Fucking fraudsters

[Quasievil]

I thought it was starting to be a great sales week $7500 ish of sales, great I thought until we learned that we where being targeted by Indonesian fraudsters with dodgey credit card numbers, hey we got the $7500 in the bank in real money BUT the banks will be wanting it all back at some stage which is no problem.

We have sent out three jackets only and NZ post are frantically trying to find the parcel before it leaves NZ.

Im only posting this so you are all aware that this type of activity is rampant, so be careful who you are doing business with.

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[Cajun]

damn that sucks mate.

[Deano]

I thought it was starting to be a great sales week $7500 ish of sales, great I thought until we learned that we where being targeted by Indonesian fraudsters with dodgey credit card numbers, hey we got the $7500 in the bank in real money BUT the banks will be wanting it all back at some stage which is no problem.

We have sent out three jackets only and NZ post are frantically trying to find the parcel before it leaves NZ.

Im only posting this so you are all aware that this type of activity is rampant, so be careful who you are doing business with.

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Hasn't there been a recent call for banks to repay/honour all internet fraud or something or other ?

[jrandom]

Hasn't there been a recent call for banks to repay/honour all internet fraud or something or other ?

Yes. To the customer, the person with the defrauded credit card. In fact, all the big credit card companies offer that guarantee. We touched on it recently in another thread, where someone used the chargeback mechanism to get their money back after ordering household goods at a local store which shut up shop without delivering to them.

The merchant is never indemnified; the onus is effectively on them to guard against fraudulent use of stolen credit card data by their customers, and to hand back any money they charge to those cards.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes, I know of a travel company who got duped by a conman in America using stolen credit card numbers. Those that owned the credit cards were fine, the travel company was about $20,000 out of pocket.

[Fatjim]

There's a lesson to be learnt from dealing with cultures with different ethics than your own.

[jrandom]

There's a lesson to be learnt from dealing with cultures with different ethics than your own.

... don't trust anything you can blindfold with a shoelace?

Edit: Or anything American.

[Tank]

There's a lesson to be learnt from dealing with cultures with different ethics than your own.

In fairness there are plenty of people in my own culture that have different ethics than my own.



But I still rob them.

[SPman]

There's a lesson to be learnt from dealing with cultures with different ethics than your own.
Shit - my culture has got different ethics from my own......:buggerd:

["D" FZ1]

Dirty Fuckers. It's hard enough to make a living as it is without thieving pricks ripping you off. :bash:

[GSVR]

The extremes some cunts will go to to get some nice new shiney Quasimoto leathers.

If they had any brains they would have targeted some big outfit that wouldn't have noticed until it was too late. Maybe they really wanted the Quasimoto brand.

Good thing you caught it before it became an even bigger headache.

[janno]

Sounds like you averted a near disaster - how did you get on to it so quickly? Were they "buying" your gear to resell or to make cheap ripoffs of, do you think?

[Mikkel]

Yeah it's a shame you can't trust people anymore these days... I should know.


Im only posting this so you are all aware that this type of activity is rampant, so be careful who you are doing business with.

Indeed, I shall be very careful of that in the future.

[kevfromcoro]

Its that time of the year alright...been getting heaps of spam in e-mail.
Nigerian Banks..You have just won $12 million...send us your acc. details ..bla bla bla...delete....delete..

[Skyryder]

That cunt who took out a private prosecution against Mallard is up with 52 fraud charges. This self imposed rightous arsehole could not wait to get his fifteen minutes fame. Probabley thinks that if found guilty he'll get off witha lighter sentnce due to his civic duty :wanker:niceone:


Skyryder

[JimO]

That cunt who took out a private prosecution against Mallard is up with 52 fraud charges. This self imposed rightous arsehole could not wait to get his fifteen minutes fame. Probabley thinks that if found guilty he'll get off witha lighter sentnce due to his civic duty :wanker:niceone:


Skyryder

he should run to be the next labour pm sounds like he would fit right in

[Sanx]

That cunt who took out a private prosecution against Mallard is up with 52 fraud charges. This self imposed rightous arsehole could not wait to get his fifteen minutes fame. Probabley thinks that if found guilty he'll get off witha lighter sentnce due to his civic duty :wanker:niceone:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but on a scale of one to fuck all, what has Mallard and the guy who tok him to court got ANYTHING to do with Quasi being ripped off by Indonesian fraudsters. Or are you just annoyed that no-one's given you an opportunity to say how much you love Uncle Helen recently?

[Quasievil]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but on a scale of one to fuck all, what has Mallard and the guy who tok him to court got ANYTHING to do with Quasi being ripped off by Indonesian fraudsters. Or are you just annoyed that no-one's given you an opportunity to say how much you love Uncle Helen recently?

Yeah I was a bit lost on that one two lol

[99TLS]

that sux hopefully your parcels havent left

[Skyryder]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but on a scale of one to fuck all, what has Mallard and the guy who tok him to court got ANYTHING to do with Quasi being ripped off by Indonesian fraudsters. Or are you just annoyed that no-one's given you an opportunity to say how much you love Uncle Helen recently?

Fraud springs to mind. Consider yourself corrected.

Skyryder

[Sanx]

Fraud springs to mind. Consider yourself corrected.

The word 'fraud'. That was it? Tenuous at best, I feel.

But why not mention tha Trocadero owner Asif Aziz has been sued for US$20 million over allegations he defrauded a lebanese businessman once thought to be involved in the trade in African blood diamonds. Or, if that's too far away for you, what about the fact that a Panmure GP has been charged with defrauding the Department of Health of $1.4 million. Or that FINSEC have urged banks to fully indemnify customers against online fraud.

Why were none of those worth a mention. Oh, becuase it didn't involve the darling butter-wouldn't-melt-never-hurt-a-fly-innocent-as-the-day-is-long Labour party.

[chanceyy]

Holy crap talk about having to be up with the game ..

that could really bust a company, good news you caught on early quasi ..

see you sat .. without a dodgy credit card :lol:

[Lias]

It used to be really common for people in the the "underground" computer world to card things back in the day. Before online banking took off, online merchants had to process credit cards manually, and often took 2-3 weeks to find out they were fakes. I knew heaps of people that did it, it was just so rediculously easy back then, especially for "virtual" pucrhases rather than physical goods. My point is this isnt a new problem, people were doing it over 10 years ago, and I imagine people will still be doing it in another 10.

[tri boy]

Not sure what ratio of product/recoup Quasi has to deal with, but the loss of three jackets, could mean he needs to sell twenty odd to make up his lost earnings.
F**k'n thieves need to be punished hard and fast.:spanking::Police:

[Pixie]

There's a lesson to be learnt from dealing with cultures with different ethics than your own.

As if a lot of NZers won't rip off a business at the first opportunity

[Harry33]

As if a lot of NZers won't rip off a business at the first opportunity

I guessing anyone here, who has owned or managed a business could completely agree with that. Some NZ'ers won't batter an eyelid to rip off a company/store/fellow kiwi.

[rwh]

I don't trust credit cards - I don't/won't have one, and wouldn't accept them (especially online or by mail/phone/whatever).

There's next to no authentication involved, except when used in person with an eftpos machine (or a zip-zap), so that the pin or signature can be checked.

At least a business can choose to only accept credit cards in person; it doesn't help for a customer to only use their card in person, because their card info can still be used online without any proper checks.

The essential problem is, a credit card transaction is accepted with no information that is intended to be private.

We need a new method for payments on line, that would probably have to involve both parties' computers along with both their banks' computers, and a bunch of digital certificates.

I'm not sure what size event is needed to trigger that kind of revolution, though. Possibly a rather larger business than Quasimoto getting hit and deciding to refuse to accept them - a big enough one that they can survive the interim loss of business.

Richard

[Quasievil]

YAY the NZ post has found our package and the jackets will be returned to us shortly !!
Big ups to nz post, it would have been so easy for them to say tuff luck and not bother ..........cheers NZ post

we have also contacted the fraud team at the bank and they are onto them, the card numbers are no longer functional and their addresses have been passed on.

Interestingly one of the alledged fraudsters is saying that he will pay direct into our account via a bank transfer, possibly he is legite, we have got the bank to set up a seperate account for this possible transaction one with no money in it, so will see what happens.

end of the day pisses us off as its alot of effort to go to for nought return.
but a good lesson for us as a business anyway, so maybe they did us a favour.

thanks for the comments people
:niceone:

[Coldrider]

It is when the fraudsters seriously start eating into the huge interest take on credit cards, will the banks do anything about fraud containment.

[Tank]

Glad that it worked out as well as possible. as you said - Big UPS to NZ post!

[The Stranger]

That cunt who took out a private prosecution against Mallard is up with 52 fraud charges. This self imposed rightous arsehole could not wait to get his fifteen minutes fame. Probabley thinks that if found guilty he'll get off witha lighter sentnce due to his civic duty :wanker:niceone:


Skyryder

Some useful information (http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/fwit-faq.html) for you Skyryder.

Though I feal you are simply too far gone to comprehend it anyway.

[Pancakes]

It is when the fraudsters seriously start eating into the huge interest take on credit cards, will the banks do anything about fraud containment.

Bang on! Credit cards make Banks (and online businesses etc) so much money that the cost of fraud across the whole economy would need to eat into it considerably before it was worth doing something about.

[Skyryder]

Some useful information (http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/fwit-faq.html) for you Skyryder.

Though I feal you are simply too far gone to comprehend it anyway.


Just not sure who's the fuckwit here. Either I'm the fuckwit, or I have failed being a fuckwit, or you are describing yourself as a fuckwit.

I'll try and clarify my post for you.

The point that you seem unable to comprehend is that someone facing multiple fraud charges can hardly claim the moral high ground when it comes others acting in a criminal manner.


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

The point that you seem unable to comprehend is that someone facing multiple fraud charges can hardly claim the moral high ground when it comes others acting in a criminal manner.


Skyryder

Im facing multiple fraud charges ????

sheeesh it has been a worser week that I thought

[Skyryder]

The word 'fraud'. That was it? Tenuous at best, I feel.

But why not mention tha Trocadero owner Asif Aziz has been sued for US$20 million over allegations he defrauded a lebanese businessman once thought to be involved in the trade in African blood diamonds. Or, if that's too far away for you, what about the fact that a Panmure GP has been charged with defrauding the Department of Health of $1.4 million. Or that FINSEC have urged banks to fully indemnify customers against online fraud.

Why were none of those worth a mention. Oh, becuase it didn't involve the darling butter-wouldn't-melt-never-hurt-a-fly-innocent-as-the-day-is-long Labour party.


None of these people took out a private prosecution against Mallard. The man who did was facing multple fraud charges. Henare had accepted Mallard apology but our 'alledged' fraudster:angry2: took it upon himself to get involved in something that was essentialy none of his buisness.

Skyryder

[The Stranger]

Just not sure who's the fuckwit here. Either I'm the fuckwit, or I have failed being a fuckwit, or you are describing yourself as a fuckwit.


Yes, I anticipated you would have trouble, hence my comment, about you being too far gone to comprehend it.
A little clue - look at all the posts in this thread and ask yourself "can I take clue?"

[McJim]

None of these people took out a private prosecution against Mallard. The man who did was facing multple fraud charges. Henare had accepted Mallard apology but our 'alledged' fraudster:angry2: took it upon himself to get involved in something that was essentialy none of his buisness.

Skyryder

I thought this thread was about all those jackets I bought for my RG150 riding mates in Indonesia with the phoney credit cards...I never did anything to a duck, mallard or otherwise...who the fuck is Mallard anyway?:rofl:

[Zuki Bandit]

The Dirty Rotten Iceholes:oi-grr:

[scracha]

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We have sent out three jackets only and NZ post are frantically trying to find the parcel before it leaves NZ.


Quasi, no offence mate but large orders to overseas purchasers should have sent alarm bells. This would be clearly explained in the visa/mastercard merchant guidelines.

Not that I'm a fan of visa nor the banks. They get their cut regardless then wash their hands of the matter when shit hits the fan.

[Quasievil]

Quasi, no offence mate but large orders to overseas purchasers should have sent alarm bells. This would be clearly explained in the visa/mastercard merchant guidelines.



Youre right, it took 24 hours ish before the alarm bells went off. all good now though, cheers

[Lias]

Interestingly one of the alledged fraudsters is saying that he will pay direct into our account via a bank transfer, possibly he is legite, we have got the bank to set up a seperate account for this possible transaction one with no money in it, so will see what happens.


thanks for the comments people
:niceone:

Be careful of that one too. You may find its "laundered" money and will be taken back by a bank at some stage.

[scracha]

Be careful of that one too. You may find its "laundered" money and will be taken back by a bank at some stage.

The banks can take the money back MONTHS later mate.

[zooter]

You have to wonder if Mr "I want to pay by direct credit now" is a KB "member"

[BigG]

Not only happening like you got done, I've had to sell my bike to pay my creditors cos some dickhead Company won't pay me, good part about it I no I'm going to get my money after a court hearing on the 18th of Jan. Life sucks sometimes theres a lot of s..t heads about riping people off.