When is a knife not a knife?

[Donor]

[beer inspired rant]

Oh for gods sakes...

I am a staunch hater of all things PC (unless I can play games or surf porn on it) but this really rips my already well worn undies!

According to everyones favourite bollocks sheet, the Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10482514) it's perfectly fine for the Sikhs to carry knives/daggers around our schools, whether they be students or parents.

For Beelzebub's sakes, it's insulting to even call it a dagger or a knife!

MADNESS!

It's long and pointy, it's a fucking KNIFE!

Wake up you goddamn hippy sacks of crap allegedly charged with representing us, get these WEAPONS out of our schools, and off our streets!

Lucifer, we send the AOS after kiddies (non-toweled) waving water pistols around, yet it's culturally acceptable and correct to allow exceptions for this shit?

[/beer inspired rant]

[sunhuntin]

note they also carry them on planes, whereas you and i cannot even take a sewing or knitting needle.

[Donor]

note they also carry them on planes, whereas you and i cannot even take a sewing or knitting needle.

Of course not, we might trip and take the pilots eye out...

[sunhuntin]

yes... while they, wearing their man dresses have NO chance of tripping at all...

[Donor]

For Sikhs, kirpan is the symbol of power and freedom of spirit.

Funny, the bludz and the cryps probably feel the same way.

Yet if one of the home boys was spotted walking through East Tamaki with so much as a boy scout pocket knife, he'd be banged up against a wall and sent to the pokey quick as anything!

[0arbreaka]

What about if I was carrying a Dirk, would I be allowed, I mean Ive got a bit of scottish blood in me, so I could say its culturaly important to me.

[sAsLEX]

What about if I was carrying a Dirk, would I be allowed, I mean Ive got a bit of scottish blood in me, so I could say its culturaly important to me.

I would go for a Claymore myself, a little more intimidating.

[Mom]

GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to you Donor!!!!!!!!!!!!! Though I have to say my balls are much smaller than yours, you posted this... Bless you.

I have managed to keep my blood just below boiling point today since reading that article. And here you are drawing it to my couple of wines relaxed fingers!!!

I have no problem with anyone having a faith, believing in what ever, having to eat certain foods, or not eat them, dress a certain way or not. Have little bells under the engines of their bikes to ward off the crash monster......I have heard them all I am sure.

This however appeals to a baser side of my nature.

Knives at school! FUCK OFF!

My understanding is that devotees of this faith have to wear a kirpan or a likeness of.

Kirpan comes from the words "kirpa" and "aan": kirpa means an act of kindness or a favour and aan means honour, respect, and self-respect.

It is an instrument which adds to self-respect and self-defence.

For Sikhs, kirpan is the symbol of power and freedom of spirit.

All baptised Sikhs should wear a short form of kirpan - about 15cm to 22cm long - on their body. To call it a dagger or knife is insulting to this article of faith.

Bit like Christians carry the cross that Jesus carrie, symbolised by a tiny silver or gold one on a dainty chain around your neck.

Yes you are welcome to your beliefs, please add to the diverse culture that is becoming NZ, but leave your fucken swords at home!

:love: Mom

[bull]

How dare they try and preserve their culture by practising their faith.

[Donor]

How dare they try and preserve their culture by practising their faith.

You're right.

Let me go read my bible in a rampantly muslim country, so's I can play the victim as well...

[sAsLEX]

How dare they try and preserve their culture by practising their faith.

Whilst ignoring the rules of the country and society they have decided to live in?

[McJim]

I can carry a skean dhu (black dagger) anywhere I like if I'm in my kilt. It's part of my heritage and is worn in the right sock....I usually take the piss but in this instance I shit you not.

[blue eyed savage]

you cant have WEAPONS in schools. unless ur police or army i gess

[sAsLEX]

I can carry a skean dhu (black dagger) anywhere I like if I'm in my kilt. It's part of my heritage and is worn in the right sock....I usually take the piss but in this instance I shit you not.

On planes? Can you name it Muhammed in Suadi Arabia?

[McJim]

On planes? Can you name it Muhammed in Suadi Arabia?

When they try to take it off of me I just stab them...I'm from Glasgow dontcherknow?:rofl:

By the way - I haven't clicked the link coz if it's not important enough to be written in KB verbatim than it ain't important enough to click through to....

[Donor]

By the way - I haven't clicked the link coz if it's not important enough to be written in KB verbatim than it ain't important enough to click through to....

I'd have pasted the article, but frankly I couldn't be arsed...

Wish there was a more complex and entertaining explanation, but I guess being so far sooth has made ye soft!

[Toaster]

As usual wetpants overpaid redtape twats and Uncle Clark and her lefty hump a whale greeny club allow these people to carry knives (oh excuse me... religious symbols) around when they a moment later label mainstream christians and caring parents as child beaters for wanting the right as parents to lightly smack an errant child who deserves and needs a bit correction and discipline.

Double standards.

I will remember that fact the next time I want to hijack a plane to pick one with Sikhs on board so I can overpower them with a really wet bus ticket and "borrow" their little religious knives.

[sAsLEX]

When they try to take it off of me I just stab them...I'm from Glasgow dontcherknow?:rofl:


The only town in the world were someone will try beat up someone already on fire!...... respect

[McJim]

The only town in the world were someone will try beat up someone already on fire!...... respect

Stupid cunt set himself on fire - deserved a kicking...

[pritch]

I can carry a skean dhu (black dagger) anywhere I like if I'm in my kilt. It's part of my heritage and is worn in the right sock....

McJim, I was going to mention this other example of culturally appropriate weaponry, but unfortunately I couldn't spell "skean dhu". :whistle:

[pritch]

The only town in the world were someone will try beat up someone already on fire!...... respect

They weren't beating him up, they were just checking if he was cooked...

[fireball]

note they also carry them on planes, whereas you and i cannot even take a sewing or knitting needle.

ahh but i got on a plane with my knife, customs looked at it and gave it back to me..... yes its sharp and could do alot of damage.....:innocent:

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm English, I'm gonna take a Long bow on a plane with me lol

-Indy

[Swoop]

Being descended from good Smuggler stock... I look forward to the culturally sensitive approach of allowing me legally to carry my firearms with me at all times.

I'm just not too sure of them having to be flinters and muzzle-stuffers. Bloody rotten-egg powder...

[Wolf]

In one previous life I was a tribesman and fought against the Romans and in another I fought the French at Azincourt up in the Pas de Calais. In yet another I lived in the 1700s and carried weapons for self defence.

As reincarnation is integral to my religious beliefs I should be able to carry a long sword, longbow and flintlock pistol...

And anything else Past Life Regression Therapy brings to light (and if the New Agers are right about time being non-linear I might discover a "previous" life was actually in our future and be eligible to carry a Plasma Weapon in the 5MW range).

[Finn]

It's pretty easy to fix. Just pick an unstable son, nephew, cousin and get them to take the sword off them and cut their head off. Then they will be banned for their own safety. What's the beheading of just one raghead for the sanity of man kind?

[jrandom]

i got on a plane with my knife...

:eek5:

Jesus.

Really?

FYI, folks, this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55189) is the knife fireball's talking about. I sold it because it was too girly to keep.

You could still kill someone pretty fucking fast with it, though.

Wonder if they'll let me bring the Chinook on? I don't dare leave it in checked luggage to be stolen, so it usually stays at home when I travel by air.

[davereid]

Sikh also qualify for cycle helmet exemptions... as do rastas. Possily even motorcycle helmet exemption if they were to apply.

[marc34]

I can carry a skean dhu (black dagger) anywhere I like if I'm in my kilt. It's part of my heritage and is worn in the right sock....I usually take the piss but in this instance I shit you not.

My mate from Aberdeen introduced me to the skean dhu a couple of weekends ago at a pub in town, he was in the middle of describing its significance when 2 burley bouncers proceeded to ask him to hand it over as it was a "weapon" - he pleaded the cultural importance but they wouldn't hear it, took us about 2 hours to get it back....

[sAsLEX]

Sikh also qualify for cycle helmet exemptions... as do rastas. Possily even motorcycle helmet exemption if they were to apply.

What I dont get it Sikh's here and in the UK are not required to wear the appropriate headdress in the Police, Navy et al. Sure they have to wear their turban thing, but couldn't they just get a bigger hat that fits over top?! That way they are still wearing their special religious icon and they are uniform? But it seems everyone is afraid these days of offending people.


My mate from Aberdeen introduced me to the skean dhu a couple of weekends ago at a pub in town, he was in the middle of describing its significance when 2 burley bouncers proceeded to ask him to hand it over as it was a "weapon" - he pleaded the cultural importance but they wouldn't hear it, took us about 2 hours to get it back....

Lol do they allow people to drink out of bottle as they are rather effective weapons! Should of gone to the manager the next day or written in to the papers and got them for cultural insensitivity!

[MSTRS]

But it seems everyone is afraid these days of offending people.


Unless they are WASPs....

[vifferman]

When it's a spoon, of course!

[BIGBOSSMAN]

I am of English heritage, is it ok for me to equip my 13 year old with this? It is culturally important to me :)

[Storm]

So I guess all our brown brothers will be taking a 22cm greenstone patu to school/work as its a culturally significant thing, and it'd be wrong to be so crass as to suggest its a FUCKING GREAT WEAPON which could easily be used in schoolyard/workplace arguments.

Not to mention being illegal as a) a concealed weapon and b) an offensive lethal weapon

Never mind, we must bend over backwards in case someone gets in a cultural huff

After all as they say its "It is an instrument which adds to self-respect and self-defence"

Thus, if I feel threatened, its culturally appropriate to knife/club my attacker.

And people wonder why this country is heading for the shitter

[Mikkel]

I'll never get the whole airport security thing.

They can get their knickers in a twist about you having a fucking nail clipper in your carry-on luggage. Yet, after having cleared the security point you can walk 25 meters and buy a bigass glass bottle filled with a readily flammable concentration of ethanol (and cheaper than usual as well). Bloody madness!

But with the Sikhs - by all means let them carry their knives everywhere, they can walk for all I care, though I'd prefer them not to carry them around schools.
What's the next thing? Believing in gun-power and being allowed to carry a Desert Eagle? Then I'd like to claim cultural relations with pikemen and lug a bloody pike on board... Or how about worshipping violence and always carry two sets of knuckledusters?

[gijoe1313]

I guess I can dig my Tai Chi sword out of the closet and start carrying it around as my cultural object! :rofl:

Would be bad I guess if I met a Japanese person possessing a katana and neither of us felt like giving way! :eek:

[P38]

I would go for a Claymore myself, a little more intimidating.

I agree, being able to trace my clan back to the ninth centry I feel it is cultrally insensitive of you lot not to let me Paint my face blue don our tartan and carry my claymore an dirk to the supermarket for a little chopping errr Shopping.

[Donor]

I guess I can dig my Tai Chi sword out of the closet and start carrying it around as my cultural object!

Dude, I keep telling you, that's a letter opener, you're not authentic asian enough to carry a sword!

[gijoe1313]

Dude, I keep telling you, that's a letter opener, you're not authentic asian enough to carry a sword!

Just because I didn't eat my household pets does not make me "not authentic" :oi-grr:

I have an abiding passion to leap up and do round house kicks, the need to speak out of time when I am speaking engrisk, to always squint and nod sagely when white skinned devils are speaking, to always pull out in front of traffic and then drive slowly, the need to always wonder whether I am being ripped off even though I have bargained a shopowner below the cost he got the goods in for, to dial a cellphone and then hang up quickly so I can save the cost of a call when the other person rings me back, to.... :doh: :pinch:

I say too much! Damn you white big-eyed devil!

[sAsLEX]

I agree, being able to trace my clan back to the ninth centry I feel it is cultrally insensitive of you lot not to let me Paint my face blue don our tartan and carry my claymore an dirk to the supermarket for a little chopping errr Shopping.

ummm the blue face painting thing wasn't a highland/braveheart era thing but attributed to the Picts and the last known face painting was around 600.....

[Swoop]

the last known face painting was around 600.....
You haven't been to the Auckland zoo recently then? Face painting is popular there!
(ok, it's with kiddies... lame joke. I'll get my coat.:oi-grr:)

[Storm]

I'll never get the whole airport security thing.

They can get their knickers in a twist about you having a fucking nail clipper in your carry-on luggage. Yet, after having cleared the security point you can walk 25 meters and buy a bigass glass bottle filled with a readily flammable concentration of ethanol (and cheaper than usual as well). Bloody madness!



Dont forget the knives they give you in flight that are easily strong enough to be used as a stabbing weapon-just like the nail file they wont allow?

WTF?

[geoffm]

I carried a pocket knife every day when I was at school, which was over 20 years ago. It was naughty then too, but as long as you didn't flash it around...
I suspect things have got somewhat tougher since, and slicing an apple will get you a police escort (unless you have a turban)

[Chrislost]

Sikh also qualify for cycle helmet exemptions... as do rastas. Possily even motorcycle helmet exemption if they were to apply.

hang them all

[Wolf]

Sikh also qualify for cycle helmet exemptions... as do rastas. Possily even motorcycle helmet exemption if they were to apply.
Sikhs can also get dispensation to cut their hair if it is required. I have a Sikh friend who has neatly cut short hair but is still a devout Sikh - he works for IRD and chooses to adhere to the work dress code rather than make them accept his cultural/religious attire.

He has a neatly trimmed full beard in accordance with their beliefs but keeps the hair neat and short - there is apparently no stigma attached to cutting their hair if conditions (riding a push bike or a motorcycle included) dictate short hair.

[vifferman]

Ok, so let's list some "culturally appropriate" adornments, hmmm?
Grannies Brigade - Queen's Visit 1957 commemorative teaspoon.
Mongrel Mob members, with a slathering bull mastiff strapped to one leg.
The League of Militant Dykes, with dual 10" dildos.
Executive Librarians' Council - "Cancelled" stamps (red inked, of course).
Institute of Chartered Accountants - holster of sharpened HB pencils.
Association of Petty Bureaucrats - Pocket edition of "The Encyclopaedia of Obscure and Annoying Rules and Regulations"
OHS Elite - A carefully holstered plastic spoon, carefully wrapped in a double layer of bubblewrap, with dayglo safety warning stickers, and fenced about with "Danger! Safety Hazard!!" tape.

[Ocean1]

Ok, so let's list some "culturally appropriate" adornments, hmmm?....

True, true, all suitably offensive.

And now you mention it my rabbit's foot is definitely a bit high of late...

[P38]

ummm the blue face painting thing wasn't a highland/braveheart era thing but attributed to the Picts and the last known face painting was around 600.....

Actually the Picts were alive an well and kicking Roman ass much later than this.
Hence the need for Hadrians wall.
Scots an Picts coexsisted together in Scotland, intermarried, fought battles against each other and against the Vikings and Romans at least untill A.D.900.

My Surname can be traced back to the Dalriadian Kings, Scots of Irsh decent who settled in western Scotland and intermarried with the Picts.

An Yes I believe they did paint there faces for battle.

In A.D. 843, Kenneth Mac Alpin ascended the throne as ruler of Alba, the unified kingdom of the Dalriadic Scots and Picts.

Have I bored you enough yet or should I continue?:ride:

[ElCoyote]

note they also carry them on planes, whereas you and i cannot even take a sewing or knitting needle.

Do you do plain or pearl? ;-)

[Wolf]

True, true, all suitably offensive.
Dunno 'bout that - the first four would probably like what Vifferman suggested and the remaining three aren't offensive enough. Especially the OSH one - he omitted the dark glasses to protect their eyes from the glare of the day-glo warning stickers and high-visibility hazard tape (which may have a sharp edge so they'd want those chain-mail gloves that butchers wear), the 105-page Safety Manual for the plastic spoon and the personal Occupational Physiotherapist to ensure they're properly trained to lift and carry a bubble-wrapped plastic spoon without straining themselves...

And don't forget to put warning labels on the bubble-wrap itself advising that it could cause choking if ingested.

[HTFU]

don't know what you are all worried about, looks harmless.

http://www.mef.qc.ca/images/kirpan.gif

[Wolf]

This is what I'd want to carry - ver' Cultural.

And handy for dealing to any bloody Romans as well.

Note: Worn on the right hip and drawn with the right hand. Horses and motorcycles must be mounted from the right side not the left as per modern tradition.

And as it's around a metre long, I can't be accused of "carrying concealed"...

Another cultural possibility is that I be allowed to wander around stark naked except for extensive tattoos and a torc and carry a spear - but summer's coming and I burn badly in the sun.

[PrincessBandit]

GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to you Donor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bit like Christians carry the cross that Jesus carrie, symbolised by a tiny silver or gold one on a dainty chain around your neck.
:love: Mom

mmmmmmmmm, but a cross around the neck is not exactly a "weapon", unless it's one of those huge ones worn tied around a habit or cassock (don't thing anyone in NZ anyway wears them any more). I'm all for the exhibition of personal faith but sometimes I wonder just how much cultural sensitivity we need to keep pouring on here.

[Wolf]

mmmmmmmmm, but a cross around the neck is not exactly a "weapon",
Yeah? Sez you! Just ask any vampire whether a cross is merely a harmless trinket.

[scumdog]

don't know what you are all worried about, looks harmless.

http://www.mef.qc.ca/images/kirpan.gif

Oh, I dunno, a man could skin his knuckles on those nast looking brass pommels!!

[Ocean1]

This is what I'd want to carry - ver' Cultural.


Somewhere in what I like to call my workshop is a 38" sword stick I made years ago. Superb bit of steel, (if a bit light for serious mayhem), but it's in pieces. I wasn’t happy with it and had added spring quillons, (which worked bloody well), then something else shiny took my attention. Must find it, just needs a new grip.

[lb99]

Olá cavalheiro, você mente se eu levar meu machete a bordo dos seus aviões, só incse que falhasse na selva?

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[PrincessBandit]

Yeah? Sez you! Just ask any vampire whether a cross is merely a harmless trinket.

In that case we neglected garlic and holy water. (Although I reckon bad garlic breath is pretty much a deadly weapon)

[mstriumph]

[beer inspired rant]

.........It's long and pointy, it's a fucking KNIFE!.....


erm :rolleyes: ... not necessarily ...............

[Storm]

So what the fuck else do we call a long, sharpened edged steel strip, complete with handel for ease of use and control, designed EXPLICITLY for stabbing and cutting?

Please do tell, I'm just waiting breathlessly to further educate myself.




EDIT- unless of course you are referring to a long and pointed nose? A long pointed pool cue? :bleh:

[LilSel]

:eek5:

Jesus.

Really?

FYI, folks, this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55189) is the knife fireball's talking about. I sold it because it was too girly to keep.



It wasn't that one... Was just an ol red swiss... but still... we were flying domestically, they located it in carryon luggage with the xray machine... took it outta the bag... had a look, pulled out the blade bit, closed it up again & gave it back to us lol. (not the sharpest knife, small blade, guess thats why we got it back)

[sAsLEX]

They are a little more harsh on knives in school in the states

http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

[jrandom]

It wasn't that one... Was just an ol red swiss...

Ahhhh, that's all right then.

Yes, I couldn't imagine anyone being let onto a plane carrying that Kershaw.

[Mikkel]

As for the initial question - When is a knife not a knife?

The answer is if it becomes dull it ceases to be a knife and becomes just a polished elongated piece of metal. (Or a badly designed cudgel I guess)

The purpose of a knife is to cut things - as such it's virtue (more precisely arete) is its sharpness. If it ceases to be sharp it ceases to be a knife.

Unless it is very pointy and then it is a dagger - the purpose of which is stabbing and the arete of which is pointedness.

Let's get to the point - if it can't cut it, it ain't a knife! ;)


Another cultural possibility is that I be allowed to wander around stark naked except for extensive tattoos and a torc and carry a spear - but summer's coming and I burn badly in the sun.

And shrink badly in winter... ;)

[Pancakes]

I have one of these kickin' around somewhere and used to have it on me sometimes. Now that only has one purpose really and they work pretty well when it's you v.s 5 guys bigger than you.

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