*Whinge Alert* - Fuck this, or how do I blow up work and get away with it?

[James Deuce]

5th year running I am sitting at my desk at work over the Christmas/New Year break.

This year I thought I would get ahead of the game and put my leave request through in June. That was turned down - too early to be able to make a decision.

So I put it through in October and heard nothing back. Beginning of December I get told I can't have my leave as the other guy I work with on this particular Customer is going away to Waihi. WTF, says I, I have relatives coming home for the first time in 3 years from Kuwait and my family is going to be away, hopefully with me, so my kids can meet two cousins they haven't met, and we can all catch up.

No, so and so put his leave in before you did. What, June I said?

You know why we knocked you back then.

How about the one I put in October?

What one in October?

This one with this request number?

Oh, I didn't see that.

Can I have my leave please?

No. We really need someone senior (fuck you, I'm not THAT old) to cover over Christmas.

So because you're incompetent I get to have Christmas by myself, says I?

It has nothing to do with my competence you should have highlighted your requirements earlier, plus you're mental and admitted it so we'll fire you if you don't work.

Put that in writing, I say.

No, they say.

I go get my MP3 player. Record on.

Needless to say subsequent discussion doesn't garner the requisite constructive dismissal comment.

Thankfully wife and kids refuse to go away Christmas Eve and we have Christmas breakfast together. Hitcher saved the day by popping over in the evening with a Monty Python DVD.

I did get to assemble the trampoline unmolested and unhindered, so it's not all bad, but geez I'm still angry. I woke up angry this morning.

The boss' boss' boss has a work programme for me. I'm getting to it, but the pointy haired individual wants to micro-manage the huge lump of work he's dropped on me and HE'S HERE TODAY AND TOMORROW TO WATCH THE CLOCK. I've had a server die, another get filled up by idiots and overseas based airlines not meet their statutory information sharing obligations under International anti-terrorist laws and this guy wants me to analyse the environment schedule and do a gap analysis on our daily check schedule ahead of that stuff.

Why must I be surrounded by idiots!?

I going stark staring mental being forced to put work ahead of everything else, and clueless dolts keep telling me to get a new job.

Newsflash! IT is the same everywhere you go. Same shit, different place.

How do people rationalise work vs family issues without pissing off the boss, the wife, the kids, the relatives, and yourself? It just isn't possible from my perspective.

[Cajun]

damn that sucks Jim.

Alot of time management are assholes, and only do things to please themselfs.

I was am call this week attached to a pager, but at least we closed down the port over xmas day, so at least didn't have to worry to much, i could have a some drinks, and not have to worry about being paged to race in to work. I think this is second year in the past 3 of working here that i on xmas.

[jafar]

An easy fix is to go & chuck in the dunny then go home sick. the boss, boss , boss is there to cover you :devil2:

[James Deuce]

damn that sucks Jim.

Alot of time management are assholes, and only do things to please themselfs.

I was am call this week attached to a pager, but at least we closed down the port over xmas day, so at least didn't have to worry to much, i could have a some drinks, and not have to worry about being paged to race in to work. I think this is second year in the past 3 of working here that i on xmas.

Yes. The pager. The one I have has me on call for a customer I don't even have a login for and have had no briefing on and have no access to any documentation.

[Disco Dan]

5th year running I am sitting at my desk at work over the Christmas/New Year break.

This year I thought I would get ahead of the game and put my leave request through in June. That was turned down - too early to be able to make a decision.

So I put it through in October and heard nothing back. Beginning of December I get told I can't have my leave as the other guy I work with on this particular Customer is going away to Waihi. WTF, says I, I have relatives coming home for the first time in 3 years from Kuwait and my family is going to be away, hopefully with me, so my kids can meet two cousins they haven't met, and we can all catch up.

How do people rationalise work vs family issues without pissing off the boss, the wife, the kids, the relatives, and yourself? It just isn't possible from my perspective.

Are you in a Union? If not.. get signed up - quick.

Sounds like your boss is taking you up the swanny... if you want any action you need to get in touch with your union and get as many other workers on the same level as you in the union too. When no union is present or only represented by a small minority group of workers, it is very easy for managers to manipulate and get away with mistakes they make by palming them off to you as your mistakes.

I have had a few dealings in the past - feel free to PM me.

[Deano]

I'm suffering from a different sort of work stress.......BOREDOM.

Thank you previous union members who decided it would be a good idea to trade the (paid) days off between Xmas and NY each year for a one off payment.

You stooopid carnts.

[Cajun]

Yes. The pager. The one I have has me on call for a customer I don't even have a login for and have had no briefing on and have no access to any documentation.

hahahaa know that feeling our dba is off for two weeks and on monday and we sorta had issue with endless locks, and then couldn't kill the datbase to clear them, but dba has no documentation for us so had to fudge our way thru and close database by an unsafe method.

[limbimtimwim]

Newsflash! IT is the same everywhere you go. Same shit, different place.Don't work for a big stinking corporate then. Stupid people collect in those places. That's where they go to survive with all the other stupid people. Mediocre performance can go unnoticed. Likewise good people go unrewarded.

[James Deuce]

Are you in a Union? If not.. get signed up - quick.

Sounds like your boss is taking you up the swanny... if you want any action you need to get in touch with your union and get as many other workers on the same level as you in the union too. When no union is present or only represented by a small minority group of workers, it is very easy for managers to manipulate and get away with mistakes they make by palming them off to you as your mistakes.

I have had a few dealings in the past - feel free to PM me.

Union? You work in an industry that tolerates collective bargaining.

I work in an industry that will just fire me and happily pay out the law suit if I became a Union organiser. There isn't a Union specifically for my industry and I rather think that the general workers union would have rather unrealistic expectations of what it means to be an IT worker.

[Taz]

You need a better union and contract I think. Apart from that there is the holidays act...... Anything there you coulda used? bit late now though. If you'd quit you could have been enjoying a nice break right now! :)

[James Deuce]

I'm suffering from a different sort of work stress.......BOREDOM.

Thank you previous union members who decided it would be a good idea to trade the (paid) days off between Xmas and NY each year for a one off payment.

You stooopid carnts.

You could always take out a civil suit against Exide in your spare time :).

[Deano]

You could always take out a civil suit against Exide in your spare time :).

Your honour - I have too much lead in my pencil......

They might get a decent prosecution you reckon ?

Oh - I'm still chasing the wanker from the 'crash of '03' for my money. So far I've received $150 out of $6K

[James Deuce]

Don't work for a big stinking corporate then. Stupid people collect in those places. That's where they go to survive with all the other stupid people. Mediocre performance can go unnoticed. Likewise good people go unrewarded.

I've worked at the other end of the scale and working for the clueless is its own set of "special" rewards.
I try to be good at my job, but it's a bit difficult when isolated from training or people with a focus on success instead of arse covering.

[James Deuce]

Oh - I'm still chasing the wanker from the 'crash of '03' for my money. So far I've received $150 out of $6K

Make it Baycorp's problem. If the dude doesn't already have credit issues, that will fuck them up better than paying you back in total.

[mstriumph]

.................Why must I be surrounded by idiots!?

I going stark staring mental being forced to put work ahead of everything else, and clueless dolts keep telling me to get a new job.

Newsflash! IT is the same everywhere you go. Same shit, different place.

How do people rationalise work vs family issues without pissing off the boss, the wife, the kids, the relatives, and yourself? It just isn't possible from my perspective.

"The mass [majority] of men lead lives of quiet desperation" .....Henry David Thoreau said that

he also said
"The cost of a thing is the amount of what I call life which is required to be exchanged for it, immediately or in the long run."

you are in a shitty job, unappreciated, surrounded by people who could give a cuss about what's right for you

me too

what we have to realise, unpalatable as it may be, is that somewhere in the depths of our unconcious each one of us has run a 'cost/benefit analysis' of the situation and HAVE DECIDED IT BENEFITS US MORE TO STAY AS WE ARE

depressing, innit? :no:

..........but it DOES mean that, when the balance tips, you'll move ....... as will i.

until then, chin up Bro ......... stay in there slogging ['cause people DEPEND on us, no?]
:msn-wink:

[Nasty]

Crikey ... I know its shite working over this time but I couldn't get the RFP I am working on out before Christmas so that the Vendors could work over Christmas trying to meet our demands ....

I now am writing an evaluation plan ... reviewing RFP requirements ... and all that wonderful stuff ... but at least I am busy ... cos if I was staring at the walls like one of my collegues I would just go home!


PS your bosses are shite for shafting you on your leave ... it is hard to make them realise that though ... corporate IT sux sometimes.

[Deano]

Make it Baycorp's problem. If the dude doesn't already have credit issues, that will fuck them up better than paying you back in total.

I have listed the debt with them - it costs if you want them to actively chase it - you probably already know this

The thing is - he is a career criminal and doesn't give a flying feck.

I don't know if there are people in NZ that do it - but I'd be tempted to 'sell on' the debt to some nasty, nasty person. :devil2:

[James Deuce]

I don't know if there are people in NZ that do it - but I'd be tempted to 'sell on' the debt to some nasty, nasty person. :devil2:

I've lost contact with "My Guy" since his niece died (I used to read to her in hospital - weird auto-immune system disorder specific to East Coast Nth Island Maori). He got most of our stuff back after we got burgaled and told me what shops to go get my CDs back from.

I can assure you though, that there are indeed people who do that sort of work for a living.

[WRT]

Admittedly, I don't know what field of IT you work in, but not all IT jobs are the same when it comes to Christmas holidays. For starters, you could work for a company that closes over the Christmas break. My last job did that, bliss I tell you. My current employer closes for the stats, and with the other person in our IT department we just take turns covering the days were are open anyway. I still have to remain on call in case something nasty blows up, but I've never had to return to work while I've been on leave so far (touch wood).

Another option would have been to tell them at the start of December when they turned down your leave application that you want a written guarantee of having next Christmas off work, or you would hand in your notice then and there. Doesn't get you off for this year, but you would be in the position of the most strength as that close to Xmas they would need you to keep working rather than leave so that is the best time to bargain with them. And if they accepted your resignation then at least you know where you stand with them (not that there appears to be much doubt anyway).

I'm no fan of Unions, so I wont recommend them.

Personally though, it sounds to me like you need to jump ship. 5 years is a lengthy stay in one firm (by todays standards anyway), so why not start looking around? Who knows, you could find a better job with nicer colleagues and a bigger salary!

I know I spent too long in a lousy job one time, thinking it was easier, or that there wouldn't be anything out there that was better. In the end I started looking around, found a sweet job much easier and quicker than I thought I would.

Plus it's a damn sweet feeling telling a useless boss to shove it.

[Katman]

Don't worry Jim, I've forwarded this thread to your boss' boss' boss, so you should have a looooong holiday coming up in the new year.:msn-wink:

[Big Dave]

How do people rationalise work vs family issues without pissing off the boss, the wife, the kids, the relatives, and yourself?


Self employment.

[WRT]

Self employment.

LOL - I meant to include that in my post too!

[James Deuce]

Self employment.
Tried that.

Some of us have marketable skills.

Others of us should really be working in factories. Sigh.

[WRT]

I guess you could try winning lotto then? I hear it's worked for some people, but unfortunately I've had more luck with changing jobs than buying lotto tickets.

[Ixion]

Well, I'm at work. But I sort of semi volunteered. or at least let others have first pick fo the days.

I quite like working the Xmas/New year period. It's dead quiet, I'm spending the day working on the bike ("Why , yes, it's surprising how much grease is still involved in these servers. They're high performance machines you know") , surfing the net, and eating. And come 5pm, drinking. Anything comes up, it's dead easy "Sorry, you'll need to fall back on your manual backup procedures. Yes, the ones in the folder marked 'Manual Processing Instructions '. Yes, you do have one. I went round before Xmas and checked that EVERY department had their folder. I'm good to you like that. Yes, it is a bit more manual and labour intensive. That's why it's a fall back procedure. Alas, all the people who might be able to do any more for you are away on leave., It *is* Christmas you know, wouldn't want people to think we weren't a family oriented ,holistic work balance empowered company, would we. Off you go, you'll be fine". Sorted. Back to the interwibble

Who wants to be out there at present. Crowds, lousy weather, everybody still stressed out.

I'll take my leave in early january and late February.

[Big Dave]

Others should really be working in factories.

You're not one of them.

[cowboyz]

When I was contract milking the owner also owned the farm next door. One night we were having water pump issues and were busy fixing it. It got to about 4.50pm and he said he had a previous appointment that he HAD to get to and if I couldn't finish repairing the pump then it would have to wait for the following day. I stayed a repaired the pump while he left for his appointment.

The following day he asked me why I wasnt at the kids assembly that was being held the night before. I said I was fixing the pump. It turned out the appointment that he deemed more important than fixing a pump was seeing his kids at assembly. He spoke for a while about priorities.

Sometimes you have to remember WHY you are working for?

[Krayy]

I'm a contractor and get paid a whole lot of bucks a day, of which Michael Cullen gets 99.5% of and the wife gets the rest.

I'm trying to put in as close to 40 hours this week as I can (not easy in a 3 day week) so I can afford to go on an unpaid holiday in January, so I'm definitely a victim of my own circumstance.

That being said, at least I'm getting paid for doing my hobby ;-)

[vifferman]

... and have no access to any documentation.


...but dba has no documentation for us so had to fudge our way thru and close database by an unsafe method.

No worries - give me a few minutes and I'll make up some bullshit for both of you.


I quite like working the Xmas/New year period.
I was planning to work on "the days in-between". Unfortunately, I have nothing to do, and I also found out if I have more than 10 days leave left at the end of March, I'll lose some days. :eek:
At the same time, I'm supposed to be accumulating as much leave as possible, so I can go to Urp with the vifferbabe. If it ever happens.
It was all lined up for last October, then fell apart, so we went to Kalifornicatia last Xmas instead. Then we were supposed to go next September, but the vifferbabe's boss said, "No - you'll be far too busy then, but you can go in April". Small problem - #2 Son's bills to pay, and not enough time to get a wodge of cash together before April. So, I said, "Fine. I know how important this is to you; I'll sell the bike if we don't have enough".
Then the vifferbabe bought me an expensive jacket for my birthday/Xmas and said, "We've spent too much on you and your bike - you can't sell it."

Fuktallround. Except actually. Too much work, stress, etc. :blank:

[marty]

(4)An employer must not unreasonably withhold consent to an employee's request to take annual holidays.

sorry Jim but you've been dicked. you'll have to make it awfully inconvenient for them from now on in.

[Hitcher]

You could always take out a civil suit against Exide in your spare time.

Exide kept me and a couple of others from my work busy yesterday. Snarl...

[RantyDave]

5th year running I am sitting at my desk at work over the Christmas/New Year break.
How many times to I have to tell you?

GET ANOTHER FUCKING JOB

Quit bitching about it. About once a week some cuntywasteofspace in the government tells me there's a skills shortage in IT. You have skills. Shit man, you have m4d l33t sk1llz. We're coming into the recruiting season NOW. Polish off your CV, find the shirt that doesn't have blood spilt down the front and get your arse down to a recruitment consultant.

STOP FUCKING AROUND

At the very least evidence of heading off to interviews elsewhere might help loosen the purse strings to the tune of, say, $20k. Which is exactly how much I'd be asking for if I were you. And if you don't think they wouldn't do exactly the same to you, well, who's sitting at their desk on Christmas day then?

FUCK THEM

There is absolutely no need to work for cunty employers. By doing so you only reinforce that behaving like a cunt is a route to profitability and continued sitting on fat arses in company provided mercs for the shallow inept dickfucks you work for.

Now. NOW. THIS GODDAMN MINUTE. Close firefox, fix your CV up. I want you looking for work by monday morning.

Dave

[Usarka]

Newsflash! IT is the same everywhere you go. Same shit, different place.


Same shit different boss.

makes a difference.

for a year or three.

until you start getting cynical again.

and the bahahahas become less and less frequent.

bahahha.



leave. at your own time. on your own terms. without burning any bridges.

[Kendog]

The best time to look for a new job is when you have a job.

[Trudes]

You need to go see my doctor Jim, she told me if I wasn't given at least two weeks off over Xmas she was going to write me a sick note. LOL!

I'm going to have another bowl of trifle and think of you okay.

[Swoop]

There isn't a Union specifically for my industry...
Prostitutes' Collective???:laugh:

Seriously. If you need to borrow a US Postal Workers' uniform and "toys", let me know.:whistle:

[m99dws]

See Jim, you should have hired me and I could have worked xmas :niceone:

[homer]

i hope this dosnt offend


Is it your business do u own a share or anything in it...

If not tell them to stuff it

I was talking to someone today and just saying how nz should be closed on weekends and public holidays and in between xmas just like it used to be

Remembering theres always the same money to go around

And il lbe fucked if im just going to work near every day of the year and only get holidays of 4 weeks when it suits a boss to say to have them .

The weekends are fucken well mine
and should be for all other workers to
I dont mind working in the weekend sometimes but when i have plans stuff work .

No i dont have my own business
And if i did i chose to do it so you cant expect others to do the work

[yungatart]

Wrap a towel around your head, light the fuse to some Gelignite shoved in a cupboard somewhere, and run like crazy.
When caught, plead temporary insanity on the grounds of having to work Christmas, yet again, be removed from your family, yet again, and if all else fails throw in the Treaty of Waitangi:innocent:

[homer]

Same shit different boss.

makes a difference.

for a year or three.

until you start getting cynical again.

and the bahahahas become less and less frequent.

bahahha.



leave. at your own time. on your own terms. without burning any bridges.

Totaly agree a couple of years in any jobs heaps

[Gareth123]

Holiday? Whats That? I'm a baker and my big boss is ALWAYS on my case to take holidays. I work for Woolworths and they quite happily stated in the contract I signed that they couldn't force me to take holidays or leiu days but could stop me accruing more leiu days if I refused to take them. I laughed at them and went to work for a smaller Woolworths (Rangiora. Come see us for the best ciabatta in town!) Every stat day that rolls around I get to work now. I love the time and a half. Pity that when I want a holiday there's no one to replace me and I get declined every time by my bakery manager. I don't mind, i only put in for holidays to keep the big boss happy. I think I have 10 leiu days owing and 15 weeks of annual leave left to take. Can't wait until next summer. I'm gonna take the whole thing off!

[homer]

The point is you still will get them ,or paid out and you clearly are going to get a choice !

[Usarka]

Personally i reckon working over christmas rocks. Get heaps done without muppets interrupting you, weathers normally average, and kids are out and about in droves.

Take the hols in Feb, jump on the bike or whatever and relax while all the other @#&*$^@(*#$^@*&#$^@*&#$^*(@^$*(@&#^$'s are all at work.

Muhahhaahahhahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah-wa-a-wa-a-wa-a-ha.

[mstriumph]

.........
FUCK THEM

............

pithy, witty and to the point ........ sheesh - i WISH i'd said that!! :Punk:

[Grahameeboy]

Wrap a towel around your head, light the fuse to some Gelignite shoved in a cupboard somewhere, and run like crazy.
When caught, plead temporary insanity on the grounds of having to work Christmas, yet again, be removed from your family, yet again, and if all else fails throw in the Treaty of Waitangi:innocent:

I think he has already tried that one..............

[James Deuce]

Personally i reckon working over christmas rocks. Get heaps done without muppets interrupting you, weathers normally average, and kids are out and about in droves.

Take the hols in Feb, jump on the bike or whatever and relax while all the other @#&*$^@(*#$^@*&#$^@*&#$^*(@^$*(@&#^$'s are all at work.

Muhahhaahahhahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah-wa-a-wa-a-wa-a-ha.

I don't think you read my rant.

The guy who got given the Holiday over me resigned two days before Christmas.

I have little kids. I've missed some aspect of Christmas for as long as my oldest has been alive, because of one job or another. I wanted a couple of weeks off to spend with them. I like my kids.

Taking holidays in February means they are back at school and kindy. So I get to sit around and scratch my 'nads for a couple of weeks and then go back to work.

[paturoa]

Give Becky a call - she can give you a few pointers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFLzFkPZ-3Q

[James Deuce]

You're not one of them.

Thank you Dave (and the other Dave too). Time to get off my chuff I guess. Too "comfortable" where I am I reckon.

Thank you everyone (especially Yungatart - Tea Towel has been selected) who has responded. Means I can go to work with the red mist deactivated.

[Usarka]

I don't think you read my rant.

Yeah i did but long term effects from a head injury meant i forgot it by the time i wrote that :niceone:

It was a diversion from topic, more of a me-me mini-rant. (a mini-rant-me?)

My first post was my proper response to your rant.

[James Deuce]

Rant, rant, rant, pass the oranges.

Nothing rhymes with oranges.

[Usarka]

Splaronjas.

[Big Dave]

Schmoranges.

Ironically, I worked today too.

[Mikkel]

Jim, it sounds to me that you need, as others have said, to get out more. Shop around and see what's on the market. Indeed, the best time to shop for a job is when you're already employed. IT is a funny business, sometimes it's long nasty hours and big crunches to get something out the door - but on the other hand some of the companies (and I guess that would be the smaller ones down here) are very flexible by any standard and will reward people who are competent, independent and willing to put in a lot of hours when needed.

Unfortunately you have to teach some employers that they need to appreciate their employees' loyalty!

Anyway, good to hear the old MP managed to save the merry christmas spirit! At least you know it's not the end of the world then... :D


Why must I be surrounded by idiots!?

The eternal dilemma of the thinking man (and woman)! :rolleyes:
Especially when in the traffic...


Schmoranges.

Ironically, I worked today too.

That's not irony, that's sarcasm! Wait, am I mixing them up again? ;)

[imdying]

You'll be pleased to know not every branch is run like that, some in fact bend over backwards to give you quality time with your family :yes:

[MaxB]

Heaps of good advice on this thread.
Maybe I can give you a nudge to make the right decision. If one of your kids is still at kindy then you probably have 10 Christmas's max before they will be off doing their own thing. How many more family holidays do you want to work through? Once missed you will never get that time back.

No doubt you are being dicked around. The fact you have posted on here tells me you are stressed. If you have the evidence you can go after your employer but thats a hard road.

For mine you can either improve your working conditions or change jobs. If you can't do one, do the other.

[Kendog]

You'll be pleased to know not every branch is run like that, some in fact bend over backwards to give you quality time with your family :yes:

Exactly, we have a 'Work life balance' philosophy at our work. I have experienced and seen 'life before work' on many occasions and it really is the best way to be.

[Taz]

You're not one of them.

I am one of those factory workers and it pays great I work 4 days on and 4 days off 12 hour shifts, have the option of working plenty of OT, get plenty of lieu days and holidays during the year, have a strong union that helps keep it fair, and well even have a great time at work. when operating the crane I have my own nice air cond cab with comfy seat and sony stereo system and plenty of time to kick back and relax. Factory work aint all that bad. I used to work in the motorcycle trade but there is no real money in that. Once I had children the factory was the choice I made as I can keep my family fed, clothed, housed and still afford to ride my 3 bikes. :yes:
I love my life as it is.

Just happened that my days off fell on xmas this year. I do have to work new years day tho. But that is paid at double time plus stat day pay and a day i lieu. so effectively triple time :clap:

[Big Dave]

I am one of those factory workers and it pays great I work 4 days on and 4 days off 12 hour shifts, have the option of working plenty of OT, get plenty of lieu days and holidays during the year, have a strong union that helps keep it fair, and well even have a great time at work. when operating the crane I have my own nice air cond cab with comfy seat and sony stereo system and plenty of time to kick back and relax. Factory work aint all that bad. I used to work in the motorcycle trade but there is no real money in that. Once I had children the factory was the choice I made as I can keep my family fed, clothed, housed and still afford to ride my 3 bikes. :yes:
I love my life as it is.

Just happened that my days off fell on xmas this year. I do have to work new years day tho. But that is paid at double time plus stat day pay and a day i lieu. so effectively triple time :clap:


I :ride: for a living.
But good for you.
It ain't Jim.

[Big Dave]

That's not irony, that's sarcasm! Wait, am I mixing them up again? ;)

Irony.
• a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

[Paul in NZ]

Irony.
• a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.


Learn summat every day - I thought Irony was an early HD Sportster....

But thinking about it - would that make a later one an alumini?

[NighthawkNZ]

So because you're incompetent I get to have Christmas by myself, says I?

It has nothing to do with my competence you should have highlighted your requirements earlier, plus you're mental and admitted it so we'll fire you if you don't work.

Put that in writing, I say.

No, they say.

Thats funny... Have you been reading Dilbert... if not you should

[Big Dave]

would that make a later one an alumini?

That's Old School thinking.

[judecatmad]

I would feel a few mental health days coming on and if they don't like it, they can talk to your GP (who would no doubt have been consulted about the whole thing before said MH days were taken and would have given a sick note saying in no uncertain terms that you were indeed too stressed out by the whole process to even contemplate work until the New Year).

Furthermore, form hereon in I would be exercising a strict work to rule. No ifs, no buts.

I would also be raising a grievance with the HR manager.

And then I'd just see what happened and take it from there.

But that's just me. Can be as much of an arse as I choose to be when work fucks me around. So long as you've got all thbe i's dotted and the t's crossed, there's sweet FA they can do to oust you - so long as your work record is decent.

I'm sorry you're having a shit of a time, Jim. Chin up mate.

[judecatmad]

plus you're mental and admitted it so we'll fire you if you don't work.

And they can't and both you and they know it.

[James Deuce]

I would also be raising a grievance with the HR manager.


Here's the thing. 2500 people and no HR department. We're the backyard IT company that got too big. Our Motto is: 'Why do a half-arsed job when a quarter will do?"

[James Deuce]

And they can't and both you and they know it.

That's the thing. They have a track record of doing just that and happily paying a few 10s of thousands to get rid of an employee who is too problematic.

[limbimtimwim]

Thats funny... Have you been reading Dilbert... if not you shouldJim2 is Dilbert.

[James Deuce]

No, I am Wally. I had a Dilbert phase, but I've moved on.

[judecatmad]

Here's the thing. 2500 people and no HR department. We're the backyard IT company that got too big. Our Motto is: 'Why do a half-arsed job when a quarter will do?"

Holy crap - seriously? I didn't realise, sorry. Mate, you need to get out looking for a better company to work for. You've got too much to offer a shitty set up like that!


That's the thing. They have a track record of doing just that and happily paying a few 10s of thousands to get rid of an employee who is too problematic.

But if you're so senior that they simply HAD to have you in for support, surely you're senior enough that now the other guy has quit, it would seriously disadvantage them to lose you?

I take it you've also got no union? Not that I'm a union faithful, but I joined ours for my own selfish reasons when I found out I was pregnant, simply cos I knew my company had a track record of forcing pregnant women into leaving.

I hate companies that single out the most vulnerable members of the work force. When you're stressed/depressed/otherwise medically incapacitated and/or financially unable to fight your employment battles, they know they've got you over a barrel.

Seriously, start job hunting. Apparently, the New Year is the best time to pick up a new job. And maybe 'accidentally' leave your CV lying on your desk.....

Good luck and try to keep the old chin up. I know how hard it is to get through that red mist! Lord knows I've had almost a whole year of that!

:hug:

[imdying]

I'll pass your concerns on to Vernon...

[James Deuce]

Lol. Yo Vern!

[scumdog]

Schmoranges.

Ironically, I worked today too.

Meh me too - start at 8pm

That's why I'm reading stuff like this and wasting time posting on KB instead of being out on my bike...

[pete376403]

If an IT person really wants to fuck over his employer doing something with the backups (Ie making it so they dont backup certain important stuff) over a long enough period of time so the entire backup sets are corrupt. Then "accidentally" delete the "certain important stuff" disks. This is best done just before you leave for either a long overseas holiday or better, another employer.

[riffer]

Indeed. However, that's easily discovered.

One would be better off (hypothetically) to randomly apply varying forms of compression to the archive tapes, in order to irritate and slow things down. Better to be thought of as incompetent as everybody else, and not screw things up reference-wise, than be thought of as a saboteur.

[Big Dave]

Yuh - making it harder for the poor schmo that fills the chair next makes perfect sense.

[flyingbrick]

Hi there.

I walked away from my job on a friday last year. Walked back into my work with a lawyer the following wednesday. 100% recomend it.

Watching my superiors (managers and company owner) get PWNED to the point of being red faced and speachless by my lawyer was PRICELESS and left me grinning for days.

The couple thousand dollars that I walked out with made the $600 lawyer fee a good investment. Thankfully i found another job pretty quick and only had a week long holiday between jobs.

Good luck :-)

[peasea]

Hi there.

I walked away from my job on a friday last year. Walked back into my work with a lawyer the following wednesday. 100% recomend it.

Watching my superiors (managers and company owner) get PWNED to the point of being red faced and speachless by my lawyer was PRICELESS and left me grinning for days.

The couple thousand dollars that I walked out with made the $600 lawyer fee a good investment. Thankfully i found another job pretty quick and only had a week long holiday between jobs.

Good luck :-)

Totally agree. Don't take any shit, a good worker will always find a job, even if it's just a fill-in for a while.
I had a boss tell me I couldn't work his machines coz I had long hair (back when I had hair) even though it was under a beanie. I said 'fuck you' walked out and had another job that afternoon. The union backed me coz I was allowed to tie my hair back and he wasn't in a position to tell me to cut it. I got all my owed pay and holiday cash. Brill.

[Steam]

Hi there.


Jeez Brick, you're the king of Thread-Dredging.

Now it's up again I may as well say JIM2, put your leave request in NOW!

[merv]

... and Jim2 if you really are Wally I see earlier in the week in the Dibert cartoon he's taken to carrying two coffee cups. Would that help ya?

http://www.dilbert.com/2008-06-04/

http://www.dilbert.com/2008-06-05/

See it works for him.

[flyingbrick]

Jeez Brick, you're the king of Thread-Dredging.

Now it's up again I may as well say JIM2, put your leave request in NOW!

Oops.

Oh well, atleast im using the search function.

:rolleyes:

cock.

[Beemer]

I had the same problem in a job I had a few years ago. The other photographer who worked there was quite intimidating and the boss didn't like to upset him, so he gave in every time he demanded something. I covered his shift as well as my own for three weeks while he went on holiday and he agreed to work Boxing Day for me so I could go to Wanganui for the bike racing. A few days before Christmas that year the boss said I would be working right through. I said this guy had agreed to work for me and was told he'd changed his mind. I pointed out that I had covered for him while he was on holiday and was told that was what I would have been expected to do anyway. I was really pissed off as I spent the day wandering around taking photos of Christmas babies, etc. A few weeks later I was told I had to cover his weekend shift as he had a sick aunt he was visiting. I found out later - as did the boss - that he'd actually been in Hawke's Bay for a bloody job interview!

He wanted to become a dive instructor, so on quiet days he'd come in and tell the boss there was hardly any work on so he was heading off for a dive, and then he'd walk out. I think he was pissed off with me because I'd complained about him taking his dog to the beach in the work car - I'd get it covered in sand and dog hair and smelling like a kennel! When I told him not to do it any more, he really went off at me. He yelled at me, saying the junior photographer (we were both employed as photographers, neither of us was a senior or a junior!) didn't tell the senior photographer what to do. He was over 6' tall and I am just over 5' tall but I yelled back, saying "sorry sir, how would you like your coffee, sir?" and I really thought he was going to punch me!

My husband works over Christmas (not Christmas Day though) as we usually head off on our holidays at other times of the year but he does get annoyed that the rest of the staff seem to expect him to do it all the time and take it for granted. One day, when he wins Lotto...!