Satellite Speed Control

[Unit]

Did anyone see todays Herald? Front page. Ive just tried to search the Hearlds website for the same article but havent found it yet. I couldnt believe my eyes :eek5: The article stated that new technology was being viewed in Queensland that involves a satellite device that can be programmed to detect if vehicles are exceeding the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Further, technology also exists where the device can correct the vehicles speed to comply with the set limit. :bash: Bloody hell, I mean come on people, what if your in the middle of negotiating an accident and your taking evasive action, or you are on the edge holding a line that could not be taken if you button off :gob: and suddenly something else takes control of your speed. Apparently the NZ road safety people whoever they are are looking at, and considering this technology. I was wondering what ludicrous idea they would come up with next.
They are also talking about fitting vehicles of serial speed offenders with speed restricting/detecting technology as well.

[TOTO]

Did anyone see todays Herald? Front page. Ive just tried to search the Hearlds website for the same article but havent found it yet. I couldnt believe my eyes :eek5: The article stated that new technology was being viewed in Queensland that involves a satellite device that can be programmed to detect if vehicles are exceeding the speed limit for that particular stretch of road. Further, technology also exists where the device can correct the vehicles speed to comply with the set limit. :bash: Bloody hell, I mean come on people, what if your in the middle of negotiating an accident and your taking evasive action, or you are on the edge holding a line that could not be taken if you button off :gob: and suddenly something else takes control of your speed. Apparently the NZ road safety people whoever they are are looking at, and considering this technology. I was wondering what ludicrous idea they would come up with next.
They are also talking about fitting vehicles of serial speed offenders with speed restricting/detecting technology as well.


Not gonna happen. 99% of ppl in the country will be against. I think they may fit it on company cars etc, but private use vehicles seriously doubt it will happen. Interesting technology.

they should do one that detects drunk drivers from space and sends them an instant lighteneing, that will teach them.:ar15::drinknsin

[davereid]

Yeah saw it in the "Dominion". (Relax - you may be going mad, but this is NOT a symptom !")

Unlikely to become a reality, as the technology is not good enough. For example SH1 in Wellington City is 100km/hr, but is often within 50m of 50 km/hr zones. Mobile GPS would be very hard pressed to tell which road you were on.

Plus, in NZ the electronic tolling and speed control system is mostly already built. Transit would be unlikely to back a new horse now. Google Hyder Consulting. The network has already been built. About a year ago Hyder bragged about it on their website. As it was not even G'mint policy at the time, the page was pulled after a week or so, but its still in the Google cache, so can still be found.

[erix]

maybe just some rubbish internet news...
or if its true, greedy govt just found another way to rip people off, bit by bit...like they always do...

[MaxB]

I saw it in the Herald too. I did a bit of hunting around and found that everywhere this system was proposed it was shot down in flames. Too many lost votes.

Technically it is possible to have cameras recording in every room in every house in the country just to make sure we aren't up to anything. It will never happen here. A lot of developed nations have a national ID card but we spat the dummy just for having a photo on the driving licence.

[Coyote]

In a way, I would like to see all this limiting technology come into force. Black boxes recording our every move and such...


Then seeing the road toll the same as subsequent years :lol: (not really a laughing matter but you get what I mean surely).


Only problem with this though is they'll never admit to being wrong and the technology will remain since it's gathering more revenue than before.

[cold comfort]

It's all too silly for words. I think i'lll start selling tinfoil hats for the mind control to follow! Can you seriously see Joe Public coughing up for the cost of the fitting even assuming it actually "gets off the ground".

I already have mine tin foil hat... :D

[Ixion]

It's been trialled here and there and everywhere for at least 10 years. It sort of works, in an artificial test environment. But whenever they tried to put it into anything like a real world situation it went all pear shaped real fast.

F'instance, they had special test drivers running around using it . All good. The test driver would deliberately exceed the speed limit. The gizmo would shake a finger , tut-tut, and slow the vehicle down. usually by cutting fuel to the FI system. And the test driver, being a test driver , would go "good oh", and patiently wait until the vehicle slowed down below the limit . Whereupon, of course, the gizmo said "as you were" and turned the fuel on again, and the test driver gently accelerated up to the limit and carried on rejoicing. Wonderful, said the boffins

So then they tried it on some ordinary drivers. Under ordinary circumstances. Drivers exceed the limit, tut-tut goes the gizmo and shuts off the fuel. So, what do the drivers do? What any of us would do. "Uh, wah ? Wez me power gone ?" And put foot flat to floor to try to get it back. Meanwhile, car slows down. Drops below speed limit. Right-oh says the gizmo and turns the fuel back on. Driver still has his foot to floor, wondering what the shit is going on, and the motor suddenly roars back into life at full tit. You can see where this is going , can't you?

Insurance companies would love them, not.

[NighthawkNZ]

It's all too silly for words. I think i'lll start selling tinfoil hats for the mind control to follow! Can you seriously see Joe Public coughing up for the cost of the fitting even assuming it actually "gets off the ground".

I already have mine tin foil hat... :D


I already have my tin foil hat

I can see them controlling the vehical... they would loss revenue but issuing you a ticket I can see

[Coyote]

So then they tried it on some ordinary drivers. Under ordinary circumstances. Drivers exceed the limit, tut-tut goes the gizmo and shuts off the fuel. So, what do the drivers do? What any of us would do. "Uh, wah ? Wez me power gone ?" And put foot flat to floor to try to get it back. Meanwhile, car slows down. Drops below speed limit. Right-oh says the gizmo and turns the fuel back on. Driver still has his foot to floor, wondering what the shit is going on, and the motor suddenly roars back into life at full tit. You can see where this is going , can't you?
Why do they fuss around with such awkward systems? My VFR originally had a speed limiter set at 180. Cut power to the rear cylinders when in 6th gear. If they really wanted us all to obey, surely a limiter set at 100kph is feesable for new cars at least. But I guess there's no speed tickets over 100 with such a system...

[NighthawkNZ]

But I guess there's no speed tickets over 100 with such a system...

and no over taking of trucks that are doing the legal speed of 90kph unless you are on a real long passing lane which are far and few between

[Coyote]

and no over taking of trucks that are doing the legal speed of 90kph unless you are on a real long passing lane which are far and few between
Aren't they the only roads were are allowed to pass on anyway?

Makes sense when most of NZ's back roads wind through the farmland :rolleyes:

[Brett]

Yeah I saw that article. They will never fit it to my vehicles. I have freedoms and rights. They would have to catch me first.

[gunnyrob]

If they can track speeding vehicles, instead of shutting down engines, just expect a big fine come WOF time when they download all your speed data.:Police:

[riffer]

Aren't they the only roads were are allowed to pass on anyway?

According to our mate in the SLOWDN commodore, "If you need to exceed the speed limit in order to overtake, you didn't need to overtake in the first place."

*sigh*

[Sanx]

According to our mate in the SLOWDN commodore, "If you need to exceed the speed limit in order to overtake, you didn't need to overtake in the first place."

*sigh*

I genuinely don't do know who you're referring to, but whoever it is can't have an IQ much above that of an average tapeworm. What a complete cocksucker.

[Dargor]

The idea is shit. Speed is never the direct couse of a crash and people will override there system.

They are wasting more money thinking about this than it would save. Road death rates are acceptable. The money would be better spent on educating drivers.

[Unit]

Imagine trying this in somewhere like Russia, full of corruption in the first place, where they have 100 drivers per day killed on their roads.
I'd like to place my order for the tinfoil hat please, in tin colour of course

[swbarnett]

For example SH1 in Wellington City is 100km/hr, but is often within 50m of 50 km/hr zones. Mobile GPS would be very hard pressed to tell which road you were on.
And what about motorway overbridges? 100km/h and 50km/h on the same piece of road as viewed from above.

[swbarnett]

A lot of developed nations have a national ID card but we spat the dummy just for having a photo on the driving licence.
Trouble is that still became a reality. I really wonder how hard NZ would fight if the government actually tried to bring this system in.

[MSTRS]

..I did a bit of hunting around and found that everywhere this system was proposed it was shot down in flames...

Ah well that's it then. NZ will definitely get this system.

[Coyote]

According to our mate in the SLOWDN commodore, "If you need to exceed the speed limit in order to overtake, you didn't need to overtake in the first place."

*sigh*
Nice to know our taxes go into personalised plates

[NighthawkNZ]

Trouble is that still became a reality. I really wonder how hard NZ would fight if the government actually tried to bring this system in.

Thats just it most wouldn't...


If everyone drove at a 100kph, then no you would need to be overtaking any one...

but people don't, and then cars with trailers, buses, trucks etc are all suppose to be under that speed and can get frustating behind them, especially when you know a hill is coming

[mowgli]

Thats just it most wouldn't...

Apathetic bunch aren't we :oi-grr:

[cold comfort]

Under those circumstances i predict (at least in my case) a spot of civil disobedience to say the least:innocent:

[swbarnett]

Under those circumstances i predict (at least in my case) a spot of civil disobedience to say the least:innocent:
Glad to hear it.

The question is, would we get enough of this in the general population to make a difference?

[bell]

They are also talking about fitting vehicles of serial speed offenders with speed restricting/detecting technology as well.

Then the serial speed offenders should be the only ones 'concerned' about that. If you don't habitually speed at loss of licence figures then I doubt there'd be any need to be bothered by this.

[BigRod]

Then the serial speed offenders should be the only ones 'concerned' about that. If you don't habitually speed at loss of licence figures then I doubt there'd be any need to be bothered by this.

...oh no!

They *want* to bring this system in for all, the only thing stopping bringing in this sort of technology is the backlash for the politicians.

So they look for somewhere they can bring the technology in without the political repercussions, say with 'serial speed offenders', then when the technology is nice and proven they look at bringing it in as a registration / wof requirement to have one fitted. The politicians won't be as worried then as they can point to the success with the 'serial speeders' and justify to the lemmings. Takes a few years longer but they get what they want in the end; give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Rod

[kiwibryn]

Personally, I find that if I travel AT the limit, I get tailgated by Richard Cranium and his mates...

[Hailwood]

Of course being a Harley rider I want mine in chrome please but without the tassles......:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::msn-wink:

[Unit]

Personally, I find that if I travel AT the limit, I get tailgated by Richard Cranium and his mates...
Yes it just feels wrong when Im trundling along doing the legal limit and cars are overtaking me, when with one twist of the throttle I can be at warp speed. Ultimately they should simply bring out vehicles that can do no more than the legal speed limit. And better still, build highways and freeways specifically designated to people who what to speed.


Tin Hat Order Of course being a Harley rider I want mine in chrome please but without the tassles......:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::msn-wink:
Oh is tin not good enough for you? :doh:

[swbarnett]

Then the serial speed offenders should be the only ones 'concerned' about that. If you don't habitually speed at loss of licence figures then I doubt there'd be any need to be bothered by this.
When can I come around and set up a camera in your bedroom?

After all, you haven't got anything to hide have you?

Continuous surveillance of the entire population is just contrary to our basic human rights.

[EnzoYug]

GPS should be used to stop cars from crossing the centre line/changing lanes when another car is in that lane. steering control systems aren't impossible.

Then they could change the open-road limit to 300km/ph.

Everybody wins.

[bell]

When can I come around and set up a camera in your bedroom?

After all, you haven't got anything to hide have you?

Continuous surveillance of the entire population is just contrary to our basic human rights.

Pardon? Your analogy is somewhat ludicrous as the two 'actions' - a device on serial speeding offender and camera in my bedroom - are at quite different points on the spectrum.

Notwithstanding the fact that one might actually serve a valid purpose.

Go on, rebut that. I know you want to.

[davereid]

swbarnetts post was about the electronic observation of all we do, by government and government agencies.

Of course where you go, when you travel, and fast you go is merely a small part of that.

There will be some who say its great.

The government know every thing about you. What you watch on the telly and the internet. How much tobacco you buy, and how many rollie papers.

We can end crime. !

Letter box kicked over in the street ? check the GPS and facial recognition cameras to see who did it.

But, others prefer freedom.

Amongst other things, that means the right to privacy.

To have a door on my toilet if I wish, even though everyone knows what the toilet is for.

[Ixion]

Bear in mind, of course, that it is not just about speed control.
Consider. The government have a real time ability to know where you are and where you are going. And to stop you . Speed control obviously extends to zero speed.

So, the inevitable corollary is that such a device will extend to only being permitted to make government approved journies. Apply three weeks in advance , in triplicate, giving reasons why your journey is necessary.

[Dargor]

Bear in mind, of course, that it is not just about speed control.
Consider. The government have a real time ability to know where you are and where you are going. And to stop you . Speed control obviously extends to zero speed.

Computers make really shit cops, save the money used in developing this technology and get more cops. Same goes things like the CCTV cameras like in London. Sure it may help now and then but privacy vs one off situations when this tech is actually needed.

Actually thinking on that. If cops cant chase people properly because of high speed chase speed limits then they need this all the time, but there are better solution's.

[Dargor]

swbarnetts post was about the electronic observation of all we do, by government and government agencies.

Of course where you go, when you travel, and fast you go is merely a small part of that.

That doesnt mean those stats would be used properly.
They just wouldn't tell us, just like the number of speeding tickets per accident.

Now consider this:
Maybe 120 km/h by all argument and testing is just as "safe" as 100. But because subconsciously people know this they speed to 120. So evil government set speed limit to 100, and ticket everyone at 120.

[cold comfort]

sensors on road with GPS activated in car alarm when on the wrong side of road-now THERE would be a contribution to road safety

[davereid]

sensors on road with GPS activated in car alarm when on the wrong side of road-now THERE would be a contribution to road safety

I read in the paper that long distance truck drivers in Europe have been caught watching dvds while they drive - relying on the "rumble strips" to alaert them if they drift out of the correct lane.

[swbarnett]

Pardon? Your analogy is somewhat ludicrous as the two 'actions' - a device on serial speeding offender and camera in my bedroom - are at quite different points on the spectrum.
Yes, they are at different ends of the spectrum but if you allow one, the other is sure to follow.


Notwithstanding the fact that one might actually serve a valid purpose.
In other words: "The end justifies the means". Not withstanding that I don't think it would reduce the road toll anyway.


Go on, rebut that. I know you want to.
How could you tell?

Your original post led me to believe that you were one of the "If you've got nothing to hide, why are you worried?" fraternity. Any kind of automated control or monitoring is of dubious benefit in the long term. It only paves the way for the removal of more and more freedom until one day we wake up and we don't have any at all.

[swbarnett]

I read in the paper that long distance truck drivers in Europe have been caught watching dvds while they drive - relying on the "rumble strips" to alaert them if they drift out of the correct lane.
Yet another example of the human need for a certain level of risk. Airbags are the same. Anecdotal evidence has suggested that the slow road users (cyclists, pedestrians) are safer when being passed by a car that is not equipped with them as the driver is more concerned with the concenquences of a collision.

[BigRod]

Yet another example of the human need for a certain level of risk. Airbags are the same. Anecdotal evidence has suggested that the slow road users (cyclists, pedestrians) are safer when being passed by a car that is not equipped with them as the driver is more concerned with the concenquences of a collision.
Kinda makes me think of a *really good* road safety device - a spike fitted to the steering wheel. All of a sudden drivers would leave greater following distance (no tailgating) and pay more attention to progressive braking rather than digging the picks in. It would certainly focus attention on driving more safely!

Rod

[candor]

Think Dave Reid is right - its a done deal. And they're not saying Automatic number plate recognition Systems are being looked at, such as already operate on the UK motorways. This will severely cramp some "bad boys" style as according to a recent NZ Police study "criminals travel in cars" :drool:

[Ixion]

A small item in the Letter to the Editor page of Tuesday's Herald , from Harry Duynhoven says

"Your correspondant Tony Baylis says the Government was considering using spy-in-the-sky technology to curb speedsters. No such proposal has come across my desk, nor has the Government considered one"

[roogazza]

I don't read newspapers any more, apart from the odd crossword and the weather forcast(thats not even reliable )
I get a little overseas news on TV then switch over to something else.
Don't do it , it just messes with your head !
I made that promise to myself when I retired, fuck em ! I don't need it.

Believe all that doom and gloom and you may as well park the bike and be miserable. Gaz.