Accident in Kawakawa Bay on news? Sat 6/01/2008

[skidMark]

Saw on the new tonight a ducati versus a go kart that some kid pulled out of thier driveway with...anybody know the rider and thier condition...

they just said injured?

anybody know what the story is?

thanks: Mark

[Brett]

Bloody odd crash to have. Hope both are ok.

[jtzzr]

Went out to Kawakawa Bay today for a pootle ,the dairy owner there said the young fella on the go-kart passed away in the early hours of this morning.
What a shit way to start the year.
RIP.....dude

[ital916]

RIP dude...very sad news.

[McDuck]

Without trying to be heartless and cold but isnt that what you get when you pull out into a street without looking ina home made go-kart wearing no protective gear at all? I have ha s asimmiler thing happen apart form (by luck) i had about 5 extra meters to stop. Sad for the biker tho.

[breakaway]

Without trying to be heartless and cold but isnt that what you get when you pull out into a street without looking ina home made go-kart wearing no protective gear at all?

My thoughts exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[EnzoYug]

I feel for the family, the rider and the kid.
Nasty way to start any year.

[danchop]

wasnt no home made go cart,was one of the great chinese ones parents buy thier kids for xmas cause theyre cheap along with all the other chinese 2 wheeler/4wheeler 2/stroke 4/stroke pieces of shit out there.the nz govt is to blame i reckon,allowing these unsafe pieces of crap to come here,because theyre so cheap, any parents buy them who have no previous experience whatsoever in riding or having ever riden a bike/go cart in thier life and then let thier kids go mayhem all over the place without knowing the basics of how to operate them
at least when motorised kids bikes were reasonbly expensive and of good quality usually only the parents with experience first hand with bikes/go carts etc would buy them for thier kids
wharehouses that sell these in mass numbers to the likes of mr taliofa in mangere dont give a shit that they know full well he has no place safe to let his kid ride that machine but on the public driveway

[McDuck]

How is itt he gokarts falt the rider is an imbosile? It could have been worth 5k and he would have still pulled out without looking.

[danchop]

if it were a $4000 gocart the 15 year old kid would not have paid for it and the parents you would have thought to spend that much on a kid would also be able to afford saftey gear and have proper places to ride them and probably as i said had an active interest in the sport,these things are so cheap solo mums buy em

[McDuck]

if it were a $4000 gocart the 15 year old kid would not have paid for it and the parents you would have thought to spend that much on a kid would also be able to afford saftey gear and have proper places to ride them and probably as i said had an active interest in the sport,these things are so cheap solo mums buy em

what the hell? There are kids riding aorund here on new kawas and suzuki trail bikes with no gear, again it is not the bikes falt the driver made a BAD CALL.

[sAsLEX]

if it were a $4000 gocart the 15 year old kid would not have paid for it and the parents you would have thought to spend that much on a kid would also be able to afford saftey gear and have proper places to ride them and probably as i said had an active interest in the sport,these things are so cheap solo mums buy em

or they could of made one out of a plank some old wheelbarrow wheels a piece of bailing twine and a beer crate and some carpet like the two I had as a kid....... and still gone in front of a car.

Our game used to be demolition derby. Whoever made it to the bottom of the hill won....... anything goes.... no broken bones there.... and then we got a 4 wheeler.... two long bits of rope and the game just got more fun!

[Motig]

So danchop, once again the old "its someone elses fault" comes up. No wonder this country is going to hell. Spose Helen Clark is once again to blame or should John Keys have done something? Back in the real world I hope the bikers OK, even tho it wasn't his fault thr poor bastard will be feeling terrible. My sympathies to him.

[danchop]

in this case yes obviously cause the driver of the go kart was fuckin 15 and doesnt live by himself at kawakawa bay does he
my 3 nephews recieved 3 motorbikes for xmas from thier grandmother,both thier parents have never had anything to do with bikes,thier ages are 4(twin boys)and 11,one of the 4 year olds collided with the 11 year old and has lost an eye/broken pelvis and severley fractured one arm the other got away with cuts and bruises,they were riding up and down the street cause they have no backyard where they live,with thier presents they recieved no fuckin saftey gear and so they were off to have fun,yeah i fuckin blame the riders alright

[danchop]

and it will be reflected in your bike rego acc increase in the not so distant future and then youll be blaming someone else

[yungatart]

Apparently the go kart was a doer upper and Dad had said not to ride it until he had checked it over. Boys being boys really!
I blame testosterone and that bloody "Y" chromosome.
We cannot and should not protect our young from every conceivable injury and harm.
It is a tragedy, pure and simple!

[bell]

I may have missed a few words of the story on TV1 news, but I heard no mention whatsoever of the condition of the motorcyclist. Unsurprising really.

[McDuck]

in this case yes obviously cause the driver of the go kart was fuckin 15 and doesnt live by himself at kawakawa bay does he
my 3 nephews recieved 3 motorbikes for xmas from thier grandmother,both thier parents have never had anything to do with bikes,thier ages are 4(twin boys)and 11,one of the 4 year olds collided with the 11 year old and has lost an eye/broken pelvis and severley fractured one arm the other got away with cuts and bruises,they were riding up and down the street cause they have no backyard where they live,with thier presents they recieved no fuckin saftey gear and so they were off to have fun,yeah i fuckin blame the riders alright

Natural selection. Evolution you can see.

[Mangina]

Apparently rider has minor injuries which is good. We were at Orere point and spoke to someone who was at the fish and chip shop 200 metres away when it happened. Apparently the guy in the cart was warned by them and others for about half an hour prior. He was riding his cart at speed on the wrong side of the main road.

[Beemer]

This was from Stuff today:


Teenager dies in hospital after go-kart crashes
Monday, 07 January 2008

A teenager has died after his go-kart collided with a motorcycle on the road near his Auckland home.

Kawa Curtis, 15, was airlifted from Kawakawa Bay to Auckland City Hospital with head injuries Saturday evening and died that night.

"He went straight out and hit the motorbike fella, went up in the air. . . he would have been around eight metres and then hit the ground. He slid and the bike slid and kind of flipped off the go-kart," Kadin Ford, a friend of Curtis, told One News.

"He was unconscious on the ground and he was breathing and we were just trying to keep him company and telling him to breathe."

The motorcycle rider was taken to Middlemore Hospital with minor injuries.

The Herald on Sunday reported that Kawa's stepfather had bought the go-kart, which can reach speeds of 50kph, for Kawa to do up.

Kawa decided to fix the kart and drive it before his stepfather had the chance to check it, the paper said.

Kadin and another friend, Jacob Marsh-Bently, 14, believed the kart's brakes were faulty.

"He would have tried to stop it but it takes a long time to slow," Jacob told the Herald on Sunday.

- NPZA

[Mr Merde]

Was listening to early morning radio before I left for work this morning and the hosts were sort of implying that it could have been the bikes fault because it didnt have its lights on.

My good lady wondered why I hit the bloody roof.

[Beemer]

Was listening to early morning radio before I left for work this morning and the hosts were sort of implying that it could have been the bikes fault because it didnt have its lights on.

My good lady wondered why I hit the bloody roof.

Don't blame you - bit like when drunk pedestrians get run over after lying down on the road for a rest - if THEY hadn't been there in the first place, they wouldn't be dead. And besides, from the shots on the news, it was daylight, so even if the bike didn't have its lights on, so what? I thought most modern bikes had their lights hardwired on in any case, but judging by the quote from his mate, HE hit the bike, not the other way around. Sad way to learn a lesson, but blaming the bike rider is not acceptable.

As my husband said, you'd be bloody pissed off to be riding an expensive bike like that and have it taken out by a go kart that shouldn't have even been on the road.

[sAsLEX]

Was listening to early morning radio before I left for work this morning and the hosts were sort of implying that it could have been the bikes fault because it didnt have its lights on.

My good lady wondered why I hit the bloody roof.

And how many cars drive with their lights on during the day!? Fuckin hypocrites!

[DEATH_INC.]

Yeh, that'd be right, nothing to do with a unlicensed driver of a not roadworthy vehicle not giving way......

[Ixion]

Was listening to early morning radio before I left for work this morning and the hosts were sort of implying that it could have been the bikes fault because it didnt have its lights on.

My good lady wondered why I hit the bloody roof.

I have sort of abandoned having my lights on nowadays, if I am wearing a hi-vis jacket.

I read once a reasonably scholarly dissertion , the gist of which was that people have been conditioned by a squidzillion years of evolution to look at things, but not actualy observe them unless they (perceptively) fall into one of four categories:

Food (I can eat that)
Fear (Shit, that will eat me)
Sex (I'll fuck that)
What the Hell (no idea WHAT that is)

Originally, vehicles with lights on during the day were rare. So they fell into category 4. "Eh, woddahell, wozthad? Oh its onna dem muddacygles. N 'es gort 'is 'eadlight orn, silly prick". But at least he noticed.

Now, vehicles with lights on are so common that they no longer fall into the Wot the Hell category. Or, any of the others, unless they be Mongrel Mob members or cops (Fear) ; or naked biker chicks ( ain't she ever heard of ATGATT ?).

So, I figure a bright very visible hi-vis jacket WITHOUT a headlight , is maybe more What the Hell than the same with light. "Eh, woddahell, wozthad? Oh its onna dem muddacygles. N 'e ain't gort 'is 'eadlight orn, silly prick".

[jtzzr]

And how many cars drive with their lights on during the day!? Fuckin hypocrites!

Alot more cars drive with their lights on during the day nowadays , it makes it easier for us bikers to see them:blink::eek5:, I guess the campaign for cages is working.:bash: But still a sad situation for the young fellas family though.

[quickbuck]

This was from Stuff today:

"He went straight out and hit the motorbike fella, went up in the air. . . he would have been around eight metres and then hit the ground. He slid and the bike slid and kind of flipped off the go-kart," Kadin Ford, a friend of Curtis, told One News.



- NPZA

good old eye witness accounts eh?
8 Metres! WOW.
He must have had some really good gear on.

[jtzzr]

We are talking about a teenager who has no real perception of speed nor height , 8mtrs to you and I is pretty much 8 mtrs , but to a young person 3ft(1mtr)is 8mtrs , if you asked the young fella how fast the bike was going what would he say,he doesn`t know he only saw the kart hit the bike and from all understanding the bike was travelling at 50k.

[Kittyhawk]

Its why I think the driving and drinking age should be raised..

This kind of stuff, no matter how experienced the rider was it still happens even to the best riders.

Young people have no judgement unless practised and guided by someone who holds a full licence etc.

MY brother and I did similar back in the day when we were young. Mum and dad were out, they said not to go driving around the house in our gokart, my bro and I managed to get it going, and what do ya know, yep we crashed. We were lucky that it was a large farm house and lots of backyard space.

We knew better than to take it on the road.

It happens, kids go behind parents backs, we all do it. Just a shame this turned out the way it did.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

motorized toys are part of our world, heaven for bid kids get exersize the quad we got for a 4 year old is only used in front of his dad in there back yard or away at some doc campping ground by the beach as is his 6 year old brothers. ground rules are set early on if you don,t lissen you don,t ride helmets on long pants long sleves .we didn,t get the dirt bikes thay had serious quality problems bottem line if you havent got the time or the yard don,t get them. high matanance toys

[McDuck]

Cheers for the red bling over my natural selection comment, and i still mean every word of it. The fact of the matter is it is up to to who ever is installing knowledge onto these kids as to how they act. By letting the 4 year old lose on a trail bike it was instilling a tradition of dumb decisions.

[nattygee]

hi this is the bikers daughter. dad is healing physically but mentally still scarred. thanks for your thoughts.

[yungatart]

hi this is the bikers daughter. dad is healing physically but mentally still scarred. thanks for your thoughts.

Welcome! Tragic thing for your Dad to have gone through.
Regards to your family.

[Nagash]

hi this is the bikers daughter. dad is healing physically but mentally still scarred. thanks for your thoughts.

Welcome to KiwiBiker,

I can't even imagine the strife your dad must be going through, regards to him and your family.

Perhaps you could also keep us updated on any legal proceedings? I'd be curious to know if your Dad does get stuck with the blame for this one.

[McDuck]

hi this is the bikers daughter. dad is healing physically but mentally still scarred. thanks for your thoughts.

Tell him to get well soon. Give him all the support he needs as it actuallly was not his falt.