*URGENT* Please help *URGENT*

[Colapop]

I need to remove a video I posted (of the concrete pour) on Youtube. How do I do this? I need to get this remove urgently!


I won't go into too much depth other than to say my boss hads taken exception to it being posted.

[nodrog]

I need to remove a video I posted (of the concrete pour) on Youtube. How do I do this? I need to get this remove urgently!


I won't go into too much depth other than to say my boss hads taken exception to it being posted.

fly a plane into the youtube main server.

um you naughty boy:spanking:

[bugjuice]

get it on the news, then youtube will be issued a court injunction to remove it

how about asking youtube?

http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=55770&topic=10530

[erik]

http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=55770&topic=10530

[FlangMasterJ]

fly a plane into the youtube main server.

um you naughty boy:spanking:

LOL!

Shouldn't you be able to go into your user control panel and remove it?

[Macktheknife]

Why is it a problem?
Does it show a body being dumped in the hole first?
OSH breaches of significant nature?
A bit of him shagging the secretary in the background?

I never knew concrete could be so controversial....
lol

[Colapop]

Done and done. Chain of command needs to be followed. When your boss uses a term like gross breach of contract, it's freaks you out a bit...

[nodrog]

Done and done. Chain of command needs to be followed. When your boss uses a term like gross breach of contract, it's freaks you out a bit...

he sounds like a barrel of fun

[gijoe1313]

Crapola! :gob: So what if a bystanding pedestrian took a video of it and did that? Would your boss have jumped on their necks?

:oi-grr: I guess your company must have been using state of the art secret concrete pouring techniques ... or that hes been cutting corners and you actually got it on tape? :scratch:

Hope you don't get fired over this! :pinch: :sick: quick~ whats the link so I can have a looky!

Found it :devil2: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=colapop&search=Search&session=aIfS2HCrj6hXEovbUDHMxL2qGAu31EMRdAOD_PHszg i71cgw_2yeA1qJQeXlA0KD58GSDNYd2K8mmSUQeeriHomMwOdL eUOWXcgxwQGQealqOxgKs5EFopqKr0yITvrYPRzQMnWsPOc-dqaCkTzIKfLiInMo2TSmO0Gaf8149UR7gbrGhMMCUea-JqXE_PBgUwkG3XQDEJFHLwzDJgGS-4Y68CsfIJ5K_9uS2X9BeRFtxaeRuTyle56WT-SUGq7yiK7AkrOegBGH6LxVfIkP4ZVKDVmQT2wp4uUf-nwHZkI=

must have worked, cause it aint now! :whistle:

[Colapop]

At least I'm doing something useful - the bricks I'm crapping may be able to be used for building something...

[Flatcap]

Done and done. Chain of command needs to be followed. When your boss uses a term like gross breach of contract, it's freaks you out a bit...


I would be very surprised if your contract mentions anything about internet publishing - you should have threatened a PG - that would shut him up

[gijoe1313]

Jeez, you try and make a subject entertaining like the pouring of concrete and then some higher power to be muckity muck decides he wants your arse on a platter ...

[bugjuice]

could have at least posted a link before you took it off

[Skunk]

The still for the vid looks cool. Hope you can post it up again. I'd be keen to see it. Couldn't get there on the day.

[Ixion]

Shit, I didn't realise that videos like that could be so contentious. I was going to post up one of my paint drying , but I don't think I better, it might start a riot.

[007XX]

Done and done. Chain of command needs to be followed. When your boss uses a term like gross breach of contract, it's freaks you out a bit...

Oh bugger Hun...we all get caught going too far sometimes...ask Jrandom! :lol: :dodge:

[Fatjim]

i guess your boss doesn't like homo hugs either.

[Laava]

Plus he must be a lazy fucker spending all his time on you tube!

[Colapop]

In a word .... NO.

[Oakie]

At least I'm doing something useful - the bricks I'm crapping may be able to be used for building something...

If he decides to take it further just post something up here. There are a few of us on here who know about Employment Law and that exciting stuff and will be able to help. The important thing for a start is just to take notes on anything that is said and not be rail-roaded into a meeting about it at say 5 minutes notice. Try to make it the next day if it comes to that but if you've removed the vid and apologised you'd hope that it wouldn't go any further.

[Ixion]

Unless your contract contains a very explicit clause forbidding such stuff, an employer would have difficulty making any disciplinary charge stick (I assume you *have* read your contract ? ).

If your contract says "You must not ever post photos or anything else about us pouring concrete in public media" , then yes, boss has a point.

But if he's just relying ton the general good faith, loyalty and confidentiality stuff, I doubt he's got a case. (Giving your reasonable efforts to comply with his objections) .

Oh, and if things do start going pear shaped, do not agree to a meeting without a union representative , or lawyer present.

If you get called into a meeting , not knowing whats going to happen, and it starts getting bad, politley say that you do not wish to continue the meeting any furtherr until you have reprensentation

[imdying]

Out of interest, what about the video did he take exception to?

[Colapop]

I don't think the video itself is objectionable more the fact that the chain of command was not followed in regard to media distribution. I'm trying not to sweat about it too much. I'm no angel - I've done shit when I was younger that got my ass fired several times and this just bring ups painful memories and makes you question yourself etc.

Thanks for the support and tips for resolution. I've sent an email to my bosses expressing my apologies and stated that it was a regrettable mistkae, all I can do is wait for Tuesday's meeting.

[sAsLEX]

Unless your contract contains a very explicit clause forbidding such stuff, an employer would have difficulty making any disciplinary charge stick (I assume you *have* read your contract ? ).


Don't think I have ever even seen mine!?

I had to get my parents to sign part of mine as I was a wee bit young!

[Drum]

That wanker needs to pull his head in Col.

[limbimtimwim]

Whoa,

The American military allows footage taken by it's soldiers killing towel-heads go all over youtube, but your employer doesn't allow concrete pouring?

Big, bad companies.

[Colapop]

Yeah well, the other thing is that I haven't been here 3 months yet so it may come under a probationary period. In which case I may well be fucked. It's all speculation at this stage though so there's no sense in panicking... just yet...

[007XX]

Yeah well, the other thing is that I haven't been here 3 months yet so it may come under a probationary period. In which case I may well be fucked. It's all speculation at this stage though so there's no sense in panicking... just yet...

Got my fingers and toes crossed for you hun...:hug:

[Str8 Jacket]

Yeah well, the other thing is that I haven't been here 3 months yet so it may come under a probationary period. In which case I may well be fucked. It's all speculation at this stage though so there's no sense in panicking... just yet...

Nope, I dont think they can.... I went through some shit at my job in Dec just before Xmas and I had only been here since 1 Oct.... Long story short, (cause I cant remember what the deal was) they cant actually get rid of you "just like that". You have to have done something that would fall under Serious Misconduct in your contract. They can only give you a warning.... I'm sure someone else will be along witt the facts....

Just try not to hug them eh!

[sAsLEX]

Whoa,

The American military allows footage taken by it's soldiers killing towel-heads go all over youtube, but your employer doesn't allow concrete pouring?

Big, bad companies.

The British military released the gun cam footage of the second Apache, where the first had two Marines riding shotgun on the weapons pylons to get a fallen comrade, on youtube.

[sAsLEX]

Nope, I dont think they can.... I went through some shit at my job in Dec just before Xmas and I had only been here since 1 Oct.... Long story short, (cause I cant remember what the deal was) they cant actually get rid of you "just like that". You have to have done something that would fall under Serious Misconduct in your contract. They can only give you a warning.... I'm sure someone else will be along witt the facts....

Just try not to hug them eh!

remember the Plumber in Tauranga who sacked a worker cause the kid drew swastikas and other Nazi shit on the home of a Jewish survivor of the war, the plumber ended up getting in trouble in the courts.

You have the power Colapop.......

[Skunk]

Yeah well, the other thing is that I haven't been here 3 months yet so it may come under a probationary period. In which case I may well be fucked. It's all speculation at this stage though so there's no sense in panicking... just yet...
No such thing as "probation period". You're employed full time or you're on a set period contract. No grey areas and allowed anymore.

As you say: wait for the meeting and see what happens. They should just tell you you're a naughty boy and to go to their room...

[Oakie]

Yeah. Probation period doesn't really mean much. It's really just a period that allows for more intense scrutiny of the employee and to allow for regular meetings regarding performance and improvements required. You can't just get the biff at the end of it just because they're a bit pissed off. They still need to have gone through a process just the same as they would for any other long term employee.
They do need to have told you what the meeting on Tuesday is about, that you are entitled to have a support person with you and what the possible consequences of the meeting could be. If they haven't done those then they're probably already in PG territory.
Hopefully it'll just be a smack on the hand though. Been there, done that, had a weekend to worry. Not fun.

[Oakie]

No such thing as "probation period".

http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/factsheets/guide-to-probation-periods.html

[Str8 Jacket]

You can't just get the biff at the end of it just because they're a bit pissed off. They still need to have gone through a process just the same as they would for any other long term employee.
They do need to have told you what the meeting on Tuesday is about, that you are entitled to have a support person with you and what the possible consequences of the meeting could be. If they haven't done those then they're probably already in PG territory.
Hopefully it'll just be a smack on the hand though. Been there, done that, had a weekend to worry. Not fun.

Yep, he's correct! AND if your work for a "big" corporation then they will not risk a PG. I rection you'll be OK Col. But I still wont give you a hug.

[tri boy]

It will blow over very quickly. (the issue, not the building).
Your boss is just suggesting to ask permission next time. Albeit, in a very clumsy, slightly rude way.
(secretly, he's probably impressed by the interest you have shown). No harm done.;)

[imdying]

The British military released the gun cam footage of the second Apache, where the first had two Marines riding shotgun on the weapons pylons to get a fallen comrade, on youtube.No shjt?? Anyone else and I'd assume they got the chopper model wrong... but I doubt you'd mess that up... got a link? I definitely wanna see that!!!

[Skunk]

http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/factsheets/guide-to-probation-periods.html
Hmmm. Cheers. Interesting. It must be agreed too in writing at the start of employment.

Advise I received is that the Employment Court won't recognise probation periods. Must be wrong; damn word of mouth lawyers...

[Oakie]

No shjt?? Anyone else and I'd assume they got the chopper model wrong... but I doubt you'd mess that up... got a link? I definitely wanna see that!!!

Yeah that was about 3 months or so back. The guy they went back for was dead as it turned out but it made good propaganda.

[Ixion]

Hmmm. Cheers. Interesting. It must be agreed too in writing at the start of employment.

Advise I received is that the Employment Court won't recognise probation periods. Must be wrong; damn word of mouth lawyers...

The courts look at them with a very suspicious eye.

There are cases where a probationary period is appropriate. Disabled employees is one example.

But the courts have repeatedly signalled that they will not permit a probationary period to be used as a means to evade the intent of the ECA.

A probationary period means "we're not sure if you'll be able to do this job but we'll give you a fair try". Not " We can sack you whenever we want for any reason".

Note that all the procedural requirements for fair dealing still apply during a probationary period. In particular, if the employer considers that "it's not working" they must discuss this with the employyee and make reaosnable efforts to make it work, including support, training etc.


"Probationary" and "trial" periods have notoriously been abused by unscrupulous employers. hence the suspicion with which they are viewed.

[Oakie]

Advise I received is that the Employment Court won't recognise probation periods. Must be wrong; damn word of mouth lawyers...

Misunderstanding I guess. They do recognise them but not as a means of terminating a person's employment.

[dickytoo]

No shjt?? Anyone else and I'd assume they got the chopper model wrong... but I doubt you'd mess that up... got a link? I definitely wanna see that!!!

i think the poms are using apaches in aghanistan - probably on loan or something.

[Coldrider]

There's a shortage of project managers, plus there's the dominion post.

Good luck Cola

[Big Dave]

You just go to 'my videos' and delete it?

[crazybigal]

its in the public eye, anyone could film it!
hes full of brown concrete


Done and done. Chain of command needs to be followed. When your boss uses a term like gross breach of contract, it's freaks you out a bit...

[ManDownUnder]

I understand the problem is now dealt with... not sure if it's useful to beat it to death in here too...

[sAsLEX]

No shjt?? Anyone else and I'd assume they got the chopper model wrong... but I doubt you'd mess that up... got a link? I definitely wanna see that!!!
Phew memory was right!
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[Oakie]

By coincidence, I finished the last 20 minutes today at work by reading an HR magazine. In it was an article about people putting stuff to do with their company on the 'net. Many different actual cases were covered from here and overseas. There are quite a few different things to take into account in cases like these so you can't really judge it on face value. Where people have got into trouble though and stuff has gone to the courts, the courts have generally supported the employee.

[Colapop]

I understand the problem is now dealt with... not sure if it's useful to beat it to death in here too...
I'm happy for the discussion to be had. While my situation is in hand, the resultant info of this thread has value - maybe not to me but it may help someone else.

[imdying]

Phew memory was right!Bugger that!!! :2thumbsup

[vagrant]

i think the poms are using apaches in aghanistan - probably on loan or something.

Nope, they bought them a while ago. Assembled at the AugustaWestlands factory in Yeovil, Somerset.

[sAsLEX]

Nope, they bought them a while ago. Assembled at the AugustaWestlands factory in Yeovil, Somerset.

I do love the new Air Force adds showing our new nH90s........

[sAsLEX]

Bugger that!!! :2thumbsup

You should talk to some of the British Marines. They loving being out there and doing the shit most people would rather avoid at all costs, they are a little bit "special" in that way!


A number suggested such heroism was nothing out of the ordinary for the marines. One former sailor calling himself “Ancient Mariner” wrote: “I believe it’s covered in week 7 of the [Royal Marines’] course at Lympstone [Devon], just after the ‘leaping over tall buildings in a single bound’ module and before they learn to make bullets bounce off their chest.”

A former marine, posting as Old Booty, added that the medals were unimportant. “What is worth more, to become a corps’ legend and go down in history as ‘one of those nutters on the Apaches’, or a medal?”

And the guys who had the biggest balls didn't get recognised as much as the pilots.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2414747.ece

[Colapop]

Thread thievers!!


(just coz it's better)

[Oakie]

Thread thievers!! (just coz it's better)

How about you give them a written warning for putting this stuff on your internet thread without getting your permission first?

[sAsLEX]

How about you give them a written warning for putting this stuff on your internet thread without getting your permission first?

I mistakenly bought a new beer tonight, I saw wheat beer and after being in Europe, Switzerland in paticular had a few nice ones, I thought I would try this Speights attempt! Except when I get home I see that its Apricot flavoured! Arrggghhhh not too bad though, a bit sweet.

[Steam]

Apricot flavoured!

YUK! Fruit-flavoured beers are not yummy. I dunno why beer companies try them again and again, there has NEVER been a successful fruit-flavoured beer in New Zealand.

You meant to post that in the Beer thread eh?

[Conquiztador]

Concrete pouring!! I was searching high and low to find it. But obviously it has been deleted. I was sooo dissappointed. There is nothing like concrete to give you a hard-un...

[Colapop]

The offending material was removed less than 20 minutes after the boss rang.

[Manxman]

At least I'm doing something useful - the bricks I'm crapping may be able to be used for building something...

...er, a brick sh*thouse:niceone:

[Kittyhawk]

:girlfight:What I want to know is how did the boss find out about the clip?

Was there a camera person standing there filming at the time of the process when the boss was there?

Dosent seem like your fault at all, theres alot of outside factors here...

What was the boss doing on youtube during work hours?

He can not fire you on the basis of this clip if its not stipulated in your contact. How can you breach something that's not stated in a legal contract?

There are laws in place to protect employees from employers who try take their employees for granted. Weather its personal or professional dislikes this law is in place for a reason.

No such thing as a probation period, a performance review in 3 or 6 months etc is usually acceptable but no actual probation.

Legally you can not be instantly dismissed unless you breach your contract or the NZ law (sections of it are sometimes stated in the organisations' contracts)

2 verbal warnings 1 written and then dismissal, (I think) this procedure is in place to protect employees.

If a person who is not employeed within the organisation, made this clip then distributed it for public view, THEY are the ones who are in breach of the law due to the privacy act.

Unions can be handy at a time like this, if you are in a union talk to ya rep. If its a smaller organisation, take it up with Employment court.

Good luck for Tues babe.:hug:

[Colapop]

The camrea was set up on an adjacent building taking a frame every 30 seconds. The resultant frames were spliced into a movie clip. The clip was sent through to a one of the guys at work who could not view it only having Windows Media Player (the file is in .mov format) and I could view it in Quicktime. I got the clip and couldn't convert it to .wmv for all to see so I posted it to Youtube. Then I cut and pasted the url and sent it to all site staff including the boss. I did this so that all would be able to view it easily and for no other reason.

I accept that I made a mistake and will deal with it on Tuesday.

[Oakie]

...er, a brick sh*thouse:niceone:
...or more appropriately, a shitted brick house....

[Kittyhawk]

Just put out for your boss, and all will be sweet:buggerd:

[Patch]

The camrea was set up on an adjacent building taking a frame every 30 seconds. The resultant frames were spliced into a movie clip. The clip was sent through to a one of the guys at work who could not view it only having Windows Media Player (the file is in .mov format) and I could view it in Quicktime. I got the clip and couldn't convert it to .wmv for all to see so I posted it to Youtube. Then I cut and pasted the url and sent it to all site staff including the boss. I did this so that all would be able to view it easily and for no other reason.

I accept that I made a mistake and will deal with it on Tuesday.

Just stick exactly to that story and just repeat it, if asked any questions, maybe throw in, how technology changes so quickly and is confusing at times - also gives some room to upskill you so this doesn't happen again (a point that the boss will look at)

He can't fire you for an honest mistake. Media and court will have the company for lunch if he does. Ask for the meeting to be in writing (nicely, state for your records and reflection) as well. Verbal means shit, also he won't abuse you in writing.

Have to be real careful posting stuff aquired from or on company time.

[Colapop]

Oh hell yes!! The company cannot beat me up any more than I have myself. I feel like it was just such a dumb mistake for the sake of not asking first...

[Mekk]

My employment contract (and policies and procedures guide) states that misrepresenting the company in any form is considered serious misconduct. It also mentions that nobody is allowed to say anything to the media (I assume that means youtube too) without the expressed permission from either the CEO, General Manager or other persons trained in media handling.

It's fair enough too, really. If I was running a company I wouldn't want someone on the front line bagging the whole service to the media hounds. It's not a good look and would likely hurt sales.

Even if it's amusing, a good general rule to follow is to leave work with work and anything else to playtime. I figure biting the hand that feeds you isn't the way to succeed.

EDIT: Having just read the outline of the video, that's a general mistake and I don't think you should be too hard on yourself. It wasn't the best decision but at least you're problem solving.

[Patch]

after you touched your toes, which cheek did ya hav slapped?? for ya littl' :Oops:

[Colapop]

I'M STILL EMPLOYED! (by the same company I was last week!)

The big boss came in... at 2 pm on Tuesday (public hol Monday here) and was actually really good about things. He said that the reason behind the the problem was twofold. 1. Obviously the unauthorised release of information to the public. Fair enough - the company has been prosecuted by OSH before for safety breaches that were shown in pictures taken from a site. 2. I disregarded my immediate bosses authority - which he took offence to. I rode roughshod over his status as "The Boss" (of the site) All in all a storm in a teacup.

Yes I beat myself up probably more than I should have but the manner in which the site boss spoke to me left me of the opinion he wanted to fire me - that was his tone. He is a "Shoot first, wander over, put two more in the corpse, kick it, then not bother asking questions" kinda guy. Not altogether professional but that's his manner. I just have to learn to work around him (or with him)

So all is well in Colapopville! Yay me! Thanks for all the help and support (again) Colapop

[Drum]

Good result mate.

I thought you might be used to that personality type (given your work history). :shifty:

[Sully60]

Mate, good time for me to pipe up about this now but the simple fact is you would've never been fired despite what your immediate boss is like.

You probably know how hard it is to find good people at your level of managment in the industry without taking someone good off the tools or poaching them.

A good leader knows who to keep on the team despite any "shortcomings". Probably got a rise watching you squirm though!

[sweetp]

glad to see it was a good outcome for you Col. I didn't see this thread till today but would have offered to come along if you needed a support person or just someone to chat it over. I am in HR and would be happy to help (for a hug....)

[Patch]

Your boss sounds like a right cock - kinda reminds me of someone we had at MooreWilsons eh, Licky Pop :laugh:

[Oakie]

He is a "Shoot first, wander over, put two more in the corpse, kick it, then not bother asking questions" kinda guy. Not altogether professional but that's his manner. I just have to learn to work around him (or with him)

Ha ha. Well you better hope he doesn't read that then.

[Colapop]

Your boss sounds like a right cock - kinda reminds me of someone we had at MooreWilsons eh, Licky Pop :laugh:
You had to go there didn't ya??!!!?? I may have had a personality clash with one or two of "La Familia"

For the rest of you... he knows some of my past... Oooo spooky...

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

FFS the guy needs to get a life. Positive publicity - how anal can you get - get them to put in writing their objections - and post it on here cos I'd be damned interested how or why they would get upset. Only thing that comes to mind and has been mentioned above - is cutting corners etc.
All the best and don't waste time worrying about it. A fanstastic employment lawyer is Peter Cullen!
Hugs to you.

[Mekk]

FFS the guy needs to get a life. Positive publicity - how anal can you get - get them to put in writing their objections - and post it on here cos I'd be damned interested how or why they would get upset. Only thing that comes to mind and has been mentioned above - is cutting corners etc.
All the best and don't waste time worrying about it. A fanstastic employment lawyer is Peter Cullen!
Hugs to you.

I think you'll find most companies have that kind of policy. It's understandable really.

Running to lawyers, ugh...is this the answer to everyone's problems these days?!

[Patch]

You had to go there didn't ya??!!!?? I may have had a personality clash with one or two of "La Familia"

For the rest of you... he knows some of my past... Oooo spooky...

crikey, wasn't that hard in that enviroment to piss someone off - just goes to show, doesn't matter where you work, what you do, how old you get - there is always going to be some idiot ready to knock ya when they get the chance, just because . . .


kinda like here really. The good ones are becoming far an fewer, the rest are just self-opinated prats.

[Oakie]

get them to put in writing their objections - and post it on here cos I'd be damned interested how or why they would get upset.

Umm, putting work stuff up here is how he got in trouble in the first place.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Basically your boss' itty bitty ego was hurt - typical!

What happened to freedom of speech = oh that's right we have a dictatorship in this country!!