The Mouldy Bread Theory. Evolution explained. Religion exposed for what it is.

[Conquiztador]

Here it is peeps. The basics only:

Take a piece of bread. Put it on a table. In two days it goes hard. Nothing else. And that is how it will stay.

Take a second piece of bread. Put it in a plastic bag. Place it on the table next to the first one. Inside two days there will be mould growing on it.

That, my friends, is all we are. Mould. Right time. Right place. No reason. No planning. No creator. Just mould that has no purpose.

Live your life to the fullest.

Now.

[Sanx]

Here it is peeps. The basics only:

Take a piece of bread. Put it on a table. In two days it goes hard. Nothing else. And that is how it will stay.

Take a second piece of bread. Put it in a plastic bag. Place it on the table next to the first one. Inside two days there will be mold growing on it.

That, my friends, is all we are. Mold. Right time. Right place. No reason. No planning. No creator. Just mold that has no purpose.

Live your life to the fullest.

Now.

No no no. Any religious freak will pull that one apart. For instance:


Mould requires moisture to grow. The dry bread doesn't have any. The plastic bag, however, retains the moisture allowing the mould spores already on the bread to grow. That fact that mould can grow on a piece of bread shows the god's magnificence in allowing life to flourish no matter what the conditions. God designed the mould spores to float, unseen, through the air and god's greatest gift to mankind - free will - has allowed us sinners to carry put such experiments to further witness god's glory.

You're going to have to try better than that one. Problem is, as soon as you present them with a question they can't answer, you get the standard "We humans cannot fathom god's purpose" answer.

But here's a good poser for them. If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?

[Conquiztador]

No no no. Any religious freak will pull that one apart. For instance:


Mould requires moisture to grow. The dry bread doesn't have any. The plastic bag, however, retains the moisture allowing the mould spores already on the bread to grow. That fact that mould can grow on a piece of bread shows the god's magnificence in allowing life to flourish no matter what the conditions. God designed the mould spores to float, unseen, through the air and god's greatest gift to mankind - free will - has allowed us sinners to carry put such experiments to further witness god's glory.

You're going to have to try better than that one. Problem is, as soon as you present them with a question they can't answer, you get the standard "We humans cannot fathom god's purpose" answer.

But here's a good poser for them. If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?


It is clear that you have done your homework. But the basic fact is still there: Right place, right time, mould has no reason, and as we humans are part of the Mouldy Bread Theory, we too have no reason.

And re the answer: There is no question, therefore no answer is required.

[Harry33]

So we are mold? Is Jesus the bread? What about the Jesus fish thingy? Is Satan cheese? I like cheese, does that mean I'm evil? I'm so confused.

[Winston001]

But here's a good poser for them. If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?

Hmmm......so where did the alpha point, the Big Bang come from? We know that happened but not why or how? So is God or any deity going to be any more explicable?

What a way to start the year! :D

[civil]

So we are mould!
Ever looked at what the chances are of everything being just so here on earth to sustain life. Like your example of the piece of bread. The mould didn't just happen, it took some form of intervention to sustain the growth of the mould. Take away just one element and you do not get life.
The world we live in is finely balanced to sustain life, and that does not happen by chance.

As for the other question, God aways existed. This sure beats the other answer that "first there was nothing and then it exploded!!"

Also if we are all mould, then it would be OK for me to come along and beat you up, rape you wife and daughter, then steal your bike. I mean we are only mould anyway. Right and wrong do not exist, they are just concepts in our mouldy minds.

[pzkpfw]

So we are mould!
Ever looked at what the chances are of everything being just so here on earth to sustain life. Like your example of the piece of bread. The mould didn't just happen, it took some form of intervention to sustain the growth of the mould. Take away just one element and you do not get life.
The world we live in is finely balanced to sustain life, and that does not happen by chance.

You missed the point.

Conditions allowed life to evolve, and now that life says "gee aren't we neat?". If conditions were not right, we'd simply not be here (or at least not in this form) to say that.

To look backwards and say it is amazing that conditions were the way they were, is backwards.

A puddle may as well think "isn't it great that this pothole was here, just for me!".


As for the other question, God aways existed. This sure beats the other answer...

That is not a better answer. For God to make the Universe, makes God more than the Universe. You've made the "where did it all come from?" problem bigger.



...the other answer that "first there was nothing and then it exploded!!"

That's a misrepresentation. It wasn't exactly "nothing" - it's more that we don't know (yet). The big bang (which was actually a bad name for it) helped, for example, to remove the evidence for what came before. Science is not "finished" yet. It's not as simple as "God did it, now let's have lunch."


Also if we are all mould, then it would be OK for me to come along and beat you up, rape you wife and daughter, then steal your bike. I mean we are only mould anyway. Right and wrong do not exist, they are just concepts in our mouldy minds.

Yeah, the (insert religion here) view that if not for the religion it'd be OK to be "evil".

Concepts of right and wrong are things we've evolved over time, it makes societies function better, and has been part of the natural selection process.

Further, we have evolved intelligence, and can use it to modify our actions. To make our own minds up about how we behave.

Just look at how religions freely modify "right" and "wrong" (Crusades, anyone? How about an inquisition? Suicide bomber? ...)

This "why not just be evil?" question is one that really makes me sick about the "believers". If you need the "big stick" to modify your behaviour, that's just sad for you.

(To be fair, the reason we invented religions was to help modify our behaviours and make societies function well, while "answering" the big questions, so if that [still] helps you tick, that's cool.)

Cheers,

[vixter]

god man you need to get out more!!

[Fatjim]

Yeah, the (insert religion here) view that if not for the religion it'd be OK to be "evil".

Concepts of right and wrong are things we've evolved over time, it makes societies function better, and has been part of the natural selection process.

Further, we have evolved intelligence, and can use it to modify our actions. To make our own minds up about how we behave.

Just look at how religions freely modify "right" and "wrong" (Crusades, anyone? How about an inquisition? Suicide bomber? ...)

This "why not just be evil?" question is one that really makes me sick about the "believers". If you need the "big stick" to modify your behaviour, that's just sad for you.

Cheers,

Actually, you've missed the point here yourself. The point here if we are just an evolved sporum then there is no right or wrong outside of our induvidual beliefs. If I believe its ok to rape and beat up your wife, how can it be wrong? Religion does not make right or wrong, more often than not its wrong.


Athiests have a real issue dealing with the difference between religion and faith.

Religion is a set of rules that dealing with spiritual matters.

Faith is belief in something, usually based on some element of fact, but with a huge dolloping of trust in the unknown.

Thats why athiests can go on shitting on other religions (atheism is a religion too, and a faith based on my description), but will always struggle to dislodge a persons faith.

[pzkpfw]

Actually, you've missed the point here yourself. The point here if we are just an evolved sporum then there is no right or wrong outside of our induvidual beliefs. If I believe its ok to rape and beat up your wife, how can it be wrong? Religion does not make right or wrong, more often than not its wrong.

The missed point was the one in the OP, that one up in the beggining of this thread.

As animals, we generally don't eat our children like mice and and such sometimes do. We also don't eat the kids next door either. Our "morals" have transcended (evolved beyond) our personal boundaries.

If, without a God or belief or religion or faith (wanna split hairs some more?) a person can't "behave", that's fine, for them.

I've simply evolved to be a higher life-form. I'll show it by going out for a ride, now, on this nice sunny day...

(added later: ...on which I learned there is a coffee-van at the Paekakariki lookout)

Cheers,

[Drew]

Great read thus far...

The big bang did not come from nowhere however, the theory most commonly subscribed to is that in the begining, there was infact almost nothing, only darkness. In it was a miniscule spec of matter, near infinate in mass. This spec was so dense that the atoms had little space to move and bounce, so at some point it flew apart in a spectacular fashion. As everything moved out from this centre point it expanded to a comfy size for all the atoms contained to buzz around in a more stable environment.

Some bits are made up of more and some less of the different elements, thus creating different situations for evolution.

Just to throw the theology back in, I believe the above discription to be fact, yet I have faith in a higher power. I cannot explain why I believe what I do, yet can (and often do) argue both sides of the coin.

There WAS a guy called Jesus a couple thousand years ago, but I do not put much stock in his divinity. He simply had to exsist with all that is written about him.

[avrflr]

Conditions allowed life to evolve, and now that life says "gee aren't we neat?". If conditions were not right, we'd simply not be here (or at least not in this form) to say that.

To look backwards and say it is amazing that conditions were the way they were, is backwards.

A puddle may as well think "isn't it great that this pothole was here, just for me!".


I've always liked the weak anthropic principle and you've summed it up nicely.

IMHO, proving or disproving the existence of god is well beyond the grasp of humanity at the present time. I have no religious faith, but I will admit that, if god wanted to hide from me (and it would seem he does:)) he certainly could.

If god does indeed exist, he has done a very neat job of creating us a universe which provides us with plenty of reason to believe in the plausibility of his non-existence. The people who have convinced themselves that it is obvious on the basis of the available evidence that god exists, are effectively criticizing god's work.

[Steam]

If conditions were not right, we'd simply not be here (or at least not in this form) to say that.
To look backwards and say it is amazing that conditions were the way they were, is backwards.
A puddle may as well think "isn't it great that this pothole was here, just for me!".

Yes yes yes! Thanks for pointing that out. So many otherwise smart people seem to believe the Anthropic Principle applies, but they've got it all backwards. I just can't understand why anyone would think it's reasonable. (well, any thinking person. I can understand why spiritual types believe it.)

Good example with the puddle.

[rainman]

As animals, we generally don't eat our children like mice and and such sometimes do. We also don't eat the kids next door either. Our "morals" have transcended (evolved beyond) our personal boundaries.

If, without a God or belief or religion or faith (wanna split hairs some more?) a person can't "behave", that's fine, for them.

But we do do some pretty revolting things. And it's often the religious that do...

Core Buddhism. Seriously, it makes life a lot simpler...

[Drew]

I just can't understand why anyone would think it's reasonable. (well, any thinking person. I can understand why spiritual types believe it.)




Look up the discription of faith, and you will have your reason why intelligent thinking people consider it reasonable.

My way of explaining it is that it requires emotion and imagination. The two things that seperate humans from other species.

[Conquiztador]

And it is what humans tend to do. To try to find a purpose for their excistence. The "there must be a reason" force is strong with you, but you will learn. Other animals do not have this. Because they are not so evolved as humans. The biggest difference between us and other animals is that we have evolved more, we use our brain better. But we are still worth the same as an ant, as an fish or that possum you squashed under your tyre last night. And that is, in the big pictue, we are worth nothing.

But that is the problem humans have, they do not want to be worth nothing. They try to find a reson why they are here. When you then come and tell them that they are but mould they try to explain re the big bang, re god, re all other things that we have only our imagination to base it on.

I am happy being mould. To be born, to live and to die. There is no reason, nothing else, no before or after.

What is our rules, our concience we live by? Only thing they are is something the majority has decided on. Right is what the masses decide. And we follow like sheep.

Look at it this way: If earth exploded tomorrow and we all vanished, how would that change anything in the universe? (Apart from providing a straighter way for that Inter galactical highway...)

[onearmedbandit]

Cool, a religion thread, we haven't had one of these before.

[Fatjim]

Yes yes yes! Thanks for pointing that out. So many otherwise smart people seem to believe the Anthropic Principle applies.

You're quite right to some degree. But this is not proof of God, rather, that if you believe in God, then it supports your faith.

I have trouble fathoming Infinity, whether its the infinity of God in the Bible, or the infinity of the god of the big bang. I've always wondered what contains and exists outside the physical expanse of the universe.

[Steam]

Cool, a religion thread, we haven't had one of these before.

Hey didn't you used to be a mod? Why's your name not emboldened?

It's only a matter of time till it gets consigned to the Scottish Thread. Interesting tangent with the mould angle this time though.

[Storm]

So you reckon we're mold, and I have another idea.

I'd rather be riding than pondering these deep questions-am I a lesser or greater developed mold than you?:bleh:



PS For all that certain folk dont like CHRISTmas, theres been a shitload of religious threads in the last little while

[Conquiztador]

So you reckon we're mold, and I have another idea.

I'd rather be riding than pondering these deep questions-am I a lesser or greater developed mold than you?:bleh:



PS For all that certain folk dont like CHRISTmas, theres been a shitload of religious threads in the last little while

No no no. This is not a religious thread. Mould does not contain religion.

The Mouldy Bread Theory is there to provide you the freedom to do what you want to do as it does not matter.

So take it onboard and be free. Free to do what you want to do. As it does not matter. Nothing matters. Only if you allow it to.

[kevfromcoro]

A few months ago i had to get some papers signed by a JP..
Found one down town in a private house.....he was one of the most interesting guys i have met.
Had an office which was full of books..and internet.
On the wall was a picture of him when he was young.
He was a minister..yeah a proper one..black hat and all the shit..
After talking to him for a while.he said to me that he doesnt believe in the fath any more....
There is to much evidence that jesus didnt excist..also yrs before like about 30000 yrs before BC..there were very sofisicated people living on mother earth.made me think.....perhaps we are a drop in time of infinity...who noes...
least we ride bikes and are happy.
might go back and see that bloke again.....many stories to tell

[Hitcher]

And after supper he took bread and broke it, gave it to his disciples and said:

"Take ye half of this and leave it on the table. Do not consume it or compromise it with spreads from the fruit or that egregious black shit that Aussies like. Take the other half and put it in a plastic bag. Yea verily, in two score days you shall know the truth."

[NighthawkNZ]

Knowledge is power... and the human race now have knowledge of many things and still learning.

[Subike]

Religion is a set of rules that dealing with spiritual matters.
.

Religion = ANY set of rules that cover the actions of a group of people that gather togeather with one accord for the same reason = Kiwi Bikers.

Through selective searching and perception, we subconsiously seek data that supports our existing point of view, and avoid contradictory evidence.

So my truth about creations is what I have selected for myself,
it will differ from yours depending upon your perception.

Evolution, barrr humbug, no fossel remains of the mutants have been found.

Alien intervention, cant be rulled out , there is as much evidence to that as there is to evolution.

Of course I am subconsiously seeking data that supports my existing point of view, and avoid contradictory evidence which would prove me wrong.

Feel free to check my spelling,

[DougB]

You have to decide which one of these two is correct.

1. There is a god that always existed
2. There is a universe that always existed

It is very very hard to even think about such ideas as to us mortals everything is seen to have a beginning and and end.

If you decide on 1. then which god? There are many past and present to choose from, all with sincere believers that theirs is the only true one.

Some say that both god and the universe always existed
but I dont see the need for a god.

I am a freemason and as such I have to believe in a supreme architect, mine is nature and evolution in a universe that always existed.Masons are a brotherhood of men of all religions. Just last month I saw a Moslem join the lodge and there were Jews, Christians and Moslems there all worship different Gods.

I believe that in a lodge in Hong Kong there are seven religions present. Each religion has its "volume of the sacred law" on display.

There is a big Masonic bikers club in USA. In my lodge there a four motorcyclists, one a classic bike racer.

It is forbidden to talk about religion or politics inside a Masonic Lodge and a thread such as this would be impossible on a Masonic forum as these are subjects that invoke high emotions and no consensis is possible. Discussion such as this can only result in acrimony.

[MyGSXF]

If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?

MARS!!!! coz he's a ferkin MALE :doh: & no one can work out the reasoning of ferkin males!!!!!!!! :stupid:

[pritch]

Discussion such as this can only result in acrimony.

Specially on KB, but so far so good...

God created man in his own image, what if He too has a sense of humour?
:confused:

[Edbear]

Mmmmm! So much erroneous opinion from so many who haven't actually spent the time in study with an open mind to find out the actual facts.

May I suggest a perusal of the aforementioned "Scottish Thread"? Say, from about page 300 or so?

People will almost always believe what they want to believe regardless whether it is true or false, and many, sadly, have been put off wanting to know because of the trouble and hypocrisy of organised religion - both so-called "Christian" and Pagan. Both sides are as greedy, blind and bloodthirsty as the other and have precious little to do with the Bible or the Creator. In fact, the Bible clearly condemns those who claim to believe and follow and preach it as hypocrites and liars.

The truth can be found, it just takes an open mind and a little determination. The truth is fully supported by Science and contrary to most of the dogma that is propounded as fact.

As regards mold, have you not researched Louis Pastuer's work? Also, while you personally may feel no moral responsibility or any purpose in life, the fact is that most human beings do, suggesting a higher intelligence and spirit in Man. You oversimplify life and conveniently have little actual knowledge.

Have you created a child and witnessed their birth? Have you held your newborn baby in your arms having just held your wife as she gave birth? Have you then seen that little baby grow up to become a woman and held your Grandson in your arms moments after she gave birth to him? Have you seen the bond of love between that Grandson and his mother, recognising the same bond of love you had with her? Have you seen your daughter hurt by a man and wanted to kill that man? Try that and see if you still think they are mere mold...

[FJRider]

Mmmmm! So much erroneous opinion from so many who haven't actually spent the time in study with an open mind to find out the actual facts.



People will almost always believe what they want to believe regardless whether it is true or false

It wont be the first time people have not let FACTS, stand in the way of a good story.

[smoky]

Never mind moldy bread; take two bolts out of your diff, put them on a work bench with everything else you pulled apart.
Repiar the diff, (before it grows mold).
Even if you put one of the bolts in a plastic bag I will guarantee you will find one of them has grown wings and you’ll never find it again.

So that proves it, and that’s why I will never believe in Santa

[Conquiztador]

Mmmmm! So much erroneous opinion from so many who haven't actually spent the time in study with an open mind to find out the actual facts.

May I suggest a perusal of the aforementioned "Scottish Thread"? Say, from about page 300 or so?

People will almost always believe what they want to believe regardless whether it is true or false, and many, sadly, have been put off wanting to know because of the trouble and hypocrisy of organised religion - both so-called "Christian" and Pagan. Both sides are as greedy, blind and bloodthirsty as the other and have precious little to do with the Bible or the Creator. In fact, the Bible clearly condemns those who claim to believe and follow and preach it as hypocrites and liars.

The truth can be found, it just takes an open mind and a little determination. The truth is fully supported by Science and contrary to most of the dogma that is propounded as fact.

As regards mold, have you not researched Louis Pastuer's work? Also, while you personally may feel no moral responsibility or any purpose in life, the fact is that most human beings do, suggesting a higher intelligence and spirit in Man. You oversimplify life and conveniently have little actual knowledge.

Have you created a child and witnessed their birth? Have you held your newborn baby in your arms having just held your wife as she gave birth? Have you then seen that little baby grow up to become a woman and held your Grandson in your arms moments after she gave birth to him? Have you seen the bond of love between that Grandson and his mother, recognising the same bond of love you had with her? Have you seen your daughter hurt by a man and wanted to kill that man? Try that and see if you still think they are mere mold...

I have 4 children. I was at their births. There is nothing I would not do for them. You are talking about emotions.
In my reality they are part of the same coincidence as the rest of us. Right place, right time. No reason.

And there is no need for me to do research re mould. Why should I? At the end of the day it has no meaning.

The human race is spending time and effort to try and understand how all fits together. And then what? We are going to do what with this knowledge? Change the unidverse? And we can not even cure the common cold...

"The truth can be found, it just takes an open mind and a little determination." The truth about what? Why we are here? Our purpose? Life after death? The universe? You have as little knowledge about this as my cat. But she is better of because she does not waste time on stuff that has no meaning.

[smoky]

Curious you should talk about bread to disprove a creator, they used it to challenge us to believe;
John 6:35
Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.

[smoky]

Proverbs 6:26
for the prostitute reduces you to a loaf of bread, and the adulteress preys upon your very life.


And someone on KB reduces us to the mold on the bread, and say's there is no meaning to life!!!

[crazyxr250rider]

Mmmmm! So much erroneous opinion from so many who haven't actually spent the time in study with an open mind to find out the actual facts.

May I suggest a perusal of the aforementioned "Scottish Thread"? Say, from about page 300 or so?

People will almost always believe what they want to believe regardless whether it is true or false, and many, sadly, have been put off wanting to know because of the trouble and hypocrisy of organised religion - both so-called "Christian" and Pagan. Both sides are as greedy, blind and bloodthirsty as the other and have precious little to do with the Bible or the Creator. In fact, the Bible clearly condemns those who claim to believe and follow and preach it as hypocrites and liars.

The truth can be found, it just takes an open mind and a little determination. The truth is fully supported by Science and contrary to most of the dogma that is propounded as fact.

As regards mold, have you not researched Louis Pastuer's work? Also, while you personally may feel no moral responsibility or any purpose in life, the fact is that most human beings do, suggesting a higher intelligence and spirit in Man. You oversimplify life and conveniently have little actual knowledge.

Have you created a child and witnessed their birth? Have you held your newborn baby in your arms having just held your wife as she gave birth? Have you then seen that little baby grow up to become a woman and held your Grandson in your arms moments after she gave birth to him? Have you seen the bond of love between that Grandson and his mother, recognising the same bond of love you had with her? Have you seen your daughter hurt by a man and wanted to kill that man? Try that and see if you still think they are mere mold...Emotions are simply there to drive us to breed.The feelings you have during the above moments are only there to have something to live for, so the species will continue to exist, a feature we share with many species.

[_Shrek_]

Here it is peeps. The basics only:

Take a piece of bread. Put it on a table. In two days it goes hard. Nothing else. And that is how it will stay.

Take a second piece of bread. Put it in a plastic bag. Place it on the table next to the first one. Inside two days there will be mould growing on it.

That, my friends, is all we are. Mould. Right time. Right place. No reason. No planning. No creator. Just mould that has no purpose.

Live your life to the fullest.

Now.


No no no. Any religious freak will pull that one apart. For instance:

Mould requires moisture to grow. The dry bread doesn't have any. The plastic bag, however, retains the moisture allowing the mould spores already on the bread to grow. That fact that mould can grow on a piece of bread shows the god's magnificence in allowing life to flourish no matter what the conditions. God designed the mould spores to float, unseen, through the air and god's greatest gift to mankind - free will - has allowed us sinners to carry put such experiments to further witness god's glory.
You're going to have to try better than that one. Problem is, as soon as you present them with a question they can't answer, you get the standard "We humans cannot fathom god's purpose" answer.


you guys will be dead less than two seconds & relise you have made I big mistake

it is appointed for a man/woman to die once then the judgement Heb:9.27


But here's a good poser for them. If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?[/QUOTE]

simple He always "was"

[EJK]

Mould requires moisture to grow. The dry bread doesn't have any. The plastic bag, however, retains the moisture allowing the mould spores already on the bread to grow. That fact that mould can grow on a piece of bread shows the god's magnificence in allowing life to flourish no matter what the conditions. God designed the mould spores to float, unseen, through the air and god's greatest gift to mankind - free will - has allowed us sinners to carry put such experiments to further witness god's glory.
You're going to have to try better than that one. Problem is, as soon as you present them with a question they can't answer, you get the standard "We humans cannot fathom god's purpose" answer.

OK we are talking Science now, are we?

[Conquiztador]

No no no. Any religious freak will pull that one apart. For instance:

Mould requires moisture to grow. The dry bread doesn't have any. The plastic bag, however, retains the moisture allowing the mould spores already on the bread to grow. That fact that mould can grow on a piece of bread shows the god's magnificence in allowing life to flourish no matter what the conditions. God designed the mould spores to float, unseen, through the air and god's greatest gift to mankind - free will - has allowed us sinners to carry put such experiments to further witness god's glory.
You're going to have to try better than that one. Problem is, as soon as you present them with a question they can't answer, you get the standard "We humans cannot fathom god's purpose" answer.


you guys will be dead less than two seconds & relise you have made I big mistake

it is appointed for a man/woman to die once then the judgement Heb:9.27


But here's a good poser for them. If everything in the universe has a creator, where did god come from?

simple He always "was"

Yes yes yes. You are still only mould. The reason you exist is that you were on the piece of bred that got tucked in that plastic bag. Your mate Bob, who was on that other bread piece, will never exist.

I have done my discussing with religious believers. I believe in The Mouldy Bread Theory. It has all I need, it has nothing to give me, but as I need nothing it keeps me happy.

Se, I do not need to believe in an afterlife to behave nicely to others. I manage to do that anyhow.

[Storm]

But are there other things than bread that grow mold- what about them? Are they aliens?

[awayatc]

Here it is peeps. The basics only:

Take a piece of bread. Put it on a table. In two days it goes hard. Nothing else. And that is how it will stay.

Take a second piece of bread. Put it in a plastic bag. Place it on the table next to the first one. Inside two days there will be mould growing on it.

That, my friends, is all we are. Mould. Right time. Right place. No reason. No planning. No creator. Just mould that has no purpose.

Live your life to the fullest.

Now.

Thank god there is more then one sort of bread....:slap:

Might try the "go on the table bit" without the bag......just to see if it works to go hard and stay that way.....:)

or mayb try another bag....?:spanking:
What?:innocent:

[mrchips]

mmmmm, I like wholemeal bread with tuna & baked beans.

[DEATH_INC.]

I have a different theory....you lot only exist in my consciousness....you are all only here to make my existence real. There is no way of me being able to prove indefinately that what I see or feel or hear etc actually exists and is not just something dreamed up by my own thoughts..... think about it.... :confused:

[Conquiztador]

I have a different theory....you lot only exist in my consciousness....you are all only here to make my existence real. There is no way of me being able to prove indefinately that what I see or feel or hear etc actually exists and is not just something dreamed up by my own thoughts..... think about it.... :confused:

I did. But not even my mind is able to come up with things that are this sick, so disregarded that theory.

[McJim]

This is what comes from putting 'The Scottish Thread' in PD. All of these things and more were eloquently discussed by messrs WINJA, Wolf, Zed and some others for some years.

Anyway - God is ineffable...basically take a look at the state of the world...he simply couldn't be effed! :rofl:

[smoky]

I have a different theory....you lot only exist in my consciousness....you are all only here to make my existence real. There is no way of me being able to prove indefinately that what I see or feel or hear etc actually exists and is not just something dreamed up by my own thoughts..... think about it.... :confused:

They call that the theory of ‘egocentric centralism’.
Change your thought process and change the world.

What about the 'atomic inversion theory'; you know how an atom has electron/s orbiting it’s nucleus, and we/everything is made of atoms (fact) – we’ll the theory goes our planet is merely an electron orbiting a nucleus called the sun, and we are just one atom in our universe that makes the bodyment of a larger existence.
So in everything is held a universe within a universe.

[rainman]

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/08/16/a-life-with-no-purpose/


Darwinian evolution tells us that we are incipient compost: assemblages of complex molecules that - for no greater purpose than to secure sources of energy against competing claims - have developed the ability to speculate. After a few score years, the molecules disaggregate and return whence they came. Period.

As a gardener and ecologist, I find this oddly comforting. I like the idea of literal reincarnation: that the molecules of which I am composed will, once I have rotted, be incorporated into other organisms. Bits of me will be pushing through the growing tips of trees, will creep over them as caterpillars, will hunt those caterpillars as birds. When I die, I would like to be buried in a fashion which ensures that no part of me is wasted. Then I can claim to have been of some use after all.

Is this not better than the awful lottery of judgement? Is a future we can predict not more comforting than one committed to the whims of inscrutable authority? Is eternal death not a happier prospect than eternal life? The atoms of which we are composed, which we have borrowed momentarily from the ecosphere, will be recycled until the universe collapses. This is our continuity, our eternity. Why should anyone want more?

Well worth the read...