Biker Down threads!

[Mom]

It makes my blood run a bit cooler each time I see one of these threads start up on here. Perhaps I have started this in the wrong forum, but out here seemed the better option rather than site stuff to me.

We are all bikers, we know and understand the risks with partaking in the sport, hobby, relaxation, profession that is motorcycling. We accept that risk, defend our right to continue, and attempt to demand a safe environment to be provided out on the roads/track for us.

Sadly, some of us die while out riding, it is a fact of life. We do as much as we personally can to avoid it, ATGATT, well maintained bikes, extremely good "spidey vision" and what have you, but it still happens.

What I want to know is why there seems to be this overwhelming need to post up here every time there is a biker fatality, and why so many people feel the need to make meaningless posts like;


............. or

rip.....or

I would understand completely if it was a loved member of KB, or even a member who has lost a biker friend that was not a member, who is reaching out for a bit of support, but....

Dont get me wrong here, it saddens me everytime I read about a biker death, it is the faux grief that bothers me, and the need to bring it to my attention by posting it here.

And before I get told I dont have to read them, I dont as a rule, very rarely if ever say anything, but the thread titles are still there eh?

[NighthawkNZ]

What I want to know is why there seems to be this overwhelming need to post up here every time there is a biker fatality, and why so many people feel the need to make meaningless posts like;


I would understand completely if it was a loved member of KB, or even a member who has lost a biker friend that was not a member, who is reaching out for a bit of support, but....

Dont get me wrong here, it saddens me everytime I read about a biker death, it is the faux grief that bothers me, and the need to bring it to my attention by posting it here.

And before I get told I dont have to read them, I dont as a rule, very rarely if ever say anything, but the thread titles are still there eh?

I agree and hate reading them as well, and I don't know why they need to be posted here. Yes you don't have to read them the title is enough for me as well to get the message loud and clear, and on the same token it is a somber reminder how vunerable bikers are, and it definately reminds me to keep an eye on what I am doing when I am out riding.

[jtzzr]

I empathise with you MOM , but I do it as a mark of respect I guess , I/We live in a world which many people don`t dare to or are too scared of , which is motorcycling , so the way I see it , is that only a handful of us do ride and when someone in such a small community such as ours has an unfortunate accident, I believe we should show our respects ,because it could have been me or you .OOh Happy New Year to you and whatshisname.

[Sully60]

faux grief

Nuff said.

[Mom]

I empathise with you MOM

Look I agree with what you are saying, we are a minority on the roads, and there are reasons why folk wont get out and about on a bike, we are a dangerous means of transport after all.

Respect eh? Ok I can buy that one.

I must be disrespectful then?

[lanci]

Katman your thoughts? :msn-wink:

I think it's a morbid fascination people have with death...........

[sunhuntin]

chances are, someone here might know that rider. plus it also reminds us all to keep safe where we can.

and why do you say its unfortunate when some die on their bikes? ive said it before, and ill say it again, give me the choice, and id rather breath my last at 100k than lying in a bed remembering what once was...

[Steam]

I reckon the Rider Down threads are just morbid too, have no useful purpose.
All they do is make me afraid it is my brother or a mate who has been killed / maimed.

But I suppose it's the same as the TV News covering car crashes, it is news. People do want to hear about it.

[sunhuntin]

steam gave me another thought... unless the bike accident is extraordinary [like the drunk that crossed the line] how often do they get reported on the evening news?
i guess the posts here are another way of making sure their lives dont go un noticed.

[Ixion]

Sand, sand, get your sand here. best quality, why risk your head becoming uncovered.

Can't look Death in the face, buy a cage.

[Mom]

chances are, someone here might know that rider. plus it also reminds us all to keep safe where we can.

and why do you say its unfortunate when some die on their bikes? ive said it before, and ill say it again, give me the choice, and id rather breath my last at 100k than lying in a bed remembering what once was...

To be blunt here, absolutely no offense meant and all that, me too mate kicking is the way I want to go, but please take your I want to die on a bike attitude and fluffel up a gum tree!

[Mom]

Sand, sand, get your sand here. best quality, why risk your head becoming uncovered.

Can't look Death in the face, buy a cage.

Absolutely!

But, please dont pretend you care by posting............... when someone that you dont know posts a Police comms report about someone on a bike that has died on the road.

We all care! It is horrible and tragic for the family and friends of the person that has died.

[Ixion]

Well, if I am walking up the road, and a pass a neighbour, and say a good morning, as you do. And he (or she) says, "oh well, my (uncle, father, toilet cleaner , pimp whatever) died last night", I will reply "Oh dear, I'm really sorry to hear that. My condolences to the family " etc. Now, if I am willing to do that much for a person who I have never heard of, and know nothing whatsoever about , why should I not do as much for someone with whom I share at least one thing in common?

Even if I do not know the person, somone reading the thread may, and take some consolation from the expressions of sympathy, no matter how conventional.

Should I reply to my neighbour "Get stuffed, I don't know him, so who give a shit " ?

[onearmedbandit]

Well said Ixion.

[ital916]

I'm with ixion, if someone posts about a fallen biker I will pay my respects.

[dangerous]

Should I reply to my neighbour "Get stuffed, I don't know him, so who give a shit " ?

I hear ya aye, but that is a slightly diferent senario... you know ya neighbour and when put on the spot like that of course it is respectfull to pass best whishes on.

MOM, well done starting this thread most are to afaraid to kick up a stink or say there thoughts due to the PC do gooders world NZ is.
I dont get the hundreds that post ... or rip either (different if the dead is knowen to them) I think its cos socity dicktates that we should, rather than just thinking to ya self when hearing such news... "ahhh fuck it not again, sad times for familys etc" no we have to post it cos the person next to you did and if you dont you will be frowned upon.

[oldrider]

All mammals seem to get excited at a new birth or a death, we are just mimicking thousands of years of evolution of our kind.

Such behaviour is neither right or wrong, I think it is an expression of our vulnerability.

Your individual reaction is both personal and unique, feel free to express yourself as you will.

I will still respect you in the morning. :yes: Cheers John.

[Motig]

I'm with you Mom. To put it bluntly its bloody depressing especially at the rate it seems to be happening at the moment. From memory I think I suggested on a similar topic that perhaps we should have a seperate heading/forum (Biker Down) perhaps? Whadda ya reckon folks?

[T.W.R]

Well, if I am walking up the road, and a pass a neighbour, and say a good morning, as you do. And he (or she) says, "oh well, my (uncle, father, toilet cleaner , pimp whatever) died last night", I will reply "Oh dear, I'm really sorry to hear that. My condolences to the family " etc. Now, if I am willing to do that much for a person who I have never heard of, and know nothing whatsoever about , why should I not do as much for someone with whom I share at least one thing in common?

Even if I do not know the person, somone reading the thread may, and take some consolation from the expressions of sympathy, no matter how conventional.

Should I reply to my neighbour "Get stuffed, I don't know him, so who give a shit " ?

Exactly! it's a bit of common decency and respect for the person :yes: it's something that supposedly separates us from animals, of which there are plenty who lack it these days :angry2:

And for those who are sitting on a pedestal blow-assing about morbid obsession and hollow statements of concern for fellow motorcyclists who have been taken :finger: Most of you haven't been right on that doorstep and almost gone through!:nono:
Some of us have been right there and come away with a better sense of what we really are as motorcyclists and know the pain and suffering that a fallen biker may have endured before lights out.

You want a bit of reality of what happens go here (http://ride2die.com) but be warned it is F@#*ING!!! GRAPHIC but it's reality, it'll actually teach plenty about not just how vunerable we are but also a bit about having decent bloody LEATHER gear and wearing it!
So have a bit sympathy and respect for those who pull the curtain for the final time, a small gesture isn't much but it counts in any form.

[pritch]

Generally I don't respond to the threads. One feels sympathy but can't think of anything sensible to say, so say nothing.

Today I did respond, but that was occasioned by other thoughts. One does, however feel sympathy for family of the deceased.

It is possible that the rush to report a "biker down" before any details are known should be discouraged. That generally only causes others in the area unnecessary worry.

[325rocket]

The only reason I read them is in case it was a member of k.b, if it is I like to read through their posts to get a feel for the person. I look at it as a mark of respect and the least I can do.
Others might disagree but each to their own.

[Mom]

Ok to clarify a bit more then.

If I meet a neighbour of mine and they say my blah, blah died then of course I am going to offer my condolences, that is human. I know my neighbour not the person that died, so I offer my condolences to my neighbour.

I dont read the death notices in the Harold everyday and I certainly dont randomly send condolence cards to all the families that have lost a loved one.

[jafar]

Every time I see a 'biker down' heading my heart sinks, one less of us. It makes me aware that we are here for a good time not a long time, that @ any time our number may be called & we may not make it home tonight. For some that will be permanent , for others it will be a long stay in hospital or worse.
Often the very least we can do is offer our sympathy, even if it is only on a internet forum that the family is unlikely to ever visit.

[onearmedbandit]

I think its cos socity dicktates that we should, rather than just thinking to ya self when hearing such news... "ahhh fuck it not again, sad times for familys etc" no we have to post it cos the person next to you did and if you dont you will be frowned upon.

Either you are taking the piss or that is the stupidest thing I've seen you ever post.

[Crisis management]

Good on you Mom for posting this, I agree whole heartedly with the sentiments. From my viewpoint I don't owe another biker any greater respect than any other person simply because they ride a bike, I don't send condolence messages to every family that loses someone so why should I post about a biker thats passed away.
If it's someone I know I will offer my condolences, otherwise, sorry, but I'm not going to offer some shallow word or two, it's not that I don't care but I'm not a funeral groupie and I'm not going to interfeer with others true grief by sticking my nose in.
My apologies if this offends anyone but the constant RIP threads certainly offend my sensitivities.

[Headbanger]

I'm going to sit on the fence, On the one hand I'm pretty much in agreement with the views expressed by MOM, But hell, If the good people of KB want to mark the death of bikers on the road, so be it.

Only ever posted in the odd "Biker down" thread if I personally knew the person.

[Trudes]

The only reason I read them is in case it was a member of k.b, if it is I like to read through their posts to get a feel for the person. I look at it as a mark of respect and the least I can do.
Others might disagree but each to their own.

+1........

[Ixion]

What I do not understand (genuinely) is why people should think it offensive, or be so opposed to it. I can well understand those who say that it seems pointless and therefore they do not do it, I seldom do myself. But others are overtly hostile to the idea.

It does no harm, may do some good.

A while ago , when the four motorcyclists were killed by the Austrienne, a number of people, knowing that I ride, commented on the tragedy to me, with conventional comments of good will (" not friends of yours I hope, Very sad, terrible for the family " etc).

They did not know the motorcyclists, were not riders themselves, but , figuratively speaking raised their hats and bowed. I thought it seemly of them.

Would those who are strident about these postings have similarly berated them

[car]

So have a bit sympathy and respect for those who pull the curtain for the final time, a small gesture isn't much but it counts in any form.

Long time no see!

I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to.

There are plenty here who could put me to shame, I'm sure, and I can think of a couple whose brass neck and balls of steel are inspirational. However, I've been close more times than I care to, and my collection of X-rays, CT scans and MRIs is large, and stretches back thirty years, with scars to match. I hope I pass the physical...

I don't expect you to respect me for that, and neither do I expect anyone to respect me any more when I finally shuffle off this mortal coil, except, maybe, hopefully, the few that knew me well enough to comment. Jim2 put it a bit brutally, but who am I to any of you? If my neighbour tells me that his auntie just died, I'm going to say I'm sorry because I know my neighbour, no more. Riding a motorcycle doesn't make his auntie any more like me than the many other people who died that day, nor make her suffering any greater, or more deserving of respect.

I do think that deep down people do need a little bit of salt and pepper on their daily drudge, to make it just a little less dull. Any sane person who kept their head above the tsunami of puke that ripped ashore after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales can't help but have drawn a similar conclusion.

I keep wondering whether all these people, if they really are moved to tears, might be better off not associating themselves with a group of people whose choice of lifestyle comes with such a high attrition rate.

Has anyone suggested an obits forum yet? +1 to that.

All of that said, here's a nice ZXR750 pic just to cheer you up.

[WelshWizard]

Why, because we are biker, it like being part of a family, maybe not so much with the young riders these days, but it an Old School Thing like putting your pillion pegs down at a biker funeral.

As for the RIP bit sorry it not meaningless to the family of those who have been killed it means a hell of a lot, even as time passes one still looks through the post about your loved one, and it helps with the healing process. even the one who do not know your loved ones who post give morning of your lost one extra meaning.

Also it helps to remind other rider to be carefull out there.

RIP Back_Fire get opened at least once a week and read through, I think you will find Jen and her mum and dad will still be browsing the one about Loose Bruce.

Jsut keep posting them, even if not a KB member, the family may find the post and get solitude from it.

[ElCoyote]

Well said Ixion.

My thoughts are this; we all ride bikes and acknowledge on the road with a nod or hand wave..............why?

Do cages acknowledge each other............No?

Let's not forget we are an at risk minority and therefore when one of the minority is hurt/killed we empathise, whether this be internally or via media is not the point.

"There but for the grace of God go thee"

By all means include in the caption "Biker down at XXXXX" which aleviates the fears of those who can discount loved ones and if you are in this category do not read further.

If I suspected that somebody I knew was involved I would move heaven and earth to attempt to help or console those left behind.

Compare it to a censors rating on a program. Contains graphic scenes or gratuitous violence and bad language. If that offends you DON'T WATCH.

If this swims upstream so be it.:Pokey:

[Big Dave]

Mudguards have their own KB section - so should there be a place for those who need to grieve - and it should be away from those who don't.

[car]

What I do not understand (genuinely) is why people should think it offensive, or be so opposed to it. I can well understand those who say that it seems pointless and therefore they do not do it, I seldom do myself. But others are overtly hostile to the idea.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the people who're posting now aren't actually hostile, but just making a small noise, having their say, reacting with the equal and opposite post. It's not that much harder to understand than the need to say "rip [cryingsmiley]" is it? And it's in considerably better taste than waiting for a real biker down post to say "wat R all U fagets cryin about?"

Me, I really don't get it, and I'm usually happy to hold my peace. But the discussion of who and why, right now, is interesting to me.


A while ago , when the four motorcyclists were killed by the Austrienne, a number of people, knowing that I ride, commented on the tragedy to me, with conventional comments of good will (" not friends of yours I hope, Very sad, terrible for the family " etc).

They did not know the motorcyclists, were not riders themselves, but , figuratively speaking raised their hats and bowed. I thought it seemly of them.

Aye, more good sense Mr Ixion. I remember my first thought when the news of 9-11 hit (well, second; my sister was on a plane from Tokyo to London at the time so my first thought was some quick mental geography to assure myself that she wasn't affected) was for my friends in the US, and I figuratively doffed my hat the same way.

[chanceyy]

Well, if I am walking up the road, and a pass a neighbour, and say a good morning, as you do. And he (or she) says, "oh well, my (uncle, father, toilet cleaner , pimp whatever) died last night", I will reply "Oh dear, I'm really sorry to hear that. My condolences to the family " etc. Now, if I am willing to do that much for a person who I have never heard of, and know nothing whatsoever about , why should I not do as much for someone with whom I share at least one thing in common?

Even if I do not know the person, somone reading the thread may, and take some consolation from the expressions of sympathy, no matter how conventional.

Should I reply to my neighbour "Get stuffed, I don't know him, so who give a shit " ?


Exactly! it's a bit of common decency and respect for the person :yes: it's something that supposedly separates us from animals, of which there are plenty who lack it these days :angry2:

And for those who are sitting on a pedestal blow-assing about morbid obsession and hollow statements of concern for fellow motorcyclists who have been taken :finger: Most of you haven't been right on that doorstep and almost gone through!:nono:
Some of us have been right there and come away with a better sense of what we really are as motorcyclists and know the pain and suffering that a fallen biker may have endured before lights out.

You want a bit of reality of what happens go here (http://ride2die.com) but be warned it is F@#*ING!!! GRAPHIC but it's reality, it'll actually teach plenty about not just how vunerable we are but also a bit about having decent bloody LEATHER gear and wearing it!
So have a bit sympathy and respect for those who pull the curtain for the final time, a small gesture isn't much but it counts in any form.


The only reason I read them is in case it was a member of k.b, if it is I like to read through their posts to get a feel for the person. I look at it as a mark of respect and the least I can do.
Others might disagree but each to their own.

I totally agree with all three posts above ..

for me its a mark of respect, totally feel for the families & have heard that a number of non kber family & friends hear bout the site & come in to read what is posted.
I really really feel for those who have lost someone & if a few kind words or acknowledgment of their loss can give a loved one a bit of comfort then I will continue to do so ...

perhaps those unfortunate families who have lost someone can give their perspective on the nature of these threads .. hurtful or helpful ?

[Mom]

What I do not understand (genuinely) is why people should think it offensive, or be so opposed to it.


Dont read me wrong Ixion

I am not offended by the Biker down threads at all! It saddens me to hear of a needless death, and it comes a bit closer when it is a 2 wheel vehicle involved, I guess that brings it a bit closer to me. I am not opposed to them either, you will remember that terrible time that KB had last year with the tragic deaths of some of our members. I felt the pain of the friends and families of those boys that died. That is something different altogether in my mind. The threads that were started back then were meaningful, as have been others since, my comment directly relates to the "I heard a biker has been killed" anyone know anything about it? type threads that lead into OMG the rider is dead...

The thing I actually struggle with is the

............. posts

rip.........posts

I dont know the person, more often than not the one that posts the Police Coms report does not know them either. Why post it, and if it is posted why comment?

[car]

Do cages acknowledge each other............No?

Yes, they do; air-cooled VW owners wave at each other. They wave at Morris Minor owners, too, who in turn wave at other Morris Minor owners, and air-cooled VW owners. But no-one but Mini owners wave at other Mini owners.

There is a sense of "club" on the roads, but it's not restricted to motorcyclists.

[Mom]

perhaps those unfortunate families who have lost someone can give their perspective on the nature of these threads .. hurtful or helpful ?


I have no doubt that on the whole they will have and still take comfort from the words that are posted here when a member dies on the road, or at home or wherever.

That is entirely different to randomly posting ........

for some poor bastard that we have never heard of, dont know, were never likely to meet, that has died while riding a motorcycle.

[MotoKuzzi]

I generally read "biker down" threads, to see if there's any info relating to the crash that might be useful knowledge to another rider. I don't reply if I don't personally know the rider involved.

[Headbanger]

Yes, they do; air-cooled VW owners wave at each other. They wave at Morris Minor owners, too, who in turn wave at other Morris Minor owners, and air-cooled VW owners. But no-one but Mini owners wave at other Mini owners.

There is a sense of "club" on the roads, but it's not restricted to motorcyclists.

Truck drivers wave to each other...

And they still have their sub-groups. Big trucks wont wave to little trucks, so you need to give them such a giant and enthusiastic wave that they wave back as a reaction, Before there coolness kicks in and they stop themselves.

Then, ya flip them the bird.



Then, they try and bully ya off the road next time they see ya...But thats a whole different saga......

[chanceyy]

I have no doubt that on the whole they will have and still take comfort from the words that are posted here when a member dies on the road, or at home or wherever.

That is entirely different to randomly posting ........

for some poor bastard that we have never heard of, dont know, were never likely to meet, that has died while riding a motorcycle.

I have to respectfully disagree Mom .. I have heard of some family members who have found the site & copied the RIP threads regarding their family member & passed it on to other family members ..

regardless if we actually know the person its still an acknowledgment & recognition of the shared passion we have regarding bikes

[T.W.R]

for some poor bastard that we have never heard of, dont know, were never likely to meet, that has died while riding a motorcycle.



I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to.


All of that said, here's a nice ZXR750 pic just to cheer you up.

Put it a slightly different context then:

You acknowledge other bikers on the road with a wave or gesture, sometimes you miss the acknowledgment from another biker as you pass on the road somewhere no knowing who they are, every now and then you may stop to help a stranded biker or have been helped when stranded by a biker not knowing who they are.
Well just think the fallen rider involved in a fatal could have been the biker who acknowledged you or stopped to help you.

expressing a small bit of acknowledgment of a fallen biker isn't some deep heart stopping form of mourning it's just expressing a thought towards someone who was involved in something that is close to you. An expression of realising how fragile we are out there on the road.

BTW CAR lols I see that ZXR is on TM :bleh:

[WelshWizard]

Dont read me wrong Ixion

, my comment directly relates to the "I heard a biker has been killed" anyone know anything about it? type threads that lead into OMG the rider is dead...


I dont know the person, more often than not the one that posts the Police Coms report does not know them either. Why post it, and if it is posted why comment?


Police com reports are not much help and are normally fatal errors in them, and yes these do not help Police making comment as to why the accident happened befor a full investigation is just there way of trying to blame evry thing on speed, they are the one that need censoring to just proven facts.

But with some accidents they are not members of KB, but there is a good chance that some one on KB might know them, so all are relevent.

[car]

expressing a small bit of acknowledgment of a fallen biker isn't some deep heart stopping form of mourning it's just expressing a thought towards someone who was involved in something that is close to you. An expression of realising how fragile we are out there on the road.

I get that, and I understand that that's what it means to you. Are you sure that that's what it means to everyone else who posts?


BTW CAR lols I see that ZXR is on TM :bleh:

Yeah, I'm increasingly less pleased about that. The "health reasons" I cite on the ad aren't bullshit, unfortunately. However, I made the mistake of taking it out for a blat up Paekakariki Hill Road, Gray's Road and then over the hill to the Hutt. What fun! And now every time I see the pics I think "am I compounding a mistake here, by making another?" Oh, well.

[Her_C4]

I generally read "biker down" threads, to see if there's any info relating to the crash that might be useful knowledge to another rider. I don't reply if I don't personally know the rider involved.

Generally that is true for me too. I have family in other cities that also ride, and I worry about them as well as friends and those that I personally know on this forum. I choose whether or not to read the thread, just as I choose whether or not to show my respect to the fallen rider and their friends / families by posting.

Isn't that what it is all about? Personal choice?

With all due respect, it isn't really about 'you' personally and so does it REALLY matter if the threads piss you off or annoy/irritate you in any way?

It is your undeniable right to choose not to read, acknowledge or contribute in any way.

[Cache Wraith]

I don't like seeing "Biker Down" posts but I think it epitomizes the spirit of the KB community. It's NZ's biggest on-line forum and I happily admit to feeling some kinship to other bikers I pass on the road and the ones on KB. If my brother or sister had an accident I would want to know about it.

"Biker Down" threads/posts bring out the good (read compassion) in us - and some of us are hard nuts - and to me that's a good thing. I think it is a little ignorant to think we can have this online community discussing anything and everything to do with bikes and other misc stuff but not have posts about "bikers down". It is a tough fact of life but it is very real in this community and it shouldn't be swept under the carpet or not posted, just so people don't get upset.

To placate the ones against these posts it might be the time to have dedicated threads for crash reporting/discussion/condolences. If that happens I for one will still read them as I will spend a minute thinking about the rider and family and send them some good vibes. It also serves to remind me to be careful out there everytime I read about a crash.

Ride safe brothers and sisters and if I ever read here that you have had a major bin rest assured my thoughts will be with you and your family.

[Jiminy]

I agree with most here. It always breaks my heart to hear about another biker down because I see all two wheelers on the road as friends.

Sympathy messages are of great support to the family. When someone close passes away, it reconforts me to think or see that other people cared about him/her, no matter how they are related, even if just by a common hobby.

However, I understand the view of thoses who disagree with the threads, and a separate section would make complete sense.

Thanks Mom for starting this thread, it was obviously needed.

[Brett]

It serves a purpose. Being a small country, bikers tend to be a close knit bunch, when one of us gets hurt or killed, generally someone in our network of people will know who that person is. Sometimes it is the only way to hear the news. For example, there are guys I have ridden with who are not KB and other than catching up for rides, I have no other contact with them and I know not their friends or families, so if they were killed or put in hospital I would have no way of knowing unless someone posted it on the likes of KB. That may be my only way of finding out.

[James Deuce]

It's quite simple. If it is a KB member, and the site rules have been observed in regard to making sure the name is public and circumstances known then knock yourselves out.

I've been utterly sickened to see people post RIP threads or Biker Down threads for what has turned out to be a bike theft gone wrong. Wait until you have some facts before posting.

Respect? I don't think so.

Until you post a Car driver/truck driver/train driver/suicide down thread, you aren't showing respect for humanity and the "tragedy" of death or celebration of life. You're just wallowing in the "brother/sisterhood" of motorcycling myth.

Faux grief is dead right. If the person who died was known to you and you can impart a little of why that grief is meaningful then that is a worthy thread. Otherwise it's nothing more than post count buffering.

Sit down right now. Try to imagine 6 million people executed because of nothing more than their religion. Difficult to grasp isn't it? That's tragedy on an horrific scale.

A road death? It is an accepted part of modern society, it happens. You accept that every time you use the road network in/on whatever vehicle you chose to use. If it happens to people close to you and you want our support, let us know, and we'll all rally round and do what we can. Count on it.

But don't try and kid people that you care any more for a person you don't know because they ride (steal/borrow/rent/lease?) a motorcycle than you do for 6 million dead Jews killed 60 years ago. Or 40 Palestinians killed by bulldozers crushing houses, or a bunch of Israeli Olympians, or 100,000 Iraqi civilians. All you're saying to grumpy people like me is, "I'm glad it wasn't me."

Aren't we all.

[Brett]

It's quite simple. If it is a KB member, and the site rules have been observed in regard to making sure the name is public and circumstances known then knock yourselves out.

I've been utterly sickened to see people post RIP threads or Biker Down threads for what has turned out to be a bike theft gone wrong. Wait until you have some facts before posting.

Respect? I don't think so.

Until you post a Car driver/truck driver/train driver/suicide down thread, you aren't showing respect for humanity and the "tragedy" of death or celebration of life. You're just wallowing in the "brother/sisterhood" of motorcycling myth.

Faux grief is dead right. If the person who died was known to you and you can impart a little of why that grief is meaningful then that is a worthy thread. Otherwise it's nothing more than post count buffering.

Sit down right now. Try to imagine 6 million people executed because of nothing more than their religion. Difficult to grasp isn't it? That's tragedy on an horrific scale.

A road death? It is an accepted part of modern society, it happens. You accept that every time you use the road network in/on whatever vehicle you chose to use. If it happens to people close to you and you want our support, let us know, and we'll all rally round and do what we can. Count on it.

But don't try and kid people that you care any more for a person you don't know because they ride (steal/borrow/rent/lease?) a motorcycle than you do for 6 million dead Jews killed 60 years ago. Or 40 Palestinians killed by bulldozers crushing houses, or a bunch of Israeli Olympians, or 100,000 Iraqi civilians. All you're saying to grumpy people like me is, "I'm glad it wasn't me."

Aren't we all.

Fair call, the faux grief thing is bang on. I do not RIP for those I did not know or were not close to people I know and respect.

[Renegade]

this whole thread is just a fucked up.

WE are bikers for many different reasons, but who are WE to judge why another person posts about that death if that poster feels a little empathy at the time of posting.

when you see the words "BIKER DEATH" you feel something unique to you as a person, deal with it in your own way, that may be posting on here, a "community forum", but dont bag on those that do, let them be.

[awayatc]

The thing I actually struggle with is the

............. posts

rip.........posts

I dont know the person, more often than not the one that posts the Police Coms report does not know them either. Why post it, and if it is posted why comment?

A small way of trying to say: "I care"
My inner self hasn't hardened up sufficiently to remain unmoved when confronted with human suffering....
Somebody's father/son/grandson/friend/husband/workmate/teammate/neighbour etc etc etc. has left a gap..a huge gap
It is good to acknowledge this sometimes and humanise it.
Reflect on it, and actualy try to feel some of that loss.
I can't care for the whole world, but I can care for a few smaller subgroups....groups I belong to.
In the end all words are meaningless
.................as good as any other, its compassion that makes us human

[justsomeguy]

this whole thread is just a fucked up.

WE are bikers for many different reasons, but who are WE to judge why another person posts about that death if that poster feels a little empathy at the time of posting.

when you see the words "BIKER DEATH" you feel something unique to you as a person, deal with it in your own way, that may be posting on here, a "community forum", but dont bag on those that do, let them be.

+1 :niceone:

We are all bikers, we all realise that we may die doing it as it is risky.

This is where we hang out. So when we hear of a death among us we stop for a moment and reflect on what happened to that person, their family and other people affected.

Sure we are glad it wasn't us to some degree but for those few minutes we take a moment to remember the dead biker, those that we know who have left and also those still here who have escaped death.

I am glad we have these threads. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM DON'T OPEN THEM/don't read them/ignore them.

Would you only have the happy threads here? Seems like Ixion's comments about hiding one's head in sand are rather appropriate then?

Posting in such threads is an act of respect. Hence the simple posts and lack of banter in them. Sometimes somethings are better left unsaid as the lyrics to that Hall and Oates song goes, hence a ".........." post may have more meaning than you care to get out of it.

[Disco Dan]

Whos the down biker then? :whistle:

[justsomeguy]

Another thing.

Even since threads about Flying_Sam, Loosebruce, DSS3, Rayza, Uncle Bruce, Motobob's accident, Inlinefour's accident, Shaun's accident, Frosty's accident, my accident, certain highly respected and skilled gentlemen KBer's deciding to give up road bikes or give up riding due to the subjects behind such threads -

I and people I know review biker down threads with a lot of seriousness, regardless of whether we know the person or not. We do this due to our life experience and our personal ideologies.

If you don't understand us, that is not our fault. Just leave it be.

[WelshWizard]

Whos the down biker then? :whistle:
Not about an actual biker but about the posting of biker down threads

[skidMark]

chances are, someone here might know that rider. plus it also reminds us all to keep safe where we can.

and why do you say its unfortunate when some die on their bikes? ive said it before, and ill say it again, give me the choice, and id rather breath my last at 100k than lying in a bed remembering what once was...
only at 100k????

i was thinking more knee down peg down at 150kph through the 55's on whangamata road.

but each to thier own.:2thumbsup

[ElCoyote]

Truck drivers wave to each other...

And they still have their sub-groups. Big trucks wont wave to little trucks, so you need to give them such a giant and enthusiastic wave that they wave back as a reaction, Before there coolness kicks in and they stop themselves.

Then, ya flip them the bird.



Then, they try and bully ya off the road next time they see ya...But thats a whole different saga......


Right from now on I don't wave to GN250 riders and if the flip me I'll kick their bike over next time I see it. :msn-wink:

[car]

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM DON'T OPEN THEM/don't read them/ignore them.

If that's your attitude to threads you don't like, why are you replying to this one? And, to be fair, isn't that exactly what's been happening so far?

Personally, I'm heartened to find that my lack of ability to engage with this grief for total strangers doesn't make me a psychopath. Or at least, if it does, I'm not a lone psychopath.


Would you only have the happy threads here? Seems like Ixion's comments about hiding one's head in sand are rather appropriate then?

Not at all. As Jim2 said elsewhere, if you have a problem, the community can help sort it out. We've seen this already, it's a good thing. And, God forbid that anyone has cause to grieve here, but we know that it happens and I don't think that anyone in their right mind is saying that it shouldn't.

[Number One]

only at 100k????

i was thinking more knee down peg down at 150kph through the 55's on whangamata road.

but each to thier own.:2thumbsup

Crikey?! Give me a break SM!!!! I don't know you and you don't know me and I wouldn't normally have a go but now I've come across many of your posts I feel I can say it with some experience under my belt...your a bit of a knob! Oh and thought your bike didn't go that fast? O wait a minute it's a rocket ship capable of supersonic speeds according to some of your other posts...well, that is until someone who actually know you slams you for it then with your tail between your legs you go on and say it is actually a slug....are you trying to prove something, just get a reaction or what? Given the amount of crap you seem to get from people it would seem to me that you don't do yourself any favours on here....or is it just that you long for any kind of attention? This is a quite serious thread and you come on talking about doing stupid stuff like that...WTF are you on?

ON THE SUBJECT - I don't like these posts but I do feel they are cathartic for people...we all deal with grief in our own way and for some that just means just acknowledging someones passing...whether they knew them or not. I read them if they are in areas where I know bikers (or where I know my friends are riding) touch wood so far (since I have been on here, not long I admit) I have not had the sad and unfortunate experience of finding out someone I knew/am close to has died but I have been alerted to a few friends having big crashes this way....and I don't post unless I know the person or their friends/family but I do nonetheless feel a level of grief for the biker and family/friends...death is sad FULLSTOP. I cry at funerals (even for those people I don't know well, and before you ask I would only go to the funeral of someone I didn't know to support my family or riends). Every time I hear of a 'biker down' I remind myself that we are not invincible, that it does happen...and not always because of any fault on the bikers part. Finally I agree with the sentiment that there could be a dedicated forum for them though, then I probably wouldn't notice them as I may not go there until after I knew of someone I knew crashing...AND it does seem things get on here pretty damn quick...if it was someone I cared for I'd want to know before seeing it on the 6 o'clock news or reading about it in the paper the next day. rant over.

[Grahameeboy]

"We are all bikers, we all realise that we may die doing it as it is risky."

You'd think we had the film rights on risk eh?

Life is a risk and biking is one of the lesser ones so we are no heroes..

Anyway, I intend to live to 100 and pop me clogs on my Birthday....time to go......don't wanta risk any more years:rolleyes:

[u4ea]

Well I just post RIP........ as a silent thought to the dead.It says I aknowledge a fallen rider.I have been made aware of one death and one major accident of two old mates through these forums and the only major problem I have is when wrong information is posted.

As this is a biker down thread..

May they forever keep the wind at their back ....

RIP fallen riders ........ you are never forgotten

[Katman]

Well, you knew I'd be long to give my two cents worth at some stage.:msn-wink:

The endless posts (by people who never knew the motorcyclist in question) saying nothing more than "rip" or "............." are placed there by people who are desperate to buy into the whole "brotherhood" bullshit and think they'll be accepted if they mindlessly recite the Biker Down Mantra.

Personally, I find that attitude disrespectful.

[Shadows]

"Biker down" is information, like it or not, related to what site is about (although sometimes I wonder). What somebody chooses to do with that information is up to the individual. One may choose to check on friends in the area, use it as a reality check, bury their heads in the sand and ignore it, learn from somebody else's fuck up, reply with "RIP..........", have a wank, - at the end of the day, if it feels good, do it. I couldn't give a shit.

If the notice stated that there was a diesel spill / high winds / stock wandering on the road at night then I'd throw that up there too.

A lot more pertinent a subject than "Depression", or "Please help me how do I give my cat a worming tablet".

[gunnyrob]

From my perspective, I do not buy into the .... or RIP..... either.

What is important is:
1. Do I know the poor SOB (I lost my next door neighbour 2 years ago & had to help sort out his stuff) or;
2. Can I learn something from the incident so it does not happen to me.

[onearmedbandit]

The endless posts (by people who never knew the motorcyclist in question) saying nothing more than "rip" or "............." are placed there by people who are desperate to buy into the whole "brotherhood" bullshit and think they'll be accepted if they mindlessly recite the Biker Down Mantra.

Personally, I find that attitude disrespectful.

Personally, I find your generalisation totally disrespectful. But maybe I should just bow down to you as you obviously possess the incredible ability to understand other peoples motivations without ever meeting or knowing them. You are almost too smart for this forum.

[EJK]

Personally, I find that attitude disrespectful.

Personally, I find your generalisation totally disrespectful. But maybe I should just bow down to you as you obviously possess the incredible ability to understand other peoples motivations without ever meeting or knowing them. You are almost too smart for this forum.

:not:

+ at least 10 characters

[oldrider]

So many posters, so many opinions, it looks like you have created the equivalent of a waving thread here Mom! :confused: Happy New Year. Cheers, John.

[James Deuce]

There's only two opinions.

1. Stop wasting time posting threads about people you don't know.

2. All the people who subscribe to point 1 are cunts.

[Joni]

2. All the people who subscribe to point 1 are cunts.Oh dear Jim....

[Katman]

There's only two opinions.

1. Stop wasting time posting threads about people you don't know.

2. All the people who subscribe to point 1 are cunts.

Nicely put Jim.:msn-wink:

[Beemer]

Nuff said.

I have to agree. If you knew the rider, fine, post and say how sorry you are to hear they have died, or something like that, but all this "RIP rider" or "......" etc is irritating in my opinion.

And ignore Jim, I think he's having a bad year.

[car]

There's only two opinions.

1. Stop wasting time posting threads about people you don't know.

2. All the people who subscribe to point 1 are cunts.

I'd like to tick both, please.

[325rocket]

it looks like you have created the equivalent of a waving thread here Mom! :confused: Happy New Year. Cheers, John.

theres a good idea ...
maybe we should have a special wave, just for kbers .......



:lol:

[Usarka]

................ rip.

[Blue Velvet]

maybe we should have a special wave, just for kbers

Oh no, don't start on the waving... :Pokey: Heh

[onearmedbandit]

How about, those that do will, those that don't won't, and never the twain shall meet.

[Brett]

only at 100k????

i was thinking more knee down peg down at 150kph through the 55's on whangamata road.

but each to thier own.:2thumbsup

Mark...a bit of advice on how to reply to a thread:

1 - engage brain.
2 - formulate proactive expression of opinion.
3 - type words and press enter.

The emphasis on ENGAGE BRAIN.

[Blue Velvet]

................ rip.

Haha :rofl: :corn:

[Brett]

theres a good idea ...
maybe we should have a special wave, just for kbers .......



:lol:

I believe such a wave is followed closely by crasing into a ditch on a learner ride.

[James Deuce]

Oh dear Jim....

I was talking about me sweety! :)

[WelshWizard]

I have to agree. If you knew the rider, fine, post and say how sorry you are to hear they have died, or something like that, but all this "RIP rider" or "......" etc is irritating in my opinion.

And ignore Jim, I think he's having a bad year.

well if it irritating why look.

A view from some one who lost his son not long ago,
Back_fire or Razya was my son, frankly even the ones that posted were welcome, Dan came from a family of motorcyclist, His Mum, sister, other rels who are world wide all have visited the post have glean some form of solice from the posts,
We brought Dan up in a way that if a biker was broken down he would stop to see if he or she needed help, things have changed in the motorcyling community since I first got on a bike over half a century ago, even the power rangers of those days would have the same attitude towards other bikers, since motorcycles have become Sunday toys to many riders I have noticed the change, less maners towards other motorcyclist, or bloody newbe they are just trying to be part of the frat, sorry mate they all have to start some where.

There are motorcyclist that ride motorcyles every day, not just because they are cheep transport, but they prefer travel by bike, Dan (Back_fire ) had been offered the chance of have Car Driving lesson and a car free, his love was bikes, and any one who looks at the post about his accident will see would help any one,

People who post in the main to the Biker Down threads are showing acknowledgement of loss to a comunity , family that are left behind do gain benefit from these threads even when the person who post RIP about there lost one.

[James Deuce]

As I've repeatedly said WelshWizard, if we have a KB Member down and there is anything we can do to help we are here. That is on of the good points of this community.

Random posts for every person who die on NZ's roads ARE irritating. Without details it's not a learning exxperience. Without personal details we're not able to do anything, and I refuse to accept that people really give that much of a shit about people they don't know dying.

Otherwise a good friend of mine wouldn't have spent 4 days dead on his kitchen floor because no one bothered to look.

[Toaster]

How about pictures instead? BWAHAHAHA!

[gijoe1313]

............ :rolleyes:

[EJK]

************ :rolleyes:

[imdying]

if we have a KB Member down and there is anything we can do to help we are here. That is on of the good points of this community.

Random posts for every person who die on NZ's roads ARE irritating. Without details it's not a learning exxperience.Am I the only one that sees the logic in this?

[Mom]

Am I the only one that sees the logic in this?

In a word NO.

[Nasty]

There's only two opinions.

1. Stop wasting time posting threads about people you don't know.

2. All the people who subscribe to point 1 are cunts.

Thanks for letting me know where I stand in your opinions on the 'options' Jim, its nice to have it spelt out so clearly.

[James Deuce]

Thanks for letting me know where I stand in your opinions on the 'options' Jim, its nice to have it spelt out so clearly.

You obviously haven't read any of the posts I've made. I subscribe to point 1. I have been told in no uncertain terms that I am the person indicated in Point 2.

Get it now?

[Nasty]

You obviously haven't read any of the posts I've made. I subscribe to point 1. I have been told in no uncertain terms that I am the person indicated in Point 2.

Get it now?

yeah ... I am slow .. too busy working on an RFP ... opps ... will wake up soon!

[James Deuce]

I'm sorry for misleading people with that post. I was trying to point out that I'm arguing from the basis of expounding my opinion. I'm not getting opinions back, I'm getting accusations and insults.

[Cache Wraith]

Well, you knew I'd be long to give my two cents worth at some stage.:msn-wink:

The endless posts (by people who never knew the motorcyclist in question) saying nothing more than "rip" or "............." are placed there by people who are desperate to buy into the whole "brotherhood" bullshit and think they'll be accepted if they mindlessly recite the Biker Down Mantra.

Personally, I find that attitude disrespectful.

Your post tells me you understand very little about your fellow humans. Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

[Ixion]

I'm sorry for misleading people with that post. I was trying to point out that I'm arguing from the basis of expounding my opinion. I'm not getting opinions back, I'm getting accusations and insults.

Perhaps because people can't fathom why it is such a big deal to you? I can't , m'self.

If some biker I've never heard of is killed down country, I'm not going to crack on that i'm grief stricken.

But, none the less, I'm saddened by it. No doubt there are folk somewhere grieving for him or her. It would be a pretty sorry apology for a human being who couldn't realise that and find a scrap of pity for them.

And as a biker, I've come close enough to NastyShit myself to be able to imagine what it must have been like for him in those last few seconds, to have a guess at what would have raced through his mind. So there's an empathy there.

And although I didn't know the deceased, there may be someone here who did. Or know someone who did, to whom a mention that "Yes , there was a thread on a biker forum I belong to about the accident, lots of people through the country send their condolences" may be comforting.

If not, so what, what has it cost me? Or, you, for that matter ?

Look at it from another viewpoint.

You're on a ride, stop for gas. The guy behind the counter says "Oh, yeah, there was biker killed near here the other day. Very sad. Y'didn't know him I suppose?". And you reply "No, I didn't." Now, if the guy behind you piped up " Well you didn't know him and I didn't know him, so who gives a fuck about him, stop wasting time". What would you think of that guy? I'd think he was an ill-bred insensitive oaf. (And that's not intended to be allusory, I know you're not).

End of the day, such common place politenesses don't mean much. Here or anywhere else. But, like all politenesses they make society and life a bit more decent. No-one's forced to comment, so I can't see why those who don't want to get their panties in a bunch about it.

[Katman]

Your post tells me you understand very little about your fellow humans. Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

Spoken like a true 250 owner.:msn-wink:

[imdying]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.:msn-wink:

Courtesy, like empathy, is one of those traits that stops you getting your head kicked in... undervalue it at your peril.Someone said it better than me...

[jafar]

Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".


Spoken like a true 250 owner.:msn-wink:



This should be interesting :corn::corn:

[Maha]

Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that, Some Biker Down threads are passed on the to family of said biker (only when the biker did not survive i take it?) and more than likely read out at the Funeral..that is really cool, no question. Most of these threads are 'dots' and i cant for the life of me think that would make good reading, accept when the biker is known to some of us and then the heart felt stories come out. Tell ya mates how you feel about them while you can....words are louder than dots!
I will continue Not to post in such threads....my choice (as someone also pointed out earlier)....Mark

[Cache Wraith]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.:msn-wink:

Ahhhhh brilliant. Faced with a thought out response to your first post, you come up with this eloquent follow up. Your reasoning is enlightening. Maybe you were right all along.:rolleyes:

[T.W.R]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.:msn-wink:

Hollow words from an ignorant :tugger: :finger:

[Mom]

Ahhhhh brilliant. Faced with a thought out response to your first post, you come up with this eloquent follow up. Your reasoning is enlightening. Maybe you were right all along.:rolleyes:


Hollow words from an ignorant :tugger: :finger:

Hey guys....shhhhhhhhh

This is not a thread for non constructive debate, it is an adult discussion, and everyone is entitled to have their say. I dont agree with some of the posts on here, some I really want to challenge, I might yet. But there is no need to resort to insults that come by way of words, or uncalled for over-use of not so nice icons.

Thanks.

[Maha]

While i appreciate the views/words from those who have felt the pain of loosing loved ones to road accidents, and find a large amount of comfort in Kiwi Biker threads posted in memory of those that have died....i have found these quotes from a couple of Lads that were known to many.
The quotes dont make it a 'right or a wrong' thing, just the veiws of a couple good bastards that i never got the chance to meet.


err person Deano not people :mellow:

On a side note, my way of thinking is that the people that are important (not many, if any) to me will find out by me calling them or friends getting in touch, and for all the others that might give a toss about a wanker like me they'll find out in due time. Unless given premisson by the muppet who crashed, i dont think it's right to post it, like i said the people who need to know will find out.



My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

[Roki_nz]

What I do not understand (genuinely) is why people should think it offensive, or be so opposed to it. I can well understand those who say that it seems pointless and therefore they do not do it, I seldom do myself. But others are overtly hostile to the idea.

It does no harm, may do some good.

A while ago , when the four motorcyclists were killed by the Austrienne, a number of people, knowing that I ride, commented on the tragedy to me, with conventional comments of good will (" not friends of yours I hope, Very sad, terrible for the family " etc).

They did not know the motorcyclists, were not riders themselves, but , figuratively speaking raised their hats and bowed. I thought it seemly of them.

Would those who are strident about these postings have similarly berated them

I agree with that and the answer is NO. In real life I doubt those who are “strident about these postings”, would berate anyone showing sympathy. I have seen it only once or twice in real life that someone has complained about a show of sympathy.

Most people on forums find it easier to rubbish other peoples opinions and posts simply because they are dealing with a piece of text and more often than not they can not picture the person behind that text and how what they say will make a that person feel.

I have seen this behaviour from both sides in “Biker Down Threads” and almost every other thread. This tends to trash that threat and in my opinion it’s just plane rude to have these arguments in the “Biker Down Threads”.

As for my thoughts on “Biker Down Threads: Posting the news is fine but follow the forum rules and common sense about naming the downed rider for respect for the Rider and for their friends and family especially if it has been a fatal accident.

If someone makes a comment that causes offence send him or her a pm, be polite and ask him or her to remove the offensive comment. More often than not it’s an innocent mistake and not someone trying to cause any upset.

Just my thoughts you are free to differ. But please play nice

[Mystic13]

So it seems we have pretty much two clearly defined camps with good numbers.

It seems to me on that basis the biker down threads should stay.

Some people on here, open the thread, and then complain about the content. Would they be the same people that watch a TV news story that explicitly says "the content may be disturbing" and then complain to everyone that the content was disturbing.

I personally appreciate the threads for many of the reasons stated.

At this point you've had your say, you're unhappy, yes we get this. But there are a fair few that want this on here. On that basis... end of story. Find a way to deal with it and move on.

If there was little or no support for biker down threads just the odd person then I'd be saying the reverse.

I'm also getting a little tired of the drone from the people who don't like biker down threads. A biker down thread pops up and the drone starts and takes away from what the thread is about and because it's becoming fairly constant it's starting to become more than a little over the top.

You lot need to understand you've been heard and saying it over and over and over and over and over and over is not going to get you heard better, it's just going to piss people off.

So a KB member expresses their condolences and you think they're not being genuine, blah blah blah. We get it. Yeah I know there is more you want to say but I've heard it.

You've had your say. It's clear you've overstepped the mark in the biker down threads.

You complain about the content of the biker down threads. I have a complaint. You're constant drone is being disrespectful to the rider down and the thread. If you have a problem with the thread then create a thread like this and can you please stop the drone in a biker down thread.

Thanks.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

So it seems we have pretty much two clearly defined camps with good numbers.

It seems to me on that basis the biker down threads should stay.

Some people on here open the thread and then complain about the content. Would they be the same people that watch a TV news story that explicitly says "the content may be disturbing" and then complain to everyone that the content was disturbing.

I personally appreciate the threads for many of the reason stated.

At this point you've had your say, you're unhappy, yes we get this. But there are a faior few that want this on here. On that basis... end of story. Find a way to deal with it and move on.

If there was little or no support for biker down threads just the odd person then I'd be saying the reverse.

I'm also getting a little tired of the drone from the people who don't like biker down threads. A biker down thread pops up and the drone starts and takes away from what the thread is about and because it's becoming fairly constant it's starting to become more than a little over the top.

You lot need to understand you've been heard and saying it over and over and over and over and over and over is going to get you heard better it's just going to piss people off.

So a KB member expresses their condolences and you think they're not being genuine, blah blah blah. We get it. Yeah I know there is more you want to say but I've heard it.

You've had your say and it's clear you've overstepped the mark in the biker down threads.

You complain about the content of the biker down threads and I have a complaint. You're constant drone is being disrespectful to the rider down and the thread. If you have a problem with the thread then create a thread like this and can you please stop the drone in a biekr down thread.

Thanks.

Whole heartly agree with this post is very well said. Also as i have said don't go into them easy.

[fire eyes]

I have posted my condolences in KB as an acknowledgment. To the deceased who shares a common passion & to those left behind to deal with their loss.

My human-ness and compassion far extends beyond the people I know only on an intimate level. A persons life cycle ending regardless of circumstances deserves thought & acknowledgment be that by public forum or by silence.

If posting my condolences and acknowlegment to someone who has passed, wheather it be Kb or not, becomes offensive and deemed disrespectful, I will immediately refrain from posting as my intention is not to cause anymore heartache to the families and friends, than has already been experienced.

In my eyes, the tragedy will come when when we no longer care about the loss of anothers life and no longer acknowledge it, even by thought alone.

[Katman]

A persons life cycle ending regardless of circumstances deserves thought & acknowledgment be that by public forum or by silence.



What if that person was a fucking scumbag?

[fire eyes]

hmm good question, it's an acknowledgment of a persons life, not thier behavior or choices.

[Katman]

hmm good question, it's an acknowledgment of a persons life, not thier behavior or choices.

So you're happy to acknowledge a scumbag in a positive fashion?

[fire eyes]

So you're happy to acknowledge a scumbag in a positive fashion?

I am happy to acknowledge that the person was born and existed in the world we all have to co-exist in.

I am happy to acknowledge that they have family and possibly friends who may love them regardless of wheather they have done wrong and regardless of one persons opinion of them.

I am happy to acknowledge that the death process is a natural progression of life and applies to all of us.

Does this help you understand a little?

[MadDuck]

How about, those that do will, those that don't won't, and never the twain shall meet.

Agreed. Sometimes its best to agree to disagree.

Personally if I pass riding a motorcycle then so be it. But if people want to post about my death before friends have been notified then that would be pretty sucky but I am dead and it wont mean shit to me.

As I have only one family member alive I am pretty sure he would look at posts that simply :

..............

as pretty insulting.

[Ixion]

So you're happy to acknowledge a scumbag in a positive fashion?

Such customary condolences are intended for the living not the dead. The scumbag is now before a judge far wiser than I. I will leave judgement to Him.Judge not, least ye be judged.

But here, on earth, there are usually still folk that will mourn, even for a scumbag. My acknowledgment is for their grief. Would you march up to a grieving mother at her son's funeral and say "He was a scumbag, I'm glad he's dead " ?

[Katman]

Would you march up to a grieving mother at her son's funeral and say "He was a scumbag, I'm glad he's dead " ?

Probably not - I wouldn't attend his funeral.

[Ixion]

Presisely so. And, in like manner, on here you would not post in the thread , or even open it. But others will attend the funeral and may wish to offer formulary condolences. Why should they not?

Extending my analogy, you would not attend the funeral of the scumbag. But would you then forcibly restrain the scumbag's mother from attending his funeral. "No, he was a scumbag, I will not attend his funeral, and I shall prevent you from doing so either". I am sure you would not. But is that not what you are arguing for here? To prevent those for whom the extending of a message of sympathy, no matter how ill deserved , may be therapeutic or c onsoling, form doing so ?

[Katman]

I've only ever attended one funeral in my 44 years of life - my Dad's. (A couple I missed due to being overseas).

I intend to come back and haunt anyone who attends my funeral who isn't genuinely aggrieved by my passing.

[Ixion]

Not the point
'
You said that your response to a scumbag's death would be that you would not attend his funeral - not that you would attack those who did attend

Here, the comparable behaviour would be to ignore any condolence thread. But you extend that to condemning their existence and criticising those who 'attend' them.

Why do you not extend to cyberspace memorials the same courtesy that you extend to meat space one? That of ignoring them if you cannot approve of them ? And allowing those who find a purpose in them to 'attend' if they wish? You do not argue (I hope0 that because you do not consider scumbag worthy of your attendence at his funeral, he should not be allowed a funeral. So why may he not , likewise, be allowed a condolence thread. Which you may ignore.

[Hiflyer]

oh god now theres 3 threads!!! when will the horror end? hahahaha:jerry:

[Katman]

when will the horror end?

Good question.

(Don't quite see the humour in it though).

[Hiflyer]

Good question.

(Don't quite see the humour in it though).

no i mean these dumb threads about banning Biker down hreads, its worse than the waving threads really. IMO

[MadDuck]

no i mean these dumb threads about banning Biker down hreads, its worse than the waving threads really. IMO

If I had a hread I may agree....but never ever ever take away my entertainent of waving threads. I would be lost without them

[Hiflyer]

yea they are entertaining, this is just sad, someone dies so people get angry about people feeling sorry for the family.

if someone says that the send their condolances or whatever, then thats fine cos 90% of those posts are ral. not just waffle.

just cos someone feels sorry for the family doesnt mean sorry as in OMG im so mortified that i cant possibly function at all for the next 2 years, just that they do genuinly feel sorrow for their loss cos maybe theyve experienced loss in their lives, one way or another, be it from bikes or not.

just cos someone says sorry doesnt mean theyre gunna say it while ruining their keyboard with tears. . . .


oh and re-reading this, it kinda seems like its aimed at you MD but its not :niceone:

its for eeeeeveryone (that is getting real agry over nothing)

[Katman]

yea they are entertaining

How fucking sad is that?

[Hiflyer]

well its not aimed at you, i said. . .i just thought you mightve taken my rant the wrong way thinking it was directed at you which its not

[Hiflyer]

How fucking sad is that?

did you not get your cupcakes today katman?

or did the diddums-mobile decide to dump an extra large load of crap onto your bed.

haha i mean theyre entertaining cos of you and others taht are so easily wound up by nothing in particular

[Katman]

haha i mean theyre entertaining cos of you and others taht are so easily wound up by nothing in particular

Motorcyclists dying is nothing in particular?

:weird:

Braindead fuck.

[Hiflyer]

Motorcyclists dying is nothing in particular?

:weird:

Braindead fuck.

no actually :nono: motorcyclists dying is something in particular, something big infact! so it needs to be acknowledged, which is why these threads shouldnt be banned :clap: . . . .your contradicting yourself now . . .

[Katman]

your contradicting yourself now . . .

No I'm not.

Motorcyclists dying sickens me.

So does the fact that you find the reaction of those opposed to Biker Down threads entertaining.

[Hiflyer]

No I'm not.

Motorcyclists dying sickens me.

So does the fact that you find the reaction of those opposed to Biker Down threads entertaining.

no i said i find people getting intensly heated about the issue entertains me,

bikers dying needs recognition, and banning the threads isnt a very good idea really, if you don like the title of the thread which are usually pretty obvious, theres nothing forcing you to open the thread is there?

[Mystic13]

if you don like the title of the thread which are usually pretty obvious, theres nothing forcing you to open the thread is there?

No there isn't anything forcing them opening the thread.

What they want is to ban the threads so that the many riders that appreicate them, can't post in or read them, because "THEY" don't like them.

We're a fairly targeted group already and now we can't all ride on Muriwai Beach because another "THEY" don't like it.

Give me a break. It's like the "do gooder PC lot" that want to limit things because they don't want other people doing things they don't like.

There is already a feature to limit access to the threads for those that don't want to see them and it's called a "Mouse". Don't click the thing.

Come on folks, let it go. There is clearly enough support for the threads. I think you're well and truly flogging a dead horse. It's time to call the SPCA.

[Tank]

Your post tells me you understand very little about your fellow humans. Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

To show how much people care and have genuine concern for their following bikers - allow me to quote part of a post in this thread...




As this is a biker down thread..

May they forever keep the wind at their back ....

RIP fallen riders ........ you are never forgotten

Its not even a "biker down" thread - people are RIP'ing for no fucken reason whatsoever.

[Tank]

oh yeah I forgot


.............:weep:

[rachprice]

The recent death around the coro has made me think about a few things, it has made me think that could have been someone I love and care for and how awful it would be, it cruelly reminds me of my own mortality and of those I love.
I did not know the person in question but this incident has been on my mind and has affected me.
I think one of the reasons it has affected me, is seeing/reading how it has affected those that were there, it is never nice to see with your own eyes.

I think biker down threads can be a good way for people to vent, to deal with emotions that these awful events stir up. Some people are genuine in their feelings, others do seem to just jump on the bandwagon because they feel its what they should do

What makes me sad though, is that our society has become so desensitised and accustomed to death that it does not bother (some) people.
As a kid I thought it was cool to be not affected by death and acted like it meant nothing to me (ah how we mature!) but now....working in the profession I do, I think I have become a lot more aware and more affected by death, even though I am faced with it most days.

I am the first to admit that dying does scare me, I have way too many things I want to do and achieve in this life and we only get one! That isn't to say I will stop doing things that can be dangerous for fear of dying...you weigh up the good and the bad and decide what outweighs the other.

With respect to condolences for 'bad' people, nothing is black and white in this world, people are neither good nor bad, we are all capable of both to varying degrees.

I don't think that just because you have a wife/husband and children you should stop riding, there are plenty of things that are risky and could kill you that people do everyday. Maybe more apt to stop riding like a madman on the road (not that people should probably be doing it anyway) and hit a track?

Anyway....thats quite a few random rants, I think too much

[fergie]

I don't care what some people say i will continue to pass on my condolences to the families of fallen riders.That's what i would like to happen to me!

[James Deuce]

That's what i would like to happen to me!
I wouldn't.

It's not a black or white issue.

[snuffles]

I say if you dont like em dont read em.

I also say, that I agree, the last thing i want my wife seeing is a bunch of "five minutes of fame" wankers , saying how sorry they are that I fucked up and died.

Just let it go people, stop posting them and people will stop feebly responding because they feel they must get the 2 cents worth in.:argh:

[PrincessBandit]

Crikey, it wasn't until I looked at the first page of this thread and saw Steam's name that I realised how "old" it is.

I found Welsh Wizard's post interesting - that some of the biker down threads do get looked through by family and other close members as a type of "remembrance" thing, and find it consoling or comforting.

Only the person posting will truly know if they're a "faux grief" (good expression, that) poser feeling the need to join the bandwagon so to speak; and no one else is qualified to comment on what a particular dead rider meant to someone. Nor can we, without hearing it straight from the horses mouth, know for sure what these r.i.p. threads mean to the departed's family and friends.

Either way, we can choose to read / add to these threads or leave them alone.

p.s. I pretty much agree with Snuffles 2nd line in the post above mine.

[RantyDave]

I say if you dont like em dont read em.
That was covered in the first post.

For what it's worth, which is very little, I don't mind them at all. I feel there's no harm in being reminded that falling off and dying is not some nebulous concept but rather that it's something real, common and it's impact spreads much further than merely 'the fallen'.

Dave

[thecharmed01]

I'm fairly new to KB, but I thought that the fact there are people in this community that care enough about others (whether known to them or not) to post up a thread like that when they have been in a bad situation/fatal accident was something that appealed to me.

I can see the sides of the people who argue it breeds trolls who post RIP with no feeling, but then I also wonder, how do you know that the people posting are doing it without basis when you cant see them and you dont know why or how they feel when they post. Maybe they just are unable to word a reply that says how they feel, or they are embarrassed by their feelings, or even just offering their condolences, to help the family see that their loved one is important to someone out there in the world!

I have an extremely large family, who have had many funerals through my youth and adulthood and I find it fascinating that people condemn others for merely posting RIP when I cant even count the number of times, at a funeral or memorial service, I have seen otherwise eloquent speakers completely lost for words and unable to say much other than 'may they rest in peace' before stepping down.
Even at funerals of distant family, I was expected to go, yet I didnt know the person overly well - not well enough to even recognise them on the street, yet I still felt sad that they had passed. Not because I knew them, but because in their passing, they leave behind such a wake of pain for the people who loved and cared for them, and will miss them every day.

I look at biker down threads in the same way.
That was a person, who although I may not have known them, they shared a common interest to me - motorbikes.
Whether I knew them personally or not, I will always feel a connection which reminds me of my own (and my family & friends) mortality, and the suffering that their family and close friends will go through because of them passing - particularly if they passed due to a motorbike related incident.

I have little concern to how any person lived their life, if they pass young then that is a tragedy no matter what as you never will know whether given time, they could have made something worthwhile of themselves, even if they were a 'scumbag' as someone earlier so politely put it.
Even a 'scumbag' has a family who may or may not have seen that side of them so will miss them and be devastated by losing them. It's them that condolences are for... not the 'scumbag'.

This is a forum full of adults, is it really so hard to not click on the thread if you dont want to view it?

Just my 2c.....

[WelshWizard]

I'm fairly new to KB, but I thought that the fact there are people in this community that care enough about others (whether known to them or not) to post up a thread like that when they have been in a bad situation/fatal accident was something that appealed to me.

I can see the sides of the people who argue it breeds trolls who post RIP with no feeling, but then I also wonder, how do you know that the people posting are doing it without basis when you cant see them and you dont know why or how they feel when they post. Maybe they just are unable to word a reply that says how they feel, or they are embarrassed by their feelings, or even just offering their condolences, to help the family see that their loved one is important to someone out there in the world!

I have an extremely large family, who have had many funerals through my youth and adulthood and I find it fascinating that people condemn others for merely posting RIP when I cant even count the number of times, at a funeral or memorial service, I have seen otherwise eloquent speakers completely lost for words and unable to say much other than 'may they rest in peace' before stepping down.
Even at funerals of distant family, I was expected to go, yet I didnt know the person overly well - not well enough to even recognise them on the street, yet I still felt sad that they had passed. Not because I knew them, but because in their passing, they leave behind such a wake of pain for the people who loved and cared for them, and will miss them every day.

I look at biker down threads in the same way.
That was a person, who although I may not have known them, they shared a common interest to me - motorbikes.
Whether I knew them personally or not, I will always feel a connection which reminds me of my own (and my family & friends) mortality, and the suffering that their family and close friends will go through because of them passing - particularly if they passed due to a motorbike related incident.

I have little concern to how any person lived their life, if they pass young then that is a tragedy no matter what as you never will know whether given time, they could have made something worthwhile of themselves, even if they were a 'scumbag' as someone earlier so politely put it.
Even a 'scumbag' has a family who may or may not have seen that side of them so will miss them and be devastated by losing them. It's them that condolences are for... not the 'scumbag'.

This is a forum full of adults, is it really so hard to not click on the thread if you dont want to view it?

Just my 2c.....

Well put forward

[Katman]

even if they were a 'scumbag' as someone earlier so politely put it.


You'll get used to me.

:whistle:

[Korumba]

Well put forward


I second that, very much more than 2cents worth. Thank you thecharmed01

[sunhuntin]

I second that, very much more than 2cents worth. Thank you thecharmed01

i will 3rd that... a very eloquent post. well done. :yes:

[thecharmed01]

i will 3rd that... a very eloquent post. well done. :yes:

Just how I feel..... but thanks ;)

[Mom]

You'll get used to me.

:whistle:

You think? :sunny:

Wow, it is funny to see this back up on here again.

[Tink]

The recent death around the coro has made me think about a few things, it has made me think that could have been someone I love and care for and how awful it would be, it cruelly reminds me of my own mortality and of those I love.
I did not know the person in question but this incident has been on my mind and has affected me.
I think one of the reasons it has affected me, is seeing/reading how it has affected those that were there, it is never nice to see with your own eyes.

I think biker down threads can be a good way for people to vent, to deal with emotions that these awful events stir up. Some people are genuine in their feelings, others do seem to just jump on the bandwagon because they feel its what they should do

What makes me sad though, is that our society has become so desensitised and accustomed to death that it does not bother (some) people.
As a kid I thought it was cool to be not affected by death and acted like it meant nothing to me (ah how we mature!) but now....working in the profession I do, I think I have become a lot more aware and more affected by death, even though I am faced with it most days.

I am the first to admit that dying does scare me, I have way too many things I want to do and achieve in this life and we only get one! That isn't to say I will stop doing things that can be dangerous for fear of dying...you weigh up the good and the bad and decide what outweighs the other.

With respect to condolences for 'bad' people, nothing is black and white in this world, people are neither good nor bad, we are all capable of both to varying degrees.

I don't think that just because you have a wife/husband and children you should stop riding, there are plenty of things that are risky and could kill you that people do everyday. Maybe more apt to stop riding like a madman on the road (not that people should probably be doing it anyway) and hit a track?

Anyway....thats quite a few random rants, I think too much

Good words!


I second that, very much more than 2cents worth. Thank you thecharmed01

Faith is in believing .. you take risks in any sport or profession... 2 cents is just a minor, I have learnt that kiwis are very smart people.. after living many years in america & europe... sadness happens everywhere... learn and live but I agree third that.

[CookMySock]

I reckon the Rider Down threads are just morbid too, have no useful purpose.They have made me think again and again. The most recent one has been horribly graphic, and it makes me think carefully about what my responsibilities are. I show them to people I am teaching and let them see what the real consequences are, and that there is a dark side to this motocycling bizo. It makes it very clear to them that they must be able to think, steer, and brake, and cope with brain lock, and that things do happen outside their control.

So they are useful to me and people I love.

Steve

[howdamnhard]

I'm fairly new to KB, but I thought that the fact there are people in this community that care enough about others (whether known to them or not) to post up a thread like that when they have been in a bad situation/fatal accident was something that appealed to me.

I can see the sides of the people who argue it breeds trolls who post RIP with no feeling, but then I also wonder, how do you know that the people posting are doing it without basis when you cant see them and you dont know why or how they feel when they post. Maybe they just are unable to word a reply that says how they feel, or they are embarrassed by their feelings, or even just offering their condolences, to help the family see that their loved one is important to someone out there in the world!

I have an extremely large family, who have had many funerals through my youth and adulthood and I find it fascinating that people condemn others for merely posting RIP when I cant even count the number of times, at a funeral or memorial service, I have seen otherwise eloquent speakers completely lost for words and unable to say much other than 'may they rest in peace' before stepping down.
Even at funerals of distant family, I was expected to go, yet I didnt know the person overly well - not well enough to even recognise them on the street, yet I still felt sad that they had passed. Not because I knew them, but because in their passing, they leave behind such a wake of pain for the people who loved and cared for them, and will miss them every day.

I look at biker down threads in the same way.
That was a person, who although I may not have known them, they shared a common interest to me - motorbikes.
Whether I knew them personally or not, I will always feel a connection which reminds me of my own (and my family & friends) mortality, and the suffering that their family and close friends will go through because of them passing - particularly if they passed due to a motorbike related incident.

I have little concern to how any person lived their life, if they pass young then that is a tragedy no matter what as you never will know whether given time, they could have made something worthwhile of themselves, even if they were a 'scumbag' as someone earlier so politely put it.
Even a 'scumbag' has a family who may or may not have seen that side of them so will miss them and be devastated by losing them. It's them that condolences are for... not the 'scumbag'.

This is a forum full of adults, is it really so hard to not click on the thread if you dont want to view it?

Just my 2c.....

Well said,you show a lot of insight.

[Katman]

Lets not forget that there were many different facets to the dislike of these threads.

They are now treated in a different manner thanks to the site organisers but once upon a time it seemed like some sort of obscene race to be the first to post the biker down thread. Quite often no information was known and it resulted in countless people worried sick until they had managed to account for those that they knew were out on their bikes.

[snuffles]

I'm fairly new to KB, but I thought that the fact there are people in this community that care enough about others (whether known to them or not) to post up a thread like that when they have been in a bad situation/fatal accident was something that appealed to me.

I can see the sides of the people who argue it breeds trolls who post RIP with no feeling, but then I also wonder, how do you know that the people posting are doing it without basis when you cant see them and you dont know why or how they feel when they post. Maybe they just are unable to word a reply that says how they feel, or they are embarrassed by their feelings, or even just offering their condolences, to help the family see that their loved one is important to someone out there in the world!

I have an extremely large family, who have had many funerals through my youth and adulthood and I find it fascinating that people condemn others for merely posting RIP when I cant even count the number of times, at a funeral or memorial service, I have seen otherwise eloquent speakers completely lost for words and unable to say much other than 'may they rest in peace' before stepping down.
Even at funerals of distant family, I was expected to go, yet I didnt know the person overly well - not well enough to even recognise them on the street, yet I still felt sad that they had passed. Not because I knew them, but because in their passing, they leave behind such a wake of pain for the people who loved and cared for them, and will miss them every day.

I look at biker down threads in the same way.
That was a person, who although I may not have known them, they shared a common interest to me - motorbikes.
Whether I knew them personally or not, I will always feel a connection which reminds me of my own (and my family & friends) mortality, and the suffering that their family and close friends will go through because of them passing - particularly if they passed due to a motorbike related incident.

I have little concern to how any person lived their life, if they pass young then that is a tragedy no matter what as you never will know whether given time, they could have made something worthwhile of themselves, even if they were a 'scumbag' as someone earlier so politely put it.
Even a 'scumbag' has a family who may or may not have seen that side of them so will miss them and be devastated by losing them. It's them that condolences are for... not the 'scumbag'.

This is a forum full of adults, is it really so hard to not click on the thread if you dont want to view it?

Just my 2c.....

Harden up poofter

[PrincessBandit]

Harden up poofter

Said in such a caring sharing way....? What, no :msn-wink: Bad boy :spanking:

(yes, and I did read your signature)

[Katman]

(yes, and I did read your signature)

No-one ever reads those, do they?

:msn-wink:

[Maha]

What a bunch of self-righteous pragmatic bullshit going on in the lastest of these 'undersirable' threads. No wonder only a select few have the uncontrollable urge to contribute to the 'Im right and you are wrong' threads.
Switch off and go have a lay down, its appalling to see.

[Katman]

What a bunch of self-righteous pragmatic bullshit going on in the lastest of these 'undersirable' threads. No wonder only a select few have the uncontrollable urge to contribute to the 'Im right and you are wrong' threads.


It's a sad fact that the mirror that is held up to many a motorcyclist's face is one that they find highly distasteful.

[Maha]

It's a sad fact that the mirror that is held up to many a motorcyclist's face is one that they find highly distasteful.

True that....
And the very reason why I wont/dont post in those threads.
I will read through them, but that only cements my stand on the matter.

[Drew]

Jesus titties fucking christ. Thread dredge much.

[Maha]

Jesus titties fucking christ. Thread dredge much.

Not much of a dredge Drew, last post was the end of June this year, I had to post in here, the law disallows me to post in the squabble threads.

[caseye]

If my firend, colleague died while riding his/her bike, I'd feel entitled to post a thread to his/her memory and I'd welcome any KB'ers input but to that post.But to post an R.I.P for someone I don;'t know who died under unknown circumstances for what ever reason simply because they were riding a motorcycle doesn't get the green light.
A dedicated thread advising of KB'ers involved in an accident, their condition, their contact details and their families wishes being adhered to would fly for me, but this continual need to further sensationalsie/note another riders demise sickens me.

[Drew]

Not much of a dredge Drew, last post was the end of June this year, I had to post in here, the law disallows me to post in the squabble threads.Oops, my bad. I thought I'd read that the post dates were '08.

As you were.


I'M WRONG!

[Kickaha]

I'M WRONG!

As you so often are :bleh:

[boomer]

As you so often are :bleh:


You're Wrong!

[Kickaha]

You're Wrong!

I thought it was "your wrong"?

[boomer]

I thought it was "your wrong"?

Mixing it up.. keepin it real

[Maha]

If my firend, colleague died while riding his/her bike, I'd feel entitled to post a thread to his/her memory and I'd welcome any KB'ers input but to that post.But to post an R.I.P for someone I don;'t know who died under unknown circumstances for what ever reason simply because they were riding a motorcycle doesn't get the green light.
A dedicated thread advising of KB'ers involved in an accident, their condition, their contact details and their families wishes being adhered to would fly for me, but this continual need to further sensationalsie/note another riders demise sickens me.


100% agree caseye.
What was going on yesterday was appalling, personal attacks etc. The guy is alive, in a bad way but alive, who really gives a shit about the hows/whys/what ifs, where the accident occured? thats not up to anyone on here to decipher surely.

[Mom]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?

[quickbuck]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?

Agree 100% with this...
The poster would be better to say absolutely nothing at all!

[yungatart]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?

No, its not!
DAMHIK

[scumdog]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?

In the words of Homer Simpson: "It's always funny when it's somebody we don't know gets hurt."

What I'm trying to say is; there is a mere shrug of the shoulders when it's somebody we don't know that gets killed - but a torrent of OMG, How Tragic etc when it IS someone known.

THAT is the difference I guess.

[Owl]

I thought it was "your wrong"?

Your right!:D

[Headbanger]

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?

It makes a huge difference, the difference between real honest to god pain and a general feeling of unease over an event.

However I agree its better off left unsaid.

Salute to the fallen, You fuckin idiots.Beers in Valhalla.:Punk:

[Ixion]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?


I am sure you would be devastated if your own child died. Rightly and naturally so.

Yet a child died today in Bangladesh, and you (nor I neither) feel any grief.

That is the difference.

Tragedy naturally cuts deeper the closer to home it falls.

[Drew]

One thing that I find hard to get my head around is the posts that crop up when a biker down thread is started saying "I hope it is not someone we know".

Like that makes a difference. It is ok if the biker down is not someone we know?


Agree 100% with this...
The poster would be better to say absolutely nothing at all!


No, its not!
DAMHIK

Perhaps you guys should become Mormons. They base their entire faith on guilt.

Is it bad to feel relieved that it turns out not to be a loved one, that has fallen? No, it's human nature.

[u4ea]

I am trying to find some info on the rider who was killed in Hawkes Bay yesterday if someone could PM me please?? I dont want to be insensitive , just trying to find out more info than whats in Stuff..or arent I allowed under Moms rules??

RIP fallen Rider

[Maha]

I am trying to find some info on the rider who was killed in Hawkes Bay yesterday if someone could PM me please?? I dont want to be insensitive , just trying to find out more info than whats in Stuff..or arent I allowed under Moms rules??

RIP fallen Rider

There is YouTube footage on here of an accident in Hawkes Bay (Middle Road, you dont see the downed biker) but fucken unbeleivable what the rest of bunch do when they come across the scene, they turn around and fuck off!

[thecharmed01]

There is YouTube footage on here of an accident in Hawkes Bay (Middle Road, you dont see the downed biker) but fucken unbeleivable what the rest of bunch do when they come across the scene, they turn around and fuck off!

Wow, that's pretty awful!
Some people dont react so well when they see something like that though. Hopefully they feel pretty stink about not stopping now!
I always stop because I hope that someone will stop for me if I need it - although on Sunday in Foxton more than 10 riders passed me by when I came off and the only person who stopped to see if I was okay was the other girl in our group who just happened to be not too far behind me.
It happens..... I'm just glad I was able to keep riding (albeit very gingerly) and get myself out of the forest.
:Oops:

[Owl]

There is YouTube footage on here of an accident in Hawkes Bay (Middle Road, you dont see the downed biker) but fucken unbeleivable what the rest of bunch do when they come across the scene, they turn around and fuck off!

I wondered if they'd had a little too much to drink at the Patangata and didn't want to hang around for the police. I couldn't imagine fucking off because you don't like accident scenes. No one likes them!:no:

[BigG]

There is YouTube footage on here of an accident in Hawkes Bay (Middle Road, you dont see the downed biker) but fucken unbeleivable what the rest of bunch do when they come across the scene, they turn around and fuck off! Yer Mate you got to understand what happened before you make comments like that, we were talking to the dudes in the Patangata before and we arrived at the scene shortly after the accident, we were told to turn around and go back by the police and were not allowed any whare near the scene as there had been a fatality so an appology would be nice. You got to no what happened then you can make comments like that. We would be the first to lend a hand I no cos I bin there done that.

[Maha]

Yer Mate you got to understand what happened before you make comments like that, we were talking to the dudes in the Patangata before and we arrived at the scene shortly after the accident, we were told to turn around and go back by the police and were not allowed any whare near the scene as there had been a fatality so an appology would be nice. You got to no what happened then you can make comments like that. We would be the first to lend a hand I no cos I bin there done that.

I was making a point (albeit very subtle) of how the typed word and even footage can be viewed so wrong. What I said is a prime example of how biker threads tend to go. The point I was making though was, even given hard evidence, you can still get it wrong with what you post, so always best to shut the fuck up on biker down threads. Well thats the way I see it anyway.

When I first saw the footage, my first thought was ' yeah yeah they've had a few beers, the cops will crawling all over the scene soon enough, lets get the fuck out of here.
I re-watched it, my only change of thought was, 'perhaps they weren't with the downed rider? and I would turn around also, given those circumstances'.

No I will not apologies for what I said, I know what happened, the guys name, his age, how many kids, what bike he was riding, what the police beleive the cause of accident was etc. I Got a very nice pm for one of your own that told me all that, and more.

And this is why biker down threads piss me off.

[BigG]

I was making a point (albeit very subtle) of how the typed word and even footage can be viewed so wrong. What I said is a prime example of how biker threads tend to go.

When I first saw the footage, my first thought was ' yeah yeah they've had a few beers, the cops will crawling all over the scene soon enough, lets get the fuck out of here.
I re-watched it, my only change of thought was, 'perhaps they weren't with the downed rider? and I would turn around also given those circumstances'.

No I will not apologies for what I said, I know what happened, the guys name, his age, how many kids, what bike he was riding, what the police beleive the cause of accident was etc. I Got a very nice pm for one of your own that told me all that, and more.

And this is why biker down threads piss me off. Well it seems to me that you got a knee jerk reaction and need to learn to keep emotions in check. Video's are edited and lots of stuff is taken out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUQPT0LiBI