MMMMM what next !!

[huck farley]

A mate called in for a chat and a beer. He informs me that the the Speed detector bill went through parliament. And is now law. I think he said it will be enforced within the next month or so.

I guess you will see a lot of radar detectors on Trademe over the next few weeks. Makes you wonder what next the lawmakers are going to introduce.

If the Nat's or any other political party abolish this new law. They will get my vote.

A bloke hasn't got a fighting chance now. I guess it will double the revenue the cops collect for the government. I'm not into politics but I know one thing Labour has gone down in my estimation. Grrr I'm angry :mad:

[unrealone]

I'm so out of the loop. So no more Radar detectors? O_o

[Chickadee]

Oh bugger, we bought one not too long ago. Mother plucker! Carrots and Dang that's not too great. If only we'd known before buying it.

[ynot slow]

Mines a police finder mr officer.

[Monsterbishi]

They're simple enough to do stealth installs, will just be more cash on the side for those of us inclined in the way of wiring.

[Gubb]

A mate called in for a chat and a beer. He informs me that the the Speed detector bill went through parliament. And is now law.

.....Parliament doesn't sit until February 2nd.

[Matt_TG]

.....Parliament doesn't sit until February 2nd.

Exactly what I was thinking. All the polly's are awol.

It's not April yet is it?

[The Pastor]

radar dectors are banned, on another note if anyone has one they want to flick off real cheap send me a PM ;)

[xwhatsit]

What next?

Why don't you buy a Harley? They're pretty cool.

[Nasty]

I would have thought that they would have to advertise that these things are not illegal .. the only place I have heard it is on this site ... they can not enforce something they don't tell you about.

[awayatc]

.....Parliament doesn't sit until February 2nd.:soon:

This is correct....:

However, the following is a correct quote as well.....

Radar detectors will become illegal, attracting fines and demerit points on an escalating scale in a three-year, phase-out plan. Those using detectors will initially face $50 fines and 25 demerit points, rising to $150 fines and 75 demerit points in the third year.
Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven said he was prepared to withstand a potential backlash by those using detectors to lessen their chances of being caught.:oi-grr:

Be afraid, very afraid....Or VOTE..
Since the elected officials are supposed to represent us and are supposed to speak on our behalf...

I propose a new bill that when new bills get voted on, every well paid puppet needs to be:
1. at least be bodily present
2. pass a test first to prove he or she has at least heard off the bill, and preferably even understands part of it...
3.Passes a breathaliser test same as for roadusers!
(after all if it is dangerous to be in control of a motorvehicle, imagine how dangerous it is to be in control of a whole country while under the influence.....)

Happy New Year, and enjoy yourself while you still can, it may be made illegal soon....:Police:

Oh and put the radardetectores on trademe while you still can get rid of them....:laugh:

[Swoop]

they can not enforce something they don't tell you about.
There is a saying that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
However... they have done a good job of avoiding any form of public comment on this.
I feel an appointment with my MP coming on.

[Nasty]

Anyone know which bill this is legislated in .. or was it just a gazetted thing? is it an update of the legislation or of the regulations?

[STUPY]

and thats why there is a shit load of kiwis pissing off over seas because our goverment is just revenue gathering all this to try stopping boy racers. all it is going to do is piss off the working class and more people will lose liciences because of the demert points system, well look out goverment you reap what you sow:mad:

[Bren]

I really don't see an issue here, as I don't speed unless overtaking, and even then it is not by much. The people that have radar detectors are basically saying that they speed by the mere presence of a radar detector in or on their vehicle. I do not see the point of them if you don't speed.
If you are one of the ones that is pissed off by the law change then I have absolutely no sympathy for you, and you are better off not being on the road! :oi-grr:


Speed Kills, End of story!

[Bren]

and thats why there is a shit load of kiwis pissing off over seas because our goverment is just revenue gathering all this to try stopping boy racers. all it is going to do is piss off the working class and more people will lose liciences because of the demert points system, well look out goverment you reap what you sow:mad:

How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?

Demerit points will be introduced for all drivers who are caught running a red light or stop sign, or not wearing a seatbelt.
They will also increase for speeding offences, while fines will be cut - in some cases by almost half.


If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

[ManDownUnder]

Speed Kills, End of story!

You might want to break that to the racing fraternity.

Hitting things hurts, hitting things at speed hurts more (and possibly kills) but speed is fine (note the pun).

Actually - thinking about it I think it's the rapid transfer of kinetic energy that kills. Couldn't they just outlaw that?

[Bren]

You might want to break that to the racing fraternity.

Hitting things hurts, hitting things at speed hurts more (and possibly kills) but speed is fine (note the pun).

Actually - thinking about it I think it's the rapid transfer of kinetic energy that kills. Couldn't they just outlaw that?

I see your point there, and agree that speed on the racetrack is fine, as it is a controlled situation, and most riders that are on the racetrack are trained and experienced....but on the roads it is not called for!

[99TLS]

:whocares: dont see what all the fuss is about really, speed limit is only 100 why do you feel the need to go faster on the roads? thats what track days are for arent they? i ride like your nana so it dont bother me

[Meanie]

I really don't see an issue here, as I don't speed unless overtaking, and even then it is not by much. The people that have radar detectors are basically saying that they speed by the mere presence of a radar detector in or on their vehicle. I do not see the point of them if you don't speed.
If you are one of the ones that is pissed off by the law change then I have absolutely no sympathy for you, and you are better off not being on the road! :oi-grr:


Speed Kills, End of story!

So i guess you are going to thank the officer when you do get a ticket overtaking someone doing just under 100 ks, because they will ticket you. You cant stick to the speed limit to overtake if you want to survive
They say they are targeting boy racers well what a crock of shit, if they wanted to do that they would do the same with a car license that they do with bikes, restrict the size of the motor they can drive
Why dont they want radar detectors because they dont want an even playing field........ Helen must be sorting her reitement fund

[Bren]

So i guess you are going to thank the officer when you do get a ticket overtaking someone doing just under 100 ks, because they will ticket you.

as it happens I went down to Timaru and back again yesterday. I passed vehicles on the way and never went over 115 km/h. Heck if i get pulled over for passing at 115 then so be it...If the cops are gonna pull someone over then I think they would go more so after people doing 130+ rather than someone doing 115 in a passing manouvere.

Anyway, it does not matter what I say in this forum after all, cos some one is always gonna frikkin say I am wrong...probably someone who has shit loads of speeding tickets...

[Swoop]

If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

I went down to Timaru and back again yesterday. I passed vehicles on the way and never went over 115 km/h.
Still broke the law though...:crybaby:

[Bren]

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!

[Gubb]

Radar detectors will become illegal, attracting fines and demerit points on an escalating scale in a three-year, phase-out plan. Those using detectors will initially face $50 fines and 25 demerit points, rising to $150 fines and 75 demerit points in the third year.
Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven said he was prepared to withstand a potential backlash by those using detectors to lessen their chances of being caught.

But it doesn't give a date, as of right now, i'm pretty sure they are still legal, unless someone is willing to link me towards some evidence suggesting otherwise.

I couldn't give a toss if they are banned or not, doesn't affect me either way, and I don't believe that it's encroaching on my personal freedoms either.

[Meanie]

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!

Na mate you have to work a lot harder than that to piss me off, i live next to cowboyz :rofl:
All we are doing is expressing opinions and are never shared by everyone

I am just a little tired of the government dictating what we can and cant do and when they are busy telling us this they are robbing us blind with taxes ACC, levies, Speeding tickets, rates etc etc
I dont speed a lot but am known to cruise around 110 to 120 ks because i like to be just a little faster than the traffic. I personaly dont see this being a problem even though i am breaking the law. If i get caught i pay the fine without bitching But I think they are blanket targeting everyone in NZ instead of the problem areas which is IMO Exsessive speed and boy racers
Whatever happened to the government working for us, they never asked us what we wanted to do about the problems we face on the road ?

[SPman]

How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?


If ya dont speed, and you follow the road laws then it wont affect you!

....and if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear............:Police:........

[STUPY]

[QUOTE=South3rn Rid3r;1360758]How can you say it is revenue collecting when the new law changes will lower the fines being handed out?


hello!!!!! there will be more tickets handed out if people don't have radar detectors, lower the $ value but increase the productivity, simply a great marketing effect really!!!!!!!!!!!! less $ for one person but more from the whole country:Police: (see his smile)

(look out back pockets, and licences)

[terbang]

Speed Kills, End of story!

Uhh..? How fast is speed..? I spend most of my life between 800 and 1000 KPH. Been doing it for 25 years too. Last time I looked I was still kicking...

[oldrider]

Uhh..? How fast is speed..? I spend most of my life between 800 and 1000 KPH. Been doing it for 25 years too. Last time I looked I was still kicking...

Yeh, what bullshit that "speed kills" line is!

Today another old prick was going on about motorcyclists doing wheelies down the road with no safety gear on.

I asked him how many other motorists were on the road or about.

There were none!

The biker was in control and didn't fall off or bother anyone else!

The old prick was watching from the golf course!

I told him the biker was just as safe or safer than he is on four wheels and that "He" should just mind his own freeking business!

Happy New Year everybody. Cheers John.

[awayatc]

-grr:

Speed Kills, End of story!

Silly me, I thought it was the sudden stop......;)

[HenryDorsetCase]

MDU said it right when he said speed doesnt kill, sudden stops do.

The BIG LIE being told to you by politicians is that you will be safer because ipso facto anyone exceeding an arbitrarily dictated velocity is worse than a murderer or child molester. If speed kills, how come Helen didnt die when she was being convoyed from Waimate to Christchurch at warp 9?

What I object to is that New Zealand drivers generally are fucking dangerous at ANY speed, let alone 100kph.

I am going to purchase a radar detector, and a jammer, if I get my shit together enough to do so before they become unlawful.

Fuck Helen, and fuck Harry Dickshovin.

[swbarnett]

Speed Kills, End of story!
I totally disagree and so do many others. The laws of physics also disagree. Even the NZ road toll stats don't support this (many more people speed than get killed).

You're not pissing me off by just saying something I disagree with. Hell, I'd be permanently pissed off it this were the case. And I'd be bored out of my brain if we all agreed all the time. What I object to is governments restricting my freedoms based on bad science.

Do a search on this site and you'll find this discussion has come up before. Might make for some enlightening reading.

[huck farley]

Well all I have to say on the matter is Labour has shot themselves in the foot yet again.

Come November they will be out on there arse, and will be cringing for making not only this dumb law abolishing radar detectors.

The child spanking is another one they supported of the X dole bludger Sue Bradford.

But really when you look at alternatives. We have a piss poor lot in the beehive!! I wouldn't trust any of the bastards with my life savings, would you?

We want a bloke like Piggy or Big Norm to sort out this mess.

This latest stunt they have pulled of banning Radar detectors, over the next three years, and the revenue the bastards are going to cop in doing so in my book is the the last straw!!

Some smart dude should get in Nationals ear and make them promise they will rescind the banning of Radar detector devices. As there must be thousands of them out there aye?

I think it's Bye Bye Helen and your band of tea laves (thieves) come November if not before.
Happy new year to everyone.
Cheers Huckleberry Farley

[Timber020]

Id like to know what kind of search the police are allowed to do to find the offending device, surely the read they get off the radar guns detector detector isnt going to be enough give out demerits. (as it could be coming from other cars in the vacinity) There are detectors that the cops cant pick up. I think one of the Bels come out on top, I would look these up.
THe good news is, the police currently use there radar and laser knowing there are so many detectors around, so they are more careful to use them in ways that they are harder to be picked up by those detectors. Once most people drop em, the cops will be more lax in how they use them.

[FJRider]

The goverment is basiclly MAJORITY rule. With the majority making the rules."WE" elect people we trust to make decisions / laws on "OUR" behalf,for our benefit.To protect us from potential harm. Perhaps a KB political party...oldrider for PM ...Take a poll on that ???

[awayatc]

The goverment is basiclly MAJORITY rule. With the majority making the rules."WE" elect people we trust to make decisions / laws on "OUR" behalf,for our benefit.To protect us from potential harm. Perhaps a KB political party...oldrider for PM ...Take a poll on that ???

He would get in for sure.......:clap:
That would be something new, a whif of common sense(sort off :D) in the beehive....He would get my vote for starters.....

[Banesto John]

Id like to know what kind of search the police are allowed to do to find the offending device, surely the read they get off the radar guns detector detector isnt going to be enough give out demerits. (as it could be coming from other cars in the vacinity) There are detectors that the cops cant pick up. I think one of the Bels come out on top, I would look these up.
THe good news is, the police currently use there radar and laser knowing there are so many detectors around, so they are more careful to use them in ways that they are harder to be picked up by those detectors. Once most people drop em, the cops will be more lax in how they use them.

It amuses me when people drag the old revenue collecting argument out.

The person most able to avoid donating revenue to the Govt coffers is the person speeding, not wearing the seatbelt etc. If they don't wanna donate, don't break the law.

The other issue is that when the detector ban kicks in, most fines are being reduced to a far smaller amount, but demerit points are going up. For example, seatbelt tickets, currently costing $150 and nil demerits, will be changing to $50 and 25 demerits.

What say those about revenue collecting ? Clearly the revenue is going down, so maybe the real motive behind enforcement is road safety, especially from the village idiots too lazy to wear a very basic thing like a seatbelt.

Muse on this : what sort of fool buys a $150 000 BMW car packed with every safety device known to man, then chooses to leave his seatbelt off, negating all the safety things he just paid a fortune for?

Must get off my soap box.

[Delphinus]

It amuses me when people drag the old revenue collecting argument out.

The person most able to avoid donating revenue to the Govt coffers is the person speeding, not wearing the seatbelt etc. If they don't wanna donate, don't break the law.

Thats not really the issue. Most of us obey reasonable laws. We don't steal other peoples gear, we don't kill other people.
But we disagree with the law saying that 99km/h is safe and you cannot hurt anyone or yourself, but the instant you are doing 105 you are speeding and therefore are a killer.
Its been said over and over again, education is a far better means of lowering the road toll. An alert biker riding within their limits at 120 is far safer than an idiot driving at 95 and not looking, not indicating, not being aware.

[The Pastor]

Its just a trick to get more people using public transport, more demerit (FFS 75 in one go is just not right) = more ppl losing licence = more people taking the buss.

I know for a fact that my 15yr old bike handles perfectly at 150-180+ (curent bike is limited to 180)km/hr ON THE PUBLIC ROAD.

I have not killed anyone, and i am not dead.

Its not speed that kills, it's the lack of skill.

[Aitch]

Surely the issue here is not whether or not we speed, it's that the government is pushing through its usual social engineering legislation as quietly as it can and as quickly as it can in the knowledge that it will be out of power at the next election, and also in the knowledge that the National government will not have the time nor the the inclination to reverse all of it.
The cynical way in which this socialist mob has foisted its agenda on us is shameful.
A classic example of a third term government!

[J_P]

I thought that the governments main intention was to slow people down, and using speed cameras as an example, they make their presence aware as often as possible with speed camera signs, etc. Didn't they get rid of completely hidden cameras altogether because they had no effect on slowing the traffic down?!

If a driver with a radar detector slows down due to the detector, isn't that the same result? They will be aware of the presence of the police and drive accordingly... Within the limit, which keeps the traffic flow within the limit. Shouldn't the gov't be happy with that?

My friend with a detector is a good cautious driver and generally drives within the limits, occasionally on a passing lane he will do 120ish to clear traffic. The point I am making, is that just because he has a detector, he does not drive like a mainiac, it just allows him to err on the side of caution when it is activated.
Now he will get demerit points and a fine for being cautious. Demerit points are far worse than a fine so a good deterant, sure. But I hardly think carrying a detector in a car warrants a penalty at all.

The gov't would be far better putting their efforts into improving licensing requirements, or putting a restriction on the amount of power a new cage driver has at their mercy.

[RiderInBlack]

If the cops are gonna pull someone over then I think they would go more so after people doing 130+ rather than someone doing 115 in a passing manouvere.

Anyway, it does not matter what I say in this forum after all, cos some one is always gonna frikkin say I am wrong...probably someone who has shit loads of speeding tickets...
Speaking as someone that has had his share of speeding tickets as a long distance tourer, yes I do think ya fu*ken wrong. Nearly all my tickets have been in the 111-116kph bracket in the last 5years on the open road. All have been on open road with little or no traffic on the road with me. So yes I do run a radar detector now, and yes I will keep using it. I will just have ta put it some where they can't spot it easily and then see if their Radar Detector Detectors really work.

Sorry but as far as I am concerned we have been conned into the belief that any speed over the posted limits in any conditions is deadly. What a load on BS. By the way I do ride to the conditions and change my speed accordingly (those that have riding with me will know that). Sometimes this means speeding up. This especially applies ta overtaking. I will not stay too long in the on-coming lane just ta risk getting killed trying ta keep the law happy.

[Delphinus]

Speaking as someone that has had his share of speeding tickets as a long distance tourer, yes I do think ya fu*ken wrong. Nearly all my tickets have been in the 111-116kph bracket in the last 5years on the open road. All have been on open road with little or no traffic on the road with me. So yes I do run a radar detector now, and yes I will keep using it. I will just have ta put it some where they can't spot it easily and then see if their Radar Detector Detectors really work.
Same here on all counts.
Detector has only saved me when doing between 111-118, in clear open roads.
Or times when I've been going to overtake but it warned me not to.

[Ixion]

A mate called in for a chat and a beer. He informs me that the the Speed detector bill went through parliament. And is now law. I think he said it will be enforced within the next month or so.



Impossible. The House rose on the 18th December, the date of the last order paper. The next sitting is not until 12th Februaruy. Nice long holidays these representicritters take.

And the banning of detectors could not be done as a Rule (which only requires Ministerial approval).

What has happened is that cabinet (*NOT* Parliament) have agreed on what changes they want. They still have to convince parliament (not, admittedly, that that is likely to be difficult given the drongos we have there).

But is is most certainly NOT law at present.

[huck farley]

Muse on this : what sort of fool buys a $150 000 BMW car packed with every safety device known to man, then chooses to leave his seatbelt off, negating all the safety things he just paid a fortune for?

Must get off my soap box.

You just Muse on this then mate. I had a head on with a stock truck and trailer back in July 95 I was driving my works van to Matamata to do a job. When this Fukin great Juggernaut came around the bend on my side of the road. There was no time to do anything instinctively I just dived across the the passenger side of the van It all happened in a Flash.

I lost a leg and the use of one arm as a result. I got taken to the Waikato hospital and was in ITU for ten days. To cut a long story very short. The driver of the Truck had gone to sleep at the wheel. I was told he had done
17 hours straight.

The cop that interviewed me said by not wearing a seat belt in this instance saved your life. If I had have been wearing one I would have been crushed and killed. I was in Hospital for four and a half months.

[huck farley]

[QUOTE=Aitch;1362618]Surely the issue here is not whether or not we speed, it's that the government is pushing through its usual social engineering legislation as quietly as it can and as quickly as it can in the knowledge that it will be out of power at the next election, and also in the knowledge that the National government will not have the time nor the the inclination to reverse all of it.
The cynical way in which this socialist mob has foisted its agenda on us is shameful.
A classic example of a third term government![/QUOTE


HOW VERY TRUE, YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

[huck farley]

Impossible. The House rose on the 18th December, the date of the last order paper. The next sitting is not until 12th Februaruy. Nice long holidays these representicritters take.

And the banning of detectors could not be done as a Rule (which only requires Ministerial approval).

What has happened is that cabinet (*NOT* Parliament) have agreed on what changes they want. They still have to convince parliament (not, admittedly, that that is likely to be difficult given the drongos we have there).

But is is most certainly NOT law at present.


Let me remind you that I was only told this by a mate who had come around for a beer. I don't know the politics of it. All I know is that someone on this thread who knows what he;s talking about has told us it is true. The cops are going to phase out Radar detectors. over a three year period.

They won't find mine cause I have it in my pocket. I don't think the law has the enfocement to do a body search or have they??????????

Anyway that's all I know what I posted when I started this thread was only hear say if you would like to go back to the start of the thread and have anther read up.
Anyway Cobber have a happy and safe new year.
Cheers Huckleberry Farley

[HRT]

You just Muse on this then mate. I had a head on with a stock truck and trailer back in July 95 I was driving my works van to Matamata to do a job. When this Fukin great Juggernaut came around the bend on my side of the road. There was no time to do anything instinctively I just dived across the the passenger side of the van It all happened in a Flash.

I lost a leg and the use of one arm as a result. I got taken to the Waikato hospital and was in ITU for ten days. To cut a long story very short. The driver of the Truck had gone to sleep at the wheel. I was told he had done
17 hours straight.

The cop that interviewed me said by not wearing a seat belt in this instance saved your life. If I had have been wearing one I would have been crushed and killed. I was in Hospital for four and a half months.




Come on, thats just luck. Come around the corner and it was a car that you hit on the other side of your vehicle then you'd be fucked.

Good to hear you got away from that, though the evidence from crashes would say that you're much more likely to walk away from a crash if you've had a seatbelt on.

You don't purposely not wear your seatbelt now because of that crash do you?

[The Pastor]

the only reason i wear a seatbelt is because i dont want a fine.

[Meanie]

Well i am going to buy a new one before they stop selling them :2thumbsup

[Ixion]

A seatbelt ?

[mxracer_nz]

MDU said it right when he said speed doesnt kill, sudden stops do.

The BIG LIE being told to you by politicians is that you will be safer because ipso facto anyone exceeding an arbitrarily dictated velocity is worse than a murderer or child molester. If speed kills, how come Helen didnt die when she was being convoyed from Waimate to Christchurch at warp 9?

What I object to is that New Zealand drivers generally are fucking dangerous at ANY speed, let alone 100kph.

I am going to purchase a radar detector, and a jammer, if I get my shit together enough to do so before they become unlawful.

Fuck Helen, and fuck Harry Dickshovin.


BOYAAA!! thats it right there

[Banesto John]

:whocares:
You just Muse on this then mate. I had a head on with a stock truck and trailer back in July 95 I was driving my works van to Matamata to do a job. When this Fukin great Juggernaut came around the bend on my side of the road. There was no time to do anything instinctively I just dived across the the passenger side of the van It all happened in a Flash.

I lost a leg and the use of one arm as a result. I got taken to the Waikato hospital and was in ITU for ten days. To cut a long story very short. The driver of the Truck had gone to sleep at the wheel. I was told he had done
17 hours straight.

The cop that interviewed me said by not wearing a seat belt in this instance saved your life. If I had have been wearing one I would have been crushed and killed. I was in Hospital for four and a half months.

I regret what happened to you, but to follow your logic, nobody in NZ should wear a seatbelt just in case it might hurt them or kill them. Admittedly that would probably double the road toll, but at least those who would have been killed by wearing a seatbelt will live. Trouble is, they are a very, very small minority. Yes, let's kill lots so a few can live. Yeah right.

Radar detectors make very little difference to the big picture, although they do make a difference to each individual using one. Look at the figures, I reckon probably 5% of motorists use them, that means 95% are not going to be affected by the rule change when it happens. Trouble is, it's a noisy 5%, the rest of us couldn't give a toss.:whocares:

[RnB Fan]

Don't have one. Don't need one (I ride like your grandmothers grandmother anyway). If you don't want a ticket then slow down!

[STUPY]

It amuses me when people drag the old revenue collecting argument out.

The person most able to avoid donating revenue to the Govt coffers is the person speeding, not wearing the seatbelt etc. If they don't wanna donate, don't break the law.

The other issue is that when the detector ban kicks in, most fines are being reduced to a far smaller amount, but demerit points are going up. For example, seatbelt tickets, currently costing $150 and nil demerits, will be changing to $50 and 25 demerits.

What say those about revenue collecting ? Clearly the revenue is going down, so maybe the real motive behind enforcement is road safety, especially from the village idiots too lazy to wear a very basic thing like a seatbelt.

Muse on this : what sort of fool buys a $150 000 BMW car packed with every safety device known to man, then chooses to leave his seatbelt off, negating all the safety things he just paid a fortune for?

Must get off my soap box.

sure the dollar value is going down with radar detectors gone there will be more caught, so an increase of lower dollar value fines! more demerit points, meaning there will and i quote " more drivers with no licences" meaning more money the goverment gets when everybody has to get thier work licence. how much is a work licence new days??? $1000??? so ya i think you must be right the aren't revenue gathering at all!!!!!!

but what do i know i'm just one voice!!!

[The Pastor]

video killed the radio star.

Labour killed nz.

[STUPY]

:whocares:

Radar detectors make very little difference to the big picture, although they do make a difference to each individual using one. Look at the figures, I reckon probably 5% of motorists use them, that means 95% are not going to be affected by the rule change when it happens. Trouble is, it's a noisy 5%, the rest of us couldn't give a toss.:whocares:

what!!!!! 5% where the hell did you get that figure from it's estimated at around 18% have them +/- 2%:wacko:

[Gubb]

Source?

10 char

[huck farley]

:whocares:
but to follow your logic, nobody in NZ should wear a seatbelt just in case it might hurt them or kill them. :

I wear a seat belt all the time, I did forget to put it on that day. Although I didn't use to care to much about wearing one in work truck. However I was merely stating that in my instance by not waring a belt saved my life. And it was a truck and trailer loaded with stock.

[oldrider]

None of this has anything to do with revenue collection as such, it's primary purpose is about "CONTROLL"!!!

Socialist governments are about removal of individual freedom and inflicting mass control.

Everybody singing from the same collective song sheet, written by the government, for the government.

All standards set by the lowest common denominator IE: collective mediocrity!

Are they winning? Hell yes! :yes: (IMHO) John. :crazy:

[cowboyz]

I really don't see an issue here, as I don't speed unless overtaking, and even then it is not by much. The people that have radar detectors are basically saying that they speed by the mere presence of a radar detector in or on their vehicle. I do not see the point of them if you don't speed.
If you are one of the ones that is pissed off by the law change then I have absolutely no sympathy for you, and you are better off not being on the road! :oi-grr:


Speed Kills, End of story!
Anyone else notice that those saying speeding is delibrate and unneccessary are riding 250s or BMWs?

The *only* thing that concerns me about the zx9r (cause it is a fantastic bike in every way) is how easy it is to creep up to 20-30 over the limit. Last ticket I got was for 122 on mountain road in taranaki. It was clear, striaght pieve of road and the conditions were mint and we were just enjoying the scenery and a cop showed up. Got pulled over a couple of weeks after that (but let off) leading a group of 15+ bikes just out of piahatua doing 116 on a striaght clear piece of road. It is irritating when cops dont use a bit of common sense and discretion.

as it happens I went down to Timaru and back again yesterday. I passed vehicles on the way and never went over 115 km/h.
Applying your own theroys you should either be dead or a killer. tsk tsk.

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!
Someone is differing of opinion to yours and you think they are pissed off? People can disagree and still be happy happy joy joy.

Na mate you have to work a lot harder than that to piss me off, i live next to cowboyz :rofl:

What a wanker.


I know for a fact that my 15yr old bike handles perfectly at 150-180+ (curent bike is limited to 180)km/hr ON THE PUBLIC ROAD.

I have not killed anyone, and i am not dead.

Its not speed that kills, it's the lack of skill.
Here in lies the problem. On one hand you have those who believe it is perfectly safe to do 150-180km/hr on the public road. They get away with it for so long and then crash and die and someone comes up with a slogan that speed kills. Then it gets applied to all those exceeding 100km.hr, no matter how little by.



Well i am going to buy a new one before they stop selling them :2thumbsup
no point. Now Mrs Meanie has that bit of paper you wont be able to get her off your bike for you to have a chance of speeding on it.

A seatbelt ?
How do you think he stays on the concours?

[The Pastor]

Anyone else notice that those saying speeding is delibrate and unneccessary are riding 250s or BMWs?

The *only* thing that concerns me about the zx9r (cause it is a fantastic bike in every way) is how easy it is to creep up to 20-30 over the limit. Last ticket I got was for 122 on mountain road in taranaki. It was clear, striaght pieve of road and the conditions were mint and we were just enjoying the scenery and a cop showed up. Got pulled over a couple of weeks after that (but let off) leading a group of 15+ bikes just out of piahatua doing 116 on a striaght clear piece of road. It is irritating when cops dont use a bit of common sense and discretion.

Applying your own theroys you should either be dead or a killer. tsk tsk.

Someone is differing of opinion to yours and you think they are pissed off? People can disagree and still be happy happy joy joy.

What a wanker.


Here in lies the problem. On one hand you have those who believe it is perfectly safe to do 150-180km/hr on the public road. They get away with it for so long and then crash and die and someone comes up with a slogan that speed kills. Then it gets applied to all those exceeding 100km.hr, no matter how little by.



no point. Now Mrs Meanie has that bit of paper you wont be able to get her off your bike for you to have a chance of speeding on it.

How do you think he stays on the concours?
have you been on a kiwibiker ride?

[cowboyz]

yes. why??

[Fatjim]

once again i have pissed someone off....lol what a frikkin joke this place is!
At the risk of pissing normal people off, what the real joke is the bike you're riding.