Wouldn't this rip yer undies?

[JimO]

a friend of my son went for his restricted today on a road legal xt 250 and after the test the instructer failed him because he thought his indicators werent bright enough, even though it had a vtnz wof that passed them as ok 2 months ago, needless to say the young feller is gutted so now i suppose he has to pay to resit it again.

[Nagash]

After the test? The instructor should look over the bike and it's indicators before the test but that is interesting.. I reckon there should be some sort of system to apply for appeal. I have no doubt that driving instructors fail young teenagers just because he thinks they're 'Boi Racerz' (which they usually are..)

I don't think I would of taken that one sitting down.. A call to the boss may be in order there I reckon.

[Matt_TG]

I'd challenge that - I thought they conducted a roadworthy test before the test, and could tell you then if it wasn't up to scratch. Why go through the whole process and then fail the lad? Madness.

I'd ask what the tester's credentials were to determine whether the indicators weren't bright enough? I wonder if he is registered to issue WOFs or needs to be?

[Trudes]

That doesn't sound right! He should look into that, I'm not sure they can fail you on something like that, if it was warranted and were actually working. (I'm no expert, but just doesn't sound like cricket to me)

[MSTRS]

Has the delightful smell of bullshit. The bike displayed a current WOF and Reg. That is all that should be of concern to the tester, who DOES NOT test and issue WOFs.

[R6_kid]

my sister got failed on her car restricted because the spoiler/wing on her car blocked the high brake light and restricted rear vision too much... thats what the tester said. It's a factory item that 80% of that car model have as an option, and as above, was recently passed for a WOF by AA - go figure.

[dino3310]

jimjim that just sux,get him to go and kick up a stink,that is just utter bullshit,the bike should have been checked over before the ride,who was sittng the test the rider or the bike?,the bike already passed its test 2 months ago,i'ld lay a complaint even write to the MOT,the dick head must be on commision or on an ego trip.

[JimO]

this lads dad is a senior sargent in the nz police so no doubt he will be looking into it, i have offered our 250 for him to resit it on and that got a vtnz wof yesterday

[dino3310]

a senior sargent that should get the bugga,hope he gets it sorted

[Matt_TG]

a senior sargent that should get the bugga,hope he gets it sorted

Let us know the outcome and where the test was taken so others know to avoid this knob. :niceone:

[jtzzr]

Maximum suckage, the dude must have been having a bad day or is just a total wanker:tugger::tugger:. Can`t wait to hear the outcome.

[Mike748]

That does sound bad! If it was a genuine issue they should never have sat the test, I'm sure they are supposed to inspect the bike for road legal condition before setting off. Sounds like one of those situations where they push the younger ones around possibly to benifit from additional revenue or to just feed an ego. I doubt they would get away with that with more seasoned customers.:argue:

[The Pastor]

i guess its one of those things you notice as you are following it down the road.

and dirt bike with road legal gear arnt always the best in terms of brightness.

[Ixion]

The testing officer has no legal capacity to do this. A tester cannot legally fail an applicant on the basis of the vehicle.

He is entitled to refuse to conduct the test if the vehicle is not roadworthy. But he certainly has no legal ability to withhold a pass after the test becaus eof a subjective judgement such as that.Once he makes the decision to embark on the test, that's it. Then it's just pass , or fail.

Appeal the decision

If you have difficulties, advise BRONZ and we will see what we can do

[R6_kid]

ring fair go



i want knacksted on TV again so i can throw shit at him (or the tv as it were)

[breakaway]

Complain about the fker. Damn power tripping c%ts.

A friend showed up without L-Plates, and managed to procure some within 5 minutes, but the instructor still failed him. My mate complained, and got his money back. If a fuck up like this can get a refund, then you can definitely get it.

[Insanity_rules]

Whoa that sux. Hope the kid gets some recourse.

[Winter]

This makes me angry.

We hear stories like this all too often. Something needs to be done about these testers! AA needs to up their standards, introduce more training, better appeals proceess, and clearer guidlines for their staff on what they can, and cannot do/say.

Tell that kid I'll pay for his resit if he needs. He should'nt be put out because of some wankstain tester having a bad day.

[avrflr]

Sounds like one of those testers that fail first time applicants every time. The boy obviously rode well and the tester had to make up some bullshit to justify failing him. There are a few decent testers out there. The rest really should be set on fire.

[NZsarge]

That doesn't sound right! He should look into that, I'm not sure they can fail you on something like that, if it was warranted and were actually working. (I'm no expert, but just doesn't sound like cricket to me)


Has the delightful smell of bullshit. The bike displayed a current WOF and Reg. That is all that should be of concern to the tester, who DOES NOT test and issue WOFs.

Can anyone here be surprised? I'm certainly not. The guy is a wanker pure and simple! I don't know if it's possible but if I was that young fulla i'd be reporting his arse so at the very least the afore mentioned wanker may.....may think a bit harder about being such a prick...err..I mean wanker, in the future.<_<

[MaxB]

Not sure about the AA but VTNZ take complaints very seriously. Make a formal complaint and keep booting it upstairs until the lads family get the answer they want.

If the examiner knowingly continued a test with a bike having faulty indicators then he has fucked up royally. They have to check the WOF is current BEFORE starting the test. His only out clause is if he says the vehicle has been modified from the warranted condition. If the kid takes the bike to a testing station and they say there is nothing wrong then this guy is in trouble.

[dino3310]

Appeal the decision

If you have difficulties, advise BRONZ and we will see what we can do

yeah:headbang: right on brother.:niceone:

[pritch]

I'm not sure but I suspect the examiners are paid on a piecework basis. If he fails an applicant he effectively doubles his fee.

It definitely seems his greed is obscuring his good judgement. There are, of course, people on KB who do know how all this is organised.

[homer]

Not sure about the AA but VTNZ take complaints very seriously. Make a formal complaint and keep booting it upstairs until the lads family get the answer they want.

If the examiner knowingly continued a test with a bike having faulty indicators then he has fucked up royally. They have to check the WOF is current BEFORE starting the test. His only out clause is if he says the vehicle has been modified from the warranted condition. If the kid takes the bike to a testing station and they say there is nothing wrong then this guy is in trouble.

Yep great idea
get stuck in to them
after all if its a warranted bike
its been fine till the tester and after the course was compleated

And there not elegable to say whats not wof standard .are they ?

[Drum]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip.

[Monsterbishi]

Sounds like 'evil company suckup bastard' revenue gathering to me, first thing Monday morning I'd be down there making them change their minds.

This is one of those situations where the tester is just wrong beyond belief, a moment to enjoy travelling in there knowing that you get to be irate and abusive for good reason, and smug afterwards as they cave to your demands!

Makes me want to ride down there and watch :-)

[Duc]

Is the "Fail" reason supplied in writing or is it a verbal.

If in writing - follow up and give some one hell

[Maffoo]

ring fair go



i want knacksted on TV again so i can throw shit at him (or the tv as it were)

yeah id be doing this too
my mrs only had to threaten someone with Fair Go & they buckled like spokes on a curb

[roadracingoldfart]

A driving tester may not pass judegment on a vehicles lighting standard unless he has first tested the lighting system with the correct LUX meter at an accredited WOF testing site (as long as he is qualified to do so) .
This meter is actually only used for a headlamp and the only regulation for an indicator i can find is the angle of view to which it must be seen by other road users.
As the reason was given that the light was not bright enough the tester has stepped very wide of his mandate and as was said in a previous post here "did he put the fail reason in writing" ?? If so then moan as much as you like as the rules have been broken and the tester is not in a very comfy position from here on in.
Dont get BRONZ involved but make sure all correspondance is in writing or its just hearsay. Use the internal complaints system and have a bit of fun with the prick. Then tell the papers or ring the talkback stations.

[Tank]

Having just done the test a couple of weeks ago - the rule is that the bike must be road worthy. If it is not then they cannot allow you to sit the test - this is not the same as a fail.

Regardless - probably just the tester doing his job - but Im sure that the kangaroo court of KB will hang the guy based on scant facts and that they think that the biker is 'always' in the right and everyone is out to get them.

[Macstar]

Are you sure you were told the whole truth? Maybe there was some damaged pride in failing the driving test for more legitimate reasons and the indicator (possible story) saved some face....?

[Nagash]

Regardless - probably just the tester doing his job - but Im sure that the kangaroo court of KB will hang the guy based on scant facts and that they think that the biker is 'always' in the right and everyone is out to get them.

But as previously mentioned, the instructor would of checked the bike BEFORE the test then failed him afterwards. Hence he has clearly without a biased doubt made a mistake, he is at fault. Either in the initial inspection or has an attitude problem.

[Chrislost]

a friend of my son went for his restricted today on a road legal xt 250 and after the test the instructer failed him because he thought his indicators werent bright enough, even though it had a vtnz wof that passed them as ok 2 months ago, needless to say the young feller is gutted so now i suppose he has to pay to resit it again.

i would have done what that guy in your avatar did.

guess its a good thing i have never failed a licence test.

[MaxB]

Are you sure you were told the whole truth? Maybe there was some damaged pride in failing the driving test for more legitimate reasons and the indicator (possible story) saved some face....?

That is why I suggested laying a complaint. Testing stations for example are well used to customer complaints. If the lad was saving face or covering up, the investigation would find that out.

[Squiggles]

The testing officer has no legal capacity to do this. A tester cannot legally fail an applicant on the basis of the vehicle.

Had a mate who ran into this with his car which had a warrant as of the day before, mate turned to the guy and asked what qualification he had to perform such an inspection. Needless to say he did the test and passed.

[JimO]

That is why I suggested laying a complaint. Testing stations for example are well used to customer complaints. If the lad was saving face or covering up, the investigation would find that out.

the boys dad is a senior sarge he wont be making up any face saving stories because he will know it will bite him in the arse i will get my boy to find out from him whats happening

[Maffoo]

Having just done the test a couple of weeks ago - the rule is that the bike must be road worthy. If it is not then they cannot allow you to sit the test - this is not the same as a fail.

Regardless - probably just the tester doing his job - but Im sure that the kangaroo court of KB will hang the guy based on scant facts and that they think that the biker is 'always' in the right and everyone is out to get them.

it isnt his job to judge the bike, only the quality of the rider

[vifferman]

it isnt his job to judge the bike, only the quality of the rider
It isn't his job to judge the quality of the rider, but to tick the little boxes on the sheet, and fail the applicant if at all possible.
I'm sure it's to do with quantity, not quality.

[Ixion]

It is actually impossible for many testers to judge the quality of the rider, because in many cases the tester does not have a bike licence and has no clue at all how to ride a bike. Extraordinary, but true. Every other class of licence , the tester must have a licence himself for the class he's testing. But not bikes. 'Cos of course EVERY cager is totally qualified to know good riding from bad.

[u4ea]

:corn::corn:This is a good thread..driving tester not qualified to test lights and didn't follow correct proceedures,boys dad a senior seargant in the police,KB kangaroo court in session....am looking forward to the outcome.

[Tank]

it isnt his job to judge the bike, only the quality of the rider

you are not quite correct there - all the forms, info sheets state very clearly that your bike will be inspected to ensure that it is road worthy.

If they believe its not then they are not allowed to test you.

OK - they may not be WOF inspectors, but they must have some legitimate right to test the bike.

[Tank]

But as previously mentioned, the instructor would of checked the bike BEFORE the test then failed him afterwards. Hence he has clearly without a biased doubt made a mistake, he is at fault. Either in the initial inspection or has an attitude problem.

If he tested the rider then - yep - he has agreed that the bike was safe to use for the test and cannot fail him for it.

So - Im thinking that the most logical reason is that the guy who took the test simply failed and has made up a lame excuse to save face.

[sweetp]

When I say my R test a couple of weeks ago the tester made me flash my indications and put on the break and that was it. I think the whole not bright enough thing is a crock, lay a complaint.

Good luck!