Going to Court!!!

[zukifan101]

gidday guys anyone who gets a ticket for parking on the footpath in wellington should go straight to court i am.if we clog up the court system theyl have no choice but to relax those laws get back to me people who are interested

[owner]

give em hell it should be allowded

[vifferman]

If, in the unlikely event you lose, you realise you'll have to pay court costs of around $130?

[skelstar]

What are you going to say if you stand up in court? Regardless of how many bike parks there are in town blah blah, the law still states that its illegal doesn't it? Good on you for wanting to change things but it could be expensive.

[yod]

ummm

FOOTpath ???

just my 2c

[Blackbird]

I was in Melbourne the week before last and there were bikes parked neatly everywhere on the pavements. I presume the City Fathers have sanctioned this and if so, they deserve a big round of praise for an enlightened view.

[vifferman]

I was in Melbourne the week before last and there were bikes parked neatly everywhere on the pavements. I presume the City Fathers have sanctioned this and if so, they deserve a big round of praise for an enlightened view.
Yes.
But a few years ago, they decided to withdraw the sanction, so the MelbourneBikers girded their collective loins, and started a campaign to park instead in central city carparks early each morning.

The problem is, cities are run by bureaucrats, who forget a couple of things:
- The city runs more betterer if pragmatism and commonsense are more important than bureaucracy
- They are civil servants, not the rulers of the city, and their powers are imparted by their employers, the ratepayers.

[Ocean1]

They are civil servants, not the rulers of the city, and their powers are imparted by their employers, the ratepayers.

A vast majority of whom would rather motorcicles didn't exist, let alone actually clutter up the footpaths.

Sorry dude, the biggest voting block wins, unless you can afford to spend WAY too much time making as much noise as the blue-hair brigade.

[Tank]

gidday guys anyone who gets a ticket for parking on the footpath in wellington should go straight to court i am.if we clog up the court system theyl have no choice but to relax those laws get back to me people who are interested

ummm - why not come back AFTER you have been to court and tell us how you get on before recommending it to everybody.

oh - and as for clogging up the courts leaving them with no choice to change the rules - that dosnt actually work.

Hope that it works out for you!

C

[car]

Yes.
But a few years ago, they decided to withdraw the sanction, so the MelbourneBikers girded their collective loins, and started a campaign to park instead in central city carparks early each morning.

Heh. I like. Didn't someone local to here (Jim2, was it you?) already point us to the rule that says we're not allowed to park in P&D car bays, though? In which case, the only legal option is to all turn up early and, um, fight for the bike bays...

That, and we can always vote for the other lizard.

My employer has the foresight to provide us with dedicate MC parking, which we, the motorcycling employees, seem to be spreading out to occupy evenly, so that people don't get the impression that "MC only" means "emergency overflow car parking for important people."

[EJK]

So you are going to the court because you parked on the footpath?

O....K.....

[Taine]

It's a hard town down there by the sounds of it....but hey pretty hard to fight the courts, I always park on the footpath only because of cage drivers trying to park an hitting bikes....guess 1 day they will also give me a ticket but better than bike getting knocked over or worse driven over....

[spudchucka]

If, in the unlikely event you lose, you realise you'll have to pay court costs of around $130?

Yeah but think how cool he'll feel knowing he clogged up the court system for a further five minutes.:banana:

[Oakie]

How about making a point very legally and showing the benefit of scooters being able to park on the footpath? Pick a popular and prominant parking street up there and get a whole lot of scooters to get there early in the morning; so early that you can have a whole lot of scooters taking up one car park per scooter along a whole block. You'd need to arrange meter feeding which may cost a bit and you'd have to do it a few times so it's seen as more than just a publicity stunt but if you get enough motorists complaining and get a bit of media publicity you may just find a relaxing in attitudes. You may even get a few additional scooter parking areas. Mobilise!

[Ocean1]

How about making a point very legally and showing the benefit of scooters being able to park on the footpath? Pick a popular and prominant parking street up there and get a whole lot of scooters to get there early in the morning; so early that you can have a whole lot of scooters taking up one car park per scooter along a whole block. You'd need to arrange meter feeding which may cost a bit and you'd have to do it a few times so it's seen as more than just a publicity stunt but if you get enough motorists complaining and get a bit of media publicity you may just find a relaxing in attitudes. You may even get a few additional scooter parking areas. Mobilise!

Not an option in most areas.


we're not allowed to park in P&D car bays,

[Str8 Jacket]

OK.... Let me tell ya whats gonna happen. Trust me, I worked for Min of Justice for 5 years..... What is gonna happen is firstly, they are going to ask you if you disputed this with the issuing authority, yes or no. If yes, what did they say. If they refused to withdraw it then you are obliged to pay the ticket. If they did withdraw it then your problem would have dissapeared. What some people fail to realise is that the Ministry of Justice is just like Baycorp, they are a "Collections Agency" of sorts. All that will happen is the your 40 dollar ticket will then have 30 dollars court costs added, then if you go up in front of the judge they will add another 100 or 150, also be aware that the judge can decide to "up" your ticket...... All that's gonna happen here is having the courts on ya arse. Be aware that they can deuct this money directly form your income, benefit or bank account if you refuse to pay. They can also send bailiffs to your house to take personal belongings to cover cost.
It may just be easier to suck it up, pay ya 40 bucks and just not park on the footpath again?

[Renegade]

there must be a way to stick it to the man, surely civil diputes tribunal could deal with the case and here the claim agaist those filthy tyranical nazi meter people, id argue the ticket, maybe take the council to court for costs, if there are no bike parks available and you cant park in a P&D or parking building then surely to park your bike in an area that is not obstructing is reasonable in the circumstances.

Id get letters from every parking building in town confirming you cant park there, then site the bylaws for P&D and take photos of every bike park in a 5km radius of your work over every day of the week at the time you arrive at work and go from there.

I am very interested in this and am willing to contribute time to get it sorted for the greater good.

[DougieNZ]

The problem with parking on footpaths is that it is illegal. It also blocks them particularly for blind people and disabled people in wheelchairs. What you might think is OK for able bodied people can cause an obstruction for these groups.

Yes, there might be a few spaces available that do not obsruct, however the overall concept is that footpaths are NOT for vehicles! The other problems is that who decides whether it is or is not an obstruction? Best to have 1 rule. No vehicles on footpaths.

YES there is problem in some cities with lack of space. That's where I think that the 1 space 1 park protest would be a good one to do.

[Renegade]

The problem with parking on footpaths is that it is illegal. It also blocks them particularly for blind people and disabled people in wheelchairs. What you might think is OK for able bodied people can cause an obstruction for these groups.

Yes, there might be a few spaces available that do not obsruct, however the overall concept is that footpaths are NOT for vehicles! The other problems is that who decides whether it is or is not an obstruction? Best to have 1 rule. No vehicles on footpaths.

YES there is problem in some cities with lack of space. That's where I think that the 1 space 1 park protest would be a good one to do.

exactly, a metered parking space is exactlt that, my money is as good as anyone elses, i should be able to park a hotdog machine there as long as i payfor the park.

[homer]

I was in Melbourne the week before last and there were bikes parked neatly everywhere on the pavements. I presume the City Fathers have sanctioned this and if so, they deserve a big round of praise for an enlightened view.

Yes not 100% sure but i think they can they all park to the edge of the pavement
and it dosnt block off anyone getting to there car

[homer]

OK.... Let me tell ya whats gonna happen. Trust me, I worked for Min of Justice for 5 years..... What is gonna happen is firstly, they are going to ask you if you disputed this with the issuing authority, yes or no. If yes, what did they say. If they refused to withdraw it then you are obliged to pay the ticket. If they did withdraw it then your problem would have dissapeared. What some people fail to realise is that the Ministry of Justice is just like Baycorp, they are a "Collections Agency" of sorts. All that will happen is the your 40 dollar ticket will then have 30 dollars court costs added, then if you go up in front of the judge they will add another 100 or 150, also be aware that the judge can decide to "up" your ticket...... All that's gonna happen here is having the courts on ya arse. Be aware that they can deuct this money directly form your income, benefit or bank account if you refuse to pay. They can also send bailiffs to your house to take personal belongings to cover cost.
It may just be easier to suck it up, pay ya 40 bucks and just not park on the footpath again?


This is all very true , but i think peoples need to think of the context at the time .
After all isnt that the way we all lose out .......just pay and shut up
then you wish someone did something

I dont park on the foot path
but i dont feed the meter either
i pay road tax , its fucken well mine to park on

[Nasty]

Another way of looking at it is that most buildings in Wellington have car parks ... most of these have spaces which a bike will fit and not a car ... speak to your facilities person (the person who deals with the landlord) and see if you are allowed to park your bike in that area. I know many people who do this ... sometimes takes a bit of smarts to work it through ... but great to have a bike under shelter and secure.

[jaykay]

OK.... Let me tell ya whats gonna happen. Trust me, I worked for Min of Justice for 5 years..... What is gonna happen is firstly, they are going to ask you if you disputed this with the issuing authority, yes or no. If yes, what did they say. If they refused to withdraw it then you are obliged to pay the ticket. If they did withdraw it then your problem would have dissapeared. What some people fail to realise is that the Ministry of Justice is just like Baycorp, they are a "Collections Agency" of sorts. All that will happen is the your 40 dollar ticket will then have 30 dollars court costs added, then if you go up in front of the judge they will add another 100 or 150, also be aware that the judge can decide to "up" your ticket...... All that's gonna happen here is having the courts on ya arse. Be aware that they can deuct this money directly form your income, benefit or bank account if you refuse to pay. They can also send bailiffs to your house to take personal belongings to cover cost.
It may just be easier to suck it up, pay ya 40 bucks and just not park on the footpath again?

Sorry, I wouldn't trust anyone who has worked for the Ministry Of (In)Justice, without exception all the ones I have dealt with (twenty?) have given very biased advice - and the only parts of the law they know are the ones that benefit them. There are very good ways of fighting parking tickets, and often the costs of collection will be more than you may eventually have to pay (if you have to pay at all). If you are prepared to do some letter writing prepare for a battle.

Stage one - never respond to the original ticket - a reminder notice has to be sent. Make sure you reply to the Reminder Notice just before the due date (the later the better) thus "Without a copy of the original ticket number xxxxxxx a hearing is requested". Your response to their reply may depend on what comes back - and they only have six months to get the ticket into court. There are other ways of giving them hell - Trust me! I've just had to take the council to the High Court where I won $50 in costs - probably cost the council a couple of thousand.......what fun.

[RT527]

Sorry, I wouldn't trust anyone who has worked for the Ministry Of (In)Justice, without exception all the ones I have dealt with (twenty?) have given very biased advice - and the only parts of the law they know are the ones that benefit them. There are very good ways of fighting parking tickets, and often the costs of collection will be more than you may eventually have to pay (if you have to pay at all). If you are prepared to do some letter writing prepare for a battle.

Stage one - never respond to the original ticket - a reminder notice has to be sent. Make sure you reply to the Reminder Notice just before the due date (the later the better) thus "Without a copy of the original ticket number xxxxxxx a hearing is requested". Your response to their reply may depend on what comes back - and they only have six months to get the ticket into court. There are other ways of giving them hell - Trust me! I've just had to take the council to the High Court where I won $50 in costs - probably cost the council a couple of thousand.......what fun.


Cool so you punish others cause the rates go up to cover the 2000 shortfall the council just lost ....but I like your thinking ...hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.

[yungatart]

Another way of looking at it is that most buildings in Wellington have car parks ... most of these have spaces which a bike will fit and not a car ... speak to your facilities person (the person who deals with the landlord) and see if you are allowed to park your bike in that area. I know many people who do this ... sometimes takes a bit of smarts to work it through ... but great to have a bike under shelter and secure.

Good point, Nasty.
I went and spoke to the caretaker at school about safe bike parking for Zac and I. Most kids ride scooters and there is a designated grass area for them to park on, but it isn't suitable for bikes.
We are now allowed to park in the No Parking zones at the end of the angle car parks. Problem solved.

[Squiggles]

How about you all try something like we are in auckland,


threads here:http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62728&highlight=Council+Bike+Parking
and here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=58710&page=10&highlight=Council+Bike+Parking

Which followed on from this one here (which sums up quite nicely what was happening): http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=58185&highlight=Council+Bike+Parking


All we did was turn up to their transport committee's meeting (Ixion for BRONZ with his brilliant letter and perfect answers to their questions, Myself (For the uni bike club), 8 or 9 of our members, and Crashe & Klingon) Enough to make our presence felt. The outcomes are also posted in the first thread i linked to. We will now take this to the next step (previously the manager of parking was ignoring us, now he must report back on what he's doing to rectify the situation)

[Nasty]

Sorry, I wouldn't trust anyone who has worked for the Ministry Of (In)Justice, without exception all the ones I have dealt with (twenty?) have given very biased advice - and the only parts of the law they know are the ones that benefit them. There are very good ways of fighting parking tickets, and often the costs of collection will be more than you may eventually have to pay (if you have to pay at all). If you are prepared to do some letter writing prepare for a battle.

Stage one - never respond to the original ticket - a reminder notice has to be sent. Make sure you reply to the Reminder Notice just before the due date (the later the better) thus "Without a copy of the original ticket number xxxxxxx a hearing is requested". Your response to their reply may depend on what comes back - and they only have six months to get the ticket into court. There are other ways of giving them hell - Trust me! I've just had to take the council to the High Court where I won $50 in costs - probably cost the council a couple of thousand.......what fun.

And if it wasn't in the council bylaws you could ... but it is ... it says that bikes are not allowed to park on the footpaths .. or something of those lines.

[sAsLEX]

I was in Melbourne the week before last and there were bikes parked neatly everywhere on the pavements. I presume the City Fathers have sanctioned this and if so, they deserve a big round of praise for an enlightened view.

Just got back from Europe, they park them everywhere there. Paris half the cars seemed to be half up on the pavement and every tree and lamppost nearly had a scoot chained to it!

[sunhuntin]

Sorry, I wouldn't trust anyone who has worked for the Ministry Of (In)Justice, without exception all the ones I have dealt with (twenty?) have given very biased advice - and the only parts of the law they know are the ones that benefit them. There are very good ways of fighting parking tickets, and often the costs of collection will be more than you may eventually have to pay (if you have to pay at all). If you are prepared to do some letter writing prepare for a battle.
.


str8 jacket is a very well respected member here... i would listen and respect what she, and the other senior members here, have to say. better to listen now than to waste your time and money simply cos you want to break either the law or local bylaws.

btw... i also park on a footpath, but very very rarely and more often than not, theres no parks on the road nearby [post office]. i make damn sure the bike is as far away from usuable path as possible [inbetween 2 posts on slippy "stone" paving. fuggin horrid to park on in the wet due to stand slipping] usually im there less than 5 mins, depending on the line.

[sAsLEX]

Best to have 1 rule. No vehicles on footpaths.


How do you fine a bicycle parked on the pavement against a tree etc?

What about a motorcycle in a bicycle park?

[Finn]

ummm

FOOTpath ???

just my 2c

ummm

FASTlane ???

just my 2c

[Swoop]

ummm

FOOTpath ???

just my 2c
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RUSH hour ???

just my 2c


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[yod]

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