Idiot bike riders!

[Danger]

Bloody idiots like this piss me off!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10485012

What a bloody waste! Condolences to the family's of the victims, the bike rider I hope you never ever ever get to ride a motorcycle again! Theres plenty of idiots like this out at Muriwai too, my wife was out there riding her horse with a friend the last few days and its amazing that there are not more incidents happening out there, idiots tearing around and through the creek while family's with children play in the same area and are just out there trying to enjoy the beach! :Oi:

[awayatc]

Agree with a lot you say, but people like him will always cause grief, if he doesn't get to ride a bike again, what will he do? ride a car? a big 4wd? a truck? drive drunk?....
Lack off self dicipline, poor attitude will always be dangerous for the rest off us.....
My deepest sympathy goes out to the families and friends involved........

[FJRider]

I agree to all the above. BUT, unless said idiot bike rider BEGINS to give a shit, NOTHING will change (in his attitude / actions) THIS site may even encourage him.
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[awayatc]

I agree to all the above. BUT, unless said idiot bike rider BEGINS to give a shit, NOTHING will change (in his attitude / actions) THIS site may even encourage him.
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Hate to encourage him, so if somebody knows how to contact said rider, please tell him he is invited for some target shooting......

[4stroke]

sad shit that is,
thats buddy L and mine ol stomping ground, its bout 5 mins from my parents place and our local fishing hole.
but this time of the year its nuts out there so many out of towners come up and go camping out the beach, and shit like this happens, its as bad as the long liners who set there line then put the reel the quarters of the way up beach at low tide so when u ride or drive down the beach u get hooked up in it, almost killed a guy i know, he was riding his quad down the beach with his fishing gear and hit the line at about 40kms almost chopped his fkn head off.
and the guy with the long line got all shity cos he hit the line wtf.

[Buddy L]

yer the clamp down on bikes are going to be a real pain in that area now. every year around this it i head out to the exact beach for a blast on the bikes with mates.
rules that should be comen sence to people, are never ride within about 4 kays of a build up area. don't ride at night, use your brain if you have one.
and ride to the conditions (if you can't see over the hill, don't go fast up it)
heard the news while on holiday at summer X
very sad.
both people were "out of towners" from my understanding.

[Danger]

More on this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10485084

[Pierce]

More on this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10485084

Mmm I heard about this yesterday. A close friend of mine use to babysit her when she was young. She visited the family yesterday and as you can imagine they're distraut (poor family). The guys on bikes had also been told to turn their headlights on but didn't.

Pretty heart renching stuff. IT was the girls grandmothers 80th birthday when she died as well as her own:no:

[Fatjim]

What we need is more legislation and some government employees to enforce it.

Or stop your fucking winging and stop the wankers your self.

[DrewBroadley]

It's sad news.. but I hate this whole public outcry thing.

OMG SOMEONE DIED ON THE BEACH, MUST BAN ALL THINGS FUN.

OMG PERSON DIED FROM NOT PAYING POWER BILL, MUST SUE ALL POWER COMPANIES

OMG OMG OMG!

Soon, we'll be confined to our homes and suing tv producers/movie makers to raising our heart beat to unexceptible levels.

[Danger]

This is the point really. Idiots like this dude spoil it for hundreds of responsible bike riders, because things toughen up and it effects us all. If he was to ride 1k up the beach where there were no people and didn't ride there in the dark without lights on, there would not have been a problem. Have your fun and push your boundry's but don't endanger other beach users, in fact make it your mission not to be seen doing anything annoying.
Same with the tossers at Muriwai at the moment, turning alot of people against bikes and bike riders. Go quietly past the family's, playing around the creek, quietly past the horse riders and have your fun further up the beach away from other beach users. Then we might have the opportunity to have our fun for many more years (not that I find riding on a flat beach much fun anyway).

And Fatjim, if you were to go out there and try and talk any common sense to these idiots, your likely just to get abused (like my Wife did on Tuesday at Muriwai) or get in a fight.

[Ktmboy]

What we need is more legislation and some government employees to enforce it.

Or stop your fucking winging and stop the wankers your self.

Great attitude. Just fucking brilliant. Yep, Snotting a few already!!!:bash:

Yes, we are trying to stop the "fucking wankers". But it needs the whole comunity to put the acid on these pricks(mates???). Tell them they are dicks, tell them they are fucking it for the rest.

We caught 10 riders in 1 hour riding illegally last Sunday and mostly on the horse trails. Like Danger, my family also ride horses. Illegals bewareWe've had enough.:angry2:

[dammad1]

It's sad news.. but I hate this whole public outcry thing.

OMG SOMEONE DIED ON THE BEACH, MUST BAN ALL THINGS FUN.

OMG PERSON DIED FROM NOT PAYING POWER BILL, MUST SUE ALL POWER COMPANIES

OMG OMG OMG!

Soon, we'll be confined to our homes and suing tv producers/movie makers to raising our heart beat to unexceptible levels.

Yeah exactly, the fun police will be on this bandwagon real fast.

[telliman]

Yeah exactly, the fun police will be on this bandwagon real fast.

hopefully then the local governments will start providing adaquate venues for all to ride.while they keep making these fucked up bylaws restricting the use of mx bikes and trying to shut mx parks down they need to realise that its these sorts of things that are going to keep happening.although like anything, there will always be a few that fuck it up for the rest!


wat were the parents thinking letting him take off that late at night anyway?
they are just as responsable if you ask me.

[cheese]

hopefully then the local governments will start providing adaquate venues for all to ride.while they keep making these fucked up bylaws restricting the use of mx bikes and trying to shut mx parks down they need to realise that its these sorts of things that are going to keep happening.although like anything, there will always be a few that fuck it up for the rest!


wat were the parents thinking letting him take off that late at night anyway?
they are just as responsable if you ask me.


That is a very very good point. The idiots shutting down venues then expect us to ride where? But this kid had no right to be speeding up and down a beach in the dark. Parents have to step up and control kids.

[awayatc]

That is a very very good point. The idiots shutting down venues then expect us to ride where? But this kid had no right to be speeding up and down a beach in the dark. Parents have to step up and control kids.

That is their job indeed, as long as the they don't smack em.......:spanking:

[rwh]

What we need is more legislation and some government employees to enforce it.

Enforce the law, sure. More cops to do so, probably.

But more legislation? What's the point? He was breaking enough laws already; how would more laws help?

The problem is that people - such as politicians - like to be seen to be doing something. And the public want to see them doing something. The trouble is, since they can't come up with something to do that would actually work, they insist on doing something completely useless to compensate - usually, making more silly rules.

Unfortunately it happens everywhere.

Too many people are caught over the alcohol limit, so lets lower the limit.
Is that addressing the problem? No.

Some people hijacked a plane, so lets ban bottled water on planes.
Is that addressing the problem? No.

Some kid was riding an unregistered motorbike on a populated beach in the dark with no lights, and hit someone, so lets ban bikes from the beach.
Is that addressing the problem? No.

I don't know what the solution to any of those problems is, but it seems to me we could save an awful lot of public money by not implementing useless non-solutions - and maybe spend it on real research.

Did this rant solve anything? Probably not, but at least it didn't cost anything ...

[Edit: I realised that you didn't mention any particular kind of legislation (and neither did the Herald article). Perhaps we could have some new kind of beach patrol team, that would require legislation to set up. That might be useful. But the Police could probably do it, if we had enough of them.]

Richard

[Highlander]

I think you are right there Richard.

It is not a matter of needing more rules.
I think it is more a case of needing to enforce the rules that already apply and making those who break the rules more accountable for their actions.

Far too often we see in the papers that some teenager has clocked up tens of thousands of dollars in fines only to have them wiped for a few hours of comunity service. What is the lesson learned? - there is no punishment for breaking the rules.

Desperate lack of respect for others and for authority.

Edit: I mean in NZ society generally, not just in respect of road rules.

[skidMark]

"showing off" ???? i ddn't know carver or sidewinder had a younger brother.

anyways it 2:46am...i'm going to bed...if i can be fucked i will write up something long re the finer points of parenting and at what age a youth becomes an adult.

blah fucking blah

**head hits pillow nuh nites!**

[Owl]

Just goes to show where the mother’s priorities lie. Another classic parent hiding from their responsibility! I’m sure if she buries her head in the sand long enough, it will all go away.
Imagine if the guy that grabbed the kid’s backpack, had managed to pull him off his bike. A life would have been saved, yet we would be reading a thread about “that” nasty man.

It’s a funny PC world isn’t it!

[Danger]

Imagine if the guy that grabbed the kid’s backpack, had managed to pull him off his bike. A life would have been saved, yet we would be reading a thread about “that” nasty man.


He probably would have ended up with a punch on the nose from the kids dad, or been hassled with abuse for the rest of his holidays by the kids family. Most people just want to stay out of trouble, the resulting backlash from taking a stand is just not worth it because the police will offer no back up to responsible citizens in incidents like this.

[Deano]

He probably would have ended up with a punch on the nose from the kids dad, or been hassled with abuse for the rest of his holidays by the kids family. Most people just want to stay out of trouble, the resulting backlash from taking a stand is just not worth it because the police will offer no back up to responsible citizens in incidents like this.

The cops can't be everywhere - and are not much help after the fact anyway - someone is still dead.

A group of like minded concerned individuals DO HAVE THE ABILITY to step in and take action, without any comeback on them from the Police.

Reasonable action taken by several people is perfectly acceptable.

Unfortunately, getting said group to act is not easy - they are always standing back waiting for someone else to step in.

No sense of community these days. Why does society still tolerate gangs ? Bring on the lynch mob and run em out of town. :yes::whocares:

[Owl]

He probably would have ended up with a punch on the nose from the kids dad, or been hassled with abuse for the rest of his holidays by the kids family. Most people just want to stay out of trouble, the resulting backlash from taking a stand is just not worth it because the police will offer no back up to responsible citizens in incidents like this.

I totally agree Danger!

[Fatjim]

The cops can't be everywhere - and are not much help after the fact anyway - someone is still dead.

A group of like minded concerned individuals DO HAVE THE ABILITY to step in and take action, without any comeback on them from the Police.

Reasonable action taken by several people is perfectly acceptable.

Unfortunately, getting said group to act is not easy - they are always standing back waiting for someone else to step in.

No sense of community these days. Why does society still tolerate gangs ? Bring on the lynch mob and run em out of town. :yes::whocares:
Spot on, my point exactly.

And Highlander/RWH, Can't you spot a p/t without a "p/t"

[rwh]

And Highlander/RWH, Can't you spot a p/t without a "p/t"

I did wonder, but it can be hard to figure out sometimes. And anyway, it gave me a good lead-in - thanks :)

Richard

[Katoomer]

Just another needless accident that with some common sense by the boy [B]and his parent (s) should never have happened.[B]I may not be the perfect parent but if any of my kids were doing what this one was the bike would be gone. Times are a changing. This sort of stuff is happening more and more.I hear of close calls down our way of bikes riding all directions down public trails having near misses ,loud bikes riding close to built up areas by a minority that are giving us honest riders a bad name. Its killing our sport.

[justsomeguy]

You mean following this incident they are going to penalise any of us trying to ride a bike fast at night with no lights on????

You guys make me laugh.

So you ride a bike and so do these fools - what's the connection? Riding a bike isn't that big a deal mate. Most criminals wear shoes, they aren't giving the rest of us who wear shoes a bad name now are they?

It is sad that these girls had to go through this. The fact that "the criminal" rode a bike is another topic.

[telliman]

You mean following this incident they are going to penalise any of us trying to ride a bike fast at night with no lights on????

You guys make me laugh.

So you ride a bike and so do these fools - what's the connection? Riding a bike isn't that big a deal mate. Most criminals wear shoes, they aren't giving the rest of us who wear shoes a bad name now are they?

It is sad that these girls had to go through this. The fact that "the criminal" rode a bike is another topic.

fuck off dickhead!!!

[Katoomer]

Well said . Probably the only result from this is that other this kid and those who know him may actually think next time before doing something stupid on a bike.

[Katoomer]

Probably the only result from this is that other this kid and those who know him may actually think next time before doing something stupid on a bike.

[RT527]

hopefully then the local governments will start providing adaquate venues for all to ride.while they keep making these fucked up bylaws restricting the use of mx bikes and trying to shut mx parks down they need to realise that its these sorts of things that are going to keep happening.although like anything, there will always be a few that fuck it up for the rest!


wat were the parents thinking letting him take off that late at night anyway?
they are just as responsable if you ask me.

Why should the Government and or local govt provide you and others a special place...If you want a special place go buy some land with your mates and get on with it yourself, maybe then we should be protesting that the regulations be relaxed for the mx parks so we can go about doing it ourselves.....

Goes with out saying,asking for the local govt to put forward ratepayers money for something they may and probably will not use is a bit much to ask ?, is it not?.

[RT527]

fuck off dickhead!!!

Wow is that the only constructive thing you can come up with, ...Your intelligence Is outstanding , along with you brain.....out.....standing......

[telliman]

and if that was your child would you still have the same opinion? would you still want those bikes in the same the same enviorment as you and your family at the beach? or are you one of those people who as long as the bikes arn;t effecting you then who gives a fuck?

[takitimu]

Why should the Government and or local govt provide you and others a special place...If you want a special place go buy some land with your mates and get on with it yourself, maybe then we should be protesting that the regulations be relaxed for the mx parks so we can go about doing it ourselves.....

Goes with out saying,asking for the local govt to put forward ratepayers money for something they may and probably will not use is a bit much to ask ?, is it not?.

Why are we any different to trampers, mountain bikers, car racing, dragsters etc etc, where there is a balance of private & public facilities/support especially given the numbers of offroad riders in NZ ( 1,000 is not uncommon for trail rides ).

In short your arguement is ill informed & purely provocative, definitely not worthy of this forum.

[Deano]

hopefully then the local governments will start providing adaquate venues for all to ride.

That's the same argument the boy racers use. Do you really think it is credible ?

No matter what facilities are provided by the state, there are always some tards who will fuck it up, as you acknowledge.

It will unfortunately not prevent incidents like this occurring.

[justsomeguy]

Why are we any different to trampers, mountain bikers, car racing, dragsters etc etc, where there is a balance of private & public facilities/support especially given the numbers of offroad riders in NZ ( 1,000 is not uncommon for trail rides ).

In short your arguement is ill informed & purely provocative, definitely not worthy of this forum.

A lot of us regularly attend trackdays, which several companies offer and organise due to the demand we have created.

If there are so many of you why aren't there places created? Simple economics suggests people should be clamouring for your business if over 1000 of you turn up regularly. Why do you (dirtbikers) need to ride your bikes near the public then, in a manner that may make them fear for their safety?

1000 bikes at a NZ road circuit open day is a very successful number.

What the f do you know about this forum anyway that makes you question one of the earliest and well respected members?

[justsomeguy]

and if that was your child would you still have the same opinion? would you still want those bikes in the same the same enviorment as you and your family at the beach? or are you one of those people who as long as the bikes arn;t effecting you then who gives a fuck?

A bike didn't kill that girl.

A person did.

We don't need to fix the bike(s) and where they are found, we need to fix the demeanour of people who ride like that.

[awayatc]

A bike didn't kill that girl.

A person did.

We don't need to fix the bike(s) and where they are found, we need to fix the demeanour of people who ride like that.

NOBODY can say anything regarding this sorry saga that beats or belies this simple statement of fact.....

Why is "common sense" called common sense when in fact it seems to be hard to find......;)

Why look for intelligent lifeforms in outerspace when they are hard enough to find on earth?:oi-grr:

[telliman]

A bike didn't kill that girl.

A person did.

We don't need to fix the bike(s) and where they are found, we need to fix the demeanour of people who ride like that.

i;ll remember that next time a road biker crashes doing 150km and makes contact with wat is refered to as a cheese cutter! theres plenty of road bikes out there breaking laws in the same manner as this kid did, putting in danger far more people than wat this kid did!lucky you that after you have enjoyed your organised track days as you put it, you then get to enjoy the open road that my tax money and rates go towards paying for as well.forums are for expressing opinion which is all we have done ,dont care how long you.v been a member mate, respect is to be earned. COCKSUCKER!

[RT527]

Why are we any different to trampers, mountain bikers, car racing, dragsters etc etc, where there is a balance of private & public facilities/support especially given the numbers of offroad riders in NZ ( 1,000 is not uncommon for trail rides ).

In short your arguement is ill informed & purely provocative, definitely not worthy of this forum.

Mine is not an argument , purely an opinion based on what I do part time and the experiences learned from having the opinion that everything should be provided for the ones who break the law ....so that they wont break the law....But it never works that way...

My point was simple, And I'm all for places to be provided, just that the users of said location should be the ones paying and that local and central govts should be relaxing the rules/regulations around areas like these so it can be accomplished.

[RT527]

i;ll remember that next time a road biker crashes doing 150km and makes contact with wat is refered to as a cheese cutter! theres plenty of road bikes out there breaking laws in the same manner as this kid did, putting in danger far more people than wat this kid did!lucky you that after you have enjoyed your organised track days as you put it, you then get to enjoy the open road that my tax money and rates go towards paying for as well.forums are for expressing opinion which is all we have done ,dont care how long you.v been a member mate, respect is to be earned. COCKSUCKER!



Wow....I thought everyones tax/and rates goes towards the roads ,...Some more than others.

Its all about choices, you make the choice to express your concerns/opinion with out giving thought to others, no one has called you a wanker or cocksucker or told you to fuck off !!.

That boy made a choice too, bad as it was, it was still a choice......Others who break the law on our roads also make poor choices.......everyone makes bad decisions, its how we learn.

[RT527]

and if that was your child would you still have the same opinion? would you still want those bikes in the same environment as you and your family at the beach? or are you one of those people who as long as the bikes aren't effecting you then who gives a fuck?

I do know that there are other places for him to ride, And If he had been respectful of others...if anyone was riding near or around my family and was responsible,then yes I wouldn't mind them....but given that accidents happen..( That is something of which I know a great deal about)then I would insist that the person/s involved use the appropriate facilities, If I remember properly then there are places to ride around Murawai/woodhill.

And I certainly do give a fuck if something affects me....I`m replying to you......aren't I ?.

[Ixion]

hopefully then the local governments will start providing adaquate venues for all to ride.while they keep making these fucked up bylaws restricting the use of mx bikes and trying to shut mx parks down they need to realise that its these sorts of things that are going to keep happening.although like anything, there will always be a few that fuck it up for the rest!


wat were the parents thinking letting him take off that late at night anyway?
they are just as responsable if you ask me.


Mx (moto-cross, I presume) is a form of racing. Racing of any sort (including bloody treadly racing) is not appropriate on public roads (unless they are specifically closed for the event). A beach is no different to any other road. The beachs are designated as public roads so that the public (including motorcyclists) can access the parts of the coast line not otherwise accessible. It is not, and never was, intended that they should be used as racetracks (barring a few special exceptions, like the pre war Muriwai races).

I do agree however that motor sport in general gets a bum deal when it comes to provision of facilities. Many sports have facilities provided for them at taxpayer or ratepayer expense (Eden park, anyone?) Why should motorsport in its various forms be less privileged ?

[dragonz]

I'm a concerned biker, sounds to me like all of you are too!
The problem we face is that the general (non-motorcycling) public, see an incident like this & put us all in the same basket.

If we cannot find some common accord between all bikers (on road, off road, quad riders etc) to reign in the idiots, Show some moral responsibility, push for more places to ride & better access, then we will find our bikes ALL outlawed!

We need to wake up & smell the roses, we are a minority group, & a highly splinterd one at that, in a land where PC rules. (& motorbikes aren't seen as PC)

Incidents like this are nails in the coffin of our sport of motorcycling!
Are you prepared to stand up & set aside your personal likes & dis-likes so we all can keep riding, & our children can too?

[Danger]

I read in the Herald today that this lad has been racing MX for two years! I would have hoped that someone involved in the motorcycle scene would be a bit more respectful of other beach users. That kind of does lump us in the same basket unfortunatley as far as outsiders looking in would view us. And yeah, we will all end up paying in some way for his idiocy. Not as much as the family's directly effected.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10486539

[sunhuntin]

I read in the Herald today that this lad has been racing MX for two years! I would have hoped that someone involved in the motorcycle scene would be a bit more respectful of other beach users. That kind of does lump us in the same basket unfortunatley as far as outsiders looking in would view us. And yeah, we will all end up paying in some way for his idiocy. Not as much as the family's directly effected.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10486539

i just read that in the paper, and find it sadly amusing that his parents are trying to say hes the victim in all of this. to quote his step dad "He's too scared to have fun." least he has the opportuinity to go out and have fun, unlike the two girls involved, one of which will likely as not have a bad school year, due to having to start late, plus she will not be able to concentrate properly, and the other of which will never get the chance to complete her life.

this from his mother "The first three days were really hard to even put your head around it, but you know you have to put your head up. We can't do anything about it... you just can't put life on hold. We have a farm to run, we have a family to look after so we can't just stop it." "We have found out that they are really nice people. I was just trying to put across that there could be a whole lot of dislike and they are more than welcome to feel that for the rest of their lives," "He's a thoughtful, caring kid, and he's always thinking about other people.

wouldnt it be nice if this mother would stop trying to talk away what her son did, and made him take responsibility instead? obviously hes not very thoughtful, otherwise he would have thought about the what ifs before they became a reality.

[Nagash]

What an absolute twat,

Everything in that article shouts out the arrogance of these people. They're denying responsibility for what their son did 'who's too afraid to have fun'? I can only imagine what the Victim's family, the friend who was also injured, and all the other friends must be feeling like.

How can she even attempt to pass off that this kid's considerate when people had already tried to slow him down previously and he didn't change his attitude in the slightest.


I've been riding down Muriwai beach plenty of times and there's many place's that motocross rider's can go that are away from other beach go'ers. There's even a proper track that closed off to the public at a small fee.


Ofcourse this kid gives other riders a bad name, it may of been his actions that caused the accident but the public don't think of it in that way, it was a motorcross bike that killed the girl and therefore all biker's will get chased off the beach. He's put a major dent in rider's reputation.


I hope he gets what he deserves either through the legal system (That's gotta be *atleast* manslaughter) or his own guilt will teach him a lesson.

[Katman]

I wish a lot of the road riders on this site would read this thread and realise they have no right to have the attiude "I'll ride however the fuck I like and if you don't like it, get fucked". I've been banging my head against the wall for a while now.

[Jantar]

I wish a lot of the road riders on this site would read this thread and realise they have no right to have the attiude "I'll ride however the fuck I like and if you don't like it, get fucked". I've been banging my head against the wall for a while now.
If I ever hear of a road rider riding at night without lights through a pedestrian mall, then I'll back your statement 100%. Until then just keep on crying wolf. :wacko:

[Nagash]

Well how about rider's cutting into blind corners on the other side of the road?

That enough for you?


Perhaps rider's doing wheelie's down the motorway which can always lead to the dreaded tank slapper.

You can't say that some road rider's think that they can't do whatever they want. Not all, or even most but then that also goes for dirt bikers.

[Katman]

If I ever hear of a road rider riding at night without lights through a pedestrian mall, then I'll back your statement 100%. Until then just keep on crying wolf. :wacko:

Your lack of intelligence makes me wonder what criteria a moderator needs to meet. I have personally been within a hairs breadth of being killed by a wheel standing motorcyclist. There have been other examples of wheel stands actually leading to the death of members from this very site. Your flippancy comes across as downright disgusting.

[Jantar]

Well how about rider's cutting into blind corners on the other side of the road?

That enough for you?
Its not a practice I condone, but then again I don't see a lot of riders doing this either. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as it certainly does. Refer to Dangerous comments of a couple of weeks ago.

[/QUOTE] Perhaps rider's doing wheelie's down the motorway which can always lead to the dreaded tank slapper.

You can't say that some road rider's think that they can't do whatever they want. Not all, or even most but then that also goes for dirt bikers. [/QUOTE]

You have it correct: some do act this way. Have you spoken to them about it?


Your lack of intelligence makes me wonder what criteria a moderator needs to meet. I have personally been within a hairs breadth of being killed by a wheel standing motorcyclist. There have been other examples of wheel stands actually leading to the death of members from this very site. Your flippancy comes across as downright disgusting.
Yes, there have been examples of dangerous practices, but some, not a lot. Few of which are as dangerous as riding at high speed at night without lights in an area frequented by children.

[Nagash]

You have it correct: some do act this way. Have you spoken to them about it?

I was putting emphasis on the word some aswell, some Dirt Bikers do this. As do some Road Bikers. The impression I got from your prior post was that it's only Dirt Biker's that do this sort of thing is plainly not true.

Though I reckon that Dirt Biker's may ride differently because they don't believe they are riding on a road so they don't have to follow the road laws, but I don't think there's that much of a difference between Roadies and Dirters.

[sunhuntin]

different view on tardme... watch the pity on the boy roll in

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=23128874&threadid=23128874

[Nagash]

Wow... that's pretty strange. There's a clear-cut difference between rider's and non-riders. Very different perspectives and interesting to see.

Though ofcourse they're wrong and we're right :argue: :dodge:

[sunhuntin]

the problem with many tardme users, is they consider anyone not legally an adult to have a childs brain. like they are saying 'hes only 15" well, isnt 15 old enough to have a smidgen of common sense? just a drop? specially if hes been riding since he was 10. i think his parents need a good kick up the backside.

[dammad1]

It sounds to me that alot of people on here are jumping on the bandwagon with all the other PC brigrade. Forget all the media hype and look at the facts that are available. A 15 year old kid goes to the beach at 8.30pm for a hoon on his bike, a tragic accident occurs and a girl dies. I'm sure half the dirt bike riders on here have done this at some stage and probably in a manor alot worse than this kid did, but because no accidents happened people are none the wiser.

Unfortunately vehicles and pedestrians don't mix and eventually no matter how safe you think you are being, accidents will occur.

[carver]

"showing off" ???? i ddn't know carver or sidewinder had a younger brother.



quote *fast bikes 3*

"it appears there is a bit of a show off in all of us"