Motorcycle Registrations.

[James Deuce]

Are up hugely.

They'll be more and more motorcycle related deaths due to statistics, n00bness, stupidity, and sheer mischance.

RIP threads are going to get stultifying in their repetitiveness.

Just like it used to be 25-30 years ago, though we didn't have the freedom to discuss the causes and implications amongst fellow motorcyclists widely, such as we do now.

Get used to it or look hard at yourself and do what's necessary to avoid my prophecy, a prophecy already tabled by ACC, DHBs, the Ministry of Health, The Business Roundtable, Concerned Mother's Groups, Grey Power, and of course, Road Safety Experts, Experts both self-appointed and anointed alike.

Work the system or be crushed by it.

Ask yourself what you can do to ensure motorcycling's future.

[Gubb]

Ask yourself what you can do to ensure motorcycling's future.

Take 2 wheels off your right hand neighbour's car and force them to register it as a motorcycle.

Until the great unwashed understand out plight, we are doomed.

[McJim]

Run off patches (kitty litter) on every corner and a total ban on 4 wheeeled vehicles.

[Toaster]

We individually can ensure motorcyclings future by positively promoting the fun of riding among our peers and doing our best to ride defensively.

(with the odd torque-filled burst at the appropriate time and place of course!)

[MTW]

Are up hugely.

They'll be more and more motorcycle related deaths due to statistics, n00bness, stupidity, and sheer mischance.


It's true that in the event of an accident the motorcyclist is going to suffer more than the car/truck driver. So the rising cost of registration is ever present but I've often thought the whole registration system should be more like an insurance system.

If your accident free (that is, not the causer of an accident resulting in injury) then shouldn't your registration for car/bike/whatever be less than that of someone who has caused multiple accidents resulting in injury?

I'm not trying to pick on those that have had a lot of accidents but I guess it's like an insurance premium, the risk is assesed and if your accident free and a low risk threat then shouldn't you get some form of discount from your rego's?

[James Deuce]

That's just trying to shift blame to a compulsory insurance programme.

I'm talking about personal responsibility, awareness of your individual effect on society as a whole, and modifying your behaviour to avoid a climbing death toll.

No cops outs.

[Gubb]

I would love to say that education is the key, but realistically, you can't change someone's mind if it's already made up. At least not in one generation anyway.

Then again, Drink Driving culture has changed, maybe there is hope to promote sensible driver education programmes, skid pan training, proper driver education and qualification.

But where is the money going to come from? we can't siphon it from the health, education, sectors. Sure as fuck there will be protest marches if the Government puts up taxes for road education programmes.

[Big Dave]

Wheelstands raise awareness!

[MTW]

That's just trying to shift blame to a compulsory insurance programme.

I'm talking about personal responsibility, awareness of your individual effect on society as a whole, and modifying your behaviour to avoid a climbing death toll.

No cops outs.

Sorry I was more on the angle of the rising registration thing...

Pulled the following from the net.

In 2006, 38 motorcyclists1 were killed and a further 1017 were injured in road crashes. This was 10 percent of all deaths and 7 percent of all reported injuries on our roads.

Actually it's an interesting link and worth a read.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

Very interesting graphs of motorcyclists killed and injured from 1980 to 2006 and by age group too, there could be some lessons to be learnt about why the figures have fallen since 1980. Perhaps the introduction of the learner/restricted licence system and 250cc restrictions?

[James Deuce]

Wheelstands raise awareness!This is true, but these days it needs to be special like a High Chair, or a 12OC.

Make sure it stands out mmmkay?

[James Deuce]

Sorry I was more on the angle of the rising registration thing...

Pulled the following from the net.

In 2006, 38 motorcyclists1 were killed and a further 1017 were injured in road crashes. This was 10 percent of all deaths and 7 percent of all reported injuries on our roads.

Actually it's an interesting link and worth a read.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

Very interesting graphs of motorcyclists killed and injured from 1980 to 2006 and by age group too, there could be some lessons to be learnt about why the figures have fallen since 1980. Perhaps the introduction of the learner/restricted licence system and 250cc restrictions?

Never apologise!

The figures dropped because the number of non-scooter bikes on the road has dropped hugely compared to 30 years ago. The death and accident rate is still hugely too high for 2% of the vehicles on the road though.

I don't think the graduated license system is particularly sensible anymore and power to weight system rather than a capacity limit is a much better idea.

[MTW]

I say that and find the below on the very last page. Hmmm...still it surely has to have made a difference for the good.

Despite the rule that learner and restricted licence holders are not permitted to ride bikes of greater than 250cc engine capacity, 10 percent of riders on learner licences, and 20 percent of riders on restricted licences, were riding bikes of over 250ccs at the time of their crashes.

[MTW]

I don't think the graduated license system is particularly sensible anymore and power to weight system rather than a capacity limit is a much better idea.

That's a good point, 250cc road bikes are out there that would give my 1100 a run for it's money. There certainly needs to be a change soon to get those %'s down.

[MisterD]

Take seat belts and airbags out of cages that'll make the percentage of biker deaths drop...might even make a few cagers more interested in being aware of their environment too

[Okey Dokey]

I'm agreed with Toaster. Try to be a "good ambassador" for motorcycling in general. Ride with consideration for other road users, smile and chat to people who come up to look at you or your bike.

Doing that sort of thing must help our collective image. Too many people still think of bikies as outlaws or something, when we know ourselves that we are all just the same sort of people that you find in any sample of the general population. (sorry long sentence, still getting the hang of posting)

[Marmoot]

Ask yourself what you can do to ensure motorcycling's future.

More porn!

More porn = more wanking for wankers = busy wankers = less wankers on the road = safer road

More porn save lives!

[Ms Piggy]

The figures dropped because the number of non-scooter bikes on the road has dropped hugely compared to 30 years ago. The death and accident rate is still hugely too high for 2% of the vehicles on the road though.

I don't think the graduated license system is particularly sensible anymore and power to weight system rather than a capacity limit is a much better idea.

Hey Jim,
It's certainly an ongoing issue and I have noticed the increase in riders deaths even in the very short time I've been riding...or that could be b/c now I am more aware.

I agree with you that the current licensing system for motorcycles is ill-suited, inappropriate and dangerous - as most are aware, legally any L plate wearing rider is supposed to ride at 70kms/hr max and ever since I began riding I found that the most dangerous part of it. I definitely support the concept of a power to weight system over CC rating restrictions.

And yep - I'm a big fan of personally responsibility. I'm the 1st to admit I'm a very conservative rider with very little experience but, it seems every time I meet up with a friend I haven't seen for a while and they ask if I'm still riding, their next sentence is about some crazy motorcyclist doing some stupid passing/tail gaiting or generally riding dangerously on a public road. It's difficult to ask ppl to take us seriously when this is the way a lot of the public view us.

[Hitcher]

I plan to drink more better coffee. That way I will be very alert.

I have also converted my mother into an advocate for motorcycling and bikers' rights. I suggest everybody else does the same thing.

[Curious_AJ]

what does a registration cost these days on average?

and what about re-reg?

[NighthawkNZ]

Get used to it or look hard at yourself and do what's necessary to avoid my prophecy, a prophecy already tabled by ACC, DHBs, the Ministry of Health, The Business Roundtable, Concerned Mother's Groups, Grey Power, and of course, Road Safety Experts, Experts both self-appointed and anointed alike.



GEt rid of ACC

[Oakie]

In 2006, 38 motorcyclists1 were killed and a further 1017 were injured in road crashes.

44 pedestrians were killed on NZ roads last year. Walking is therefore more dangerous than motorcycling! :innocent: (Someone once said "Statistics will admit to anything if tortured enough")
This being the case, perhaps pedestrians should be registered and have to pay an ACC premium too?

[Ixion]

More porn!

More porn = more wanking for wankers = busy wankers = less wankers on the road = safer road

More porn save lives!

You do realise that, now cellphones are coming out with web browsers, pretty soon half the cagers on the road will be browsing pr0n while driving ?

[Marmoot]

You do realise that, now cellphones are coming out with web browsers, pretty soon half the cagers on the road will be browsing pr0n while driving ?

but they wouldn't want to be seen wanking on the road.

[Ixion]

Wouldn't bet on it. I predict a trend for cellphones to be duct taped to the steering wheel, and the driver with a rug over his lap.

[Oakie]

but they wouldn't want to be seen wanking on the road.

I don't think they could anyway. One hand to hold the phone ... one hand to hold the steering wheel ... nothing left to wank with. You could I suppose wait until stopped at traffic lights and then furiously try to get yourself off before the lights change. Gives 'trying to beat the traffic light' a whole new meaning.

[Ixion]

I don't think they could anyway. One hand to hold the phone ... one hand to hold the steering wheel ... nothing left to wank with. You could I suppose wait until stopped at traffic lights and then furiously try to get yourself off before the lights change. Gives 'trying to beat the traffic light' a whole new meaning.

Duct tape the phone to the steering wheel. Or use your knees to steer. Seen that before today.

[Angusdog]

Although I like the idea of promoting motorcycling, and scooter riders are part of our happy clan, every time I get to the motorcycle parks near work (Outside Farmers on Victoria Street) and see it full of scooters, I want to push them all over. It says Motorcycle parking, FFS... (Tongue in cheek).

WCC needs to make more motorcycle parking areas, even though they don't make any revenue for the council.

[Fatjim]

come on Jim, I'm busting to know.

How do you die by statistic?

[nudedaytona]

when you register a bike or apply for a licence you should get vouchers for practical training courses. And maybe people who have already done it should get a discount.

Or I think more people would go on these if registration, and other bike costs such as tyres, leathers etc was cheaper.

[Hitcher]

come on Jim, I'm busting to know.

How do you die by statistic?

43% of people always want to know that.

[James Deuce]

come on Jim, I'm busting to know.

How do you die by statistic?

Dead people are listed in statistics.

[Dave Lobster]

They'll be more and more motorcycle related deaths due to statistics, n00bness, stupidity, and sheer mischance.



And there was me thinking they were because of dumb shits in cars that don't f*cking look where they're going.

[James Deuce]

Very few motorcycle deaths have anything to do with cars. They have everything to do with your attitude. Most motorcycle accidents are the riders fault.

[vifferman]

Most motorcycle accidents are the riders fault.
That is in fact incorrect. Over 90% of motorcycle 'accidents' are caused by Satan.
The other 35% are caused by statisitics.

[Dave Lobster]

Very few motorcycle deaths have anything to do with cars. They have everything to do with your attitude. Most motorcycle accidents are the riders fault.

Isn't that tough shit for the rider involved then?

Most of the crashes I have to avoid every day are because dumb shits aren't looking where they're going.

Are Kiwis taught indicator, manoeuvre or, MIRROR (to see if there's anything coming), indicator, manoeuvre (if it's fucking clear)?

[Swoop]

RIP threads are going to get stultifying in their repetitiveness.

Ask yourself what you can do to ensure motorcycling's future.
More bikes on the roads = more waving threads.... Gah!:thud:

To prevent OOS/RSI, I will refrain from waving at any form of 2-wheeled conveyance, in the name of safety. Ghey dayglo vests' are still out though.

[James Deuce]

Isn't that tough shit for the rider involved then?



Most of the crashes I have to avoid every day are because dumb shits aren't looking where they're going.



Are Kiwis taught indicator, manoeuvre or, MIRROR (to see if there's anything coming), indicator, manoeuvre (if it's fucking clear)?
You've identified some hazards about riding in NZ so now manage them. Whinging about them isn't doing anything, and no, Kiwis aren't taught that anymore. They're taught to pass a test and any form of "advanced" driver or rider training is frowned upon by officialdom as it promotes "driver over confidence".

[Dave Lobster]

You've identified some hazards about riding in NZ so now manage them. Whinging about them isn't doing anything, and no, Kiwis aren't taught that anymore. They're taught to pass a test and any form of "advanced" driver or rider training is frowned upon by officialdom as it promotes "driver over confidence".
Surely the test is there to see if someone is competent at driving a vehicle? If they're not (ie, they're endangering other people's lives), then they should fail the test?
If officialdom is so (allegedly) concerned for our safety that they deem it illegal to do 110km/h (because that's where the crashes are happening, sir :argh:), then they're concerned enough to keep dangerous people from being on the road in the first place. Unless the 100km/h speed limit is only there for revenue gathering.

[James Deuce]

This may be hard to take, but as a Crustacean newly integrated into our South Pacific Utopia, you have to understand that what a politician says, and what a politician does, are seldom related in reality unless it is to refute that the politician ever did something they said they would.

[Dave Lobster]

Yeah, that ad really pisses me off too.

The other funny one is where we're told by some retard that on EVERY corner, there's more force taking us off the road than keeping us on. Makes me wonder how any of us get round ANY corner!! Surely we'd fall off the road every time?

Or are the ads using faith rather than science?

[MTW]

what does a registration cost these days on average?


Just got mine in the mail. 6 months $115.92 and 12 months will burn you $224.28

Over 12 months it is broken down as follows:
Licence fee $24.50
ACC Levy $166.50
Other Levies $1.64
Admin $6.72
GST $24.92

[NighthawkNZ]

Get rid of ACC

Oh and get rid od Statistaics NZ as statistically speaking they are way out... Statistics are over rated.

[Oakie]

Dead people are listed in statistics.

The Marquis de Sade was a statistic bastard.
So was my old maths teacher.
:whistle:

[Pwalo]

Ask yourself what you can do to ensure motorcycling's future.

Actually I think that niether you nor I will influence motorcycling's future. All any of us can do on an individual basis is be who we are.

[more_fasterer]

Actually I think that niether you nor I will influence motorcycling's future. All any of us can do on an individual basis is be who we are.

... and keep it rubber side down.

Hang on, what's with the sensible answer?? Is this like a reverse troll?

[Oakie]

... Is this like a reverse troll?
That would be a 'llort' ?

[Conquiztador]

I'll sort it self out soon. As the petrol inside 5 years hits a $5/litre high only the dedicated will be on the roads. And the ones who must drive will be running some hybrid thingy of 800cc capacity that goes top 100k/h.

But until then what we all can do is expect the unexpected and be prepared for anything!

[Motu]

I have just beheaded my Nissan,and flung the entrails across the lawn - in a trance induced by the Lord of Dark Speights I had a vision......I see Sucky Blowies for all of us.




Or is there another reason for the camshaft to be in 3 pieces?

[Ixion]

You do realise that it's impossible to get a sucky blowy hover thing sideways, don't you?

More to the point, tell me if the gearbox output shaft seal of an XT600 can be replaced in situ?

[RDJ]

And yep - I'm a big fan of personally responsibility. I'm the 1st to admit I'm a very conservative rider with very little experience but, it seems every time I meet up with a friend I haven't seen for a while and they ask if I'm still riding, their next sentence is about some crazy motorcyclist doing some stupid passing/tail gaiting or generally riding dangerously on a public road. It's difficult to ask ppl to take us seriously when this is the way a lot of the public view us.

You make a good point, but I can't help but feel that this "impression" is largely generated by the fact that well-behaved motorcyclists make very little impression on the average oblivious cager, even though WBMCs are in the clear majority. I was recently home for a couple of weeks holiday, driving a cage around the North Island, and I assume as a rider I notice motorcycles more than the average cage driver. What was good to see from my point of view was the number of motorcycles on the roads in New Zealand seems to be up year-on-year, but I noted very very few riders engaging in what anybody would regard as "stupid" behaviour. Proportionately at least two orders of magnitude less common than stupid cage driving behaviour...

Slightly off topic, but I personally didn't see any riders out on the open road without (nearly) all the gear one would regard as essential protection.

[Ms Piggy]

You make a good point, but I can't help but feel that this "impression" is largely generated by the fact that well-behaved motorcyclists make very little impression on the average oblivious cager, even though WBMCs are in the clear majority. I was recently home for a couple of weeks holiday, driving a cage around the North Island, and I assume as a rider I notice motorcycles more than the average cage driver. What was good to see from my point of view was the number of motorcycles on the roads in New Zealand seems to be up year-on-year, but I noted very very few riders engaging in what anybody would regard as "stupid" behaviour. Proportionately at least two orders of magnitude less common than stupid cage driving behaviour...

Slightly off topic, but I personally didn't see any riders out on the open road without (nearly) all the gear one would regard as essential protection.

Yeah both very good points! Thanks! I guess it's like most groups of people it's only when someone is viewed doing something "bad" that ppl notice them.

[Deano]

If all the peeps who love a hoon, or would be racers took it to the track, would there be less carnage on the road and a stronger motorcycle racing scene in NZ ?

If I had known how easy it really was to get into racing I would have done it years ago.

[Motu]

You do realise that it's impossible to get a sucky blowy hover thing sideways, don't you?

More to the point, tell me if the gearbox output shaft seal of an XT600 can be replaced in situ?

Ah shit,that sucks! Blows that idea out of my future reality.

That's an affirmative on the seal....no nasty lip.There is a lock washer - your's has been used 14 times,and will snap on the last little bit.Be prepared....or use loctite.

Bike registrations may be up....but I bet bike sales overall are up even more.A shit load of bikes on trailers and utes heading south today....I thought Kimmy's was going to be a bit crowded,but then remembered it's Dessert Storm.Bucket loads of disposable income on display....and none of the bikes registered.

[Clockwork]

Fkn propagandists!

I'd be quite happy for the Gubmint to spend a goodly chunk of the squillions of road tax and ticket revenue on proper education, like how to negotiate a roundabout, how to use your indicators, what to do in a skid, how your car will NOT explode into flames if you drive on a flush median, etc.

Couldn't agree more.


..... I wanted to rep you for this but apparently I don't toss the stuff around freely enough!

[Dave Lobster]

You make a good point, but I can't help but feel that this "impression" is largely generated by the fact that well-behaved motorcyclists make very little impression on the average oblivious cager, even though WBMCs are in the clear majority. I was recently home for a couple of weeks holiday, driving a cage around the North Island, and I assume as a rider I notice motorcycles more than the average cage driver. What was good to see from my point of view was the number of motorcycles on the roads in New Zealand seems to be up year-on-year, but I noted very very few riders engaging in what anybody would regard as "stupid" behaviour.

This is true of any minority. The 2% ruining the image of everyone.

What also doesn't help is car drivers' perception of what is 'dangerous' behaviour. Too many consider filtering to be dangerous. Personally, I don't, and will always filter through slow moving traffic. To my eyes, not fast. But if you're travelling 10km/h faster than them, they're going to think you're a lunatic.

It's good that there's more of us on the roads. There's now more people that 'know' someone that rides a bike. So hopefully they'll be paying more attention. I've noticed more car drivers pulling to one side to let me past over the last six months, alone.

[James Deuce]

Every time I see a 5 car nose to tail my resolve to continue lane splitting is stiffened.