Are we lemmings?

[Redstar]

whats a leming? well I might not have spelt it correctly? maybe two "m"s not sure but anyway a creature that is stupid, it follows (is that spelt correctly?)
ignor my spelling please. anyway I have been a Biker for a long time and have noticed that we get more stupid in the presence of ourselfs?(ourselves)
What the F**K is Red on about? I here you think.
Well we all have a competitive nature, that our instinct so when we encounter another rider some, most of us change our nature into a competitive mode a monster. And the indirect race is on! :ride: we want to check out the "cc" the rider the competition its natural and its ego in action. Who can honestly say they want to be wasted by a scooter? everyone has a limit.
I have finally matured into a true safeman I don't care anymore I will not dice with death anymore I am at peace. how to spot a dicer simple really when they see you in their mirror they get all excited darting from mirror to mirror and naturally looking for the better line or lane. The race is on or not if you dice with the dicer you are either a shamed or dead. but if you ride to your true ability rather than beyond it maybe you will live and the dicer will slow down too in a sense of false victory. I had a commute today with a GXR1100 and we sailed to work in unison and without flustered competition it was a spirtule experience and safe. He / she could have done the fidget mambo shit but not. I have entered the third Dimention. first equals no skill two equals all skill and no fear and third equals skill and fear (survival) I will not die on my bike I will die of prostrate cancer.umm the bike death sounds better ;)

[StoneChucker]

Red, you're right. I still get all fidgety when a subaru pulls up next to me, with the speakers going doof doof doof, and the blow off valve going ppsshht. I can't help it, my pulse rises and I can't wait for the lights to go green, so I can show subaru fellah the color of my led tail lights...
Bikes? A little bit, but not so much, unless I can see the other rider getting fidgety. Only prob is, on bikes you're exceeding the speed limit in a couple of seconds, and I do have limits to how fast I'll go on the road.

Hopefully oneday I'll grow out of it.

Oh, when you get prostate cancer (err, not a thing to be joking about), come to us, we do the only brachytherapy seed implants in the Wellington region, hell maybe in NZ, I'm not sure.

[SPman]

Is it called riding your own ride? If I catch up to someone, I'm, ipso facto, travelling faster, so I will probably check out the bike, then pass and carry on at my own speed. Is this dicing. Not in my book. However, if the rider Ive just passed tries to keep up, or similar, is (s)he the lemming?
Personally, I dont give a fuck about dicing with other riders. It is good to follow along with someone through traffic occasionally, however.
SP

[Teflon]

Have to agree with you. Nearly crashed every single bike i've owned (accept the VFR400) through pushing the limits. I've walked away from all of them, including Rear ending a car at about 100k, wrote my NSR off.
2yrs ago nearly went over a cliff (lucky for a fence) on the VTR, that was on the Raglan divi.

So i'm not pushing my luck any more.

[SPman]

What the hell is , brachytherapy seed implants.
Sounds nasty - might need them - the old PSA levels are rising......:sweatdrop

[Jackrat]

I come across the same few riders each day,on the way to or from work.
Most of them are just doing the go to work thing, an also arn't to threated by
an SX650.But,there is one guy who rides a late model black Triumph triple, always takes off real hard if he spots me coming up behind him.
I see him on Glen Brook rd, hope I don't see him in the ditch one day.
Still, nice to know somebody is threated by the SX.
That'll do me :niceone: :laugh:

[Redstar]

Have to agree with you. Nearly crashed every single bike i've owned (accept the VFR400) through pushing the limits. I've walked away from all of them, including Rear ending a car at about 100k, wrote my NSR off.
2yrs ago nearly went over a cliff (lucky for a fence) on the VTR, that was on the Raglan divi.

So i'm not pushing my luck any more.
It's interesting that group rides are more likely to kill you. The most likely cause is cornering on a bend but the LTSA don't say if you were alone or grouped? it's an important Crash statistic I suggest only that it would be as part of a group ride. Where a Underskilled rider is drawn into a competitive environment they were not prepared for? I feel so much safer on my own where I dictate my own limits. My brother lost it one time chasing a skilled rider he had a Yamaha RD250 and I had a 750 Triumph tiger and the lead was a 125XLhonda trail bike but the 125 rider (spud cause his ears stuck out) was a skilled and competent rider on back roads. it was Lemming world and my brother survived but only just. I scraped him off the road. It wasn't Spuds fault.

[StoneChucker]

Brachytherapy is the implanting of radio active seeds around the prostate area. This is a rather interesting procedure. You have an ultrasound probe up your, err, bum, so the surgeons can see where they're putting the needles (with the seads loaded in them). The needles are stuck though the perineum, using an expensive positioning "stepper" and grid for placement, and the seeds pushed through the needles, and left a couple of inches deep. The seeds then release radiation over a period of time, hopefully getting rid of the cancer. Failing that, you're in for a Radical Prostatectomy, the removal of your prostate.

[Motu]

I'm in my own little world - happy to stay there.

[Redstar]

Brachytherapy is the implanting of radio active seeds around the prostate area. This is a rather interesting procedure. You have an ultrasound probe up your, err, bum, so the surgeons can see where they're putting the needles (with the seads loaded in them). The needles are stuck though the perineum, using an expensive positioning "stepper" and grid for placement, and the seeds pushed through the needles, and left a couple of inches deep. The seeds then release radiation over a period of time, hopefully getting rid of the cancer. Failing that, you're in for a Radical Prostatectomy, the removal of your prostate.
No wonder your stone chucker! I'm not keen on any seeds going up my bum Nigel!

[Jackrat]

Brachytherapy is the implanting of radio active seeds around the prostate area. This is a rather interesting procedure. You have an ultrasound probe up your, err, bum, so the surgeons can see where they're putting the needles (with the seads loaded in them). The needles are stuck though the perineum, using an expensive positioning "stepper" and grid for placement, and the seeds pushed through the needles, and left a couple of inches deep. The seeds then release radiation over a period of time, hopefully getting rid of the cancer. Failing that, you're in for a Radical Prostatectomy, the removal of your prostate.

GAWD,you could of just sent him a PM,at 47 I really didn't need to know that.
Didn't stop me reading it but :doh:

[bluninja]

The lemmings didn't jump! They were pushed!!!! :brick:

[Teflon]

It's interesting that group rides are more likely to kill you. The most likely cause is cornering on a bend but the LTSA don't say if you were alone or grouped? it's an important Crash statistic I suggest only that it would be as part of a group ride. Where a Underskilled rider is drawn into a competitive environment they were not prepared for? I feel so much safer on my own where I dictate my own limits. My brother lost it one time chasing a skilled rider he had a Yamaha RD250 and I had a 750 Triumph tiger and the lead was a 125XLhonda trail bike but the 125 rider (spud cause his ears stuck out) was a skilled and competent rider on back roads. it was Lemming world and my brother survived but only just. I scraped him off the road. It wasn't Spuds fault.

Crashing doesn't mean your under skilled, think it's more bad luck in most cases.

It's not "if" your going to crash, it's when and where and how bad. Just have to accept it, if you can't you shouldn't be on a motorcycle.

[Bonez]

I'm in my own little world - happy to stay there. Same here. Just relined the cell :bash: It's nice to be let out sometimes isn't it ;) .

[Dodgyiti]

I will follow someone lanesplitting but will rarely do it on my own, so yep gimmie my Lemming badge please :wavey:

[Bonez]

The lemmings didn't jump! They were pushed!!!! :brick: Ever played "Lemmings" old dos the PC game? :bleh:

[Milky]

absolutely... but my first lemmings experiences were on an Amiga. A truly superior computer in its time :Punk:

[vifferman]

The "racer boy" thing is pharkin annoying sometimes. Like the other day, I came up behind a VFR800 rider who must live somewhere near me, and everytime I got near him, to try and find out who he was / where he lived, he took off through the traffic.:brick:

However, on Tuesday (first ride of the VFR to work), a guy (PC800) who always passed me when I was on the VTR actually pulled up beside me and said hello, then rode with me most of the way. Maybe he didn't feel tempted to race something as slow as a LuxoSport? Maybe the VFR didn't incite him to prove he was riding a real bike? Maybe he liked the snarl of the Staintune?
Who knows... :spudwhat:

And yesterday, an SV1000 pilot thought I was going too slow down the transit lane, and passed me. I thought, "Yeah - that's a really good idea going faster than the speed limit in heavy, stopped traffic, when people are always turning across this lane!", and just carried on at a safe pace, slowing at intersections (can't see people turning until you're right in the intersection), unlike SV Boy. :blink:

The best experience was when we went to Tauranga two weekends ago, and came up behind two bikes who ended up travelling at exactly the speed I was comfy with, and ended up going in the same direction. When we stopped, we were all going the same place, for the same reasons, and even stopped for a pow-wow about the weather. I like that sort of synchronicity. :)

[Posh Tourer :P]

I will not die on my bike I will die of prostrate cancer

I know that a large proportion of the world die in their sleep, but cancer of sleeping really ups the ante.... :gob:

No more lying down for me.... :eek5:

[Devil]

I had a twit on a harley pass me yesterda on the INSIDE at a farking intersection while I was waiting to turn left.
Impatient prick.

[F5 Dave]

Me? I’m a proud lemming. :Punk:


The prestigious lemming run (http://www.lemming.wellington.net.nz/)


Dodgy yes there are badges (well up until the last few years when we got too slack to mint them) so I’m afraid you’ll have to attend next year & see what happens.

Check out the history & badges, or the pics/video clips

ahem.

[Coldkiwi]

It's a funny ol thing but I can identify with it to an extent. Being young (well I was until last week!), moderately stupid and lucky enough to be riding something with plenty of poke (for most situations) I'll readily admit to being keen to not get left behind. Ego is quite possibly the factor here but I'm also happy to say that I like to see guys doing stuff outside my self set limits - it makes me safe in the knowledge that I'm not the craziest SOB out there!

Q: Am I still a lemming if I like to be quicker through the cages than another biker but I'm still within my limits and not pushing harder than my brain can keep up with? Surely a true lemming keeps trying no matter what where a more intelligent rodent might know when its beaten and back off?

[FzerozeroT]

and surely it's not lemming behaviour to use the "bike in front gets a ticket" train of logic?

[avgas]

I come across the same few riders each day,on the way to or from work.
Most of them are just doing the go to work thing, an also arn't to threated by
an SX650.But,there is one guy who rides a late model black Triumph triple, always takes off real hard if he spots me coming up behind him.
I see him on Glen Brook rd, hope I don't see him in the ditch one day.
Still, nice to know somebody is threated by the SX.
That'll do me :niceone: :laugh:
yeh man - the funny thing is, if you gave ya bike a little throttle at the lights, its all on :)
I used to ride a GB400 - and i didnt care who i was dragging, if they wanted a drag, i would give them a run for their money...............alot of the time i won too - isnt that scary

[avgas]

yeh the amiga days............ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[Jackrat]

Was a while ago now.
Was sitting at the lights at Te Rapa with a mate,he was on his GT 550,I was on my GT750.Four other bikes pulled up,Z900,CB900,GT250,RD350.
Six bikes,Te Rapa straight,Friday night,there was only ever going to be one result.It was the best drag I've ever had.When we turned around an came back down the straight there was still blue smoke hanging in the air.
There wasn't a Lemming to be seen anywere.

[bondagebunny]

Crashing doesn't mean your under skilled, think it's more bad luck in most cases.

It's not "if" your going to crash, it's when and where and how bad. Just have to accept it, if you can't you shouldn't be on a motorcycle.

This is the sort of nonsense quoted by people to stupid to operate a motorcycle.
Obviously your lack of ability is due to the limited to the small size of your brain. Sell your bike before you die and make the biker stats look worse, which increases insurance and ACC levys for the rest of us.

[Motu]

Aaah,welcome back bondagebunny - that phrase has been parroted around a bit much for my liking too.

[SPman]

I will not die on my bike I will die of prostrate cancer

I know that a large proportion of the world die in their sleep, but cancer of sleeping really ups the ante....
No more lying down for me.... :eek5:
:killingme:killingme:killingme

Pedantic? Moi?

[Joni]

Aaah,welcome back bondagebunny - that phrase has been parroted around a bit much for my liking too.

Yeah nothing like a mild Bondage troll this late at night!!!
Welcome back Bondage... :bleh:

[Two Smoker]

I pretty much only dice with one person on this site, and thats Motoracer.... Most of the other time, if i pass you its because i want to go at a slightly faster pace...

But with MR, we regularly pass each other generally when he or i pull over to the side and go hard infront for a bit....

We do this mainly to learn more.....But its far better on the track, you can push the bike far harder and safer....

[inlinefour]

whats a leming? well I might not have spelt it correctly? maybe two "m"s not sure but anyway a creature that is stupid, it follows (is that spelt correctly?)
ignor my spelling please. anyway I have been a Biker for a long time and have noticed that we get more stupid in the presence of ourselfs?(ourselves)
What the F**K is Red on about? I here you think.
Well we all have a competitive nature, that our instinct so when we encounter another rider some, most of us change our nature into a competitive mode a monster. And the indirect race is on! :ride: we want to check out the "cc" the rider the competition its natural and its ego in action. Who can honestly say they want to be wasted by a scooter? everyone has a limit.
I have finally matured into a true safeman I don't care anymore I will not dice with death anymore I am at peace. how to spot a dicer simple really when they see you in their mirror they get all excited darting from mirror to mirror and naturally looking for the better line or lane. The race is on or not if you dice with the dicer you are either a shamed or dead. but if you ride to your true ability rather than beyond it maybe you will live and the dicer will slow down too in a sense of false victory. I had a commute today with a GXR1100 and we sailed to work in unison and without flustered competition it was a spirtule experience and safe. He / she could have done the fidget mambo shit but not. I have entered the third Dimention. first equals no skill two equals all skill and no fear and third equals skill and fear (survival) I will not die on my bike I will die of prostrate cancer.umm the bike death sounds better ;)

Man, were you having a bad day??? :eek:

[Jackrat]

Aaah,welcome back bondagebunny - that phrase has been parroted around a bit much for my liking too.

You beat me to it Motu.
I was to busy scratching me head over this one.
Why is it that some riders think it's inevitable their going to crash and it's more to do with luck than skill.
Hell I'm not particualy lucky an my skills are pretty average,but I'm buggered if I'm going to belive crashing is inevitable.
I've been using my very average skills to avoid just that since my last getoff in 88.
I see this mind set in a lot of threads,The protective gear poll for one.
I wear the gear I do partly because I like it,not so much for it's protective
qualitys,that's actualy secondary.
Hell, if I did belive crashing was inevitable I think I'd stop riding.
It's almost like some riders use this type of mind set as an excuse if they do crash.
Way to go B/Bunny,you said a mouth full an I fully agree with you.

PS.
You know the Lemming thing is just a myth,they don't really do that ya' know.
But maybe for some humans it does apply huh. :crazy:

[Storm]

Gotta agree there-if you are thinking that you will throw it away, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Ride safely and within your limits-its that easy :done:

[Bonez]

Ride safely and within your limits-its that easy :done:
Pretty well sums it up alright. :niceone: