Street racing; making up rules as they go..??..

[feral1]

PORT NELSON street meet.

I hear from a mate competing that they have ousted SV650's out of the Formula Three in nelson street meet.
WTF; what is going on? Are we making up rules as we go along??

This is just from a couple of texts i recieved today from a mate. but it appears they have said that there should be no water cooled V-twins over 600cc. Some BEARS rules they are running. But hang-on.. This is F3 right..??..

Now, I've got all the respect in the world for club's to run its own regulations. But this choppin and changing of rules is not helpful.

Appearantly other Jappa F3 bikes are running. But no SV's they've been told. My mate said some guy was justifiably upset, had a stern word to the officials. Upon this heated argument he had his entry form torn up and told to: 'feck off then'.
How would you feel if you made the effort to go up only to have this pulled.

Can someone shed light on this? Truth in this?
I hope not. Hope it was just my mate pulling my leg. If not, it would be a sad indicement and hopefully not tarnish an otherwise excellent meeting.

Feral

[Rashika]

well it certainly sounds like things haven't changed for Port Nelson racing this year then... fkn glad I didn't waste my time going this year.
Wonder if TonyB will be affected on his Monster? Guess we will see after racing today.
Feel bad for your mate tho Feral, that would piss me off completely!

I dont recall that they were running a separate Protwins class either, were they? If they did then I guess it would be a fair call.

[dangerous]

so, its starting out as a big a shambles as last year... bugger, I hope the safty concerns from last year dont return.
We need street racing to stay in NZ, but I dont like the chances.

[skidMark]

well thats silly they can change the rules....but a bit of prior notice would have been fair ....if it's true

[Kickaha]

what is going on? Are we making up rules as we go along??


Wanganui did,http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=63781 maybe there's a trend developing

If this is the case they need to be writing to both MNZ and the organisers asking for an explanation, they need to make sure nothing was published in the supplementary regulations as well


Oh yeah, Greymouth is still the best organised street race I have ever competed at

[feral1]

Yeah, it woul be weird to just chop and change the rules like that.

However, the above snippet of info about 650's being excluded was just a something a friend who is competing mentioned.

Can a competitor or someone who was at sign-in, riders briefing and the actual F3 racing confirm??

[sunhuntin]

if they keep doing shit like this, then street racing wont last much longer. i hate that they keep changing the rules at the last minute.
those riders that get affected, whether its by grid position, or not being allowed to race at all, should get their entry fees back.

[nsrpaul]

yes, sv 650s were not allowed in f3 at the port, i questioned the organisers on this one several days ago and they would not enter into a debate on this mater
it was due to the chairmans interpretation of the rules in the current mnz rulebook, when i pointed out the flaws, ie that he hadn't read the whole page, the reason was to even up the class

overall the meeting was better than last year mind, but f2 and f3 only got two races again due to the road surface braking up, one could theorise that this was due to the pace car, opps im sorry, changed to safety car to wsolve last years concerns hussing it up all over the show

this really grates me, why the fuck do you need a pace car? if it is for track inspection, how much inspection is he doing when fanging it? and why two and sometimes 3 laps!!!!!!!!!!!
and why oh why do they not just get the marshalls to radio in the all clear like we used to, surely that would be quicker and safer

surely its not for the crowds, as they have just come to see a BIKE RACE, not a pussy ausie hep of shit, and surely not as none of the barriers etc are up to standard for a car based event, now that would put an end to street racing, a ford falcon taking out spectators at a bike race !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rashika]

overall the meeting was better than last year mind, but f2 and f3 only got two races again due to the road surface braking up, one could theorise that this was due to the pace car, opps im sorry, changed to safety car to solve last years concerns hussing it up all over the show

this really grates me, why the fuck do you need a pace car? if it is for track inspection, how much inspection is he doing when fanging it?

they need one so that it can try to run up my arse ;)
...well at least thats what it tried to do last year, after a marshall let me out... (cos my bike wouldn't start at first so i missed the warmup lap)... and he came racing round like he was on fire, and damn near run me down. So obviously the bucket club letter to them meant shit all and they have changed nothing... I guess we prob wont be racing there again.
Roll on Greymouth :Punk:

[nsrpaul]

and steve on the rgv was on a flyer

[dangerous]

yes, sv 650s were not allowed in f3 at the port,

overall the meeting was better than last year mind,

one could theorise that this was due to the pace car, opps im sorry, changed to safety car to wsolve last years concerns hussing it up all over the show

this really grates me, why the fuck do you need a pace car? if it is for track inspection, how much inspection is he doing when fanging it? and why two and sometimes 3 laps!!!!!!!!!!!
and why oh why do they not just get the marshalls to radio in the all clear like we used to, surely that would be quicker and safer

none of the barriers etc are up to standard for a car based event, now that would put an end to street racing, a ford falcon taking out spectators at a bike race !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Man... Im not up with the SV650 thing so wont comment at this time.

The safety car is complete and utter crap, no other bike street race uses one that I know of.. and remember last year how Rashika had a near escape with being flattened by the fucking thing.

hell yeah any halfwit in a cage can lose it christ look at Roger Freth, Possum and the guy in Oz that wound up around a gum tree last year, fuck there pace car... all i can think of is the car is a sponsor.

Better than last year... not for us lot putting post classic with buckets would have made me wild as, na sorry unless I get a better feed back I wont be back... and you must remember I live for street racing.

[Taz]

Street racing sucks anyway. Much better at the track from a spectators point of view.

[sAsLEX]

Street racing sucks anyway. Much better at the track from a spectators point of view.

very debatable


look at the crowds at Wanganui and Paeroa and then look at the Nats turn out and tell which has more,

[dangerous]

Street racing sucks anyway. Much better at the track from a spectators point of view.

Ya joking right?
Mate duno what the street races are like were ever you are from, but down here they go off with the spectators in a big way.
a dear mesh fenc is all that seperates those watching and the riders... at a race track ya having to watch from a distance???

[TonyB]

I see the meeting was being bagged before it even got under way. From my point of view the meeting was very very well run. Scrutineering was VERY fast and efficient. The racing started early, non-injury accidents were dealt with very quickly, and until the afternoons carnage they were getting through the racing very quickly.

The SV650 thing- seems bloody odd that two street meetings have decided that SV650's aren't eligable. Surely its not numbers- I was allowed LATE entry to F2, F3 and BEARS on the same bike. Will be interesting to see if they are allowed at the Nationals- maybe these guys know something we don't...or maybe they are reading the rules wrong...

Safety Car- The way the safety car was used this year, there is no way it could have run any riders over. Unless of course it couldn't stop in time to avoid a fallen rider when it was following the race for the first half a lap. They absolutely would not allow riders out late.

One thing I simply can't understand though, is how the hell they are supposed to be checking the track for problems/debris when they are 'inspecting' the track by going at 10/10ths in a late model XR8.

It did seem to serve a purpose though- when the F1 boys had a crash at turn one, they were able to park it in plain sight to warn the riders that there was a problem when they finished the first lap...which was handy as everyone was waving a YELLOW flag, not a red one- well there was one, but the bloody flag fell off :killingme.

The thing is, I think the Safety car creates more dangers than it fixes. At the speed it is going, if the driver stuffed up it would take out a LOT of spectators. If the only reason a late rider can't take to the track late is because the Safety Car poses a danger, then maybe its not actually adding any value.

[dangerous]

It did seem to serve a purpose though- when the F1 boys had a crash at turn one, they were able to park it in plain sight to warn the riders that there was a problem when they finished the first lap...which was handy as everyone was waving a YELLOW flag, not a red one
So they parked a car.. on the track while riders were still riding about on a yellow flag, I would have thought that would make for a lage object to hit and more riders go down??? :wacko:

[bell]

Ya joking right?
Mate duno what the street races are like were ever you are from, but down here they go off with the spectators in a big way.
a dear mesh fenc is all that seperates those watching and the riders... at a race track ya having to watch from a distance???

How close does one need to be?

[sAsLEX]

How close does one need to be?

bloody Nicko was taking it rather wide coming into the Ss at wanganui had to stand up to avoid him nearly

[TonyB]

So they parked a car.. on the track while riders were still riding about on a yellow flag, I would have thought that would make for a lage object to hit and more riders go down??? :wacko: Nah- the accident was at turn 1. I imagine the car couldn't have gotten past the accident even if it had tried. Plus EVERY marshal and official on the straight were frantically waving the bikes down. It was all pretty safe- a bit tense but safe.

Early on they had a paramedic in the safety car- the idea being that help is on hand immediately in the first few corners where accidents are likely to happen. Then when she had to attend to an injured rider who stayed on site, they put a fire fighter in. Later on it was a cop. The FF and the cop would have first aid certs. So I guess I can see the point of the safety car, but the way it did the sighting lap seemed a bit pointless from a sfety point of view.

[bell]

Early on they had a paramedic in the safety car- the idea being that help is on hand immediately in the first few corners where accidents are likely to happen. Then when she had to attend to an injured rider who stayed on site, they put a fire fighter in. Later on it was a cop. The FF and the cop would have first aid certs. So I guess I can see the point of the safety car, but the way it did the sighting lap seemed a bit pointless from a sfety point of view.

When this little sequence took place the Paramedic was on hand within about 20 seconds. That was useful. Otherwise it was a waste of time and bitumen. I so wanted to give a slow "wanker" hand signal every time he went around. I resisted. It took a bit of restraint...

[MyGSXF]

they need one so that it can try to run up my arse ;)
...well at least thats what it tried to do last year, after a marshall let me out... (cos my bike wouldn't start at first so i missed the warmup lap)... and he came racing round like he was on fire, and damn near run me down. So obviously the bucket club letter to them meant shit all and they have changed nothing... I guess we prob wont be racing there again.
Roll on Greymouth :Punk:

Sounds more like an unfortunate clash of timing & events G.. than a "deliberate act against you" m'dear.. :msn-wink:

a) should they really have let you out if you missed the warmup lap?

b) the Marshall who let you out is more likely at fault here (for letting you out/&/or not informing anyone on his walkie talkie thingeemagig that you were going out & thus to inform the car there is another bike on the track)

c) how was the car to have known that you had been let out onto the track late..(surely not something they would be expecting!!) to know to "slow down" for you...??

sooo.. in summing up.. :cool: not deliberate, poor communication, bad timing & judgment calls... :rolleyes:

Tis a shame for you guys to boycott this event & still be plastering it on a national forum a year later.. when sooo many other people spoke of a well organized day that they thoroughly enjoyed & will be back to participate in again next year. ;)

just trying to add a rational point of view here.. & not one based on emotions because they were "pissed off at not getting to race a certain bike in a certain class, or pissed with the car" etcetcetc.. ok :yes:

[sAsLEX]

Sounds more like an unfortunate clash of timing & events G.. than a "deliberate act against you" m'dear.. :msn-wink:

a) should they really have let you out if you missed the warmup lap?

b) the Marshall who let you out is more likely at fault here (for letting you out/&/or not informing anyone on his walkie talkie thingeemagig that you were going out & thus to inform the car there is another bike on the track)

c) how was the car to have known that you had been let out onto the track late..(surely not something they would be expecting!!) to know to "slow down" for you...??

sooo.. in summing up.. :cool: not deliberate, poor communication, bad timing & judgment calls... :rolleyes:

Tis a shame for you guys to boycott this event & still be plastering it on a national forum a year later.. when sooo many other people spoke of a well organized day that they thoroughly enjoyed & will be back to participate in again next year. ;)

just trying to add a rational point of view here.. & not one based on emotions because they were "pissed off at not getting to race a certain bike in a certain class, or pissed with the car" etcetcetc.. ok :yes:


Well most I have read point to the fact that a slow heavy pig of an Australian V8 is not required to race around the track at all!


I mean Wanganui they had an old guy on a bike and a little 4x4 but neither of them went quickly at all so no problem would of occurred.

And adding to that it sounds as though the car thrashing about didnt help the tarmac situation.

[MyGSXF]

Well most I have read point to the fact that a slow heavy pig of an Australian V8 is not required to race around the track at all!

I agree! :yes: I felt the car was a pain in the arse myself! :tugger: & as already stated could easily have posed MORE of a problem if he lost control! :eek5:


And adding to that it sounds as though the car thrashing about didnt help the tarmac situation.

Possibly not.. however it was ferkin HOT here today.. & I mean HOT!!! :blink: there was tar bleed in several places, so the track was not in the best condition.. even without the car! :oi-grr:

[Kickaha]

Tis a shame for you guys to boycott this event & still be plastering it on a national forum a year later.. when sooo many other people spoke of a well organized day that they thoroughly enjoyed & will be back to participate in again next year. ;)

Maybe this year was different but I've done it three times and not once would I have described it as well organised

[TonyB]

Possibly not.. however it was ferkin HOT here today.. & I mean HOT!!! :blink: there was tar bleed in several places, so the track was not in the best condition.. even without the car! :oi-grr:The tar was bleeding even in the pits where my bikes were parked. I guess the car wouldn't have helped at all, but it probably wouldn't have made that much difference to the track condition.


Maybe this year was different but I've done it three times and not once would I have described it as well organised
I thought this year was really well run. Obviously there were some issues with the SV650's in F3, but other than that it was pretty bloody good.

[Rashika]

Sounds more like an unfortunate clash of timing & events G.. than a "deliberate act against you" m'dear.. :msn-wink:

a) should they really have let you out if you missed the warmup lap?

b) the Marshall who let you out is more likely at fault here (for letting you out/&/or not informing anyone on his walkie talkie thingeemagig that you were going out & thus to inform the car there is another bike on the track)

c) how was the car to have known that you had been let out onto the track late..(surely not something they would be expecting!!) to know to "slow down" for you...??

sooo.. in summing up.. :cool: not deliberate, poor communication, bad timing & judgment calls... :rolleyes:

Tis a shame for you guys to boycott this event & still be plastering it on a national forum a year later.. when sooo many other people spoke of a well organized day that they thoroughly enjoyed & will be back to participate in again next year. ;)

see the post on the other thread about most of the above - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1363561&posted=1#post1363561
but to add here:

• I never saw it as a deliberate act against me, tho it was a danger to every racer out there... but as a marshalls stupidity (or lack of knowledge about the pace/safety/whatever car), and why the fuck should we be concerned about being run down from behind by a speeding car (and he goes far to fast to be doing sighting lap, and THAT obviously has not changed this meet), on a bike racetrack???????????????
•Any bikes on the track KNOW to slow down as approaching the start/finish line for the start of the race, the car driver seems to know fuck all about being on a roadracing track.
• and the car driver should have been expecting anything and everything, he was supposedly doing a sighting lap, shouldn't he have had his eyes open? (having said that he musta cos he DIDN'T hit me ;) onya mate)
• we DIDN'T boycott the event: most people were still so fucked off about the entire days racing (and the above was only 1 area of concern to most of the racers), and lack of response to our complaints, that they had made other plans for new year by november.

Me? Well I was still contemplating going till a few weeks before the cutoff, but have other reasons now to be careful out there, so decided not to.

[dangerous]

"Tis a shame for you guys to boycott this event & still be plastering it on a national forum a year later..
ohhh man, like I say below... theres more in volved than the pace car, one example is, would you race pregnant on a track in conditions that you believe UNSAFE.
The race was not boycoted as such, the Nelson club did not respond to leters sent to them, i finely got to talk to darren H at Greymouth he got on to the case there and then, but thats to late as most of us in the club have familys and had alredy made other planes.



sooo.. in summing up.. :cool: not deliberate, poor communication, bad timing & judgment calls... :rolleyes:
WHICH CAN LEAD TO DEATH is it really worth it? dont role ya eyes at a safty concern

You must remember I am club pressident... I had a LOT of complaints from last year, I was the one dealing with the Nelson club, and believe me ... there was a lot more in volved than JUST that car.



c) how was the car to have known that you had been let out onto the track late..(surely not something they would be expecting!!) to know to "slow down" for you...??

always expect the unexpected Jen you know that... the car is ment to be doing a siting lap the driver as you would expect gets carried away in the heat of the noment.


Sounds more like an unfortunate clash of timing & events G.. than a "deliberate act against you" m'dear.. :msn-wink:
which could end up as a death... what if the car span out and killed your boy?

You are looking at this from a spectators point a view Jen... try it from the racers view.

[feral1]

yes, sv 650s were not allowed in f3 at the port, i questioned the organisers on this one several days ago and they would not enter into a debate on this mater
it was due to the chairmans interpretation of the rules in the current mnz rulebook, when i pointed out the flaws, ie that he hadn't read the whole page, the reason was to even up the class



Thanks NSR Paul.

It seems wierd that they exluded the SV's. I mean come on. For better or for worse, love it or hate it, they have been part of F3 for season's now. It just seems wierd to me to chuck em out. The MNZ class rules are pretty clear.
What do you think about this Paul? Surely all other people would run F3 as it has been for years. The Nationals will be to MNZ spec. So I just can't work it out what made them make that call.
Feel for any fellow F3 racer that made the effort only to have to park their F3 bike up for the day and watch. suk
PS, Stevo did do great, aye :) Team Kaos Racing on the hot lil' ZXR was on fire too :) go that man :clap:

TonyB: please, let me be crystal clear. I have no intend to blag or run down the organisers of any NZ street meet. I know what is involved and the commitment required in organising. My hat goes of to all these people that make this possible. I know of the main man up there, he's a bloody wicked chap and him and his partner have made huge sacrificies for their event, incl monetary. Being a motorcycle event organiser myself, I know it can be a thankless job. So: THANK YOU to the people that give their time to allow us to enjoy our racing.

Rashika, Daryll and the bucket crew. I know there have been some bad tastes for you in the past and I think we have covered them pretty comprehensively over the last year or so (various threads). But what I wanted to have a discussion about is the F3 rules.


PS. as a closing para. I had various friends and my team mates race at this meeting. And all came back saying it was a wick day. So at the end of it; well done folks :)

Ta
Feral

[steve74]

It seems that the rules at a street race are not set in stone and do differ from the rule book. I found it increadibly strange without SV650s in the F3 field. in my opinion if its run under MNZ control, it must run by the MNZ rules.
My old 2 stroke 250 became competitive all of a sudden. As paul said, it did make racing in F3 pretty even. With the exception of Ritchie Newberrys rocket ship zxr440, all of the 30 odd bikes entered were pretty evenly matched.

It also amused me that the new rule enforced by MNZ at the Greymouth event regarding motards racing against road machines dosnt apply to the nelson club when it comes to the all in King of the Port race??

these things aside i thought it was a great event, the sun did let us down a lot with the tar melting and the track falling to bits, but just like the rain at greymouth, its unavoidable. I see both sides of running and riding a street race and think that it was a great effort by the organizers and helpers.

As for the pace car, i agree that it provides more dangers to spectators than the bikes do. We had a few concerns expressed to our committee in greymouth regarding the speed of the pace car and will be reviewing it for next year. We do recieve a financial boost from the local ford dealer and allowing the pace car to "show off" is a little bit of return for their financial support. maybe nelson have a similar arrangement??

my 10 cents worth anyway!!

[Deano]

It seems wierd that they exluded the SV's. I mean come on. For better or for worse, love it or hate it, they have been part of F3 for season's now. It just seems wierd to me to chuck em out. The MNZ class rules are pretty clear.


If the event is run under MNZ rules, then SV's should be allowed in F3.

What a crock of shit.

[NordieBoy]

When this little sequence took place the Paramedic was on hand within about 20 seconds.

Nooooo!!!!
Not the Duc HyperMoto!

:eek5::crazy::drool:

[steve74]

Just something to add, the event organizer at the nelson prize giving did announce that they had been asked to join the battle of the streets series, however due to the higher standards and comitment required, were unable to accept. He did go on to say that they may be prepared to run a class for protwins next year and were looking in to it.

Great news for a protwin but not any help to a F3 spec SV650 rider.

Bottom line, at the end of the day, its not a championship event, you can still enter a SV650 in F1, and F2 and have a great days riding. look at Glen williams at greymouth.

either way the rules just need to be defined and enforced.

same for motards.

[TonyB]

All I can say is that is pretty obvious that organising a Street Race is a MASSIVE undertaking. I guess you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time. The time schedule is extremely tight, so classes are limited. Spectators have paid to enter and they want to watch Motards, F1 and maybe F2- the general public want to see fast bikes going hard out. Most of the other classes don't bring in the punters at all- unless they know someone that races them. So maybe the poor old organisers are trying to slot us in as best they can, and we should cut them some slack.

I had an idea for the Safety Car. If Ford are stumping up money, but want it to show off, maybe they should provide a ute with some Brolly Dolly's in the back, and cruise around at a speed that's safe for the girls in the back AND allows them to check the track properly? Or maybe the winners of an earlier race could sit in the back (not that they'd actually have time)?

OR- there were two vehicles for radio stations there- I bet they would pay more than Ford if they were the Safety Car, with the speakers going and stuff. Could be worth looking into. THEY wouldn't insist on hooning around at max speed.

Anyway. I thought the meeting was awesome. I'll be back. Huge thanks to all those that made it happen!

[feral1]

It seems that the rules at a street race are not set in stone and do differ from the rule book. I found it increadibly strange without SV650s in the F3 field. in my opinion if its run under MNZ control, it must run by the MNZ rules.
My old 2 stroke 250 became competitive all of a sudden. As paul said, it did make racing in F3 pretty even. With the exception of Ritchie Newberrys rocket ship zxr440, all of the 30 odd bikes entered were pretty evenly matched.



Rocketship
Rocketship
Rocketship
Rocketship
Goooo the mighty ZXR!!!

Good to hear you all had a good time. Steve you had a blinder too I hear. Woulda been nice too for the crowds to see a two smoker deuce with the four bangers at the front.

D; I hear what your saying man, human beings are too cool to be tomato pasted by dickheads in cars.

Congrats organisers :clap: but lets keep the classes to official MNZ spec next years aye...

:)
Eric

[feral1]

How close does one need to be?

Wicked pics Bell !!!

Lets get sum more on here.
you got any pics of the hard chargin F3 lads (Stevo and Rich). Steve is on a red/white RGV-SP wif red/white leathers #74 and Rich's ZXR fourhundy, Green, black and gray, Red and White Spidi's and #9.

Feral

[bell]

Nooooo!!!!
Not the Duc HyperMoto!

:eek5::crazy::drool:

Cosmetic stuff really. I cringed more than the rider I think!

[MyGSXF]

Maybe this year was different but I've done it three times and not once would I have described it as well organised

This year obviously WAS different, as ALL the people who got up to receive trophies, said! & also riders who participated this year have said :yes: One guy who got up to receive his trophy said that other race organizers could learn a lot from the Nelson crew!!!!


we DIDN'T boycott the event: most people were still so fucked off about the entire days racing

exactly m'dear.. :msn-wink:



would you race pregnant on a track in conditions that you believe UNSAFE.

I wouldn't be racing a PREGNANT chick AT ALL!!! :nono:

"a track you believe to be unsafe".. exactly.. "you believe".. tis YOUR opinion D.. & it doesn't fit with a lot of others opinions though aye.. Nor with the people who RACED YESTERDAY!! :yes:



The race was not boycoted as such, the Nelson club did not respond to leters sent to them

do you know for a fact that they actually RECEIVED the letters???? :confused:




WHICH CAN LEAD TO DEATH is it really worth it? dont role ya eyes at a safty concern

From what I saw & heard yesterday.. the riders SAFETY was of prime importance!!! To the point of making the hard call to cancel the last 4-5? races due to the fact that the road surface was getting so bad in the sun!! As Tony has already explained, the car system has obviously changed from last year!


always expect the unexpected Jen you know that... the car is ment to be doing a siting lap the driver as you would expect gets carried away in the heat of the moment which could end up as a death... what if the car span out and killed your boy? You are looking at this from a spectators point a view Jen... try it from the racers view.

Yes I am a spectator, not a racer..(I wish!!!) but I am also looking at it from an objective & neutral point of view Daryl. I was THERE yesterday. I have eyes & ears & a brain! I saw & heard! All your views are based on stuff that happened a YEAR ago!


My hat goes of to all these people that make this possible. I know of the main man up there, he's a bloody wicked chap and him and his partner have made huge sacrificies for their event, incl monetary. Being a motorcycle event organiser myself, I know it can be a thankless job. So: THANK YOU to the people that give their time to allow us to enjoy our racing.

Good post!! The committee is only 5 people & it takes them ALL year to organize this event!! I take my hat off to them too, for putting on a bloody enjoyable day!!! :clap:


Rashika, Daryll and the bucket crew. I know there have been some bad tastes for you in the past and I think we have covered them pretty comprehensively over the last year or so (various threads).

That's the gist of what I was "trying" to point out also. Thanks! :niceone:



i thought it was a great event, the sun did let us down a lot with the tar melting and the track falling to bits, but just like the rain at greymouth, its unavoidable. I see both sides of running and riding a street race and think that it was a great effort by the organizers and helpers.


Awesome!!


I am happy to forget it man, but when people like MYgsxf pipe up about shit they have no real understanding of I will reply

If you are "happy to forget about it man" then WHY, leading up to the event, do you keep going on about stuff that happened a YEAR ago!!! YOU have YOUR thoughts & opinion D.. I have mine! I was THERE.. where were you????? :bleh: I talked to other racers & they were all having a great day! Build a bridge man.. & get over it! :done:


All I can say is that is pretty obvious that organising a Street Race is a MASSIVE undertaking. I guess you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time. So maybe the poor old organisers are trying to slot us in as best they can, and we should cut them some slack.

Anyway. I thought the meeting was awesome. I'll be back. Huge thanks to all those that made it happen!

Bloody good call Tony! :first:

[MyGSXF]

Woohoo.. a red rep from D :woohoo: was wondering how long it would take... :Punk:

:girlfight:

[dangerous]

Woohoo.. a red rep from D :woohoo: was wondering how long it would take... :Punk:

:girlfight:
want another... now do you under stand that I havnt comented about THIS year like you keep saying, I hear thins were grouse for the most... awesome, with any luck Ill be back next year.


THE END

[MyGSXF]

with any luck Ill be back next year

Cool.. shall look forward to seeing you kicking arse next year then!! :2thumbsup makes it much more enjoyable for us lowly spectators to watch mates racing & cheering them on, rather than just a bunch of people we don't know!! :first:

[Rashika]

Sorry feral but just gotta comment here...



"a track you believe to be unsafe".. exactly.. "you believe".. tis YOUR opinion D.. & it doesn't fit with a lot of others opinions though aye.. Nor with the people who RACED YESTERDAY!! :yes:

not just his opinion, but the opinions of a whole lot of other people as well hense the reason they didn't go (D didn't force anyone not to go, they basically told HIM they weren't going) ...and yes this is from last year, but as Kickaha has said the same for all the years that he raced. One bad experience will put you off for a long time if there is no obvious changes made prior to the event.


do you know for a fact that they actually RECEIVED the letters???? :confused:
yes we do, we spoke to Darren about it several times earlier in the year


Yes I am a spectator, not a racer..(I wish!!!) but I am also looking at it from an objective & neutral point of view Daryl. I was THERE yesterday. I have eyes & ears & a brain! I saw & heard! All your views are based on stuff that happened a YEAR ago!
when you are a racer you can comment about the racers views; 1 year is a short time when there is only 1 race a year in Nelson. You were also there last year but have said you didn't 'see or hear' any issues, yet there were plenty.



Good post!! The committee is only 5 people & it takes them ALL year to organize this event!! I take my hat off to them too, for putting on a bloody enjoyable day!!! :clap:
why dont you join them and help out?




If you are "happy to forget about it man" then WHY, leading up to the event, do you keep going on about stuff that happened a YEAR ago!!! YOU have YOUR thoughts & opinion D.. I have mine! I was THERE.. where were you????? :bleh: I talked to other racers & they were all having a great day! Build a bridge man.. & get over it! :done:

Because as has been said so many times now, there was NOTHING to indicate any changes were going to be made this year, esp not in the letter received from Nelson in Nov, well after people had made plans for their hols.

sorry again Feral, back to you :Punk:

[MyGSXF]

One bad experience will put you off for a long time if there is no obvious changes made prior to the event.

Ya gotta get back on that horse chick!! ;)


yes we do, we spoke to Darren about it several times earlier in the year

Ok. Maybe it just got lost in the system.. filed & forgot about.. :Oops:



You were also there last year but have said you didn't 'see or hear' any issues, yet there were plenty.

I was very busy last year playin pit bitch for Nico & Frosty :Punk: & having waaaay too much fun to be aware of any unhappy undercurrants.. sorry chick! :confused:


why dont you join them and help out?

Weeeeellll.. funnily enough.. ;) I WAS going to offer to do just that after the prize giving last night!!!! :yes: I went to have a catchup natter with Phil Garret first, but then when I went to look for the people Bugs pointed out, that I needed to go talk to about joining the club.. they had already left. :doh: I shall still hunt them down :niceone: ehh ehh eeehhhhh :shifty:

[gav]

Regarding the car, is this after its pulled out from the pits and is behind the field on the warm up lap? The car isnt doing a sighting lap as such, it will only call up if some one breaks down or crashes on the warm up lap and can delay the start of the race. It needs to get around as quick as possible as I'm sure the riders don't want to be waiting on the start line for any longer than possible, especially in hot conditions. Secondly as mentioned the car will follow on the opening lap and provide medical attention if required.
The Nelson Port street races have always led a "strained" relationship with the businesses involved, they don't really benefit from the races unlike say Greymouth. The Port Company must dread them and hope like hell nothing serious happens that could involve them.
Ideally a new circuit would be ideal for the Top of the South. Not sure if anyone attended the Golden Downs road race event, but that had potential to be a great event. Sadly the sale of part of the forestry led to the circuit being unavailable the next year.
Does anyone know who was involved in the street races held in New Brighton when Joey Dunlop turned up and raced? Shame that couldn't have been held on a regular basis either?

[Rashika]

Ya gotta get back on that horse chick!! ;)

but you just said I cant?! ;)

And I have done lots of racing since then, Ruapuna, Levels and Greymouth, nd even crashing at Levels didn't put me off going back! Its not the racing that was the concern, more the worry that things hadn't changed. After reading all, it seems that some has changed for the positive and some has changed for the negative, still making it difficult to decide about returning.

This blimmin SV ruling tho, still find it strange they didnt allow them in...

[TonyB]

Regarding the car, is this after its pulled out from the pits and is behind the field on the warm up lap? The car isnt doing a sighting lap as such, it will only call up if some one breaks down or crashes on the warm up lap and can delay the start of the race. It needs to get around as quick as possible as I'm sure the riders don't want to be waiting on the start line for any longer than possible, especially in hot conditions. Secondly as mentioned the car will follow on the opening lap and provide medical attention if required.
Nope. Have a look here (http://www.wises.co.nz/#c/2n199/6f610/0/) The track uses Vickerman St, Wildman Ave, Low St, Carkeek St, Graham St and Rogers St. The car pulls out of Carkeek Street, which is behind the grid. It then does a full lap, the bikes qued on the dummy grid pull out after the car comes past (completeing one lap). The car continues on, turning right onto Carkeek St, (the track goes left), and waits until the bikes form up on the grid. It then pulls out of Carkeek Street again, and waits behind the bikes. Once the race starts, it follows the bikes untill Carkeek St, where it turns right again and waits.

The car must be doing a sighting lap, as it can pull in behind the bikes without doing the full lap.

[MyGSXF]

but you just said I cant?! ;)

:lol: good call.. :innocent: give it a few months & you'll be back!!! :Punk: it runs in ya veins now mate!!!! :devil2:


crashing at Levels didn't put me off going back!

:shit: you crashed???!! shit.. were you ok??? :confused:


This blimmin SV ruling tho, still find it strange they didnt allow them in...

Yeah.. not sure what's up with that one :scratch: A friends brother had one there.. will have to ask him to see what the goss is! :wait:

[steve74]

effective 1 July 2007

4-3 Twin cylinder four strokes shall be limited as follows:

a) Up to 500cc, no restrictions apart from fuel as above.

b) Over 500cc, two valves per cylinder, are restricted to 750cc and fuel as above, over 640cc must not be water-cooled.

c) Over 500cc three or more valves per cylinder, are restricted to 650cc and fuel as above.

Additionally these machines must retain the standard OEMair box, air filter element and
carburettor (with the exception of removable jets or throttle body, including injector).


I see the problem - I was told by the officals on the day that watercooled 650cc machines were not allowed as per mnz rule book. the rules that apply to a 4 valve per cylinder SV650 are C.

The watercooling rule only applys to 2 valve engines, am i right???

[Jorja]

SV650,hyusung650 and ER6 are all covered under rule 4-3.c

[TonyB]

The watercooling rule only applys to 2 valve engines, am i right???
I believe so. Also it appears that machines covered by C must retain the stock airbox bla bla bla

[TonyB]

I posted this elsewhere:

I talked to a couple of the organisers today. I don't want to quote what they said on here as I don't want to miss-quote them, but it turns out there are very good and well considered reasons for closing off Rogers Street, and for running the track clockwise. The reasons are many, and fairly complex, (hence I don't want to risk getting it all backwards on here), and I can see why they do what they do, and I now fully agree with it.
I wanted to talk to them about the SV ruling and the safety car, but I didn't have time- MrsB and the kids had been waiting in the car for 1/2 an hour already in the hot sun.

What I will say is this. I now realize that there is little point in speculating/grumbling or whatever about an event like this on an internet forum. There are clearly a huge number of very complex issues that go into shaping the nature and format of a street meeting. Only a handfull of very dedicated people are involved in organising one of these meetings, and these people are the only people who hold ALL the facts, and can explain why things were done as they were. If we as racers have an issue with the way a meeting was or is being run, they are the only people worth talking to. And I'm willing to bet that once we do talk to them, we will understand exactly why the organisers came to the decisions they did. I personally am going to try and refrain from posting in a thread like this in the future. Unless of course I have the facts from the organisers.

[steve74]

I personally am going to try and refrain from posting in a thread like this in the future. Unless of course I have the facts from the organisers.


Fair enough tony. I understand your reasons. However i became a member of this forum in an attempt to get feedback on the Greymouth event. Im Vice President of the Greymouth street race commitee and to be honest we dont get a lot of feedback from riders. I race F3 and motard and dont have the time i would like at prize giving to see how the BEARS/Buckets/classics etc feel about the event. I find this forum a fantastic tool, All topics discussed about our event on this forum are reported by myself to our committee to help improve our event and ensure the riders who provide the spectacle are happy. If any questions are asked i try to explain as best i can.

So please dont stop commenting on the Greymouth event. I will be starting up a topic in the lead up to the next event to inform competitors and spectators of changes etc. Positive or negative, if we know about it we can try resolve it. Hopefully all the comments on this topic can be constructively passed on to the nelson team, who i might add did a fantastic job cosidering the tar melt.

[sunhuntin]

just a small note, steve... remember that not all racers and spectators are members here ;)

[Sparky Bills]

The F3 class was great to watch! No one really ran away with it, and there was some VERY close racing!
The day was cut short, but was due to 30+ degree heat melting the road not a pace car screaming around.
The organisers did EXTREMLY well!
Was my 2nd time there and will not be my last!

Well done to all the organisers helpers! YOU ALL ROCK!!:headbang:

[Rashika]

... I find this forum a fantastic tool, All topics discussed about our event on this forum are reported by myself to our committee to help improve our event and ensure the riders who provide the spectacle are happy. If any questions are asked i try to explain as best i can.

So please dont stop commenting on the Greymouth event. I will be starting up a topic in the lead up to the next event to inform competitors and spectators of changes etc. Positive or negative, if we know about it we can try resolve it. Hopefully all the comments on this topic can be constructively passed on to the nelson team, who i might add did a fantastic job cosidering the tar melt.
do ya think you can do something about the rain for this year? Like telling it to come back the next day? :msn-wink:
Actually it was kinda cool to have someone who could say straightout why things get done the way they do... and we get to see/hear the effort you guys put in. Still the best street race in NZ I reckon, very entertaining for both racers and spectators. Loved the motard bit (and glad i didn't do it!) but great to watch.


just a small note, steve... remember that not all racers and spectators are members here ;)
actually quite a few are on KB both racers and spectators, for greymouth I can think of about 10 racers, and prob about 20 or more spectators

[dangerous]

Fair enough tony. I understand your reasons.

Im Vice President of the Greymouth street race commitee and to be honest we dont get a lot of feedback from riders.

i would like at prize giving to see how the BEARS/Buckets/classics etc feel about the event. I find this forum a fantastic tool

Tony gets a bit righteous and OTT PC at times ;) This is the ideal place to find such info out.

Hey vice as you know Im pres of the BMRC, I have done 2 Greymouths and two Nelson meets, Greymouth is awesome nelson is not. I will however be back for both and as far as the BMRC members and post classic crew within our club... dont change nothing, PN crew... take our input in and use it as consructive criticism, we will get there. :scooter:

[steve74]

I know that from MNZ meetings that i have attended that street raceing as a whole is balancing on a liability thread. So lets just support it while we can. Nelson, greymouth, windham, wanganui, paeroa- All have their negatives and positives. lets just support them all. :clap:

[sunhuntin]

actually quite a few are on KB both racers and spectators, for greymouth I can think of about 10 racers, and prob about 20 or more spectators

quite a few, but not all... im betting theres more than 20 spectators at each race, hehe. :scooter:

[Chrislost]

Street racing sucks anyway. Much better at the track from a spectators point of view.

funking bullshit.
i was bored as funk at taupo watching bikes go past the grandstand.
however the at the BOTS i got to sit in a pub and watch R1s crash around me.

[TonyB]

Tony gets a bit righteous and OTT PC at times ;) :yawn::tugger:


This is the ideal place to find such info out. For organisers yes, for us- no, not unless a committe member like Steve is on the forum. Otherwise we are all just spouting uninformed BS.

[Rashika]

For organisers yes, for us- no, not unless a committe member like Steve is on the forum. Otherwise we are all just spouting uninformed BS.

yeah but... if people aren't happy with something, and there is no-one to easily hear what they are bitching about how are they (the organisers) gonna know? We tried to suggest changes for nelson, we didn't hear back for 11 months... would you expect things to have changed or been more of the same? If you dont talk to your racers, (who do talk to their spectators as well), what do you expect?

Most people wont put pen to paper cos we (as kiwis) are actually kinda reluctant to complain in writing.
...'cept on KB where we do it all the time :msn-wink:

I think having steve74 on here was really good for the promotion of greymouth as well. It certainly got a few extra racers (remember Johnny212's last minute entry ;) ) and spectators along simply from seeing the threads on KB and NZSBF.

The Munro does well partly due to having a fairly ok, tho slow to up date, website, and good responses to queries. We send several emails to them to see if they would have buckets, still no positive to that, but will keep trying. And they have responded quickly. Would love to do that one but timing still hasn't worked yet... one day!

[TonyB]

Fair enough.

Back on topic though [:gob:].


effective 1 July 2007

4-3 Twin cylinder four strokes shall be limited as follows:

a) Up to 500cc, no restrictions apart from fuel as above.

b) Over 500cc, two valves per cylinder, are restricted to 750cc and fuel as above, over 640cc must not be water-cooled.

c) Over 500cc three or more valves per cylinder, are restricted to 650cc and fuel as above.

Additionally these machines must retain the standard OEMair box, air filter element and
carburettor (with the exception of removable jets or throttle body, including injector).
I can see how the confusion has been created with the SV650. If you can't have a watercooled TWO valve over 640cc, then why the hell can you have a watercooled FOUR valve of 650cc. Its seems bloody odd, but then I guess 4-3.c) was added as the ammendment in July 07, and A & B were left the same as they always were? Maybe the organisers just got 4-3.b) and thought "well thats it then". Pays to read all the way through the rules eh!

Well that at least explains why the F3 racing was so even...and why I placed as well as I did (for me) in the first race!

[dangerous]

back off topic to on topic...


For organisers yes, for us- no, not unless a committe member like Steve is on the forum. Otherwise we are all just spouting uninformed BS.

uninformed BS I think not Tony, we have both been at these race meets, every one else thats posted has raced or watched... so how the hell can we be spouting uninformed BS???

See what Rashika said, nicely put that post was even put a cork in your gob.
Right Im giving up cos I put way to much effort into our sport (look at how the BMRC has pulled ahead since I was dumped in charge) as Rashika's post above also says... but if my works all in vain, well stuff it ill do as tony wants and shut up.

[steve74]

Well that at least explains why the F3 racing was so even...and why I placed as well as I did (for me) in the first race!

I know exactly what you mean tony, i won the first F3 race. ok i had a bit of luck with ritchie's bike stopping while streaks ahead of us, but a win was a win. ya take out the sv650s and the kitted 400s and its back to the old days, great fun!!

[TonyB]

So Steve, was it a coincidence that there were no kitted '400's there, or were they kicked out of F3 too?



uninformed BS I think not Tony, we have both been at these race meets, every one else thats posted has raced or watched... so how the hell can we be spouting uninformed BS???
I get the feeling we're talking about different things again D. But I'll bite...Racing in an event doesnt give you much information at all. Think about it- when your in the pits on race day, we've got no idea whats going on out on the track. We're lucky to know what race is coming up next, let alone exactly why a race was stopped/red flagged. If the race order is changed, we NEVER know why. Shit I didn't know Dan Ornsby and Mitch Rowe ended up with broken bones till I read about it in the paper. I've raced in two BOB's, but have no idea what goes into organising it. I've raced in two Port Nelson's and complained long and loud about the 'backwards' track direction before, during and after both, but after talking to an organiser, I can now understand why they do it.

[steve74]

So Steve, was it a coincidence that there were no kitted '400's there, or were they kicked out of F3 too?

na mate, ritchie newberrys kitted zxr400 was there, he was streaks ahead in race 1 untill his engine cut out on him on lap 6. He told me he had it dyno'd at over 80hp and was hoping to get more out of it before the nationals. He won race 2 and was power wheeling out of the corners. a real rocket, built by the best in the 400cc business, Andy Bowell. Mr feral1 has pretty much the same set up. im heading over to ruapuna this weekend to cheer them on. I think glen williams is the one to beat on that trick SV but im hoping the south island boys on the trick 400s give him a good curry up:2thumbsup

[TonyB]

Its meant to be possible to get around 80hp out of my Monster....but my pockets just aren't that deep! It was bloody good to have evenly matched bikes to race against for a change!