More One Tire Rule Rubbish (BSB)

[Cajun]

British Superbike is going to spec tires for the next three seasons and Pirelli has won the contract to supply the series.

The British Superbike deal was hotly contested by Pirelli and Dunlop. The loss of the British Superbike supply contract is a bitter blow to Dunlop, coming in close order to the company's exit from MotoGP. But the British company will now be able to further concentrate its racing efforts in the AMA Superbike Series, which it has dominated in terms of race wins and Championships for decades.

Pirelli is already the spec tire for the World Superbike Series, the Canadian Superbike Series and the MOTO-ST Series.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/mcn/2007/december/dec10-16/dec1307britishsuperbikesandbritishsupersportonpire llis2008/?&R=EPI-97537

I mean i can see the benfits of one tire rule, but total don't agree or believe them.

Its starting to get more and more common in more production bike racing circles espially europian based.

[skelstar]

What are the benefits and why don't you agree with them?

[The Stranger]

What are the benefits

Big money for the organisers?

[Mental Trousers]

One tyre rules tend to make it more expensive for competitors because the big tyre companies are no longer paying them to test the tyres.

[Cajun]

What are the benefits and why don't you agree with them?

in theory it meant to bring the price down for people, and put people on more even playing field with out tires making such a issue like they say wasin motogp between bridgestone and michelin.

But many teams design/set there bikes up for one brand and been using that brand for 10 years and have a great working relationship and are made to use another brand, who they are have not supported, and you telling me that tire brand isn't gonna help the people that supported them first other than other people who made to.

I know they all use same batch tires so one brand can't have one tire made for htem and another for them, but the problem is some of the bigger teams have input in how the tires are made.

[Teambwr47]

The tyre issue in BSB and British Supersport has for a long long time been about who are the favoured teams.

There are a number of teams running bikes more than capable of winning that have been restricted access to a certain level of tyre that's available to some of the selected 'works' teams. Even if you are a Dunlop supported rider/team you will not have the same tyres that the 'selected' teams get. You only have to watch at the Dunlop enclosure in the paddock to see where certain wheels go for tyre changes to see it first hand.

It is widely accepted that the tyres that have been available by Dunlop and Michelin to their 'selected' teams have a significant advantage in terms of lap times over the customer tyres everyone else gets. This has applied to race and qualifier tyres and makes a difference of up to about a second per lap on some circuits. When the top riders are that second away from lesser teams who are still spending maybe $500,000NZ+ a season you can understand why many teams have pushed for the rule.

Dunlop are the established bench mark tyre in the BSB series as far as slicks go, with Michelin just being used by the works Honda's. Don't forget that the Dunlop and Michelin tyres in BSB have full works backing so to speak and are the best tyres available and developed outside of MotoGP as far as Michelin is concerned as BSB is there recognised development series.

For Dunlop not to get the series tyre support is a huge story but not unexpected what with Pirelli supplying WSB and the series having such strong links via promoters. Of course the fact that the company is Italian will have had nothing to do with the choice...:whistle: :spanking:

I think its a good move but also a shame because Dunlop's development of tyres is now likely to slow or stop in terms of race tyres.

Cost wise for the bigger teams i think it will be less but for smaller teams it may stay about the same so long as Pirelli don't get greedy with their contract.

Next seasons BSB and BSS seasons could very well bring some surprises results wise as riders with good bikes suddenly find themselves on a level playing field tyre wise.

[Shaun]

The tyre issue in BSB and British Supersport has for a long long time been about who are the favoured teams.

There are a number of teams running bikes more than capable of winning that have been restricted access to a certain level of tyre that's available to some of the selected 'works' teams. Even if you are a Dunlop supported rider/team you will not have the same tyres that the 'selected' teams get. You only have to watch at the Dunlop enclosure in the paddock to see where certain wheels go for tyre changes to see it first hand.

It is widely accepted that the tyres that have been available by Dunlop and Michelin to their 'selected' teams have a significant advantage in terms of lap times over the customer tyres everyone else gets. This has applied to race and qualifier tyres and makes a difference of up to about a second per lap on some circuits. When the top riders are that second away from lesser teams who are still spending maybe $500,000NZ+ a season you can understand why many teams have pushed for the rule.

Dunlop are the established bench mark tyre in the BSB series as far as slicks go, with Michelin just being used by the works Honda's. Don't forget that the Dunlop and Michelin tyres in BSB have full works backing so to speak and are the best tyres available and developed outside of MotoGP as far as Michelin is concerned as BSB is there recognised development series.

For Dunlop not to get the series tyre support is a huge story but not unexpected what with Pirelli supplying WSB and the series having such strong links via promoters. Of course the factal that the company is Italian will have had nothing to do with the choice...:whistle: :spanking:

I think its a good move but also a shame because Dunlop's development of tyres is now likely to slow or stop in terms of race tyres.

Cost wise for the bigger teams i think it will be less but for smaller teams it may stay about the same so long as Pirelli don't get greedy with their contract.

Next seasons BSB and BSS seasons could very well bring some surprises results wise as riders with good bikes suddenly find themselves on a level palying field tyre wise.


exactually, well said that x pom man

[Cajun]

nice reply Teambwr47

[skidMark]

i use dunlops and only dunlops , they are all i trust.

if they said i could not run tyres i trusted and had to run say bridgestones.

i would not go.

bridgestones are bloodey horrible.

[onearmedbandit]

Is that coming from your vast experience with top-notch race rubber mark?

[Shaun]

i use dunlops and only dunlops , they are all i trust.

if they said i could not run tyres i trusted and had to run say bridgestones.

i would not go.

bridgestones are bloodey horrible.


Bridgestones are actually quite good these days,

It really just comes down to rider to be smart enough to figure out the tyres that work best on there bike, and to set the suspension to work with that tyre brand

[AllanB]

They should have Chieng Shins as control tyres - them we would see some interesting racing! :niceone:

Ah the tyre discussions - I find the best ones tend to be round with air in them, I will not settle for anything less. :bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

And how come tyres in NZ have not got cheaper with our stronger dollar????

[skidMark]

Is that coming from your vast experience with top-notch race rubber mark?


my point is i would stick to what i like...if they said hey youve gotta run say pirellis...and i rode on them and went no these are horrible, i would refuse to race.

tyres and brakes are your life, if you cant trust them, your not going to be competitive.

[Shaun]

my point is i would stick to what i like...if they said hey youve gotta run say pirellis...and i rode on them and went no these are horrible, i would refuse to race.

tyres and brakes are your life, if you cant trust them, your not going to be competitive.


If others can use them, so should you be able to

So stay home and do not learn any thing different then apart from what you already know

[Katman]

i use dunlops and only dunlops , they are all i trust.

if they said i could not run tyres i trusted and had to run say bridgestones.

i would not go.

bridgestones are bloodey horrible.

I've just heard that on the strength of your post alone, Dunlop have decided to withdraw from all areas of motorcycle tyre manufacture. You have broken their spirit. Nice one skidMark!

[Storm]

Bridgestones are actually quite good these days,

It really just comes down to rider to be smart enough to figure out the tyres that work best on there bike, and to set the suspension to work with that tyre brand

You never miss a chance to advertise do you? :Pokey: :bleh: