A1GP v Boeing... [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

bugjuice

7th January 2008, 18:56

who will win?!

dunno.. but if you're bored, then go watch it at Auckland Airport at 9.30am tomorrow (8/1/08) and watch the A1 car get his ass handed to him by a 100 ton jet.. Should be a good race tho.
I'm gutted I can't make it.. don't think.. :no:

marty

7th January 2008, 19:07

Considering (and I'm sure Terbang will enlighten here) V1 in the 777 would be around 130kts, rotate around 150, using a good 1.5km of runway to acheive 150kts, I'd say the car will win.

disclaimer: i've just guessed the numbers - looking for performance details now :)

White trash

7th January 2008, 19:31

Fuckin A!!! That's where I work.

Long smoko for trash tomorrow boss :D

marty

7th January 2008, 19:34

Where do you work? At the airport? You're not one of those guys with the flash orange torches are ya?

The whole airport will be shut down for the 15 minutes it will take. No one will be working :)

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bugjuice

7th January 2008, 19:43

huh.. the news said am, not pm

wouldn't have thought it'd be pm, cos then it'd be dark

madandy

7th January 2008, 19:44

The car will clean the jet up & hand its ass to it.
They do this kinda shit on Topgear from time to time and cars slower than A1GP racers consistently whip the asses of planes quicker than 100ton Boeing passenger jets from a standing start to the end of a runway.

cowpoos

7th January 2008, 19:44

the car will own the plane...lol

bugjuice

7th January 2008, 19:47

see, I was thinking the car would win, any time.. but for some reason, I'm backing the plane this time.. now, if I was driving...
I'll take my bike along, and just line it up next to them, like we've just pulled up at the Queen Street traffic lights

marty

7th January 2008, 19:47

huh.. the news said am, not pm

wouldn't have thought it'd be pm, cos then it'd be dark

It's in UTC. Everything in aviation is in UTC.

White trash

7th January 2008, 19:49

Where do you work? At the airport? You're not one of those guys with the flash orange torches are ya?

Nah, a freight forwarders up the road. 20 seconds away.

White trash

7th January 2008, 19:50

It's in UTC. Everything in aviation is in UTC.
Rubbish. Everything in our warehouse is on Trash-time. That's if it bothers to be got done.

Dave-

7th January 2008, 19:55

speaking of A1GP, is it not the coolest formula since like....1952?

except how ferrari are going to start building the cars...

bugjuice

7th January 2008, 20:30

It's in UTC. Everything in aviation is in UTC.
:doh: i should know that..

Swoop

7th January 2008, 20:37

Hmmm...
Jet:
Is it empty? - Hope so!:blink:

Distance to travel???

Short distance = car.
Longer (say .75 runway length) the plane has a chance.

Gonna guess the cage though.

terbang

7th January 2008, 20:46

Yup he'll probably be rotating around the 140 odd mark which is around 260 Kays. Dunno much about the 777, however being a typical jet it will initially be slow to accelerate especialy if he's heavy (lots on board). I reckon the car will have him. If it were a Gulfstream though I wouldn't be so sure as they have a tremendous acceleration rate up to a rotation of around 160 knots (roughly 300kays). The ground roll on a Gulfstream at max weight is around 1300m. However that aircraft passing 1000 feet will have accelerated to 250 knots (460 Kays). If I were racing a car, I'd use reduced flap to get the maximum ground roll (I guess the flying bit doesn't count) and max rated thrust. The jet, in the 250 to 300 KPH area, will certainly be accelerating harder than the car, but it just may be too late.

bull

7th January 2008, 21:02

Speaking of A1GP - why isnt the idea of country versus country motorcycle racing being floated? im sure it would be just as big a hit.

Brett

7th January 2008, 21:48

I am gonna go for a ride and watch. Still on leave you see.

Hitcher

7th January 2008, 22:05

What's the basis of comparison? Auckland to Wellington? My money's on the Boeing.

onearmedbandit

8th January 2008, 07:47

Speaking of A1GP - why isnt the idea of country versus country motorcycle racing being floated? im sure it would be just as big a hit.

I'd love to agree, but motorcycle racing doesn't fare as well as car racing with the general public.

Flatcap

8th January 2008, 07:51

I'd love to agree, but motorcycle racing doesn't fare as well as car racing with the general public.

Wrap it up in some sort of 'reality' program and the eedjits will watch

vifferman

8th January 2008, 08:09

speaking of A1GP, is it not the coolest formula since like....1952?
It depends; have they got rid of that stupid "push to pass" feature that gives the engine maximum boost, but they're only allowed to used it x times per race?
Apart from that, yeah, they rock.

For cars.

vifferman

8th January 2008, 08:12

Dunno much about the 777, however being a typical jet it will initially be slow to accelerate especialy if he's heavy (lots on board).
Nup - no passengers or freight, and a light fuel load.
The pilot said on the news (as did the commonpotator) that the car would lead initially, then the jet would own it once it got moving.
It's all dependent on the weather, which means that if it rains/drizzles/fogs/snows it'll be all off.
So, it's all off.

On the gogglingbox, they also showed the previous item of A1GP exhibitionism, which was the A1GP car racing over the Harbour Bridge in the clip-on lanes. That must've been mind-bogglingly uncomfortable for the driver, as the road surface has these annoying hollows where each slab has sagged in the middle. It's irritating in a car or on a bike, so in a stiffly-sprung car with what? 2cm of suspension travel? it must've been really crap. For the few seconds the journey would've tooked.

skelstar

8th January 2008, 08:14

It's all dependent on the weather, which means that if it rains/drizzles/fogs/snows it'll be all off.
So, it's all off.
Ha, didn't they showed the F1 (Ferrari?) racing the Euro Fighter in the wet on the news?

bugjuice

8th January 2008, 08:17

it's raining.. so the plane will win..
which means i win.
which means i rock :bleh:

imdying

8th January 2008, 08:40

It depends; have they got rid of that stupid "push to pass" feature that gives the engine maximum boost, but they're only allowed to used it x times per race?
Apart from that, yeah, they rock.

For cars.Hey, that sounds kinda cool! Adds a little more strategy to the show :yes: (cause doesn't f1 need that, badly)

onearmedbandit

8th January 2008, 08:45

Yeah the boost button is a great idea. All the teams get it, so it's up to the driver when he/she feels it is best to use it. Better than winning a race in the pit lane any day of the week.

Tank

8th January 2008, 09:01

The plane will win - unless they have to turn around at the end of the runway and go back to the start!.

skelstar

8th January 2008, 09:12

In the F1 car vs Euro Fighter I think the EF won 2-1 ...

Sully60

8th January 2008, 09:29

In the F1 car vs Euro Fighter I think the EF won 2-1 ...

Helps when you have two afterburning jet engines and a power to weight ratio much better then 1 to 1 eh!

paturoa

8th January 2008, 09:56

Harold said it was 1 all out of 2 races

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10485746

madandy

8th January 2008, 12:06

The Boeing eventually reached a take-off of just under 270km p/h, with Reid's Black Beauty reaching nearly 300km p/h, racing past the Boeing just as it left the tarmac and took to the sky.

I actually expected the GP car to be quicker, not faster!

Number One

8th January 2008, 12:11

Was apparently a draw?! Friend who works at the airport flicked me this piccie.

skelstar

8th January 2008, 12:15

Lame video on Harold site, hope TV1/3 coverage better.

'Intense experience'? Surely an A1GP race is a bit more intense.

Hitcher

8th January 2008, 12:24

Was apparently a draw?! Friend who works at the airport flicked me this piccie.

If an L200 and a Pajero can keep up, they can't have been going that fast.

Number One

8th January 2008, 12:27

If an L200 and a Pajero can keep up, they can't have been going that fast.

Hee hee yeah! Obviously the piccie was of them getting ready rather than the 'money shot' - I shall :bash: her for poor shooting position...

Swoop

8th January 2008, 13:59

... the A1GP car racing over the Harbour Bridge in the clip-on lanes. That must've been mind-bogglingly uncomfortable for the driver, as the road surface has these annoying hollows where each slab has sagged in the middle. It's irritating in a car or on a bike, so in a stiffly-sprung car with what? 2cm of suspension travel? it must've been really crap. For the few seconds the journey would've tooked.
Interesting to notice the other day, that the bridge now wears lots more concrete median barriers on the approach and exit to the metalwork in the middle. All this weight has been placed on the join between the main structure and the clippons...

Guess we will be needing a new bridge sooner rather than later.

bugjuice

8th January 2008, 14:53

Interesting to notice the other day, that the bridge now wears lots more concrete median barriers on the approach and exit to the metalwork in the middle. All this weight has been placed on the join between the main structure and the clippons...

Guess we will be needing a new bridge sooner rather than later.
no, these aren't permanent, they were just put there for the work that was going on over the past few weeks, they'll be gone soon

on a side note, bout the 'hollows' on the clip-ons, I think the slabs were made flat, then put on the bridge, on an arc. Since they were flat, not slightly arced themselves, this makes that annoying bouncing thing goin on

99TLS

8th January 2008, 14:59

would have been a good opportunity to put up a bike aswell for comparison :2thumbsup

Dave-

8th January 2008, 17:45

It depends; have they got rid of that stupid "push to pass" feature that gives the engine maximum boost, but they're only allowed to used it x times per race?
Apart from that, yeah, they rock.

For cars.

no, what would they do that for?

it'll only work if you do it properly at the right time.

as imdying said it gives the race more strategy.

paturoa

8th January 2008, 17:57

tv3 have a clip.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/Video/A1GPReidandBoeingwin1raceeach/tabid/317/articleID/43082/cat/71/Default.aspx#video

The cage gave the plane a 12 sec head start in the first race and was about even. In the second it was hard to tell cos of the angle but the A1 ate it with about a 5 sec head start.