Proposed new speed limit

[Fatjim]

Now we all acknowledge (red bling me if you don't) that the Wire rope barriers are excessively dangerous to motocyclists.

I propose a volentry speed limit on any road with a WRB of 70kph. This certainly comes under "ride to the conditions, if they change reduce your speed". Exceeding 70k greatly increases the likelyhood of a gory death in these areas.

[enigma51]

Now we all acknowledge (red bling me if you don't) that the Wire rope barriers are excessively dangerous to motocyclists.

I propose a volentry speed limit on any road with a WRB of 70kph. This certainly comes under "ride to the conditions, if they change reduce your speed". Exceeding 70k greatly increases the likelyhood of a gory death in these areas.

Good suggestion the only problem is that at 70 you are still going to loose limb or live

[Katman]

Good suggestion the only problem is that at 70 you are still going to loose limb or live

I'd be in favour of the idea. At 70kph there would be less likelihood of coming off and more chance to avoid any hazard in the first place.

[Dargor]

Good suggestion the only problem is that at 70 you are still going to loose limb or live

And piss off everyone behind you.

[MSTRS]

And piss off everyone behind you.

Who cares about that? It's what the 'pissed off' ones might do to a solitary biker that is the problem.
The better proposal is to ride in packs, and then do as FJ says.

[MaxB]

IIRC a 50km/h impact is like a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window.

Maybe you should drop that speed to 50km/h?

[DEATH_INC.]

May make an interesting protest....ride from here to hamilton in a pack not exceeding 70kph in both lanes....as long as yer passing each other all the time it's not failing to keep left...may get some media attention methinks...

[PrincessBandit]

tandem towing a grand piano behind some of the bikes?.......

[madandy]

IIRC a 50km/h impact is like a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window.

Maybe you should drop that speed to 50km/h?


A grand weighs between quarter and half a ton. My Great Aunties Steinway weighed in at over 580kg...
OUCH!

[James Deuce]

Niiiiiiiice.

Get BRONZ on to it.

We'll have to ride everywhere in groups of no less than 30 motorcycles, but that shouldn't be hard to organise.

[Freakshow]

IIRC a 50km/h impact is like a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window.

Maybe you should drop that speed to 50km/h?

What I want to know is tested this to work out this comparision??:crazy:

[mowgli]

Waste of time. Cages won't care. They'll think we're a bunch of hypocrites for choosing to ride bikes and then complaining that the barriers are dangerous because we're on bikes.

[madandy]

Waste of time. Cages won't care. They'll think we're a bunch of hypocrites for choosing to ride bikes and then complaining that the barriers are dangerous because we're on bikes.

We were riding the bikes long before the cheesecutters went up.

[James Deuce]

Could we start a petition to send Mowgli back to the jungle?

[mowgli]

What I want to know is tested this to work out this comparision??:crazy:

No need. A 580kg grand falling 5m has about 28.4kJ of energy to dissipate when impacting with the ground. A 300kg bike including rider travelling at 50kph has about the same energy to dissipate in a crash :dodge:

[mowgli]

We were riding the bikes long before the cheesecutters went up.

Yep. I totally agree they are a piece of crap but I don't think your average cage driver cares. We'd be better off finding a fault in the cheesecutters that affected all road users then using that as grounds for lobbying the beuraucrats.

[mowgli]

Could we start a petition to send Mowgli back to the jungle?

They won't want me back :shit:

[James Deuce]

It's alright mate, someone will lend youa Leopard skin loin cloth. Heaps of Deviants on KB.

[Ixion]

The way things are going, the biggest problem is going to be finding a stretch of road with a speed limit of more than 70kph.

[madandy]

No need. A 580kg grand falling 5m has about 28.4kJ of energy to dissipate when impacting with the ground. A 300kg bike including rider travelling at 50kph has about the same energy to dissipate in a crash :dodge:

MaxB said hitting something at 50km/h was "...like a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window..." not the ground.
So you take a half ton hit to the head & chest from 5m & tell me its like riding a bike into a wall (for instance) at a speed any half arse Cyclist can attain on a ten speed ;)
For the record I have hit an earth wall at over 50km/h on a bike and rode off after shaking the stars off from around my bloody head. An incident I would much rather repeat than lay under a falling Piano:yes:

As for hitting one of them WRB - eew scary even at 50!

[mowgli]

The way things are going, the biggest problem is going to be finding a stretch of road with a speed limit of more than 70kph.

There are plenty of those. Trouble is they all have "TEMPORARY" limits of 80 odd. Temporary my #$%#!!!!!

[Disco Dan]

hehe...

pack of bikers traveling along mway.. wire barrier begins.. bikers get off bikes and start 'walking them' along the mway.... "too bloody dangerous to ride next to those things" humpf...

[MSTRS]

hehe...

pack of bikers traveling along mway.. wire barrier begins.. bikers get off bikes and start 'walking them' along the mway.... "too bloody dangerous to ride next to those things" humpf...

You are beginning to get the idea....protests in the form of public disruption will happen if this thing drags on without a resolution.

[mowgli]

MaxB said hitting something at 50km/h was "...like a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window..." not the ground.
So you take a half ton hit to the head & chest from 5m & tell me its like riding a bike into a wall (for instance) at a speed any half arse Cyclist can attain on a ten speed ;)

Right! This clearly requires that we conduct an experiment to settle this once and for all. I've got a first floor window. Your great aunt has a piano. Since you've already experienced the 50kph bin you're best placed to catch the piano and tell use whether the two experiences were roughly alike.

When shall we set it up? :laugh:

[madandy]

Me Aunt lives in Paihia. Can you make it up there on that 'sowellhung'?
She may take excpetion to you pushing her beloved grand out the window - even more so than the fact I'd be waiting on the ground floor, arms open & waiting for the inevitable!

[mowgli]

Me Aunt lives in Paihia. Can you make it up there on that 'sowellhung'?
She may take excpetion to you pushing her beloved grand out the window - even more so than the fact I'd be waiting on the ground floor, arms open & waiting for the inevitable!

Just maybe this is a silly idea ... anyway we're supposed to be dissing the cheesecutters not making enemies for cruelty to large noisy objects.


... talking about the piano btw.

[yungatart]

Who cares about that? It's what the 'pissed off' ones might do to a solitary biker that is the problem.
The better proposal is to ride in packs, and then do as FJ says.




May make an interesting protest....ride from here to hamilton in a pack not exceeding 70kph in both lanes....as long as yer passing each other all the time it's not failing to keep left...may get some media attention methinks...

Don't Auckland and Wellington have long weekends coming up?? A protest ride at 70 kph (or less) should make people sit up and take notice.


Yep. I totally agree they are a piece of crap but I don't think your average cage driver cares. We'd be better off finding a fault in the cheesecutters that affected all road users then using that as grounds for lobbying the beuraucrats.


Have you read CC resource thread...it is all in there


You are beginning to get the idea....protests in the form of public disruption will happen if this thing drags on without a resolution.

Long weekend protest rides anyone??

[NOMIS]

[QUOTE=DEATH_INC.;1384250]May make an interesting protest....ride from here to hamilton in a pack not exceeding 70kph in both lanes....as long as yer passing each other all the time it's not failing to keep left...may get some media attention methinks


I agree how many would be keen to do this you think maybe start a new thread???

[NOMIS]

[QUOTE=yungatart;1384576]Don't Auckland and Wellington have long weekends coming up?? A protest ride at 70 kph (or less) should make people sit up and take notice.




Auckland has the entire stretch over the bombays imagin hitting that at say 60kmph with a coupla hundred bikers over a long w.e imagine the traffic we could make, maybe thoes cock su***** will do sumthing about it after a bit of media attention.

[007XX]

It's alright mate, someone will lend youa Leopard skin loin cloth. Heaps of Deviants on KB.

You called? :innocent: :msn-wink:

Anyway, about a speed of 70kms...I can't see that helping in any way, unless there is a prior warning of the reason we would be doing this.

I found it hard enough, not to mention dangerous, to stick to that speed during my learner's period.

Let's be honnest, that restriction would be potentially unsafe and pointless as a sole rider, and if done as a group, cage drivers around would just get pissed off and miss the point entirely.

Sorry, I don't see what good it could achieve.

[mstriumph]

It's alright mate, someone will lend youa Leopard skin loin cloth. Heaps of Deviants on KB.
:eek5: but - but - you promised you'd never tell ...... :eek5:

[mowgli]

Auckland has the entire stretch over the bombays imagin hitting that at say 60kmph with a coupla hundred bikers over a long w.e imagine the traffic we could make, maybe thoes cock su***** will do sumthing about it after a bit of media attention.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


That was a joke right? Traffic over 60k leaving AK on a long weekend :2thumbsup

[slopster]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

[koba]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

Im sorry, your opinion does not conform.
You are to be executed.

No seriously it is a valid point.
I like the Idea of an "impeding the flow of traffic" style protest but there are a few negitives for me.
One is Altho I am against WRB's in stupid places (such as left side of lane) I do see a use for them. Concrete is always going to be better for us but sometimes they could be better than nothing.

The other issue is bags not being at the back!

I guess that shows that after some consideration: I still like the idea overall.:rockon:

[yungatart]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

I'd rather take my chances against any of the other things that you mentioned, rather than a cheesecutter.

And I don't see why we should have to settle on "better than nothing" when there are far better options for us out there.

I don't see that we should be considered bottom of the heap, or not considered at all, when it comes to decisons aboout road safety. After all, I pay taxes and registrations on 6 vehicles, and I deserve better! As do my fellow motorcyclists.

What is good for us on two wheels, is ultimately a shit load better for all those on 4 wheels as well!

[koba]

After all, I pay taxes and registrations on 6 vehicles, and I deserve better! As do my fellow motorcyclists.


Interesting point too, being generally more enthusispastic about our motors and the like would motorcyclists be much more likey to be paying multiple dips of rego too?

I have 2 cars and 3 road registerable bikes myself.

Only one is currenty legal tho...

[sunhuntin]

hehe...

pack of bikers traveling along mway.. wire barrier begins.. bikers get off bikes and start 'walking them' along the mway.... "too bloody dangerous to ride next to those things" humpf...

your post gave me an idea, good sir. would it be possible to form an auckland slow motorway ride the same weekend as the helicopter? i know i will be up there all weekend, and so likely with many others.

[DEATH_INC.]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?
Point taken, but as I've said before, you've gotta start somewhere. These things are unnecessarily dangerous and at too closer proximity to be ignored. Power poles are slowly disappearing as are a lot of roadside objects. We can't get rid of 'em all but we can minimize what is there and doesn't need to be that way. We're not asking them to remove the barriers, just make 'em safe or use safer one's. There are viable alternatives....

[Ixion]

Lamp-posts, power poles and the like are avoidable, even if one runs off road one can aim to miss them. Stone walls and fences are surviveable.

WRBs are neither avoidable, nor surviveable.

[James Deuce]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

They don't stop cars crossing the centre line. They absorb energy by stretching and can deform up to 4 metres if hit head on at 100km/hr. The installation guidelines take this into account and insist that they are this distance away from traffic on both sides. They are designed to be installed in a central reservation, not right next to a traffic flow on the centre line as they are installed in NZ.

Transit have installed them incorrectly and this installation methodology makes it more likely that a motorcyclist hitting them at open road speeds will die.

All we are asking is that if they have to use them, they use them according to the manufacturers instructions. It's not rocket science.

The 70km.hr limit has been proposed by my mate fatjim-who-is-about-as-fat-as-jim2 (the 2 stands for 2 people), because you are more likely to "only" lose limbs if you strike one obliquely, rather than just die, as you do at 100km.hr. These are not made up figures, but gathered from analysis of accidents involving motorcyclists in European countries who are now either cladding WRBs or removing them. Countries who actually care about an individual's life and potential contribution, rather than just writing them off as "special people" who deserve to die, if they even think about them at all.

[Big Dave]

Bad idea. You are heightening the accident risk for non participating riders trying to get past the mobile road block.

[mowgli]

I'm a bit of a late comer to this campaign (started riding in December) but have done some reading since. It appears to me that the best approach is to attack WRB from a cost point of view rather than safety. There has been some interesting study done in Australia (not sure how effective they've been) that shows, while WRB are marginally cheaper to install than concrete, the cost to maintain WRB is significantly higher. Also there is greater chance of injury from WRB leading to higher health system costs.

The study also notes that WRB are much less effective (or not at all) than concrete with some vehicles, namely motorbikes and trucks.

Concrete is a cheaper and more effective solution. If we could persuade an opposition MP to take up the cause and back it up with credible evidence then we could potentially make this an election issue.

Mr Dynhoven talks the talk. It's time for the opposition to call him on it.

[Deano]

There has been some interesting study done in Australia (not sure how effective they've been) that shows, while WRB are marginally cheaper to install than concrete, the cost to maintain WRB is significantly higher. Also there is greater chance of injury from WRB leading to higher health system costs.


Exactly. The thing is, the financial books look good this year at least don't they ?

And that's what the managers controlling the budgets and polly's want to show isn't it.

[mowgli]

Exactly. The thing is, the financial books look good this year at least don't they ?

And that's what the managers controlling the budgets and polly's want to show isn't it.

Ahhh yes but the opposition love showing how the polys are mis-spending public money on fool hardy projects (at least they used to).

I like this report the best.
Wire Rope “Un-safety” Barrier (WRUB) (http://www.network.mag-uk.org/barriers/WRB-reportV9.pdf)

[James Deuce]

Ahhh yes but the opposition love showing how the polys are mis-spending public money on fool hardy projects (at least they used to).

I like this report the best.
Wire Rope “Un-safety” Barrier (WRUB) (http://www.network.mag-uk.org/barriers/WRB-reportV9.pdf)

We don't have an "opposition".

[mowgli]

We don't have an "opposition".

Well then how about the media (Close UP, 20/20, 60 Minutes)? Oh that's right aunty helen told them to play nice or she'd take away their toys. Perhaps you're right - we don't have an opposition and we should consider ourselves privileged that the govt provides us with roads at all!

[Fatjim]

One thing Ireally admire about the french are their farmers. Those lads forced through changes by doing all sorts of things in Paris to piss people off.

Also, you don't have to block both lanes on a motorway to basically bring it to a screaming halt. The average Kiwi driver will cause enough congestion because of their selfishness and aggresiveness.

But if we really want these things gone, then pissing enough people off enough times WILL get the message accross. It would be literally a miracle if it was done any other way within the next 5 years.

[Delphinus]

If you're going to do the WRB stretch at 70k you'd have to warn car drivers thats WHY you're doing only 70.
Plan a route, and then put up signs before the WRB's saying "Danger, blah blah recommended safe speed 50-70k"

[Deano]

Ahhh yes but the opposition love showing how the polys are mis-spending public money on fool hardy projects

Ahh, yes, but I ain't listening to any "opposition" party propaganda - I'm going off my own research and interpretations....WTF

[Deano]

If you're going to do the WRB stretch at 70k you'd have to warn car drivers thats WHY you're doing only 70.
Plan a route, and then put up signs before the WRB's saying "Danger, blah blah recommended safe speed 50-70k"

Throw some dismembered manicans in amongst the WRB at strategic locations as well.....graphic, but so are the drink driving/speed kills advertisements...

[Katman]

Lamp-posts, power poles and the like are avoidable, even if one runs off road one can aim to miss them.


They are certainly not avoidable if you're down and sliding towards them at high speed. How many farm fences or power poles have claimed lives compared to WRBs?

[Katman]

And btw, I realise now that the original post is just a suggestion to try to piss people off - I therefore retract my support.

[MaxB]

Me Aunt lives in Paihia. Can you make it up there on that 'sowellhung'?
She may take excpetion to you pushing her beloved grand out the window - even more so than the fact I'd be waiting on the ground floor, arms open & waiting for the inevitable!

Arf Arf. Maybe I should tell you where I got this from.

When I was a kid in the 70s they (ACC?) were going round with this machine that demonstrated why it was good to wear a seatbelt. It was an inclined track with a car seat attached to it and a railway buffer at the bottom. It looked like a slide with a seat on top.

They were handing out leaflets and the black and white picture on the front showed someone pushing a piano from an office building onto someone standing below. The tagline was something like: " Remember not wearing your seatbelt when crashing at 50km/h is like......"

I had a go on the machine set for 50km/h and fark what an impact. The PC brigade would not let kids anywhere near it these days but I came out in a seat belt line of bruises from my shoulder to my hips. Great days.

[howdamnhard]

AGREED

Anyway, about a speed of 70kms...I can't see that helping in any way, unless there is a prior warning of the reason we would be doing this.

I found it hard enough, not to mention dangerous, to stick to that speed during my learner's period.

Let's be honnest, that restriction would be potentially unsafe and pointless as a sole rider, and if done as a group, cage drivers around would just get pissed off and miss the point entirely.

Sorry, I don't see what good it could achieve.[/QUOTE]

[James Deuce]

Sorry, I don't see what good it could achieve.

You'll live if you fall off riding next to them. You'll be missing bits, but alive.

I thought that was good? No?

[howdamnhard]

Your just as likely not to live if you have your limbs severed off,which apparently hitting cheesecutters 70 km/hr will do.



You'll live if you fall off riding next to them. You'll be missing bits, but alive.

I thought that was good? No?

[James Deuce]

In light of the previous post, I move that we drop the speed limit around WRBs to a voluntary 50 km/hr.

[Wasp27]

Now we all acknowledge (red bling me if you don't) that the Wire rope barriers are excessively dangerous to motocyclists.

I propose a volentry speed limit on any road with a WRB of 70kph. This certainly comes under "ride to the conditions, if they change reduce your speed". Exceeding 70k greatly increases the likelyhood of a gory death in these areas.

Absolutely brilliant idea FJ......have to agree with MSTRS about the Pack thingy though.....just too dangerous when you consider how some hot headed Cage drivers react :bash: to slower motorists, cheers W

[Wasp27]

AGREED

Anyway, about a speed of 70kms...I can't see that helping in any way, unless there is a prior warning of the reason we would be doing this.

I found it hard enough, not to mention dangerous, to stick to that speed during my learner's period.

Let's be honnest, that restriction would be potentially unsafe and pointless as a sole rider, and if done as a group, cage drivers around would just get pissed off and miss the point entirely.

Sorry, I don't see what good it could achieve.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...I agree, it's much better to do nothing. Just as a matter of interest....what colours the sky in your world:whistle:

[Toaster]

Exceeding 70k greatly increases the likelyhood of a gory death in these areas.

You mean we have speed limits???!!! :gob:

I thought the lovely police were just extra-safety conscious and wanted to escort me home en-mass then provide me with a free weetbix meal and lodging for the night. They have such a pinache for minimalist decor! I am sure I saw the words AUTOBAHN near a BP and could do whatever speed I liked and to heck with the consequences.

But seriously... it's nice to hear an admission that increased speed increases risk to the rider. Simple physics.... it takes longer to stop and hurts more when you hit something.

Plently if RIP threads prove that point.

[Fatjim]

.just too dangerous when you consider how some hot headed Cage drivers react :bash: to slower motorists, cheers W

Fuck mate, I've got a car or two, and so do some other riders. I would quite happily form a buffer between the bikes and other cages just for safetys sake, plus I could stock the car with baseball bats incase someone got really antsey.

[Delphinus]

Fuck mate, I've got a car or two, and so do some other riders. I would quite happily form a buffer between the bikes and other cages just for safetys sake, plus I could stock the car with baseball bats incase someone got really antsey.

With signage on the back of the vehicle showing why you're going that slow...

[yungatart]

Fuck mate, I've got a car or two, and so do some other riders. I would quite happily form a buffer between the bikes and other cages just for safetys sake, plus I could stock the car with baseball bats incase someone got really antsey.

+1...dunno about the baseball bats..never was any good at sport.


With signage on the back of the vehicle showing why you're going that slow...

Can do!

[skelstar]

Riding slow around WRB infront of politicians and policy makers makes sense, but riding around like an annoying slow cunt infront of people that technically don't make policy strikes me as a little futile.

However if you do manage to raise the publics awareness despite them fucked off that they can't get to their skim milk lattes ...realistically whats going to happen then?

I haven't taken a very pro-active role in this campain, but I would imagine a less obstructive/intrusive (?) protest would be better.

Anyone else see the irony in intentionally riding near the things we should be avoiding in the first place?

[MSTRS]

Riding slow around WRB infront of politicians and policy makers makes sense, but riding around like an annoying slow cunt infront of people that technically don't make policy strikes me as a little futile.

However if you do manage to raise the publics awareness despite them fucked off that they can't get to their skim milk lattes ...realistically whats going to happen then?

I haven't taken a very pro-active role in this campain, but I would imagine a less obstructive/intrusive (?) protest would be better.

Anyone else see the irony in intentionally riding near the things we should be avoiding in the first place?

*grabs nose and drags over to the light*
There are many facets to this campaign. One of those is civil disruption. Handled properly, those pissed-off cagers will add their voices to ours for removal of cheesecutters, but for different reasons. Some will 'get it', especially those that see the Falcon photo, but the rest may just want them gone because of how they 'cause delays, and I need to get to (where-ever)'

[skelstar]

So you'd be similarly sympathetic to cyclists holding you up/traffic up for an equally valid reason?

[MSTRS]

So you'd be similarly sympathetic to cyclists holding you up/traffic up for an equally valid reason?

Are you KAtman in another life?

[Pwalo]

*grabs nose and drags over to the light*
There are many facets to this campaign. One of those is civil disruption. Handled properly, those pissed-off cagers will add their voices to ours for removal of cheesecutters, but for different reasons. Some will 'get it', especially those that see the Falcon photo, but the rest may just want them gone because of how they 'cause delays, and I need to get to (where-ever)'

That's a bit arrogant. You're sounding like Greenpeace now.

[MSTRS]

That's a bit arrogant. You're sounding like Greenpeace now.

Thanks mate!:killingme:bleh:

[skelstar]

*grabs nose and drags over to the light*


Are you KAtman in another life?

Just trying to work out which one is more insulting.

[Katman]

Just trying to work out which one is more insulting.

I know - though I'm rather more insulted by the second one to be honest.:msn-wink:

[Ixion]

Riding slow around WRB infront of politicians and policy makers makes sense, but riding around like an annoying slow cunt infront of people that technically don't make policy strikes me as a little futile.

However if you do manage to raise the publics awareness despite them fucked off that they can't get to their skim milk lattes ...realistically whats going to happen then?

I haven't taken a very pro-active role in this campain, but I would imagine a less obstructive/intrusive (?) protest would be better.

Anyone else see the irony in intentionally riding near the things we should be avoiding in the first place?

That is why there are TWO fronts on the CC war. The high profile raising public awareness one, through KB.

And the low profile one , harrassing the policy makers , through BRONZ.

Get 'em coming AND going. Support whichever works for you. Or both.

[Katman]

Some will 'get it', especially those that see the Falcon photo, but the rest may just want them gone because of how they 'cause delays, and I need to get to (where-ever)'

And some might just say "Fuckin' motorcyclists, just wait till the next one tries to overtake me - I'll show the fucker".

[James Deuce]

But this thread is now the coolest troll ever.

Fatjim - I'm proud mate. This is one of the best in the history of the Intardnet.

I think I may cry. Sniffle, Sob. Waaaaah....

So beautiful.....

[Fatjim]

Well were is my fucking bling you prick!

[MadDuck]

hehe...

pack of bikers traveling along mway.. wire barrier begins.. bikers get off bikes and start 'walking them' along the mway.... "too bloody dangerous to ride next to those things" humpf...

Now that would be damn funny. Only problem is when its time to stop for a ciggy break....

[crashe]

Who has the huge sign that was put on the back of the ute on the 'cheescutter ride' ?????? As that is a great sign.

If ropes can be attached to each end of it and a heavy weight along the bottom of it...(to stop it flapping up and not being able to be read) and then hung over the side of the overbridges for a short period every day....

All that is needed is two or maybe three people to hold it up for a short period during peak traffic and again during non peak time. Dissappear before the police arrive after the council objects..

the drivers will see the sign......... and then it will sink in to them as well.


To hang a sign up on a over bridge in the city you do need AK council permission.... then they allocate you which overbridge to use. Usually the bridge near the university.

But being the motorway, that comes under Transit NZ...... so doubtful that they would give permission.

Hence why Im saying whip it up there for 30 minutes everyday at different times on different overbridges near the WRB's.

This is just a wee suggestion.

[howdamnhard]

Ok, the original quote was made by 007xx and I unfortuneately did not erase the last line.I do not like cheese cutters and think they should be removed but riding at 70km/h in a 100km/h zone every time you go past them will just get you killed.If you want to do it as a group then you need to have some signage or something to indicate why you are(proper protest) otherwise you will just piss other road users and lose support.:headbang:





Yeah...I agree, it's much better to do nothing. Just as a matter of interest....what colours the sky in your world:whistle:[/QUOTE]

[90s]

I found it hard enough, not to mention dangerous, to stick to that speed during my learner's period.

Let's be honnest, that restriction would be potentially unsafe and pointless as a sole rider, and if done as a group, cage drivers around would just get pissed off and miss the point entirely.

+1.

I put myself at risk only if the benefit is clear, and here I don't think there is anything that is not counterproductive at any level.

Risk of injury might be reduced but risk of being involved in an accident will become much more likely.

Back to the drawing board.

[James Deuce]

You guys are hilarious!

Still haven't mastered this "Internet" thing, have we?

[Kittyhawk]

Regardless of what is going to be classified as a "barrier" in the middle of the road, if something is moving, and something is stationary, and one hits into the other damage will be done at any speed...

You could be walking along and trip ass overhead on a concrete kerb and still do damage to yourself....based on personal experience..

Its a risk you take when you ride on the road...it may not be barriers which suddenly come out and hit you....could be something else.

[James Deuce]

Is it possible to be so gobsmacked that your undies explode spontaneously?

[rok-the-boat]

Sheesh, I can't believe it, bikers proposing a go slow. Whatever next. Just ride carefully. And you know what, you can ride carefully at 160kph = 100mph. You have to know how to be careful - wake up! If you're worried about the barrier, you shouldn't be on the bike as it'll be dangerous to you no matter how slow you go. Ride carefully and the barrier is not even there.

[Jiminy]

I found it hard enough, not to mention dangerous, to stick to that speed during my learner's period.

Let's be honnest, that restriction would be potentially unsafe and pointless as a sole rider, and if done as a group, cage drivers around would just get pissed off and miss the point entirely.

Sorry, I don't see what good it could achieve.

Couldn't agree more. That would only piss off cagers and turn them against us. We want them *with* us in this campaign.

What about some standard, clear protest signs that anyone could put on his/her bike? If we all have them, then people will start noticing them and be aware of the issue. The sign doesn't even need to be readable by cagers while riding, it just should be recognisable enough. Sure thing, any driver will read it one day on a parked motorbike. If they keep noticing it, they might start thinking that it's an important issue.

[007XX]

Is it possible to be so gobsmacked that your undies explode spontaneously?

If it is, can I come and watch?...that sounds hilarious!


Couldn't agree more. That would only piss off cagers and turn them against us. We want them *with* us in this campaign.

What about some standard, clear protest signs that anyone could put on his/her bike? If we all have them, then people will start noticing them and be aware of the issue. The sign doesn't even need to be readable by cagers while riding, it just should be recognisable enough. Sure thing, any driver will read it one day on a parked motorbike. If they keep noticing it, they might start thinking that it's an important issue.

That's not a bad idea Jiminy :niceone:

The fact of the matter is: you can't make people care...it is only through patient education and awareness campaigns that we will be able to get anywhere on the subject.

Making a nuisance out of ourselves will only do our cause harm in the long run.

[James Deuce]

6 pages. I can't take it any more.

It was a joke, you know, fishing, trolling.

Hook, line, and sinker. Half the boat too I think.

[Ixion]

Many a true word said in jest

It could be called the Jim2 Memorial Ride.

[James Deuce]

As you wish. ;)