Innovations puncture repair kit

[SVboy]

So-I went into cycletreads and brought one of these, with the 3 small Co2 cannisters. Then somebody said-NO GOOD-you must have the BIG co2 cannisters if you wish to inflate an average sports bike tyre. SO-back to cycletreads, and said this. Lo and behold, Don grabbed 3 cannisters and squirted them into a [M109rear=huge!] tyre they were replacing. Verdict-no good! They took back the kit and are getting me the big cannister kit. This is excellent customer service, by the way.
Anyhow-2 questions-1, does anybody have any feedback if these kits are any good?[tried search, with little cohesive info resulting] & 2, because I ride a sprotsbike-the toolkit may have to come out for the punture repair kit to fit in. Would this be folly? Cheers

[Swoop]

I have bugger all space under the seat, but there is sufficient room for the factory toolkit AND the innovations kit. I had to take out one cylinder (lge capacity) and locate this in its own space, but it all fits. I would prefer to keep everything under there and not dump bits out... If on the roadside you are surely going to require the bit that you took out of the kit!

Bought mine from Cycletreads and they were the ones to offer the advice that you require the big cylinders!

[SVboy]

Cheers-I will certainly try to fit both. Its a hard one obtaining feedback cause mny might own the kits, but perhaps few have had to try them! My kit was from Cycletreads CHCH. I was impressed with his desire to check on the usefulness of the products he stocks.

[jtzzr]

I had a puncture a fews months back and had no repair kit of any sort and it cost me $130 for someone to come and fix it (a bit of dog poo and to inflate it) , so I invested in a dog-poo kit and a very small foot pump that fits in the rear cowling. I did look at the cannisters and was told they are a good idea but if you use them incorrectly they can leak everywhere except into the tyre , and then you are stuck without anything to inflate your tyre ,as to how much pressure a cannister of Co2 can put in your tyre I wouldn`t have a clue ,I`m sure someone will enlighten us.

[SVboy]

I ended up getting the 3 small co2 cannister kit, but with the extra handpump, and it just fits under the rear cowl! I hope I never have to tell you whether it is any good, or not!!

[vifferman]

I have me a Lecktrick pumper.
No room under the seat, so I have to stick it somehwere elses.

[pritch]

I used to have a BMW tyre repair kit but never used it.

Otherwise I carried a Pando and I gave that away to someone less fortunate who needed it at the time. Currently, when travelling, I have a Motul Pando type thing, and the HRCNZ 0800 number. And crossed fingers...

[notme]

I have the innovations kit, and had to use it on the CBR600RR tyre a couple of years ago.

I noticed the rear tyre feeling weird in the middle of open road type country (i.e. no one around!) and stopped - by the time i got to looking at it it was quite flat. Pullling out the offending nail got rid of the rest of the air, and so I proceeded with the (very amateur) repair, then used three small cannisters to inflate the tyre.

It was definitely not at proper pressure, but even with me leaking a bit out of one cannister it was very ridable. I'd guess it was about 70% of the proper pressure. I just took it easy till I got to a gas station, inflated it more, then rode home. This was on a sunday, and the repair held until monday morning when it went in for a proper repair.

So, the big cannisters would be better, but if you can only fit the small ones they are still far better than being stranded!

I have since replaced the cannisters with bigger ones because the VFR has a lot more space under the seat then the RR did.

YMMV

[Swoop]

...because the VFR has a lot more space under the seat then the RR did.
Bloody hell! That must be small!!!:pinch:
Just enough room for a credit card then?:oi-grr:

[nodrog]

i have one, have used it many times and all the repairs have lasted the life of the tyre. havnt used the canisters yet though, as im a rough bastard and just ride to the next servo to use their free air :niceone:

[notme]

Bloody hell! That must be small!!!:pinch:
Just enough room for a credit card then?:oi-grr:

Only if it's in the state mine usually is - empty/flat/depleted.

[skidMark]

ive always used just one small can....in saying that my bikes a 250...it fills it right up....

if not it gives you enough to make it to a servo air pump no worries....

just don't hold the can like my mate did one...gets fucking cold...got stuck to his hand....

not pretty.

[Kittyhawk]

Tie the cannisters to your nipples, if you run out of room under the seat...

Both times I never had a kit, and walked miles to the nearest station, the one time I did buy a repair kit, never used it! its in the glove box of the car incase there is a biker stranded on the side of the road...one day I'll use it!

[Okey Dokey]

Used the repair kit about 3 weeks after it was bought. Had never had a flat prior to that- what great luck! Very simple to use and got me safely to the nearest town where a replacement tyre was sourced. So glad I had one when I needed one. Fits under the seat very nicely.

[homer]

i rode 40 km once on a flat rear
slowly

i just take the cell phone for the roadside assist

[MD]

I bought the Innovations kit after seeing one sucessfully used in the field 3 years ago.

Luckily I have not needed to use it on my own bike. But it was used twice to get a fellow rider back home and both times it did just that. Each time we used 2 small gas bottles which was more than enough to get a 180 & 190 size rear up and working.

At $44 a kit that's $22 and about 7 minutes to get a stranded rider, stuck miles from anywhere, outside of bike shops hours anyway, riding again on their way home. Compare that cost to getting towed, or organising someone to drive miles, maybe having to hire a trailer, to collect you. Well worth the cost.

I've tried tire pandos many years ago and they never worked once.

I have a new kit stored in the spacious under seat luggage compartment A on the Daytona. Compartment B houses the 100 piece tool kit and emergency first aid, and a six pack thirst aid kit and sleeping bag/tent.
Seriously, the Innovations kit does fit under the seat!

[rocketman1]

I digest from all this educated talk that 3 small canisters Cartridges will pump a flat rear to a semi rideable condition, ie enough to get you to a service station in most cases, this is one hell of alot better than nothing at all.
I have invested in one cost about $37, and is small enough to tuck under the seat, hope i dont ever have to use it.
I suggest every rider should have one. Done

[ntst8]

3 small canisters work well if the fix works first time but....
Having watched a mate take one canister to find the hole, two canisters to inflate the "repaired" tyre, then my 3 canisters to get it right when the first fix didn't hold air - all in the middle of the Whangamomona gravel section. And yes he had used these kits before.
He and i each now carry a small pump as back up.

[Bass]

Have used these kits to repair punctures 3 times now, always in the middle of nowhere and always on a tire that was nearly due to be replaced.

The 3 large cylinders will give about 25 psi in a typical 180 x 17 tyre which is a "get you home slowly" situation. However, if the repair is given plenty of time to cure, it will take more pressure than that. My 2nd puncture repair was on the Whangamomona Road and when we got to Taumarunui, the bike shop didn't have a socket big enough to get the rear wheel nut undone. I wasn't prepared to let them have a go with a crescent, so we (2 up) rode the bike home via Reporoa, We did over 500km on the repair. However, the tyre was actually at 40 psi because I worked out that the CO2 applicator in the kit will actually take smaller cartridges - it just needs something for a bit of packing down the bottom of the holder; in this case, a 12mm tap washer. The reason I have done this is, that you can go down to your local sporting goods shop and buy the CO2 cartridges that are used in air pistols and soda siphons etc etc for about $1 each.
So I carry about 9 of them, but then I have bags of room under the seat. Having said that, you can get 5 or 6 of them in the standard kit bag.

[Big Dave]

I think the innovations kits are great - used one half a dozen times.

10/10 from me.

[pyrocam]

I got the 2 can set from cycletreads. had a puncture and used one on a cbr600rr and it gave me about 10psi, enough to get it 1k down the road to the petrol station. i bought another 2 and keep 3 under the seat. the rest of the kit is good stuff. there was a bit of a learning curve but a really effective tool. I had to take out the tool kit for it but I reckon its more worthwhile.

I would say you can survive on 2 to get you to a station but 3 or would be better yeah. obviously its tire size dependent, a M109 would need a little bit more :)

[Big Dave]

a M109 would need a little bit more :)

probably not - the tyre is only a few mm tall - verrrrrry low profile.