Henry

[Mully]

Graham Henry has kept his job....

Discuss:

[skelstar]

Bit surprised... what do you think Mully? ...since you started the thread.

[Finn]

Who's Graham Henry?

[Clockwork]

It was a foregone conclusion when he reapplied. I reckon he only reapplied becuse he'd been given the nod.

Lets hope Robbie Deans isn't a successful with the Wallabies as he is with the Crusaders.

[Mully]

Bit surprised... what do you think Mully? ...since you started the thread.

I think he deserved it. Hasn't lost a game at home, won 42 of 48 (I think) and the ABs are well and truly the number one team in the world. And the number 2 team as well if you think about it.

Rumour has it, the NZRU wanted to send a message that the world cup isn't the be all and and end all.

Don't forget, the AB's are a huge marketing advantage for the NZRU (how many AB Jersey's do they sell overseas??), and you get that for being number 1, not always for being World Champs.

[imdying]

What's he do then?

[Tank]

What's he do then?

Holiday in France mostly.

[ManDownUnder]

What's he do then?

Good Q - but I think I finally cracked it...he gets Fijians and Tongans that are good at rugby, dresses them in black and makes them run around a lot.

Seriously though. Good job. His track records impressive and those better qualified than me made a decision which is going to go against the punters always baying for blood after a failure to secure a major trohy

FFS... how many teams were in the World Cup? Does that prove all bar one are not the best person for the job?

NO

[PuppetMaster]

A good decision in my opinion. Deans wasnt qualified anyway. id rather have seen Gatland if a change was required.
Give Henry a couple more years and see what develops.

We have this problem in this country, particuarly with rugby. The coach/manager takes ALL of the blame when it goes wrong.
If your gonna sack Ted for loosing that one game, then surely the captain should also be dropped, not to mention the numpties on the RFU board.

[Mully]

And if I had the option of:
Losing everything but the World Cup; or
Winning most of the games, but dropping the Cup

I know which I'd choose.

[98tls]

A good decision in my opinion. Deans wasnt qualified anyway. id rather have seen Gatland if a change was required.
Give Henry a couple more years and see what develops.

We have this problem in this country, particuarly with rugby. The coach/manager takes ALL of the blame when it goes wrong.
If your gonna sack Ted for loosing that one game, then surely the captain should also be dropped, not to mention the numpties on the RFU board. Explain if you will how Deans is not qualified to coach the All Blacks.Henry didnt just lose that one game,by losing it he forfeited the next two which to me is the same as a loss,thank god we didnt have to play Argentina as that would he been more embarrassing.Henry didnt have a clue in that French game in fact he might just as well not have been there as he did nothing but watch it slip away.Not saying i am surprised hes kept his job this is NZ after all,so what can we expect for the super 14 i wonder,top players being rested,as for the All Blacks is it to be more mindless rotation? methinks that or something just as ridiculous.Henrys time with Wales ended in disaster i guess NZRFU sees Wales as something to aim for.As for the two year contract,wtf is that about?If they had faith he would have got them through to the next cup,if they have doubts why bother and give him the shove as they have to others?Robbie Deans years with the Crusaders have shown him more than able to coach the All Blacks as lets face for many of those years the Crusaders were the All Blacks.I would be willing to put up with some losses over the next two years to see the back of Mr Henry and would enjoy a deans coached team to inflict them.

[skelstar]

A good decision in my opinion. Deans wasnt qualified anyway.
Umm...what more did he have to do? I hope coaching Australia doesn't make him qualified.

Anyone else going to be nervous next Tri-Nations if Deans gets the other job?

[6ft5]

My humble contribution, and I don't know much about rugby, is that it is all overrated. Who cares about rugby when you can enjoy riding a bike! :2guns:

[enigma51]

He has been reconditioned so thats why he got the job back!

[enigma51]

Who's Graham Henry?

I think he rides a honda :whistle:

[Hitcher]

Rumour has it, the NZRU wanted to send a message that the world cup isn't the be all and and end all.

Really? What else is there? Boring-as-pig-shit tri-nations "tests" and similarly yawnish matches against Canada or France B doesn't really leave much to look forward to. And this year's planned test match between Australia and NZ in Hong Kong is the beginning of the end, as increasing numbers of tests played in large foreign stadiums will become the norm. It's hard to see how NZ can retain talented players to the big money on offer from European clubs, given that players place no status on the Black jersey.

Rugby Union is a sport that while we may be good at it, New Zealand can no longer afford to pay for it.

[PuppetMaster]

I suspect there will be no reconditioning, and less rotation from now on.

Can you blame players for going to europe to make a buck ?
especially those fringe players.

[enigma51]

So when the AB's beat the Aussies in the Tri-Nations....Whos the better coach ?

J Burgess.!

[Finn]

I think he rides a honda :whistle:

Couldn't do. Even Honda's win sometimes.

[Dave-]

brilliant.

now we get to keep deans for the super 14!

[Pwalo]

I think they should have picked the Aussie netball coach - she scares the hell out of me.

I think there are long memories at the NZRFU. They're still twitching over the Mitchell-Deans era.

[98tls]

So when the AB's beat the Aussies in the Tri-Nations....Whos the better coach ? As hitcher said.Still wondering why Deans isnt qualified to coach the All Blacks?

[enigma51]

Couldn't do. Even Honda's win sometimes.

So did he ...... or so i get told everytime i bring up the world cup.

[enigma51]

As hitcher said.Still wondering why Deans isnt qualified to coach the All Blacks?

He did not want to bend over and take one for the team like all the other rugby players and coaches

[98tls]

brilliant.

now we get to keep deans for the super 14! Yea there is that,as long as Mr Auckland keeps his ideas to himself and the best players are allowed to play.God knows whats going through his shifty little mind now he back in business.

[enigma51]

I think they should have picked the Aussie netball coach - she scares the hell out of me.

I think there are long memories at the NZRFU. They're still twitching over the Mitchell-Deans era.

they rugby players they dont think about anything for longer that 20s

[Hitcher]

Can you blame players for going to europe to make a buck ?
especially those fringe players.

No I can't. They are professionals. Their loyalty is, undertandably, to the dollar and to their future earnings. Being an All Black is only a means to an end with most of them -- it's the highest-paying role for rugby players in New Zealand and a great showcase for their talents internationally.

Sadly rugby is now all about the money, rather than any of the "tradition" that the NZRU wants to exploit for financial advantage. Even worse, the NZRU want to cash in on that "tradition", one that past players built for no financial reward.

It's not "our game" anymore. That right has been sold to commercial sponsors.

Me? I've always been a Phoenix fan.

[skelstar]

Me? I've always been a Phoenix fan.
Bet you've never watched a last game of the season!

Theres been the odd Rugby player that has stayed in NZ aside from short stints OS because they want to give something back... and they are regarded highly as a result.

[Mully]

Really? What else is there? Boring-as-pig-shit tri-nations "tests" and similarly yawnish matches against Canada or France B doesn't really leave much to look forward to. And this year's planned test match between Australia and NZ in Hong Kong is the beginning of the end, as increasing numbers of tests played in large foreign stadiums will become the norm. It's hard to see how NZ can retain talented players to the big money on offer from European clubs, given that players place no status on the Black jersey.

Rugby Union is a sport that while we may be good at it, New Zealand can no longer afford to pay for it.

This is my point, if NZ held the Cup, but were ranked, say 5th in the world as a team, the marketing would be impossible. The NZRU wouldn't be able to organise these games in vast stadiums overseas. They wouldn't sell as many AB jerseys overseas as they do in NZ.

All about the money. Had to be really, cos league was too. We either lose our top rugby players to overseas or league.

Maybe they should make it that overseas based players can play for the ABs. But then, that would kill local grassroots rugby....

It's a quandry, but from this point of view, has little to do with Graham Henry (or Robbie Deans for that matter)

[Skyryder]

Fucking dumb keeping Henry.:stupid: I'm changing codes in protest. :soon:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

brilliant.

now we get to keep deans for the super 14!

Don't bet on it. The Aussies will be offering plenty. What ever team Deans is coaching in the next world cup I'm rooting for them.


Skyryder

[Big Dave]

Henry is OK - but 'Mrs Brown you've got a lovely Daughter' was a better song.

[PuppetMaster]

Dont get me wrong. i totally agree. its all about the mighty dollar now, not the black jersey. How hard it is for Joe public to get tickets to see the AB's play ? near impossible.


Why Deans should have missed out.
Deans was the architect of destruction for the 2003 World Cup. John Mitchell took the fall but Deans was the backs coach who made the decision not to take Cullen. It was the backs who let us down (together with poor captaincy) and that all lays at Deans' feet.
And. his lack of international coaching experience.

[PuppetMaster]

Don't bet on it. The Aussies will be offering plenty. What ever team Deans is coaching in the next world cup I'm rooting for them. Skyryder


Thats the spirit. i bet you also support Chelsea, and vote Green.
Plastic fans.

[enigma51]

Rugby supporters must like Max Baiggi cause they moan about everthing other than the real reason just as much.

The All Blacks lost they are not the world champs and blaming every coach/ref player aint changing it for nothing. '



fuck i hate rugby

[skelstar]

fuck i hate rugby
Thats what Max Biaggi would say.

[enigma51]

Thats what Max Biaggi would say.

Just getting into the swing of blaming thats all

[Maha]

Umm...what more did he have to do? I hope coaching Australia doesn't make him qualified.



They should have gone with someone fucken' hard like Mark Shaw (doesnt need to speak much ) or Andy Earl (also doesnt need to speak much)...enough of this namby pamby bullshit 'take it easy guys'!

[jim.cox]

Graham Henry has kept his job....

Discuss:


Deans for Coach

Henry is a loser

[jim.cox]

brilliant.

now we get to keep deans for the super 14!


More likely Aussie will bag him

and then they really will piss all over the AB's

[Swoop]

Who the fuck cares?

[ceebie13]

Sports fanatics are all the same. Their passion for the game, whether it be Rugby or tiddlywinks seems to make them all experts.

I'm not really a fan of Rugby, (it's a weedy little town, lol) but surely it was the players who lost "that" game in France? Not the coach.

I can understand Steve McClaren getting the push for continued poor form with England United, but not Henry for one loss, surely to God?

[Skyryder]

Thats the spirit. i bet you also support Chelsea, and vote Green.
Plastic fans.


I'm a Gunners fan. As for the Greens they all red to me. Plastic?? Yep sorta of. Great believer in recycling...............like the soul gets a second chance based on it's karma.

Skyryder

[Big Dave]

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TFF ran into former All Blacks captain Sean Fitzpatrick shortly after the New Zealand team had ingloriously flamed out of the World Cup at the hands of the French. When I expressed the view that the failure surely meant the end of the reign of Graham Henry as coach, he rather strongly expressed the contrary view. He said that one bad game did not change the fact that Henry was the best rugby coach in New Zealand and that he should be reappointed. And so it has proved. Which leaves the celebrated Canterbury Crusaders coach, Robbie Deans, all dressed up with no place to go. Except to us. Except to become Wallabies coach. Smart money is pouring in on him to do exactly that. Let this, then, be a last plea to prevent it.
Deans is a fine man, a great coach, a credit to rugby and everything else you'd want in a national coach - except one thing. He is not of the nation he is coaching. Certainly, that does not worry the soccer crowd, or most of the Test cricketing nations, who are always happy to have a well-credentialled foreigner. But the Wallabies having a former All Black as coach, a New Zealander? Us, against our most cherished rivals, hauling up the white flag and saying that, yes, you're right, you are the superior rugby nation, so superior that we are reduced to taking your second-best coach and making him our best coach? It is against nature. I want it stopped. You want it stopped. Let's stop it.

[Conquiztador]

The words of a man who was expecting respect: "Judge me on the World Cup performance".

He has now apoligized for keeping the players out of Super 14. But that is as far as he goes. He is adament that he did everything else perfectly.

The reasons for the failure of winning the World Cup? His words: "The referee and the bounce of the ball"

With my lack of understanding of this game and my simplistic view, would it not then be cheaper and more secure to buy the referee and get a ball that does not bounce?

[bull]

Great News that Henry has got the job again - seems we roast the losing coach each time and then wonder why the new coach has the same failiure 4 yrs later, finally the NZRFU have woken up and thought "geez Henry must have learnt something from this, lets give him the reigns again and see what he does to change the next result".

Gutted to possibly lose Deans to aussie but guess he goes where the money is on offer.
Is that the same as a SELLOUT ? In which case it would give our ABs big incentive to thrash Aussie every chance they get.

[crazefox]

go henry:beer::beer::beer:

[Skyryder]

Those dipsticks re-emplyed Henry.............for two years and risked loosing Deans...........for that amount of time..............two years. I think some of them have been in the scrum too much.

Skyryder

[MisterD]

Great News that Henry has got the job again - seems we roast the losing coach each time and then wonder why the new coach has the same failiure 4 yrs later, finally the NZRFU have woken up and thought "geez Henry must have learnt something from this, lets give him the reigns again and see what he does to change the next result".

Henry should have gone, he sacrificed everything, and ruined the S14 in the name of winning the world cup - and failed. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

The only reason he has kept his job, is that those making the hiring decision are equally complicit and to replace him would be to admit that.

[nallac]

yes henry fuct up with the rest and rotation policys

we where beatin by a team that wanted to win more.


i still think hes a bloody good coach and am happy hes got the job again.

[oldrider]

New Zealand will never again win a World Rugby Cup and rugby will slide off into oblivion in New Zealand.

Think it can't happen?

Watch this space!

Damn stupid rugby Union are blind and arrogant shortsighted bastards! :doh: Sadly, John.

[Hoon]

As hitcher said.Still wondering why Deans isnt qualified to coach the All Blacks?

He doesn't have the experience. Never coached an international side before. Never coached overseas. Other than his Crusader Super 14 titles (which Henry also has with the Blues), his CV is a little light.

Also the chances of him coaching the Wallabies is as likely as an Aussie coaching the All Blacks.

Yes he's a great coach but he can't match Henry's credentials.

Good that Henry kept the job. He's definately the best we've got. Can't blame him or the team for the refs mistake and even though nobody will say it out loud you can be sure thats what they're thinking behind closed doors.

[Skyryder]

He doesn't have the experience. Never coached an international side before. Never coached overseas. Other than his Crusader Super 14 titles (which Henry also has with the Blues), his CV is a little light.

Also the chances of him coaching the Wallabies is as likely as an Aussie coaching the All Blacks.

Yes he's a great coach but he can't match Henry's credentials.

Good that Henry kept the job. He's definately the best we've got. Can't blame him or the team for the refs mistake and even though nobody will say it out loud you can be sure thats what they're thinking behind closed doors.

:finger::spanking: That's for the post: not the man who wrote it. :yes:


Skyryder

[Cajun]

noe on the flip side Deans is the coach of the aussies


LATEST: New Zealand's Robbie Deans has become the first foreigner to be appointed Wallabies coach, with the Australian Rugby Union today confirming a four-year deal for the man the All Blacks didn't want.

[Mully]

Didn't expect a 4 year deal. Thought he would do a couple of years with Strayer and take over the ABs heading into the 2011 Cup.

Don't think the NZRU saw it coming either. Guess Graham Henry has the next cup too.