Aliens

[hXc]

There are eight planets, 166 known moons bound to them, three dwarf planets and their 4 moons. And billions of small bodies in our solar system alone. That includes asteroids, belt objects, comets and meteors. That's the solar system.

As of this year, there's 271 discovered known (which indicates there's probably hundreds, if not thousands) extra-solar planets, which means planets outside of our system. And studies show MOST of them are actually of the same size as Jupiter, if not bigger. And Jupiter is the biggest planet in our system.

If that isn't enough, there's 76 unconfirmed exoplanets. If the 52 that are extremely likely to be confirmed are confirmed, then that would put the tally at 323 planets outside of our solar system. There's over 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe and at the very least, 70 sextillion(7×1022) stars in the observable universe.

And what are the odds that there is no life on any of them?

By aliens, I just mean intelligent life forms.

[yungatart]

As there is very little intelligent life on this planet, one can assume either that there is none anywhere else, or the clever buggers have left and colonised another planet....

[Grahameeboy]

As there is very little intelligent life on this planet, one can assume either that there is none anywhere else, or the clever buggers have left and colonised another planet....

Well they are not on KB................

[hXc]

I'd go with the latter there tart. With so many possibilities in regards to places that something can inhabit, there has got to be something out there.

[Usarka]

I don't believe in anything without *some* evidence that it exists.

i do believe that it's entirely possible though. and that we may not even recognise them as life forms if we did come across them.

much like australians.

[Disco Dan]

Not intelligient (hehe) but at least 'life' even single celled organisms or even orgasims (hehe).

Im in an odd mood.





Our only reference for what is intelligent is ourselves - so it is unfair to say 'is their intelligent life in the universe' etc.

Life - in any form would be proof of many things in my opinion.

We all started off as single celled omebas etc etc - may even have come here on an asteriod/meteor (i get them confused).

[Usarka]

Im in an odd mood.


I don't believe you exist.

[Waylander]

Would be one hell of wasted space if we were the only ones.

Odds that we'll get visitors here are slim though and more than likely wont happen till the Andromeda galaxy collides with ours. But our sun (along with the planets and of course, us) will be long gone before that happens.

[vixter]

what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!

[James Deuce]

We're incredibly unlikely to recognise "Intelligent" life. We see, hear, smell and feel within an incredibly small series of frequency and density ranges.

If we do bump into recognisable intelligent life then evolution is porked as a theory. Looks like those Intelligent "Design" numpties will win the day if that happens.

[Waylander]

may even have come here on an asteriod/meteor (i get them confused).
Same thing except for a tiny difference.
Asteroids are still in space meteors have crashed into earth/moon/other planet

Kinda like Magma becomes lava once it's hit the earth surface.

[James Deuce]

Nope. Asteroids are still in space, but in a quantifiable orbit around the sun. Meteors are just dashing everywhere, kind of like the skidmarks of outer space, and when these skidmarks bin, as they inevitably do, they become meteorites.

[Scorpygirl]

Oh yes hXc I see them all the time!!! :laugh: "The changes of anything coming from Mars....but still they come" :mobile:

[Waylander]

We're incredibly unlikely to recognise "Intelligent" life. We see, hear, smell and feel within an incredibly small series of frequency and density ranges.

If we do bump into recognisable intelligent life then evolution is porked as a theory. Looks like those Intelligent "Design" numpties will win the day if that happens.
So you watch The Universe program on national geographic? They are saying that one of Saturn's moons (Titan) is very much like early earth. Even to the point of organic compounds being made by electric storms in the atmosphere there.

Nope. Asteroids are still in space, but in a quantifiable orbit around the sun. Meteors are just dashing everywhere, kind of like the skidmarks of outer space, and when these skidmarks bin, as they inevitably do, they become meteorites.
Ah, well I was close then.

[James Deuce]

So you watch The Universe program on national geographic? They are saying that one of Saturn's moons (Titan) is very much like early earth. Even to the point of organic compounds being made by electric storms in the atmosphere there.

If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one. There's no guarantees. Plus Saturn is nowhere near hot enough to give Titan an atmosphere like Earth's. Blah, blah, blah.

Too many random circumstances to presuppose an eventual outcome.

[MVnut]

VALENTINO ROSSI:2thumbsup

[Waylander]

If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one. There's no guarantees. Plus Saturn is nowhere near hot enough to give Titan an atmosphere like Earth's. Blah, blah, blah.

Too many random circumstances to presuppose an eventual outcome.
Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen

[James Deuce]

Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"? Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".

[Waylander]

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"?
That's my argument isn't it?


Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".
That's simplifies humanities nonacceptance of differences quite a bit there mate.
I'd be quite happy if the only difference people had trouble with was that some of us ride cruisers and some ride sportbikes lol.

Valid point though, which could be given as the answer to why another more advanced form of life hasn't made contact with us yet. We are just far too violent and primitive to be worth the time..
Of course we would have to recognize them as life before we considered them worth our time.

[jtzzr]

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"? Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".


Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen


If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one. There's no guarantees. Plus Saturn is nowhere near hot enough to give Titan an atmosphere like Earth's. Blah, blah, blah.

Too many random circumstances to presuppose an eventual outcome.


So you watch The Universe program on national geographic? They are saying that one of Saturn's moons (Titan) is very much like early earth. Even to the point of organic compounds being made by electric storms in the atmosphere there.

Ah, well I was close then.

There`s way to much intelligence here , I think , ooh look Harry Potters on the square thingy in the corner, Pretty lights:drool::crazy:

[Waylander]

Should I mention that I am killing time before I go to watch Alien Vs Predator requiem tonight?

[banditrider]

Warning: too much science in this thread...Where are the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy quotes?

Off to learn how to fly (simple: throw yourself at the ground and miss)...

[sedge]

you been reading Bryson again Jim2 ?

Anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

My theory is that they are everywhere, they just don't like us.

Sedge.

[Bren]

I believe in God, more so as a Supreme Being than that guy sittin up there on a cloud having a philosophical conversation with St Peter. I believe that that said "Supreme Being" is infinitely more intellegent than us. And that "Supreme Being" maybe, just may be an Alien...Well Heck, he ain't Human is he?

²⁷ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. ²⁸ And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
The Book of Genesis 1:27-28

So that Supreme Being ain't a wispy thing but a bipedal being...is it possible then that that Supreme Being is what some people refer to as Aliens...A Traveler from a vastly more intelligent civilization? And as for Jesus Christ? Alien again...possibly, He certainly performed miracles, things that could not be explained by people of the times. And Moses, He parted the red sea so his people could flee Egypt.

All throughout the Old Testament are stories of Cherubums and such...things that flew. Here is one from The 2nd Book of Samuel

⁵ When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid; ⁶ The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; ⁷ In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. ⁸ Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. ⁹ There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. ¹⁰ He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. ¹¹ And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. ¹² And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. ¹³ Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. ¹⁴ The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. ¹⁵ And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. ¹⁶ And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Could that text possibly describe someone Descending and Ascending in a UFO?

The Book of Ezekiel describes Cherubums with revolving wheels and such, wheels turning in strange ways. another possible UFO? I dont know but it is always possible.

My point being is that Religions from many areas could involve Aliens....Aztecs for another example....I know what I believe, and I can happily believe in Both God and the possibility of Aliens

[SPman]

I find most people are aliens, to me.

[nodrog]

there must be other forms of life out there, and no matter how small or unadvanced it is, its got to be more intelligent than skidmark :shit:

[Hitcher]

It should be possible to have a "sensible" discussion on the likelihood of "intelligent" "life" elsewhere in the universe without trotting the bible out. "Theological" discussion on this matter can be unearthed in the Religious Ravings thread, where it has been had on a couple of occasions.

Let's try and keep threads on topic for as long as possible, eh?

[Disco Dan]

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The answer is 42.

[Blackadda]

The question has been answered, the ranting religious southern man proves there is life south of the cook strait, therefore there must be alien life!

However it may not be intelligent life?

[Jamezo]

Do I believe that intelligent life does/has/will exist/existed somewhere in the universe? I believe that it's highly likely!

Do I believe we have been visited by these life forms, given everything we know about the relativistic (in the Einsteinian rather than the philosophical sense...!) limitations imposed on travel and communication and even the most fanciful limits of technology? Not at all.

[Blackadda]

The answer is 42.

No I'm not, I'm still 36 whark ya!

Stop spreading vicious rumours :dodge:

[Swoop]

Possibility of other life forms out there? Yes.
With the amount of planets out there that would have a supportive atmosphere, for a particular evolution to be possible, there is ample opportunity.

Hopefully they do not sit around on Sunday morning comparing clothes.

[smoky]

By aliens, I just mean intelligent life forms.

How intelligent?

I believe in Aliens - she's a Irish girl who live in Te Awamutu, met her at the Ale House on Arawata Street, nice girl, to be sure.

[smoky]

Not intelligient (hehe) but at least 'life' even single celled organisms or even orgasims (hehe).



so orgasims are alien to you ?

[James Deuce]

Not intelligient (hehe) but at least 'life' even single celled organisms or even orgasims (hehe).



There's no "I" in orgasm. Unless you're a bloke.

[Hitcher]

I believe in Aliens - she's a Irish girl who live in Te Awamutu

Come on Alien,
I swear (well he means) At this moment you mean everything,
With you in that dress my thoughts I confess verge on dirty
Ah come on Alien.

[smoky]

If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one.

Does that mean they'll stick to metal objects and point north all the time.
They would'nt be good swimmers if they were always trying to point to the north

[NinjaNanna]

We're incredibly unlikely to recognise "Intelligent" life. We see, hear, smell and feel within an incredibly small series of frequency and density ranges.

If we do bump into recognisable intelligent life then evolution is porked as a theory. Looks like those Intelligent "Design" numpties will win the day if that happens.

Whilst I'd personally love to see Evolution debunked once and for all - why would the discovery of more "Intelligent Life" be evidence one way or the other. I should have thought both sides would claim it to be proof supporting each claim.

[Blackadda]

Does that mean they'll stick to metal objects and point north all the time.
They would'nt be good swimmers if they were always trying to point to the north

I've got it!

Lemmings! the Aliens are lemmings, singing irish tunes in Te Awamutu? :banana:

[McJim]

There must be inteligent life out there - you don't catch them spending millions to find out if there's intelligent life down here! :rofl:

[Blackadda]

There must be inteligent life out there - you don't catch them spending millions to find out if there's intelligent life down here! :rofl:

Cause they know it's a wasted cause!

[Dave-]

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.

sounds about right to me.

[James Deuce]

Whilst I'd personally love to see Evolution debunked once and for all - why would the discovery of more "Intelligent Life" be evidence one way or the other. I should have thought both sides would claim it to be proof supporting each claim.

No. If the majority of Intelligent life we encounter in whatever future we devise follows a series of rules, like the one postulated in the Star Trek Universe (and which posited Intelligent Design before it became an anti-science fad), bipedal, oxygen breathing, DNA as a fixed rule that has 22 pairs of chromosomes, gender based reproduction via zygote and gamete, then Scientific Method could easily be used to divine the existence of a "creator", Divine, or otherwise.

[Jamezo]

Whilst I'd personally love to see Evolution debunked once and for all - why would the discovery of more "Intelligent Life" be evidence one way or the other. I should have thought both sides would claim it to be proof supporting each claim.
Ah, a supporter of Lamarckism then?

[Laava]

REPOST There is already a thread about what happened to Liz Shaw!

[smoky]

REPOST There is already a thread about what happened to Liz Shaw!

there's already a post about Reposting posts.
I guess that means your comment is post repost posting

[NinjaNanna]

Ah, a supporter of Lamarckism then?

Err not at all - 100% Intelligent design. And that's all I'll say as Religious/Philosophical dedate is not welcome in this thread it is only tolerated in the Religous Ravings Thread in PD.

Facinating thread that one.

[Laava]

there's already a post about Reposting posts.
I guess that means your comment is post repost posting

Preposterous!

[Disco Dan]

http://www.ags.uci.edu/~mzyoung/p2.htm

[u4ea]

Bahh Humbug....I saw a pic in the paper of something flying over Shannon recently....ok..back to my corner of the universe..........:mellow:

[James Deuce]

It was probably Ian Easton's wife.

[Toaster]

the clever buggers have left and colonised another planet....

Nope... I am still here! Couldn't afford the avgas bill!! :dodge:

[Waylander]

Wow. I go way for a few hours and come back and this thread has taken three directions.
Biblical, which I don't care about.
Scientific, far beyond my understanding of it.
And Nerdy, I don't know enough about Star Trek and have never seen either version of "Hitchhiker's" to be considered one of those.


In Closing, Aliens Vs Predator 2 was a rather enjoyable movie. Could have done with better lighting on the big bad mix-breed thing and a long more brutal final fight..
But still, very enjoyable. I recommend all of you seeing it.



Except hXc, I don't think he's old enough.

[u4ea]

It was probably Ian Easton's wife.


well that answers that mystery!!!:2thumbsup

[Biggles41]

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

[James Deuce]

Cue Big Dave!

[Disco Dan]

Does that mean they'll stick to metal objects and point north all the time.
They would'nt be good swimmers if they were always trying to point to the north

Then if they get to the magnetic north pole they will spin round and round and round?? :innocent:

[Disco Dan]

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Aww cheer up ya ole bugga, incidentally this record is available in tha fallout...

[Bikernereid]

Or they took one look at our planet and decided to stay the fook away!!


As there is very little intelligent life on this planet, one can assume either that there is none anywhere else, or the clever buggers have left and colonised another planet....

[MSTRS]

Who's not to say that 'god' wasn't a lifeform that visited Earth, seeded it with their own genes by taking an ape or prehuman and doing the dna shuffle. Then taking a rib and cloning it with some dicking about with genetic structure to create female breeding stock. And then fucking off to do the same elsewhere.
???
Explains 'Adam' etc.

[hXc]

What says God stopped with Humans? What says that the creation was solely Adam & Eve and that was it? The Bible isn't a good representation as to what is in the universe. It gives a fantastic representation of how we as Earth people got here. But that's what it covers. That's it. Earth. The creation of man. Man.

There's a lot of Christians who also don't believe dinosaurs ever existed. So for them to get upset over the suggestion of aliens definitely isn't far fetched. And to God, maybe the Earth is special. Maybe that was his priority or maybe he just liked Earth more, who knows? But once again, the creation story does refer to our creation as the creation of the Heavens and the Earth. Not any other creation.

The creation is directly stated as the heavens and the Earth. But that's the creation the Bible documents. Let's say that there are other colonies of species in our system or in a far off system. Maybe they have their own religious doctrine documenting how they were created. Maybe they have a completely separate belief altogether. There's endless possibilities as to how things could be.

[Pieyed]

I'm just glad I'm in the 34% and not the usual 10%.:jerry:

[Kemet]

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

That's what I was going to say!!!!

I wonder if any of the aliens have livers they want to donate............

[MSTRS]

What says God stopped with Humans?

Who says that humans didn't create god(s). It's a great way to cover the unexplainable. Bit like the toothfairy, really.
Visitors from elsewhere came here, did their stuff to create a sentient species, or gave a local existing likely recipient a helping hand, and racial memory provided the story of Adam & Eve. Obviously anything that could create such a pair would have to be all-powerful, hence god(s).
Now, of course, like an animal preserve, we are left alone to flourish or wither as circumstances or our nature dictates. One day, we may join the inter-galactic federation as a full member in our own right. In the meantime, we may be being 'observed' or occasionally visited. With the almost unimaginable distances of interstellar space, don't expect that those visits will be too close together.
Unless wormholes are true.

[SixPackBack]

The 'Fermi paradox' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox)seems counter intuitive when crunching numbers but worthy of discussion all the same.

[Dave-]

flying spaghetti monster created the earth after drinking heavily one night...