Harley vs Jappa Who will win,,,,,,,,

[Streetwise]

Hello all i have recently jumped the ditch and have found an interesting challange being put forward to me. Im looking to buy a bike and as i work in the realm of harleys everything i look at i get a rather large amount of grief about jappa,s.... So i put forward a wee bet to the man with the fastest harley at my work place. Now this is where it gets interesting as his bike has a 124" S&S aftermarket engine in it with all the bells and whistles.... Im looking at either a 07 Z1000 or a 07 FZ1. " who do you think will win "
We are talking 1/4 mile drag..

[jafar]

Hello all i have recently jumped the ditch and have found an interesting challange being put forward to me. Im looking to buy a bike and as i work in the realm of harleys everything i look at i get a rather large amount of grief about jappa,s.... So i put forward a wee bet to the man with the fastest harley at my work place. Now this is where it gets interesting as his bike has a 124" S&S aftermarket engine in it with all the bells and whistles.... Im looking at either a 07 Z1000 or a 07 FZ1. " who do you think will win "
We are talking 1/4 mile drag..

I'm guessing he will, but it will come down to the rider on the day:wari:

[98tls]

Hello all i have recently jumped the ditch and have found an interesting challange being put forward to me. Im looking to buy a bike and as i work in the realm of harleys everything i look at i get a rather large amount of grief about jappa,s.... So i put forward a wee bet to the man with the fastest harley at my work place. Now this is where it gets interesting as his bike has a 124" S&S aftermarket engine in it with all the bells and whistles.... Im looking at either a 07 Z1000 or a 07 FZ1. " who do you think will win "
We are talking 1/4 mile drag.. Interesting:mellow:Have seen a few bloody quick Harleys down the 1/4,is his street driven or purpose built?,if a street ridden Harley i will go with the FZI if its a purpose built Harley then will go with that.

[Jantar]

I will be interested to see the result. However a drag race tells you nothing about how the bikes will ride on the road.

[Streetwise]

Its a road harley.. mmmmmmmm sounds like it should be interesting.

[NighthawkNZ]

Interesting:mellow:Have seen a few bloody quick Harleys down the 1/4,is his street driven or purpose built?,if a street ridden Harley i will go with the FZI if its a purpose built Harley then will go with that.

I would agree there... both bikes need to be in the same class before you call it a fair race...

A purpose built harley and a purpose built jappa for the quarter mile then it would be a different story. an S&S aftermarket engine isn't exactly a stock Harely is it..

As for the above, do a series of tests...

1/4 Mile.
Hill Climb.
Track.

[Streetwise]

Has anyone ridden the FZ1 and if so are they any good. I like the look and fit but didnt have time to take it out for a ride.

[98tls]

Its a road harley.. mmmmmmmm sounds like it should be interesting. If you come second tell him round 2 is over your favourite twistys.

[Streetwise]

I guess im not fussed about a fair race i was standing up for the jappas in the group. My work world is harley and the people are all harley, But i think on most new large cc bukes i will give him a run for his 30000.

[jafar]

Its a road harley.. mmmmmmmm sounds like it should be interesting.

Harley with a 124" S&S motor isn't going to be slow, you could have picked your fight a bit better :lol:

[Streetwise]

If you come second tell him round 2 is over your favourite twistys.

haha to true

[98tls]

Has anyone ridden the FZ1 and if so are they any good. I like the look and fit but didnt have time to take it out for a ride. Awsome bike.Take one for a ride,really just a comfy R1.:shutup:well pretty bloody close anyway.

[Streetwise]

Harley with a 124" S&S motor isn't going to be slow, you could have picked your fight a bit better :lol:

yes i know but im not one to back out of a challange. Its still only a harley after all.:msn-wink:

[Paul in NZ]

" who do you think will win " ..

A better question to ask is...

Who do you think will care? Will it change anything?

[Streetwise]

A better question to ask is...

Who do you think will care? Will it change anything?


Well mmmmmm yes it will in my world. :niceone:

[jafar]

yes i know but im not one to back out of a challange. Its still only a harley after all.:msn-wink:

Oh man you are so screwed:shit:He is on a rapid bike & you havn't even got one yet :doh: far less run it in.. :laugh:
Can I get $5.00 on the harley :bleh:

[98tls]

yes i know but im not one to back out of a challange. Its still only a harley after all.:msn-wink: Careful mate over the years the Harley riding"fuck the world,live to ride blah blah blah" types have turned into new age men and gathered a posse of never ridden anything but just turned 45 and got divorced so i will buy a Harley ride 3kms and sit outside the cafe all day sweating in my leathers types and there really sensitive to getting shit from the guys they used to look down on,besides risking a swipe from there tassles they will attack you with :shit:red bling:laugh:

[Streetwise]

Oh man you are so screwed:shit:He is on a rapid bike & you havn't even got one yet :doh: far less run it in.. :laugh:
Can I get $5.00 on the harley :bleh:


haha fair call, didnt think of that. mind you im still sure that the bike i buy will do it me, But thanks for the bet ill consider the odds.

[Streetwise]

Careful mate over the years the Harley riding"fuck the world,live to ride blah blah blah" types have turned into new age men and gathered a posse of never ridden anything but just turned 45 and got divorced so i will buy a Harley ride 3kms and sit outside the cafe all day sweating in my leathers types and there really sensitive to getting shit from the guys they used to look down on,besides risking a swipe from there tassles they will attack you with :shit:red bling:laugh:

hahahaha nice, ill where a full face helmet to stave off the tassle attack,

[jafar]

What 98tls is getting @ is ' beware of the squdgies ':Oops:

[Streetwise]

What 98tls is getting @ is ' beware of the squdgies ':Oops:

what the hell is squdgies

[Pixie]

Borrow a motard ( any brand,250cc should do it).
challenge mock Harley (since when was S&S Harley) to a race around the nearest roundabout

[98tls]

What 98tls is getting @ is ' beware of the squdgies ':Oops: :shit:Easy there mate,not only tassles your risking a date with a set of :shit:shit::shit:Warehouse Johnny Rebs.:shit:

[Streetwise]

Borrow a motard ( any brand,250cc should do it).
challenge mock Harley (since when was S&S Harley) to a race around the nearest roundabout


yes well its a harley with a new engine so i will give it the brand it was born with, ill take it under advisement about the roundabout, But still my question stands do you think the FZ1 would win the race or not,

[smoky]

his bike has a 124" S&S aftermarket engine in it with all the bells and whistles.... Im looking at either a 07 Z1000 or a 07 FZ1. " who do you think will win "
We are talking 1/4 mile drag..

Why?
If you ride a bike to go fast only in a straight line, then get whatever you want, but that's not riding a bike.
Ask why people ride the bikes they do, what those bikes can do – then decide what kind of riding you’ll enjoy before comparing bikes that are suitable.

[98tls]

yes well its a harley with a new engine so i will give it the brand it was born with, ill take it under advisement about the roundabout, But still my question stands do you think the FZ1 would win the race or not, As long as you dont fuck up the start my bet is yes.If your spinning the rear hoop your going nowhere.

[98tls]

Why?
If you ride a bike to go fast only in a straight line, then get whatever you want, but that's not riding a bike.
Ask why people ride the bikes they do, what those bikes can do – then decide what kind of riding you’ll enjoy before comparing bikes that are suitable. Yea but am guessing he knows that,his post was simple and did mention it was just having a laugh down a 1/4 mile.

[jafar]

:shit:Easy there mate,not only tassles your risking a date with a set of :shit::shit::shit:Warehouse Johnny Rebs.:shit:


:jerry: Warehouse Johnny Rebs :gob: if they don't get you on their harleys it will be with their 4x4 Remuera Tractors :devil2:

[Streetwise]

As long as you dont fuck up the start my bet is yes.If your spinning the rear hoop your going nowhere.


wow cheers for that finally a straight answer, im just interested in peoples thoughts on the subject, But maybe im asking to much

[jrandom]

Harley with S&S bits versus a Jappa of your choice?

Just buy a B-King, and laugh.

Like this:

'Ha! Ha! Ha!'

Then go spend the $40,000 you saved over the cost of his machine on two or three other bikes to play with when you get bored.

[98tls]

wow cheers for that finally a straight answer, im just interested in peoples thoughts on the subject, But maybe im asking to much :niceone:Beware the mighty interweb mate,lots of egos awaiting an opportunity to be insulted so provoking a response,flaccid really.

[Pixie]

Challenge Hardly Guy to a "riding 3 km and sitting outside a cafe all day,sweating in your tassled leathers"race.

Make sure he doesn't stack the judging panel with menopausal accountants and lawyers with wanna be bad ass syndrome,or you'll loose.

[smoky]

Who's that dude who rides a black ZX14 turbo'ed with Nitrous?
Blackthunder or something, bet ya that would kickthe Harleys arse

[Streetwise]

Who's that dude who rides a black ZX14 turbo'ed with Nitrous?
Blackthunder or something, bet ya that would kickthe Harleys arse

My guess is that you would be right.

[Paulus]

If you lose what will it prove? That a stock FZ1 is slower than a heavily worked HD down a drag strip? I notice they aren't offering to compare stock against stock or round a race circuit. Will all the other HD owners then assume that their less worked ones will also be quicker? They may be in for a rude shock. Throw enough money at anything and you'll make it fast.

When the Triumph Rocket III came out word was that it would destroy a 1000cc sportsbike in the 1/4 mile. PB put it to the test against a stock 04 Fireblade (Nov 04 issue). Triumph did 11.92 @ 115.6mph, Honda did 10.10 @ 144.6mph.

[98tls]

Who's that dude who rides a black ZX14 turbo'ed with Nitrous?
Blackthunder or something, bet ya that would kickthe Harleys arse No No No my friend,to some people the death penalty will be reintroduced in NZ before anything would kick some Harley arse,if the Johnny Rebs are polished and the wind blows with enough force to send the tassles semi skyward then its simply not possible that a Harley can be anything but perfect,i know this from sitting quietly with sensible riding gear on in the beer tent late at night at many rallys listening to the "you should have seen the guy on the 1000 cc sportsbikes face as i went round him on the really tight left hander blah blah blah:niceone:ledgends they are.

[shafty]

God luck with the challenge and make sure it makes YouTube!

It would be interesting to compare the $$ value of both bikes.........

[98tls]

If you lose what will it prove? That a stock FZ1 is slower than a heavily worked HD down a drag strip? I notice they aren't offering to compare stock against stock or round a race circuit. Will all the other HD owners then assume that their less worked ones will also be quicker? They may be in for a rude shock. Throw enough money at anything and you'll make it fast.

When the Triumph Rocket III came out word was that it would destroy a 1000cc sportsbike in the 1/4 mile. PB put it to the test against a stock 04 Fireblade (Nov 04 issue). Triumph did 11.92 @ 115.6mph, Honda did 10.10 @ 144.6mph. Really:oi-grr:Nice,Would have thought the Trumpet would have held its own,good post and a stat i will be sure to remember.

[Streetwise]

God luck with the challenge and make sure it makes YouTube!

It would be interesting to compare the $$ value of both bikes.........

Thats a plan i will keep this thred up to date as we go through the challange, Im guessing that its a no brainer, Ive riden many harleys and many more jappas, Ive never got off a harley and considered it fast but i guess i may be proven wrong, ( But i think not )

[98tls]

Thats a plan i will keep this thred up to date as we go through the challange, Im guessing that its a no brainer, Ive riden many harleys and many more jappas, Ive never got off a harley and considered it fast but i guess i may be proven wrong, ( But i think not ) Careful mate,take it from and old motorcyclist who gave up trashing anyones ride long ago.......just when you think you have seen it all someone shows you different,probably part of the reason i love them so much,good luck and let us know how it goes,if nothing else you will have fun.

[scumdog]

A better question to ask is...

Who do you think will care? Will it change anything?

Sorta my thought too (Yawn!)


Not zactly comparing apples with apples either.

[scumdog]

,i know this from sitting quietly with sensible riding gear on in the beer tent late at night at many rallys listening to the "you should have seen the guy on the 1000 cc sportsbikes face as i went round him on the really tight left hander blah blah blah:niceone:ledgends they are.

Ha, been ear-wigging on some of my yarns eh Mike??
Well they're all true, honest.....:laugh:

(Like the one where I blew away the supercharged 'busa on my stock iron-head sporty - heard two whines as I passed him , one was the rider and one was the blower, if the excess power of my bike hadn't snapped the new chain on my sporty he would have never seen which way I went........

[Streetwise]

well i guess the feeling is the fughtr aint fair, But it will stilll go ahead so ill find out after its done, Its all fun anyway,

[Big Dave]

Hmmm, equal riders - 20k jap v 80k hog and I'd still have a fiver on the jap.

It will get a big jump in the first quarter - and the hog will wind it down on the second 1/4 - but not enough.

By the time they get near the end the japs aerodynamic efficiency will overtake the hog's torque

[Headbanger]

Nothing wrong with a race, even more interesting due to the fact they are such different beasts.

Will it prove anything?

Sure will, It will prove which one was faster on the day, Which I'm sure will be a bit of fun ,before hand, during, and after, Seems many people want to cloud the event with issues.

Anyhow, Are you going to do it on a Drag strip?

Where and when?, spectators welcome?

I'll even wear the HD shirt that features Ned Kelly, a wolf, and The Eureka flag my somewhat misguided mother-in-law bought me.

[Big Dave]

I'll even wear the HD shirt that features Ned Kelly, a wolf, and The Eureka flag my somewhat misguided mother-in-law bought me.

Still says Rebel without the social implications of the Confederate flag though.

[Headbanger]

All is says to me is cheese.

(Although, I have the confederate flag tattooed on me:clap::clap::clap:)

[Big Dave]

And I have the Eureka.

[Streetwise]

Ill have to see where it can be done with regard to the law and alike, But im thinking there are some drag strips down this way so shouldnt be to hard to sort. Hopefully

[Headbanger]

And I have the Eureka.


:niceone:

I can top that, I have an American Indian and an Eagle.....

Muhahahahaha....Must have been a faze I was going through

[Big Dave]

:niceone:

I can top that, I have an American Indian and an Eagle.....

Muhahahahaha....Must have been a faze I was going through


I have Southern cross (5 stars) on the other shoulder.

A stylised biohazard forming the links of a chain between shoulders is next. My toxic faze. ;-)

[Streetwise]

i must be odd as i dont have one, :(

[Edbear]

i must be odd as i dont have one, :(


Remember you're unique! Just like everyone else...:banana:

[madbikeboy]

Hello all i have recently jumped the ditch and have found an interesting challange being put forward to me. Im looking to buy a bike and as i work in the realm of harleys everything i look at i get a rather large amount of grief about jappa,s.... So i put forward a wee bet to the man with the fastest harley at my work place. Now this is where it gets interesting as his bike has a 124" S&S aftermarket engine in it with all the bells and whistles.... Im looking at either a 07 Z1000 or a 07 FZ1. " who do you think will win "
We are talking 1/4 mile drag..

Easy answer.
Assuming the guy on the Hardly Rideable is good -
the Harley will launch like a mofo out of the hole, it's got about double the torque. the Jap bike will catch it at the top of first gear, and then it'll edge ahead until the better aerodynamics will increase the gap.

Now, if you took a proper bike (meaning a Suzook), a Hayabusa or GSXR1000 (and we're talking stock, no nitrous or swingarm extensions), then the gap out of the hole would be smaller but the gap at the quarter would be further.

Make sure the race is more than 1st gear - I'd lay money on the japper so long as it's at least the quarter.

Or - you could find a bend. he'd have to get off and push it around the corner, that walking bit takes time.

Don't race on the street, take it to a strip - safer, and less reason for bullshit excuses. Katman's rubbing off on me.

[Big Dave]

The power to weight of the Jap and the 14,000kazillion redline mean they launch as quick as the big torquers now.

That FZ1 does 130kph in first gear.

[Patch]

bugger using a new bike, why not use a 10 year old twin to kick the tractor's ass, then he'll have no excuse - new bike blah blah blah.

If the farmer is worthy enough put an S bend three quarter's into the race - see what he's really made of.


I vote:

Farmer SD vs. Sprot Ford :jerry: now that would be funny.

Buy a bike that is going to suit the riding you plan do.
Be a nut thru town and drag off coppers - any new litre
touring - harley, rocket or bmw
bit of road and dirt - motard
a short arse - you're fukked for choice really

[thehollowmen]

ok I've actually googled up some results
S & S 124 Challenge bikes routinely get mid 9 second times, although those are drag bikes that conform to these rules : http://www.ahdra.com/rulesssc.html

124 cubic inches is about two liters.

I think the ZX14R got nine second times out of the box with tie downs. I think you'd be pushing it to get other factory jappas near that time.

We are talking about you buying a new bike and putting them to shame with no mods, aren't we?

From wiki:
2006 Kawasaki ZX-14 motorcycle 9.65 sec @ 153 mph (246 km/h)
2007 Honda CBR600RR motorcycle 10.6 sec @ 133 mph (214 km/h)

http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_performance_times/index.html will also be a useful read.

[Streetwise]

The power to weight of the Jap and the 14,000kazillion redline mean they launch as quick as the big torquers now.

That FZ1 does 130kph in first gear.

mmmmm thats pretty quick for first gear,,,

[Patch]

mmmmm thats pretty quick for first gear,,,

the GSXR1000K6 does 166kph in 1st - dunno wot the new K7 does??

[Big Dave]

the GSXR1000K6 does 166kph in 1st - dunno wot the new K7 does??


Ei eie ei That's 'dangerous driving' before reaching for the clutch!
It's all getting a bit silly.

I love me tractor.

[tri boy]

It should be close, but if the S+S dude drags often, then I'd say he has got ya beat. It will be won in the first 80ft. Reaction time and traction rules.:headbang:

[kevfromcoro]

Nah .the japa will blow the doors off him

[Forest]

So how does a contest like this work?

Do they make whoever loses keep the Harley?

[Big Dave]

It also comes down to how heavily the hog has been breathed on.

Doesn't Angelle Savoy run a V-rod?

[Big Dave]

So how does a contest like this work?

Do they make whoever loses keep the Harley?

I'd throw the race. S&S Road King would do me very nicely.

[Pwalo]

It also comes down to how heavily the hog has been breathed on.

Doesn't Angelle Savoy run a V-rod?

IIRC she used to ride a Suzuki, but I not sure what she's competing on now.

[revlikeshit]

I'd put my money on the jappa,only because i dont know enough about the harley(well S&S), last time i went to the drags there was a vrod doing 12's.......pretty pathetic considering 600's were doing 10's and 11's.
I agree with what alot of other people are saying, really,theres to many variables which we know nothing about,anything can be made to go fast.
I'd say with something like an fz1 its gona come down to the launch,an R1 on the other hand,the harley could get it off the line and would still get beat, the top end acceleration advantage of something like an r1 would be to much for the harley...cant see it trapping at 140mph give or take.

[Timber020]

If youve got time, get to a track with some guys who know what they are doing and get some practice launches in and they will be able to help you set up your bike (full extension of rear chain adjustment, gearing, rear tire pressure, front set up, lighter oil,bit of octane booster etc)

That and practice will probably be good for at least a half second on the quarter. Then sit on a bike in the garage in your gear with a random timer hooked up to a light and practice in your reactions. Get comfortable in your head with launching to a light.

Go double or nothing on a half mile or more. Or pick a quarter mile with a corner not far from the finish line, make it so braking and cornering will be a contributing factor in the race as both riders will have to bring the bikes in control after getting over the line. A guy challenged me to a drag, his GSXR750 against my RGV250, I said sure as long as I got to choose the track and said I was thinking about taupo track. He said sure but refused the next weekend when I started unloading my bike at the horse racing track. (was tempted to try for our farms tanker track but thought it would be going a big far).


There are lots of ways to win a race! preparation, preparation, preparation.

[DEATH_INC.]

I think you're in big trouble if the hog rider knows what he's doing. Aero's don't make much diff up to 100mph or so, and he can get a long way ahead by then....
Try to get away with strapping and dropping the fz1 (or zthou), I think you're gonna need it to get a good enough launch to keep that thing in sight....and practice heaps with the tie downs on it to get used to it. Good luck.:niceone:

[Streetwise]

So how does a contest like this work?

Do they make whoever loses keep the Harley?

Hello all, We havnt worked out the looser punishment as yet but im sure humiliation will be a mojor player, Any suggestions, I found out today that the bike owes over 55k to the owner... mmmmm sounds expensive to me.

[Big Dave]

I found out today that the bike owes over 55k to the owner... mmmmm sounds expensive to me.

Sounds like 'mid level' to me.
You can spend that just for the motor.

[MaxB]

The only S&S big blocks I have seen put out an alleged 120 and 140 hp respectively. That is off the 124 cu in size. Considering the stock outputs that is a big increase.

S&S effectively custom prepare their motors for each customer. What you get depends on what you spend. It would be good to find out exactly what has been done. Had the frame and cycle parts been modifed to handle the extra hp?

It might be closer than you think esp if the rider does drag racing and you don't.

But I would still expect the Jappa litre bike to shade it.

[Streetwise]

The only S&S big blocks I have seen put out an alleged 120 and 140 hp respectively. That is off the 124 cu in size. Considering the stock outputs that is a big increase.

S&S effectively custom prepare their motors for each customer. What you get depends on what you spend. It would be good to find out exactly what has been done. Had the frame and cycle parts been modifed to handle the extra hp?

It might be closer than you think esp if the rider does drag racing and you don't.

But I would still expect the Jappa litre bike to shade it.


the bike is a show bike so all the goodies have been put on, I believe its real quick but that just adds to the challange doesnt it,

[MaxB]

I get the feeling that win or lose you are still going to get some shit from those guys!

[kevfromcoro]

so...when is all this happening??

[Streetwise]

I get the feeling that win or lose you are still going to get some shit from those guys!

Hell yea im getting sheep jokes like there is no tomorrow.....

[Big Dave]

Hell yea im getting sheep jokes like there is no tomorrow.....

You either just say 'Baaabarah' and smile and they'll get sick of it
or
Get a few 'Convict' quips in your kit.
EG.
When I came over the Visa form says 'Criminal record' - so I wrote - 'Didn't know i still needed one.'

The sheep will dry up.

[Streetwise]

You either just say 'Baaabarah' and smile and they'll get sick of it
or
Get a few 'Convict' quips in your kit.
EG.
When I came over the Visa form says 'Criminal record' - so I wrote - 'Didn't know i still needed one.'

The sheep will dry up.

Haha nice work ill try it out... Cheers

[McJim]

I don't care how much hp the S&S pumps out - it's gonna lay down a fuckload of torque from the word go. He'll be accelerating while you're waiting for the revs to build up mate.

Best of luck - get yourself a tricked out TL thou' or a VTR SP1 or an Aprilia RSVR Factory (oops it's Italian) but get something that gets its torque out for the lads.

[Streetwise]

I don't care how much hp the S&S pumps out - it's gonna lay down a fuckload of torque from the word go. He'll be accelerating while you're waiting for the revs to build up mate.

Best of luck - get yourself a tricked out TL thou' or a VTR SP1 or an Aprilia RSVR Factory (oops it's Italian) but get something that gets its torque out for the lads.

Ill take it under advisement. cheers

[The Pastor]

No No No my friend,to some people the death penalty will be reintroduced in NZ before anything would kick some Harley arse,if the Johnny Rebs are polished and the wind blows with enough force to send the tassles semi skyward then its simply not possible that a Harley can be anything but perfect,i know this from sitting quietly with sensible riding gear on in the beer tent late at night at many rallys listening to the "you should have seen the guy on the 1000 cc sportsbikes face as i went round him on the really tight left hander blah blah blah:niceone:ledgends they are.
but you know they are talking about 250cc bikes, old accountants are blind and harley riders are ignorant :D

[Finger]

Try a Busa or B-king,couple of teeth less on rear sprocket,that should do it.

[Timber020]

screw torque, bounce it on the limiter and clutch it like you own shares in EBC. JUST KEEP THE FRONT DOWN.