Moto Guzzi in 2008

[Ghost_Bullet]

Well just been looking about and I hear that the Breva 1100 is now for 08 being fitted with the 1200 engine, "The Breva gets a capacity hike for 2008 and is now known as the Moto Guzzi Breva 1200, getting an extra 10% power and an extra 16% torque, with similar colours to the Norge"

Looking forward to seeing the 8v on our shores, but the more I am thinkin about it, I am talkin myself out of puttin my leg over one. And maybe wait and see what comes about in 09 and 10.


Found a pdf copy of the 8v maintainence manual. Have not had the chance to get a good look at it yet, but it is full of pictures etc.

You can take a look at this book by going HERE (http://www.servicemotoguzzi.com/public/mo/download/bozzeGuzzi/Griso%208V-1200/Griso%208V%20-%201200%20-UK-%202007.pdf)

Also some one has got a 8v, and appears to have the perfect weather for getting out. (I do like the look of the drivetrain in black)

[Bren]

bloody ugly lookin tractor eh....gimme a John Deere anyday...as long as it's in JOHN DEERE GREEN!

[James Deuce]

Mate, at the risk of being laughed at by even Guzzi owners, I really like the look of the 940 Custom. Sad but true.

[laRIKin]

Mate, at the risk of being laughed at by even Guzzi owners, I really like the look of the 940 Custom. Sad but true.

Yes we seen the Bellagio and we, that is SDU and I liked it as well, pity it did not have the bigger motor.
If it had the bigger motor, who know's.

http://uk.motoguzzi.it/Nuovi_modelli/bellagio/ph_gallery.asp?modello=bellagio&pagina=gallery

[Ghost_Bullet]

Mate, at the risk of being laughed at by even Guzzi owners, I really like the look of the 940 Custom. Sad but true.

Seriousy, no laughing here, they are not a bad looker, the wire wheels are nice. They are almost like a lower cc new age jackal, but nothing like one:blink: (not quite the cruiser)
It is the price point that is a killer, for what ya get, others can give at a nicer price.:mad: Sure pretty much handbuilt, but unless you got a strong enuf passion to part with the cash, it aint gonna happen. Moto Guzzi NZ could well offset that by offering carrots. Interest free, accessories pacakages, free serviceing deals for 24months.

[James Deuce]

Haven't seen price. Please tell me it's comparable to a Sporster because that's what they're pitching it at.

[Ghost_Bullet]

Haven't seen price. Please tell me it's comparable to a Sporster because that's what they're pitching it at.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL LOL god damn..... :calm:



Dont think ya gonna get no change from 22K unless ya talk serious Turkey..
This dealer (http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/UsedItemDetails.aspx?N=4294966237+0&No=0&item=11486&sid=) even got the name outa square<_<

[James Deuce]

Idiots. They've pitched it at the 1200 Sportster, so it needs to be $17k or so.

Back to the Shiver or MT-01 then.

[ital916]

Hye, I don't know much about guzzi's but that first one up top looks real sexy. Just a question on the custom one below, anybody care to explain that intense looking swing-arm to a noob? It looks like a turbine housing lol

[James Deuce]

It has a drive shaft in it. No chains or belts on Guzzis.

[ital916]

Oh snap thats cool! What are the pros/cons of a driveshaft. The other manufacturers don't use them, so i'm guessing there is a big catch?

[dangerous]

Oh snap thats cool! What are the pros/cons of a driveshaft. The other manufacturers don't use them, so i'm guessing there is a big catch?

The new Guzzis have single sided swing arms, with the drive shaft in them.
My eara of Guzzi have the shaft on the inside of the arm exposed to the elements.

Shafts are awesome, next to no maintance quite smooth and no backlash... how ever they do drag a few HP to turn and can cause the bike to twist on take off and whelies:cool:

all the Jap makes have used shafts as do some of the euro built bikes.

[ital916]

Man they sound freaking cool, i will have to check out a guzzi in real life next time i'm in a bike store. Weight wise they would weigh a lot more than a chain/belt system wouldn't they. I'm guessing that all out power to weight ratio isn't a concern with the guzzi's riding styles i.e sportsterish.

[miSTa]

Looking forward to seeing the 8v on our shores, but the more I am thinkin about it, I am talkin myself out of puttin my leg over one. And maybe wait and see what comes about in 09 and 10.
You're not going to be happy till you've tried it though are you?

[Ghost_Bullet]

They do sound great, I had quite an envy for the ripper sound that dangerous had emiting from his pipes. (did I just say that out loud??) I always wanted to find somehting that gave a bit more noise, but looked good. I think I have found pretty much that with the Mistral, and I think lost a shit load of weight also.

The griso is a good 230 odd kg But rides pretty light.
It ya ceck out the Auzzi (http://www.motoguzzi.com.au/) site, or Italian (http://uk.motoguzzi.it/home.asp?lin=eng) official sites, you can see all the specs etc there.

With the new single sided swing arms there is a little backlash evident. Ya learn to control throttle to mostly eliminate that though.
The new 8Valve Griso, I reckon will be likely to coerse around 28-29k from ya wallet by my calculations. (would be great if I was so wrong though)

The great thing I find with the Griso, and others would be likely to aggree, is they are full of torque, which is plenty enough power to have fun with.

[Ghost_Bullet]

You're not going to be happy till you've tried it though are you?

You are dead right in saying that.... I would love to jump one... and be sold, and be able to justify to myself and Mrs Bullet to bite the Bullet.. (ouch that could hurt!!!?)

And ride outa store with one under my arse!!!!!:scooter:

[miSTa]

Mrs GB will be just fine I reckon, its you that's going to have the problem justifying the the extra cost. :yes: Good luck with that.

[klyong82]

Man they sound freaking cool, i will have to check out a guzzi in real life next time i'm in a bike store. Weight wise they would weigh a lot more than a chain/belt system wouldn't they. I'm guessing that all out power to weight ratio isn't a concern with the guzzi's riding styles i.e sportsterish.

If you met me earlier you would seen me riding a Breva 1100. Lovely bike...It was faster than a RF and ZX7R Ninja off the traffic lights. As for wheelie's kinda fun but dangerous too due to the shaft and been a heavy beast.

[Dodgyiti]

I just read a review of the 8V Grizzler. The dude said the extra herbies came in over 6000rpm, and was much like the 4V under that but with better fueling, that can't be bad as the stock Griso has a fluffy bit around 4-5.
Stay off it Q, too tempting...:love:

And I also saw the Balliwhatsit and thought 22K was about right for if you compare it to the Breva, I know which small block I would have..if I had to.

[dangerous]

I just read a review of the 8V Grizzler. The dude said the extra herbies came in over 6000rpm, and was much like the 4V under that but with better fueling, that can't be bad as the stock Griso has a fluffy bit around 4-5.
Stay off it Q, too tempting...:love:
what mag did you read up in?

[Dodgyiti]

TWO magazine, December edition. It is only a one page write up by Roland Brown, a guy with much experience, been around for eons.
I will see if I can scan and post it here next week for ya D.

[nudemetalz]

Cycle World are also giving the 8V Grizzzo a good write-up.
Might have to take one out for a burn if the chance becomes available.

[Jinx3d]

How do they handle, what with Honda and suzuki pulling out of the v twin market(?) we will all have to consider these italian marques our vee twin fix.

Very interested to hear how they rate for rideability and handling sharpness and stabilty as compared with other sport bikes.

imo, anything more than ~100 hp should have been put back into bottom end torque

:-)

[Ghost_Bullet]

Ha ha read the title..... oh the 8Valve.... mmmmm 8v :drool: I like.

I cannot say how they handle in comparison to others, as I have not realy riden others at all.
I would imagine that the 8V would e very similer to the stad griso, except more punch when ya hit that "line"
Given that this is my one and only bigger bike I have ever riden. It handles great. The griso has a little backlash with throttle on/off, but ya learn to smooth it out.

Wonderful, wonderful... There is just that "Sumthin" about em that sticks it's hook in ya solid.

[dangerous]

How do they handle, what with Honda and suzuki pulling out of the v twin market(?) we will all have to consider these italian marques our vee twin fix.

Very interested to hear how they rate for rideability and handling sharpness and stabilty as compared with other sport bikes.

imo, anything more than ~100 hp should have been put back into bottom end torque

:-)

For a start the Guzzi is a sports touer not a sports bike.
Guzzi have alwasy had awesome handling for what the bikes cosisted of, the Griso is the same an awesome handler.

[Dodgyiti]

As discussed.:beer:

[Ghost_Bullet]

As discussed.:beer:

Oh damn give us a pint!!! :first: The speed limit needs to be increased just for the 8v rather than trying to reduce it. The article does no good to the idea of just being happy with the old grizz.

The old grizz still remains a great piece of "Art" but Bigger, Stronger, Faster does appeal some.:mellow:

[doc]

Oh damn give us a pint!!! :first: The speed limit needs to be increased just for the 8v rather than trying to reduce it. The article does no good to the idea of just being happy with the old grizz.

The old grizz still remains a great piece of "Art" but Bigger, Stronger, Faster does appeal some.:mellow:

You've been drinking that 12% stuff again, this idea of SOHC will never catch on. Guzzie without pushrods . WTF

[dangerous]

You've been drinking that 12% stuff again, this idea of SOHC will never catch on. Guzzie without pushrods . WTF

they have been with out pusrods since 92 with the daytona engine :drool:

[owner]

Really I didnt know that

[dangerous]

Really I didnt know that

Ya not teasing me now are you... see the belt drive out the front?
Same engine came out in the Centauro.

[Dodgyiti]

Bigger, Stronger, Faster does appeal some.:mellow:

Yeah and the snap of multi valve power :2guns::drool:


Here is a good series of CAD pics inside the beastie:2thumbsup

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender/moto_guzzi_misc.htm#8_valve_1200cc_engine_images

[James Deuce]

You guys remember how much I liked the Breva 750ie?

I've got a serious woody for this. Looks like it may have the ground clearance the Breva could have done with.

<img src=http://thekneeslider.com/images/motoguzziv7.jpg>

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/07/moto-guzzi-v7-classic/

Oh dear, I think I might be even weirder than the average Guzzisti.

[nudemetalz]

No no Jim !!

That is one seriously tasty Guzzi...and the chick ain't bad either....

More....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCRAhxEVFM

[Ghost_Bullet]

Beutiful Nude'z When I first saw the bike last year, I thought it was a nice mix of old and new. And watching that clip re-inforces that fact nicely.

[Nade]

mmmmm guzzi's......one of my workmates has a californian. We call it the tractor....and constantly inform him that only girls or gays ride them. He is a bit of a cunt.....but he ain't a girl...no girl could be that ugly....lol:devil2:

[nudemetalz]

and I wonder if the Guzzi factory will do the right thing and make a Sport replica from the new V-7 Classic.
Come one,...they have to !!

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/?action=view&current=motoguzziv7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/motoguzziv7.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/?action=view&current=V720SPORT.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/V720SPORT.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/?action=view&current=Moto20Guzzi20V-720Sport20advert32.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/Moto20Guzzi20V-720Sport20advert32.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[gsp0702]

So is the V7 coming to NZ? If so how long do we have to wait and how much is it going to cost? I guess it'll be about the same as the Triumph Bonnevilles at $13-16k?

cheers

Andy J

[James Deuce]

Given what the Idiots are charging for the 940 Custom, I'd be surprised to see the V7 under $18-$19k. Which means they'll sell exactly none.

[AllanB]

Guzzi 8V review here

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=497

while there get your self a subscription - super cheap and the magazine arrives up to two months before they hit the shelf in NZ.

[nudemetalz]

Given what the Idiots are charging for the 940 Custom, I'd be surprised to see the V7 under $18-$19k. Which means they'll sell exactly none.


Dunno 'bout that, Jim.
The V7 Classic is a heck of a lot better looking than the 940.

[James Deuce]

Dunno 'bout that, Jim.
The V7 Classic is a heck of a lot better looking than the 940.

The Breva did not do well in NZ, and second hand they are difficult to sell.

The V7 is "only" a 750, and "only" 48HP. There won't be a bloke in NZ who would buy it at close to $20k when they could buy a fully faired sprotsbike instead.

The 940 is way over priced for a 1200 HD Sportster competitor, and the V7 will have to compete with the low end Bonneville. If they try and pitch it at Ducati Sport Classics they will get an absolute hiding.

If it's Bonne priced then they are on to something.

[Ghost_Bullet]

So is the V7 coming to NZ? If so how long do we have to wait and how much is it going to cost? I guess it'll be about the same as the Triumph Bonnevilles at $13-16k?

cheers

Andy J

Price??? mmm i would be thinking closer to the 18-19k... nice looking machine, if that was my market that is what I would be thinkin

[Ghost_Bullet]

Given what the Idiots are charging for the 940 Custom, I'd be surprised to see the V7 under $18-$19k. Which means they'll sell exactly none.
did not see your post, and you are right, I think the only way that this kind of retro bike along with the 940, they need to throw the carrots, as I have said, interest free type terms, free serviceing, just to draw the sale for a handbuilt piece of ART!!!!

[Ghost_Bullet]

At the end of the day,(when ever that is) I would much rather buy true retro this is nice... great little steed (http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=138609581)

[doc]

the sale for a handbuilt piece of ART!!!!

Protest lodged . There is only one italian motorcycle that is a "piece of art"

[Ghost_Bullet]

Protest lodged . There is only one italian motorcycle that is a "piece of art"


Cum'on ya can't go up and stating that, and not saying what it is that you deem ART, there is so much Italian trash out there!!!!! Spit it out already. I am gonna guess you are talking the Griso???? And if so, I know just waht you are talking about!!!!!:rockon:



:innocent:

[James Deuce]

Nah, he'll be talking about that plastic fantastic MV rubbish.

The most profound piece of motorcycling art out there is a battered Moto Guzzi V8, complete with battered rider, racing in a Classic meeting.

[gsp0702]

Well I dont see the point of even trying to sell it here then if your right :-

Guzzi V7 classic : 48 BHP, 18-19K.


Triumph Bonneville : 66BHP 14K

Thruxton : 69BHP 16k

As much as its a really good looking bike, justifying an additional 4-5K over its immediate competition is just barmy. That must explain wht their seems to be a lot of 06 model year Brevas still lurking around in dealers in NZ unsold then.

Its a shame love the Griso, 1200 sport and the V7 but not at that price, no way I could justify it.

[AllanB]

[QUOTE
Guzzi V7 classic : 48 BHP, 18-19K.

Triumph Bonneville : 66BHP 14K

Thruxton : 69BHP 16k

QUOTE]
All madness

Honda 919 Hornet - 108BHP 11k

Oh yeah bring it on :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Just quietly I do like the grisso - well apart from its massive muffler.

And I have said it before - I'd probably own a bonnie if the dam thing made at least 80BHP.

[James Deuce]

You've completely missed the point Allan.

[Ghost_Bullet]

But Hornet is like buying Budget cola, it works and tastes fine. Mass produced and a nice price.
The Guzzi though, is more like the glass bottled Royal Draft Cola, a bit on the expensive side, but has that class factor.

I guess it is all each to there own, and that is the thing that makes bikes and people fab!!!!!!:cool:
Bikes no matter what they are, are awesome, it is just a shame that money dictates what we buy over what we would really like:(

[AllanB]

You've completely missed the point Allan.


Now that is a classic quote from a wife after she spends $250 on a pair of jeans......


One other thing I have noticed is that the fit and finish on the 'mass produced' Japanese litre bikes is in most cases superior to the American and Italian bikes. The difference is apparently called 'character' and costs a lot more.

As stated I like the Grisso and Bonnie, they would just require someone dying and leaving me some dollars to purchase!

[doc]

Nah, he'll be talking about that plastic fantastic MV rubbish.

Wait till Finn finds this thread. It's Thermoplastic if you must know.

[QUOTE=Ghost_Bullet;1406042]Cum'on ya can't go up and stating that, and not saying what it is that you deem ART, there is so much Italian trash out there!!!!! Spit it out already.


Well OK the Guzzi is a sort of graffitti.

[xwhatsit]

I suppose I've been on KB long enough to clue the general population in to my biases and preferences.

That V7 is feckin' hot. 48hp from a push-rod 750, that has to be a very fun bike to ride. Big thumper-like torque curve, no doubt. If I had that sort of money, that would definitely be on my upgrade list for first 250+ bike.

No doubt somebody will customises one into a Sport replica (probably in Japan).