're on or what they're wearing. Mix of responses from all ranging from being ignored by some on bikes similar to mine through to wave or nod from some really hard looking black leathered ape-hanging guys with gang patches. However trying to join onto the end of a group of Mongrel Mob riders probably wouldn't be at the top of my to-do list. If the opportunity presented itself I think I'd just ride with a bit of distance between them and me so that they had no reason to think this skinny little white sheila was trying to suck up to them. If they acknowledged me I'd be racing through my paltry translating skills to see if it was of the friendly or hostile variety, then choose my response accordingly i.e. friendly, return in kind; hostile, open that throttle and be outta there.

[Conquiztador]

There is something in riding with a patched MC club. I always liked the changing of stereotypes. To stop and help someone, to say thank you, to pay the bill and give a tip, to discuss art, a deep film, a book.

As I think I said here before: If you have not been there you will have difficoulties understanding.