Opinion - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250 vs The Rest

[skidMark]

Before i start i'm not saying go get yourself a CBR250/ZXR250, because truth is they are an old bike and i would be biast to go on and praise them when i am just pointing out the facts here and using the ZXR and CBR as a base reference point, seeing as i know a shitload more about ZXR's than i do CBR's i will mention the ZXR250 alot more throughout this.

I do also know my way around a CBR though, take from this what you will i will hopefully assist people out to buy a new bike in thier decision making.

What i have come down to is comparing the new 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250 up against the hyosung GT250R as in reality these are the only 2 new fairinged bikes on the market.

I am not going to sit here and run specifications off at you all day because fact is these are all over the net and who gives a toss about most of that info anyway, if ya do good on ya goto the website and get them.



The ZXR250/CBR250 etc are sportsbikes, they are a proper thrash on a racetrack and open road go balls to the wall sportsbike, just with a smaller engine than the big toys. clip on handle bars, twin floating brake discs etc etc.


The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)


single disc brakes.....
crappy forks...
I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short), the ZXR has the ZXR250, where as the origional CBR250 did not. and ive ridden a few CBR250's's and they are rubbish suspension wise in comparison to the ZXR250.


Yes i know blah blah ZXR250 and CBR250 are old blah blah i'm not saying go buy a ZXR250 or CBR250 if u want a new bike go hard it's up to you, a to be honest not quite up to scratch in my eyes. Hyosung GT250R is better than a GPX/Ninja 250 anyways.

where as the GT250R has....

USD forks, twin floating brake disc etc etc, has everything the zxr does just with shittier build quality and a gutless V-Twin powerplant. To be honest the build qulity is still not there though, they have a bit of a feeling of cheapness on these korean Hyosungs.

The Hyosung GT250R was infact origionally designed by Kawasaki but for some reason the plans were sold.



If you want proper power in a 4 stroke go the ZXR250 or the CBR250 (CBR handles like a shopping trolley though) this is if age of the bike is not an issue.

For many buyers it is, and i can respect that.

They would still be making the ZXR and CBR to this day, except new restrictions came into place in 1993 i believe, i am not sure why though i think to do with power restrictions for japanese learner riders but don't quote me on that, anyways they don't make em. Lets close that chapter and keep going.

Fact is the ZXR250 and CBR250 do hold thier value very well. and are actually still going up in value like crazy, but in this a problem arises of now they are getting very near in some cases matching or even above that of a brand new Hyosung GT250R or Ninja 250. the problem with this is eventually the shit is going to hit the fan.

People will stop buying the older 250's for silly money (this has become very apparent in the last year or so), many now opt for the new toy with warrenty where as in 2005/2006 the zxr's were cheap enough that people did not mind, also in this there was really nothing as a new 250 apart from the Suzuki GN250.

A bike that has been made since the 80's but now gets made in china. with fake chrome so shit, that they take them out of the box and they are already rusty.

Anyways so the release of the GT250R and re launch of the GPX250 made sales of zxr's and cbr's fall quicker than ya boner when ya find out the chick you brought home from the pub isn't a chick after all. (unless your a honda rider then this adds to the hardness)

and these values i think are really going to drop like a rock soon because people will simply stop buying the older zxr's etc.

but in saying this you put it up for sale, somebody will buy it eventually with more bank balance than brains.


If you want warrenty and new bike and ooo ahh pretty then go new bike,

I personally say go the Hyosung GT250R, it's the only fairinged "proper" 250cc sportsbike on the market.

If you want to simply pull girls that think because it says ninja it's really fast! and just north shore sure to score girls. then go the new ninja 250. fact is the new ninja 250 is a sports styled commuter.


It's the equivelent of a Suzuki GN250 with fairings...

Sorry i lie a Suzuki GN250 with moto-x bars actually corners better.

So in summary there are two main players on the market of new 250's.
# Theres the hyosung which is a proper sports bike. good for commuting, but can hold it's own on the open road also. and with the low profile tyres and so on you have alot more choice in the sticky stuff that keeps ya shiney side up.

# Then there is the better looking 2008 ninja 250, which is a sports styled commuting bike, which in reality on the open road is horrible ive ridden 2007 gpx's on the open road and riddens with friends who have them. they are just not an open road go fast get knee down bike. the tyres on them arn't even a low profile, which these days limits you alot. you are scared to hang off and try get knee down where as the Hyosung GT250R you can hang off and get knee down and so on, and the bike remains very stable.


Hope that helps in some new riders decision making.

skidMark.

[ital916]

Jeez man why don't we wait unitl it gets released here and then see what the 2008 ninja250r is like. A lot of the time manufacturers have kep the specifications of the motorcycle the same albeit slightly tweaked and come out with a completely different monster. For one the kawa will be smaller and nimbler etc blah blah it's all just speculation. When it's released why don't you test ride them both and then write a head to head, until then lets just say that the green machine has gone and at least made an already reliable bike, reliable and sexy. *learners don't always need a fucking pocket rocket, as a learner i'd rather get the skills right and get a pocket rocket when i get my full*

Drider

P.S The kawa would still be me pre emptive choice, but then i just love kawasakis.

P.P.S The kawa is officially being marketed here now, Mr Motorcycles on trademe has one, R.R.P $6995 +ORC...TAKE THAT HYOSUNG!

[skidMark]

Jeez man why don't we wait unitl it gets released here and then see what the 2008 ninja250r is like. A lot of the time manufacturers have kep the specifications of the motorcycle the same albeit slightly tweaked and come out with a completely different monster. For one the kawa will be smaller and nimbler etc blah blah it's all just speculation. When it's released why don't you test ride them both and then write a head to head, until then lets just say that the green machine has gone and at least made an already reliable bike, reliable and sexy. *learners don't always need a fucking pocket rocket, as a learner i'd rather get the skills right and get a pocket rocket when i get my full*

Drider

P.S The kawa would still be me pre emptive choice, but then i just love kawasakis.


already know exactly what it will be like.

it's a gpx with pretty panels....same front end same triple clamps same bars...same discs with some petals cut in them....same engine.......same header pipes....ze list goes on.

and i don't agree with you on that sorry learner riders need open road experiace too...round town all you learn is dodging idiots in cars.

[skidMark]

P.P.S The kawa is officially being marketed here now, Mr Motorcycles on trademe has one, R.R.P $6995 +ORC...TAKE THAT HYOSUNG!


lol dude yer um i saw that before i did this write up.

[ital916]

:brick: Lol Go test ride one! All i'm saying is don't judge the book by it's beautiful cover.....until i've managed to get a go on one or read some definitive ride reports by KB members or something then i will make up my mind.

[skidMark]

:brick: Lol Go test ride one! All i'm saying is don't judge the book by it's beautiful cover.....until i've managed to get a go on one or read some definitive ride reports by KB members or something then i will make up my mind.


ive ridden an 07 gpx 250 ...same as 08 dude......thats exactly what you are doing though...judgeing the book by it's cover....the cover being the pretty fairings covering the same old shit.

and i owned a 1988 gpx 250 for a long time. same as the 2007 model...which means....it's the same as the 08....

which means it's the apocolypse of evil. :wari:

[ital916]

How can i be judging it by it's cover, all i'm saying is you don't know how kawsaki have tweaked it. I'm being neutral and saying ride the kawa, ride the hyo and then see. You judging it by it's predeccesor. A lot of bike engines have been tweaked by owners after purchase and perform differently, maybe the green machine has not changed but tweaked and evolved the gpx. It may not be a rocket but i bet it has the torrque and power curve learners love and need! I ain't bagging the hyosung, will have to test the 08 ones too see whether the go faster paint jobs they have make them go faster :laugh:

[ital916]

:ar15: :banana: The gpx is like this banana, bullet proof. It dance between criticisms easily. *okay now im being objective lol*

[scott411]

Mark, your information is way off, kawasaki never designed the Hyosung, thats crap, there is a tie up with kawasaki and hyosung in nz only because the importer is the same company,
and writing the bike off before you have seen them is a bit off,

the new Ninja 250R will have more midrange power than the old gpx250, the motors are not identical, although the bore and stroke are the same the new bike has a new head with shims and buckets rather than the adjustable tappit design,

it was never designed to be a ZXR250, and to be honest for most learners (the 250 market) these are horrible with no useable power down low,

as for USD forks, they are a marketing crap, just cause they work on Motogp does not make them better for the average bike, usd forks are more comman to blow fork seals and it is more likely to damage fork sliders, on this sort of bike the conventional forks are a better choice, Hyosung usd forks are more show than purpose,

things to way up when considering the 2 bikes
kawasaki 2 year unlimted km warranty, and $6995
Hynosung 1 year 10000km warranty and $7395 (two tone)

the Hyosung is a bigger bike so suits bigger guys, the Ninja 250R although a bit bigger than the old GPX is still a bit cramped for bigger guys, the 17's tyres should provide a better range of tyres for them.

i agree with you the ZXR's go for stupid money, they should be 3-4000k tops but the market sets the price and if people keep paying 6-7k for them its thier choice, i know what i would buy for that money

just my point of veiw,

[FilthyLuka]

I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short),

2004 CBR600RR doesnt have USD forks, that bike still kicks arse. GSXR750's didn't have USD's untill they got fat. The coolest bike of all time (Kawasaki H2A) doesn't have upside downs

[delusionz]

dude, stop saying every kawasaki with a p-twin is exactly like a gpx with different fairings. the only bike like a gpx is a gpx.

[FilthyLuka]

already know exactly what it will be like.

it's a gpx with pretty panels....same front end same triple clamps same bars...same discs with some petals cut in them....same engine.......same header pipes....ze list goes on.


If its all exactly the same, why did yoshimura go and make a exhaust system for it?

[snot]

and i don't agree with you on that sorry learner riders need open road experiace too...round town all you learn is dodging idiots in cars.

One would argue that is the key to staying alive on a motorcycle


Mark, your information is way off,

No fucking shit, the kids clearly handicapped

[Morcs]

All this talk about sportsbikes... they are 250's ffs. Open the throttle and nothing happens...

[zeocen]

Mark,

This isn't just a GPX, infact I think you'll find that if you want to compare it as a successor to a bike, it is actually much more closer to the zzr250.

The people who buy this bike DO NOT WANT TO BUY IT TO GO FAST. It is a fucking 250, the ONLY person who lives and breathes those lovely inline4 250s, is YOU, because you can't seem to hold a licence long enough to get a bigger bike. Everyone else moves on, or takes their 250 to a track, they don't stay on the road.

This bike, is a newer model with sleek fairings and a timid engine for new riders, this is a GOOD THING. Do you know how many Americans I know of who are thinking of buying bikes, automatically have gone for the Ninja 250 over a bigger bike because of its looks? This is, again, a GOOD THING. Now they have the option of a great brand name, the word "Ninja" and a good looking bike to learn on with timid power and handling that forgives even the craziest of riders. 250s are finally more desirable for them, rather than starting on a 600 IL4.

Now, handling. You say it will handle like shit because you have ridden an '07 GPX. Oh please, if you're going to make a horendous write up at least do a LITTLE research. Yes the GPX with its 16" rear wheel isn't the greatest to turn with but it is still VERY forgiving. The ZZR250 however (noted as the gpx's successor that was sold outside of US/Canada until about '96), is MAGNIFICENT in corners. I think you'll find, that the technology on the new Ninja 250 is closer to the ZZR250 in regards to base components, one of which is the 17" rear wheel and (correct me if I'm wrong on this) change in suspension. This made a HUGE difference in cornering, not only did the change in fairing models cut through wind better (lets face it, the GPX half faired model wasn't the best in any wind), but the performence in cornering was stellar.

Speed. There isn't much to say in this regard, it seems everyone BUT you knows the new Ninja250's place in the market. An affordable, good looking machine for commuting and touring on as well as weekend blasts with enough down low grunt to have fun in corners.
Wait a minute, that sounds familiar. Oh yeah, it sounds exactly like the Ninja650r, better known here as the ER6-F. This is another parallel twin that has blown away the market in handling, comfort and the ability to be a blast in weekends due to its low down twin power. Do you see people comparing it to its inline4 brothers? ZX-6, ZX-6R and ZX-6RR? I don't think so, because that's not what it's made for.

There's nothing much more to say, all your talk of USDs and single disc brakes are irrelevent, the bike isn't made to need to utilise twin disc brakes, maybe if it was a screaming inline4, but it ain't. It's just a good commuting bike that has....

I'll need to put this by itself, so you read it..



That has never once claimed to be a race bike, only a good solid new bike with plenty of low down grunt for a 250 for new riders/riders who would like a stylised 250 as a commuter.



You can defend your precious ZXR till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is, no one compared them in the first place, you were the only one. So to end this nice big speil of mine, I will finish with one last sentence.

You are full of shit Mark, let the riders choose what is most comfortable for them.





(/disclaimer: I personally don't like the new Ninja250's looks, I thought the retro style was great and the bigger back end made for better luggage space, but each to his own!)

[The Pastor]

yeah you can't say shit unitll you ride one.

if it puts out 45hp i'd be keen (if i were in the market for a 250)

hyobags do have an amazing fuel range tho. that almost out weighs the performance loss.

[delusionz]

The ZXR250/CBR250 etc are sportsbikes, they are a proper thrash on a racetrack and open road go balls to the wall sportsbike, just with a smaller engine than the big toys. clip on handle bars, twin floating brake discs etc etc.


The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)


single disc brakes.....
crappy forks...
I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short)


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[Rosie]

I think Kawasaki has priced them very well, and they should sell a lot of them.

I agree that learners need experience on the open road, but there probably aren't many 250's out there that would be thoroughly unsuitable for riding on the open road. My Sherpa is a dolled up farmbike, and it's a hell of a lot of fun on the open road. The Ninja would have better open road manners, making it more than adequate for one's formative years on the open road.

[jrandom]

Everyone else moves on, or takes their 250 to a track...

Mark took his 250 to a track, but forgot to check the engine oil level before thrashing it to the redline...

:laugh:

[Harry33]

mmm when I get back to Nz I might buy a new 250 ninja. I like the price and the fact it's brand new. Damn should hurry up and get a full licence I really want a R6. lol

[rwh]

Mark took his 250 to a track

But only because he's not allowed to ride it on the road, right?

And that's the answer to everybody telling him to test ride them. It's as useful as telling schoolboys to testdrive Lamborghinis and Ferraris before they compare them ...

Richard

[FilthyLuka]

if it puts out 45hp i'd be keen (if i were in the market for a 250)


"32 HP @ 11.000 rpm"

of kawasaki NZ website

I highly doubt a zxr puts out 45hp at the wheel though (you didn't say it does, im just pointing it out)

a zxr puts out 40 hp the same way an aprilia rs250 puts out 70, at the crank maybe

I like this new GPX, its gonna be a good one, even if it is a tad underpowered.

And markie, twin discs aren't all that shit hot on a 250, one suffices just fine.

That and gimmie the money and some time and im pretty damn positive i can make a DR250 donk put out more ponies than a ZXR. At the end of the day, they are just 250's, we learn on them, we crash them, we have pissing contests because of them, but thats it. It REALLY doesn't matter for your average road rider whether it puts out 30 horses or 38 horses or if it has one disc or two, as long as it does what its designed for well, which i think the kawasaki should be able to manage.

Hmm, i should go test ride one for fun :blink: Does Mt. Eden have 'em in stock?

[99TLS]

dont really like them and would rather spend the same amount on a old cbr or rg250 probly the latter :yes:

[cowpoos]

The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)


single disc brakes.....
crappy forks...
I mean cmon...they arnt even upside down forks (USD's for short), the ZXR has the ZXR250, where as the origional CBR250 did not. and ive ridden a few CBR250's's and they are rubbish suspension wise in comparison to the ZXR250.

The Gpx is a different bike than the new baby ninja..crappy forks?? how do you know?? just becuase they are not USD does not make them less good!! they can be cartridge forks no matter what way up they are..and whos to say they are worse than whats on your zxr250?? you wouldn't fricken know..be cause you ride like a homo and have no idea what the hell your talking about!!





The Hyosung GT250R was infact origionally designed by Kawasaki but for some reason the plans were sold.



How the hell do you know??? because you dont!!!





If you want to simply pull girls that think because it says ninja it's really fast! and just north shore sure to score girls. then go the new ninja 250. fact is the new ninja 250 is a sports styled commuter.


It's the equivelent of a Suzuki GN250 with fairings...

Sorry i lie a Suzuki GN250 with moto-x bars actually corners better.



So you have ridden one??







Hope that helps in some new riders decision making.

skidMark.

I doubt its done anything but make you look like a fuck idiot...you have tryed to knock the reputation of kawasakis latest learner bike..based on nothing?? you actually have nothing to base it on?? you have not ridden the machine!!
You also in my opinion DO NOT have the experience or skill..maturity too test a motorcycle to a point where you can give a worthy opinion...Just think before you type/talk Mark!! and it maybe pay to get this thread removed...as people who work for companys like Kawasaki NZ browse here all the time..and see these dumb shit reports/reviews..and thats how KB is getting a bit of a named for its self these days as a Shark pit full of naysayers and bullshit artists...and sadly...I have to agree it is going this way!

[ital916]

Hear hear for comprehending the stupidity of this thread.:clap:

[skidMark]

Mark,

This isn't just a GPX, infact I think you'll find that if you want to compare it as a successor to a bike, it is actually much more closer to the zzr250.




which was a gpx with pretty fairings.

[skidMark]

The Gpx is a different bike than the new baby ninja..crappy forks?? how do you know?? just becuase they are not USD does not make them less good!! they can be cartridge forks no matter what way up they are..and whos to say they are worse than whats on your zxr250?? you wouldn't fricken know..be cause you ride like a homo and have no idea what the hell your talking about!!


ummm it's the same forks.

i ride like a homo?

hang on who totalled thier gixxer?

How the hell do you know??? because you dont!!!

see above



So you have ridden one??

why would i bother it's the same as the old one. same components new cover



I doubt its done anything but make you look like a fuck idiot...you have tryed to knock the reputation of kawasakis latest learner bike..based on nothing?? you actually have nothing to base it on?? you have not ridden the machine!!

as i have said there is no need to ride the machine. i have ridden enough bikes to owned an old gpx. it's the same god damn components.

and it is being sold as what they are advertising it as....the new ninja. as in a prettied up version on the old one. and when did i knock it? i gave a comparison to give learners some relevant points, they can take from it what they wish.



You also in my opinion DO NOT have the experience or skill..maturity too test a motorcycle to a point where you can give a worthy opinion...Just think before you type/talk Mark!! and it maybe pay to get this thread removed...as people who work for companys like Kawasaki NZ browse here all the time..and see these dumb shit reports/reviews..and thats how KB is getting a bit of a named for its self these days as a Shark pit full of naysayers and bullshit artists...and sadly...I have to agree it is going this way!

never said my opinion was worthy, was just giving it.

And i am kawasaki true to the bone, just voicing my opinion my next new bike will be a kawasaki zx6r or zx10r.

this does not mean i have to like everybike they make.

it's like i won't buy an 08 zx10r cus it's fucking ugly.

would rather have 06/07

and this is an open forum, i do not care what kawasaki nz reads they still have my business.

i voiced an opinion. i did not make a full blown testride review so do not try make out like i did because i most certainly did not.



i like you poos but you can be a cunt.

SM

[skidMark]

it was never designed to be a ZXR250, and to be honest for most learners (the 250 market) these are horrible with no useable power down low,

as for USD forks, they are a marketing crap, just cause they work on Motogp does not make them better for the average bike, usd forks are more comman to blow fork seals and it is more likely to damage fork sliders, on this sort of bike the conventional forks are a better choice, Hyosung usd forks are more show than purpose,



who the hell rides a zxr in down low revs?

i ride between 14k rpm to 19k everywhere.

the only time i drop below that is round town...and why do you need grunt to putter round...if i need to move in a hurry i wind it up to 19k redline and fuck off.

i am talking about the USD's as a more adjustable setup the non usd's in the other bikes i mentioned have little to no adjustment where as the zxr and GT250R do.

fact is the new ninja is designed like the gpx.

to be a sports styled commuter.

never intended as a sportsbike.

i was just trying to get across to new buyers that just because it has pretty fairings. it doesn't make it a flash sportsbike....which is how it looks.

but it is not mechanically designed to match it's pretty sportsbike racer looks.

[skidMark]

"32 HP @ 11.000 rpm"

of kawasaki NZ website

I highly doubt a zxr puts out 45hp at the wheel though (you didn't say it does, im just pointing it out)

a zxr puts out 40 hp the same way an aprilia rs250 puts out 70, at the crank maybe

I like this new GPX, its gonna be a good one, even if it is a tad underpowered.

And markie, twin discs aren't all that shit hot on a 250, one suffices just fine.

That and gimmie the money and some time and im pretty damn positive i can make a DR250 donk put out more ponies than a ZXR. At the end of the day, they are just 250's, we learn on them, we crash them, we have pissing contests because of them, but thats it. It REALLY doesn't matter for your average road rider whether it puts out 30 horses or 38 horses or if it has one disc or two, as long as it does what its designed for well, which i think the kawasaki should be able to manage.

Hmm, i should go test ride one for fun :blink: Does Mt. Eden have 'em in stock?

it's not so much the twin discs...they do help a shitload though.

the fact is they arnt even a folating disc they are a solid one piece disc. yuck.

zxr 250 is 45 hp at the crank.

35 at the wheel.

mine remains at 35hp to this day...dynoed...

with exhaust and rejetting it wasn't re dynoed.

but estimated aty 38hp-40hp. at the wheel.

yes 250's are absolutely gutless....ive ridden zx10r's....hop back on a 250 and it's like a scooter.

which is why 250's need to make up for it in the suspension department.

the ZXR achieves this.

these 250's you are on one for 2 years until you can legally upgrade right....

so you are learning all your base riding skills on one.

i'm sorry to say but when i sold my gpx and got on a zxr.

it was like starting over.

ride a gpx...or the new ninja.

then ride a zxr. (with susp etc properly adjusted...not straight off the boat for some 50kg japanese guy)

and get back to me

SM

[skidMark]

.

There's nothing much more to say, all your talk of USDs and single disc brakes are irrelevent, the bike isn't made to need to utilise twin disc brakes, maybe if it was a screaming inline4, but it ain't. It's just a good commuting bike that has....

I'll need to put this by itself, so you read it..



That has never once claimed to be a race bike, only a good solid new bike with plenty of low down grunt for a 250 for new riders/riders who would like a stylised 250 as a commuter.



You can defend your precious ZXR till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is, no one compared them in the first place, you were the only one. So to end this nice big speil of mine, I will finish with one last sentence.

You are full of shit Mark, let the riders choose what is most comfortable for them.





(/disclaimer: I personally don't like the new Ninja250's looks, I thought the retro style was great and the bigger back end made for better luggage space, but each to his own!)


they can choose whatever they please i am just offering an opinion and i said at the start of the very first post that i was not saying go buy a zxr...just using it as a base reference point as it is a bike i know every inch of, so i could form a much better comparison.

and you just said it right there.

it's a good COMMUTING bike.

which is why i made this thread, to point out it is a commuting bike.

so that people in the market for a new bike could making a decision from that.

yes i do like the looks of the bike but what i am saying is that the mechanicals are alot more important for open road...it doesn't look so prewtty after you slide it off the road.

and i have ridden zzr's in the past. still wallowed all over the place.

in this i am comparimng 250's to 250's leaving big bikes out of it beacuse if you are a learner you can only have a 250 legally

i know 250's are shit i know they are slow.

and straight up the only reason i havn't upgraded is lack of funds.

to be honest i have reached the zxr's limits.

and it bores me.

[zeocen]

You are falling over your own words so much that I don't even need to retort, all I will reply to is this.

"which is why i made this thread, to point out it is a commuting bike."

No one has ever said it wasn't. You are making up drama all by yourself. Surely you are just taking the piss now and you really aren't this retarded? To say that the ZZR is just fairings is hilarious, you constantly point out your own stupidity by not actually researching *anything* other than saying "well I rode this bike and it sux!!!11".

And also.. "to be honest i have reached the zxr's limits."

ROFL

[MSTRS]

To compare a GPX or ZZR with ZXR or CBR is an excercise in futility. They are designed for and aimed at different markets.
The fact is that for someone who wants a new 250, there are no IL4 anyway.
And if the GPX is/was so bad, why are they still making them 20 years down the track?

[DEATH_INC.]

If ya talking small bikes, anyone tried a CBR or YZF (?) 150 ? Are they any good and maybe a viable alternative to paying $6000 for a s/h 250?

[skidMark]

You are falling over your own words so much that I don't even need to retort, all I will reply to is this.

"which is why i made this thread, to point out it is a commuting bike."

No one has ever said it wasn't. You are making up drama all by yourself. Surely you are just taking the piss now and you really aren't this retarded?

i wasn't making it up as ive said how many fucking times now.... i'm just pointing out to learners before they make a silly mistake so they can make an informed decision, a bike shop will tell you what you wanna hear and alot of people are gullible enough to treat the salesmans words as gospel. considering the age of people buying this bike will be aounf 18-20 usually.

To say that the ZZR is just fairings is hilarious, you constantly point out your own stupidity by not actually researching *anything* other than saying "well I rode this bike and it sux!!!11".

i know the differences.

do you?


And also.. "to be honest i have reached the zxr's limits."

ROFL

funny why?

[skidMark]

If ya talking small bikes, anyone tried a CBR or YZF (?) 150 ? Are they any good and maybe a viable alternative to paying $6000 for a s/h 250?


to be honest that does look like an alright little bike, i will have to research it more though specification wise.

but it looks nice

i don't like the cbr150 i like the yzf.....

[cowpoos]

You are a very very profoundly ignorant little boy...stop acting like a child and listen to some of the people your are arguing against...noone on this thread agrees with how you rated this machine...noone on this thread thinks you are being reasonable..

Take a step back..and look at it from a reasoned perspective. [and don't reply back saying you are]


Ps: Don't you dare send me a PM mouthing off like that again!

[skidMark]

You are a very very profoundly ignorant little boy...stop acting like a child and listen to some of the people your are arguing against...noone on this thread agrees with how you rated this machine...noone on this thread thinks you are being reasonable..

Take a step back..and look at it from a reasoned perspective. [and don't reply ack saying you are]


Ps:Don't you dare send me a PM mouthing off like that again!


PM'ed u little miss PMS

i did not rate it nor did i form a review i simply voiced an opinion.

now bend over.

[tri boy]

The GPX is a good bike Mark. (I was servicing, and riding them and helping to sell them for Mack1 Kawasaki in West Aussie when they first came out).
Sure, they arn't specced up like the fours, and don't make your heart race like those bikes, but I think you should stop slagging things out so hard young fulla.
Your passionate about your Kwaka's, and thats cool, but you need to be more selective with your words.
Kawasaki have sold many of these bikes to thousands of happy customers. Do you really want to upset that many people by running off at the mouth?
The web may be faceless, but your'e not.

[zeocen]

i know the differences.

do you?

Adjustable leavers and rear shocks, smaller sprocket, changing in the carbs, 17" rear wheel instead of 16" just to name a few.

But yeah, you are right, EXACTLY the same as the gpx eh?

:brick:

[ital916]

Hey zeo, there isn't a brick wall big enough for that little red emoti to smack his head against lol don't think ol skiddy's gonna get it.

[Meanie]

Well mark I am a little suprised you would run something down without even looking at it in the flesh so to speak or test riding it (not that anyone in thier right mind would let you test ride one)
It is what it is a 250 cc learners bike that looks blardy awesome this alone will help kawasaki NZ sell shit loads of them over here. It irrelevant that it has the same forks and motor, they are obviously happy with the performance of the GPX to use the fundamental parts, so why would you slag it so much, maybe your a little jealous
I had the choice between the GPX and the 08 ninga for my wife and i chose to wait for the ninga to turn up here because it is a better looking bike that will certainly handle better than its predasessor and will be easier to sell in twelve months when she is ready to move up to a more powerfull bike
I probably wouldnt have brought it if it was a lot more powerfull because i believe that you dont give someone a rocket that is learning to ride.
I ordered one and am very happy with the decision and will be very happy to report what i think about if after we have had it long enough to give an honest opinion

[skidMark]

Well mark I am a little suprised you would run something down without even looking at it in the flesh so to speak or test riding it (not that anyone in thier right mind would let you test ride one)
It is what it is a 250 cc learners bike that looks blardy awesome this alone will help kawasaki NZ sell shit loads of them over here.

thats another reason i put this up so newbies wouldn't gooo ooooo ahhh it's so pretty and just buy it without comparing.

i did not slag off the bike as people are saying.

i was simply pointing out theres are other options before everybody goes ooo it's pretty and just buys one.

meh fuckit was just trying to help...not dig into the bike.

and just as info i have owned a gpx...ridden many zzr's...

and owned 3 zxr's.

and been a bike mechanic for 3 years.

but sweet

what would i know eh?

[Toast]

If ya talking small bikes, anyone tried a CBR or YZF (?) 150 ? Are they any good and maybe a viable alternative to paying $6000 for a s/h 250?

CBR150 is a dressed up Thai scooter, as I understand it. Some Pom bike mag I was reading reckoned that a race around the city with 4 of them was the most fun they've ever had though.

[tri boy]

what would i know eh?

Sweet f**k all actually! If you know so much about mechanic's and bikes, why arn't you getting $30hr for your skills?

Got ya trade papers? No? Then stop calling yourself a motorcycle mechanic! Or any type of mechanic.....
I can see why people get f**ked off with you. You run off at the mouth, and then have a conveinient lapse of memory. Read back over your post. You did slag it out.
Grow up mark.

[zeocen]

what would i know eh?

You must have been sleeping on the job because when it comes to this topic you don't know fucking jack shit mate. And I am terrible at bike mechanics.

We don't know why you bother either. I do love how you do selective quoting, avoiding the ones that prove you wrong. Running in circles now so I'm out, have fun reaffirming yourself in a mirror markymark.

[NinjaNanna]

I wish this thread would be deleted.

It is a sad reflection on KB when google.co.nz returns this thread as the top listing when searching for "ninja 250 08"


If that isn't a good enough reason to do some MODERATING then God only knows what is!!!!!

[cowboyz]

# Then there is the better looking 2008 ninja 250, which is a sports styled commuting bike, which in reality on the open road is horrible ive ridden 2007 gpx's on the open road and riddens with friends who have them. they are just not an open road go fast get knee down bike. the tyres on them arn't even a low profile, which these days limits you alot. you are scared to hang off and try get knee down where as the Hyosung GT250R you can hang off and get knee down and so on, and the bike remains very stable.


Hope that helps in some new riders decision making.

skidMark.
Interesting you think the only reason to buy a bike is to go hell for leather "getting your knee down" (BTW. We are going to coin a phrase "skidmarking" when riders try to put their knee down on the road, It is meant as a derogatory phrase).
I have high expectations for the new ninja 250r. I surely hope it lives up to them. I have very found memories of my gpz250 (holy shit batman, thats not a sportsbike and yet I enjoyed riding it) and did over 30000km on it in about 9 months before it met its demise with some fairly unfortunate events.


yeah you can't say shit unitll you ride one.

if it puts out 45hp i'd be keen (if i were in the market for a 250)

hyobags do have an amazing fuel range tho. that almost out weighs the performance loss.

Wouldnt hold your breath on 45HP. But then again, who gives a shit.


and straight up the only reason i havn't upgraded is lack of funds.

to be honest i have reached the zxr's limits.

and it bores me.
Yes. I would agree that you have ridden the zxr to its limit. That is the limit where the motor siezes. Way to look after a bike Mr mechanic!!!!


I wish this thread would be deleted.

It is a sad reflection on KB when google.co.nz returns this thread as the top listing when searching for "ninja 250 08"


If that isn't a good enough reason to do some MODERATING then God only knows what is!!!!!

But I spent so much time replying to skidmark. I hate to think it was all in vien. Hey, at least it has kept me entertained for the last 5 mins. ( and 3 and a half of those was waiting for my wife to tell me how to spell derogatory.

[MVnut]

The coolest bike of all time (Kawasaki H2A) doesn't have upside downs

Preferably in Purple

[Meanie]

thats another reason i put this up so newbies wouldn't gooo ooooo ahhh it's so pretty and just buy it without comparing.

i did not slag off the bike as people are saying.

i was simply pointing out theres are other options before everybody goes ooo it's pretty and just buys one.

meh fuckit was just trying to help...not dig into the bike.

and just as info i have owned a gpx...ridden many zzr's...

and owned 3 zxr's.

and been a bike mechanic for 3 years.

but sweet

what would i know eh?

I aint a newbie and i didnt go oooh aaah either, it was an informed decision that I made based on looks and resale value
It makes sense to buy something others are going to want to pay reasonable money for when we are ready to move on
But then common sense seems to fail you
You are not a mechanic until you have done an apprentiship, only then are you a tradesman so dont pretend to be something you clearly arent
And all the mechanics i know would not pass judgement until they had seen and ridden the bike for themselves
Your not experienced or old enough to be a bike critic either
If you had ridden the bike there may have been some merit to your rumblings but alas they are merely rumblings
Your parents realy should have taught you discipline and respect
Never too late to learn you know
I am sure there are a few of us here on KB prepared to step in where your parents left off and teach you some manners

[lanci]

Oh dear..............:girlfight:

It's been mentioned before, not everyone is up for a screaming IL4 to pootle about town and from what I understand the GPX isn't bad at that. So if the new 250 Ninja is good at pootling around town and also looking good (some would argue better than a GPX) why not have it as a viable alternative.

Anyway, I have heard that GPX's are OK bikes to cut your teeth on if your only ever going to be a road rider. Not everyone is destined to be Rossi.........

[cowboyz]

I aint a newbie
you got that right!
and i didnt go oooh aaah either,
You may have a little bit..........
it was an informed decision that I made based on looks and resale value
A wise one at that.
It makes sense to buy something others are going to want to pay reasonable money for when we are ready to move on
More sense than Skiddys comments
But then common sense seems to fail you
Fail with a capital F, Now I think of it, reading Skidmarks posts a few other F words come to mind.

You are not a mechanic until you have done an apprentiship,
You are getting technicamal
only then are you a tradesman so dont pretend to be something you clearly arent
You noticed that too huh?
And all the mechanics i know would not pass judgement until they had seen and ridden the bike for themselves
Dont have to be a mechanic to work that one out.
Your not experienced or old enough to be a bike critic either
Actually, I dont think he is old enough to dress himself yet, let alone the rest.
If you had ridden the bike there may have been some merit to your rumblings but alas they are merely rumblings
He would have got his knee down on it. That is if it didnt seize first.
Your parents realy should have taught you discipline and respect
Never too late to learn you know
hmmmmmmmmmm
I am sure there are a few of us here on KB prepared to step in where your parents left off and teach you some manners
You know of a builder than could do a wide enough brick wall? I feel we may need one.



..................................

[DingoZ]

IMHO. How can you base anything about the 08 Ninja 250 without having ridden it. Oh wait thats right you can't...

It may surprise you, it could have been tweaked as others have suggested. Looks are sometimes deceiving.

I didn't like the look of the Hyosungs when I was first looking at buying a bike. Had listened to all the comments - both good and bad regarding these bikes. TEST RODE a couple of different makes and models before TEST RIDING the Hyo, and decided the Hyo would suit me for the purposes I was wanting to buy it for... So to base your first posting on what old versions are and assuming the new one is exactly like them is kinda stupid. (fitting by all accounts)

Kinda like the old war of words between Holden and Ford Supporters, each loves their own particular brand. But FFS stop knocking something until you have actually TRIED IT.

Rant over

[skidMark]

You must have been sleeping on the job because when it comes to this topic you don't know fucking jack shit mate. And I am terrible at bike mechanics.

We don't know why you bother either. I do love how you do selective quoting, avoiding the ones that prove you wrong. Running in circles now so I'm out, have fun reaffirming yourself in a mirror markymark.


sweet bro....

[skidMark]

Yes. I would agree that you have ridden the zxr to its limit. That is the limit where the motor siezes. Way to look after a bike Mr mechanic!!!!


it did not seize.

it roasted a bike end bearing due to a combination of oil slosh and i stuffed up a downshift and it bounced off the rev limiter.

it had a $400 2nd hand motor in it, it was fucked already.

when it did in the big end bearing it also buggered the crank


AND HERE WE GO :)

IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT FROM THE LOT OF YA, I GAVE AN HONEST OPINION OF WHAT I THINK OF THE MACHINE, GO HARD DIG INTO IT, BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO DIG INTO ME. AND MY RIDING ETC ETC.

THATS A WEEK PITIFUL COMEBACK TO DIG INTO THE POSTER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FORM A DECENT REPLY TO WHAT I SAID. SO YES I WAS A CUNT AND DID THE SAME BACK.

I TOOK 20 MINUTES OF MY TIME TO WRITE THE ORIGIONAL POST, I DID NOT HAVE TO BUT I WANTED TO TO HELP THOSE IN THE MARKET FOR A NEW BIKE IN THIER DECISION MAKING.

SORRY FOR GIVING A FUCK.

SORRY FOR VOICING AN OPINION, WHICH IS WHAT FORUMS EXIST FOR.

WAS I A CUNT ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST POST NO.

BUT YOU GUYS WERE FOR EVERY POST FOLLOWING THAT.

MUST BE MY FAULT.....MY BAD.

SM:devil2:

PS: "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONNNEEEE WAHHHH"

[skidMark]

..................................


WOW YOU LEARN TO TYPE ALL BY YOURSELF?

[skidMark]

I aint a newbie and i didnt go oooh aaah either, it was an informed decision that I made based on looks and resale value
It makes sense to buy something others are going to want to pay reasonable money for when we are ready to move on
But then common sense seems to fail you
You are not a mechanic until you have done an apprentiship, only then are you a tradesman so dont pretend to be something you clearly arent
And all the mechanics i know would not pass judgement until they had seen and ridden the bike for themselves
Your not experienced or old enough to be a bike critic either
If you had ridden the bike there may have been some merit to your rumblings but alas they are merely rumblings
Your parents realy should have taught you discipline and respect
Never too late to learn you know
I am sure there are a few of us here on KB prepared to step in where your parents left off and teach you some manners


RESALE VALUE?

IF YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE A PRETTY BIKE THAT RIDES LIKE CRAP AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING DECENT JUST FOR RESALE VALUE, THEN I HOPE YOU NEVER LEAVE THE SUBURBS ON YOUR BIKE.

BIKES ARE FOR RIDING AND GETTING THE BLOOD PUMPING

PRETTY PAINT JOBS ARE FOR PULLING BITCHES.

I HAVE MY PRIORITIES RIGHT.

WOULD RATHER HAVE A BIKE THAN A WOMEN.

BIKES DON'T NAG AND YOU CAN RIDE THEM AS HARD AS YOU WANT WHENEVER YOU LIKE.

OH AND HAHAHA BUT NOT YOU AYE SM CUS U DON'T HAVE A LICENSE HAR DEE FUCKING HAR. BECAUSE SOME PSYCHO MOTHER FUCKER IN A CAR RAMMED MY BIKE SO HARD IT RIPPED THE FOORPEG RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER MY FOOT AND SHOVED ME INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC. OH YAY THAT WAS THE FUCKING HIGHLIGHT....

BUT OF COURSE IT MUSTVE BEEN MY FAULT....

NOT THE PROFESSIONAL BODY BUILDER PUMPED WITH TESTOSTERONE THINKING HES GOD THAT TRIED TO HIT ME OFF AND HIS MATES WHO WERE THE WITNESSES.....

SO OKAY THERE WE GO TAKEN AWAY TO OBVIOUS ATTACKS.....CAN YOU BE CREATIVE FOR ONCE?

FUCK KB CRACKS ME UP REALLY.

YOU JUST GOTTA LOVE HTE PACK MENTALITY AYE, SOMEBODY VOICES AN OPINION AND IT TURNS INTO A PACK RAPE.

IT'S OKAY ONCE YOU ALL GO BUY ONE IN 6 MONTHS WHEN ALL THE GOOD REVIEWS ARE OUT I CAN SAY....

TOLD YA SO.

GOOD NIGHT ALL.

SLEEP WELL

XOXOXOXOXOX ANYBODY WANNA GO HALVES ON A BABY?

SALLO'S KEEN I HEAR.

[skidMark]

JUST TO MINUS OUT SOME MORE COMEBACKS FROM U LAME BUGGERS.....

YES THE CAPS MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A BIG MAN/HARD/IMPORTANT/COOL/GOD.

HMMMM

PMS OR MENOPAUSE...AHAHAH GOOD ONE....HEARD IT...

HMMMM

GIRLFRIEND/ BOYFRIEND/ SISTER/ BROTHER/ MOTHER/ FATHER/ COUSIN/ UNCLE NOT PUTTING OUT MARK....ONCE AGAIN...HEARD IT.....

HMMMM

FORGOT YA MEDS AYE MARKY!...HEARD IT ...AND YEAH I HAVE :beer:

HMMMM

I'M SURE THERES PLENTY MORE, BUT CMON AT LEAST BE ORIGIONAL....

SOMETHING LIKE.

"YOU'RE HEAD IS SO FAR UP YOUR OWN ASS IT'S ON YOUR NECK AGAIN"

BUT I CAME UP WITH THAT.....COPYRIGHT skidMark INC. 2008 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

CHURR.

[MSTRS]

Oh dear.
You made some claims, based on what you think you know. Those claims were, and are, your opinion only. There is a small element of truth in what you said, but you made unfair comparisons...bit like saying a Trabant and a Mini are in the same class cos they are both small and cheap to run. However, you are knocking one of the most popular and long-lived models, ever, and you should have realised that was going to upset people. And then you defend your spoutings, instead of thinking that perhaps you were out of line.

And to those that think SM can be 'taught a lesson...' - think again. He's been here doing this shit since 3.6.2005 and he aint learned a thing in all that time.

[skidMark]

Oh dear.
You made some claims, based on what you think you know. Those claims were, and are, your opinion only. There is a small element of truth in what you said, but you made unfair comparisons...bit like saying a Trabant and a Mini are in the same class cos they are both small and cheap to run. However, you are knocking one of the most popular and long-lived models, ever, and you should have realised that was going to upset people. And then you defend your spoutings, instead of thinking that perhaps you were out of line.

And to those that think SM can be 'taught a lesson...' - think again. He's been here doing this shit since 3.6.2005 and he aint learned a thing in all that time.

yeah i never said they were anybody elses opinion but my own?

taught a lesson?

haha.

you can say i told you so as the put me in the ground.

[FilthyLuka]

yeah i never said they were anybody elses opinion but my own?


neither did MSTRS :)

[Meanie]

Oh dear.

And to those that think SM can be 'taught a lesson...' - think again. He's been here doing this shit since 3.6.2005 and he aint learned a thing in all that time.

Yep you got that right, no point in trying i guess, :oi-grr: just find his house and cut the telecom line :whistle:

[yod]

PRETTY PAINT JOBS ARE FOR PULLING BITCHES.



:rofl:

any of the "bitches" around here have an opinion on this?

[cowboyz]

Yep you got that right, no point in trying i guess, :oi-grr: just find his house and cut the telecom line :whistle:
dont have to. Havent you heard? he quit Kiwibiker.


:rofl:

any of the "bitches" around here have an opinion on this?

I was thinking of walking up town and asking random woman, firstly if they are "bitches" and secondly if they have an opinion but then I realised they would all still be in the kitchen.

Silly me.

[MSTRS]

yeah i never said they were anybody elses opinion but my own?

taught a lesson?

haha.

you can say i told you so as the put me in the ground.

Opinions are like armpits...everyone has two, and they both stink.
Or...
Opinions are like arseholes - we all got one, but very few are interested in seeing it.
As for your last line...dunno. I will certainly think that it was a waste of potential if it was because of something stupid you did, and you'd ignored advice that would have prevented it.
Even Peter Pan learned to grow up and be responsible.

[yod]

dont have to. Havent you heard? he quit Kiwibiker.


yeah about 10 this morning he put us all in our place and left, dramatically, forever...


...and has subsequently added a dozen more posts

[ynot slow]

IMHO.
Kinda like the old war of words between Holden and Ford Supporters, each loves their own particular brand. But FFS stop knocking something until you have actually TRIED IT.

Rant over

Choice analogy,I am ford through,like to give crap to holden people,and recieve it as well,don't get too worried over it,at Bathurst in 98,holden were leading early,and giving ford shit,we said see ya after 155 more laps,when it was obvious ford would win they were getting a bit pissed and didn't like the sheep jokes and other rubbish we gave them,some were fine some were just plain septic.
As for bikes who cares what people ride as long as they enjoy it.

Meanies' idea is similar to most people buying a learner bike for either son,daughter or partner,his choice for her and will enable a decent trade when ready to upgrade to a nice suzuki gsr600 or similar.And it is his choice,I'm sure his wife won't want to get her knee down quickly or see her demerit points rise above 60 in 6 months,maturity does have benefits.:Playnice:

[Meanie]

yeah about 10 this morning he put us all in our place and left, dramatically, forever...


...and has subsequently added a dozen more posts

Oh crap i knew it was too good to be true

[GSVR]

Oh crap i knew it was too good to be true

Hey don't hassle Skidmark he can't be all bad as he does own a Kawasaki.

[dickytoo]

Hey don't hassle Skidmark he can't be all bad as he does own a Kawasaki.

i was thinking all us kawasaki owners should take up a collection and buy mark a suzuki. imagine mark as a suzuki booster!:blink:

[MSTRS]

i was thinking all us kawasaki owners should take up a collection and buy mark a suzuki. imagine mark as a suzuki booster!:blink:

NOOOOO...then he'd just give Suzukis a bad name (too)

[dickytoo]

NOOOOO...then he'd just give Suzukis a bad name (too)

damn, you saw through my cunning plan - two birds with one stone!

[dave_a]

I went and checked one out today,VERY impressed with it ill be picking mine up on the 4th of febuary

[Rosie]

I went and checked one out today,VERY impressed with it ill be picking mine up on the 4th of febuary

Sweet. Will be interested to hear what it's like.

[scott411]

had a quick ride around town on one today, light and nimble, a bit torquer off the bottom than the old gpx, never got it out on the open road so do not know what it revs like,

[Meanie]

Just waiting for my wifes one to turn up, they got a red one but she realy wants the green one........... Happy now cowboyz
Should be here in a couple of weeks

[cowboyz]

Just waiting for my wifes one to turn up, they got a red one but she realy wants the green one........... Happy now cowboyz
Should be here in a couple of weeks

Fucking Mint.


Good things are worth waiting for.

[hornhonker]

Should be interesting to do a direct compare with an old CBR250RR. Anyone up to do this for us and report in ? :woohoo:

[jcupit69]

I've riden most 'sports' 250s and owned a zxr 250 c (now got an rs) and the old zxrs are a great 250 for commuting and giving a bit of stick to on the weekends or when eva you have time. But its a difficult place, if you want the best 250 and can afford it and have time for the work then the rs 250 is the best performing 250 there is, especially on the track, they are after all racing bikes 1st and road bikes 2nd, hence some of the draw backs. But no other 250 (aside form the rgv) are designed in the same way as the aprilia, and it shows, amazing in some areas (performance and handeling) and not so great in others (cost and maintinance). There not as uncomfy as you might think thow.
I do see the point in the hyosungs and the new 'sports' 250s but they just dont have the performance that the2 strokes and the older zxr and cbrs do. The hyos and the new 1s are much easier to get parts for and many think look the best.
It all sort of comes down to what you want, for out and out performance you cant over look the rs and the rgv (dam the end of 2stroke 250s!!!!). I personally think the zxr 250 c model gives a good balance between performance and practicallity, but then the new bikes do look good. (still think the rs looks better, many people will agree and many won't).
For me rs 250 if you can afford it, and a zxr if you want a good all rounder. Found the hyos disapointing when i rode it after my zxr and sorta expect the same from the new ninja from reading the specs; you neva know but it WONT have the power of the 2strokes, and it doesnt apper to have the brakes or the suspension of earlier zxrs, and i would question the performance, but we'll have to wait and see in sum areas, you neva know..

n.b. aprilias are a bitch to get parts for and cost a fortune......but my got their worth it if you can afford it

[cowboyz]

the whole point which, Skidmark missed entirely, and you dodged is that ALOT of people dont want a 250 to race. Especially a road 250. There is a hole in the market and that is nice looking full fairing 250s. Hyosung did a fantastic job with the GT250r. It is a full sized bike that looks very smart. Someone at kwaka woke up and realised that the 250 market is empty with new options and put the ninja 250r on the table and that man deserves a promotion. I dont expect they will be speed machines. Nor do I think anyone apart from squids expects them to be either. But they have a place on the road and I would expect they will be a very comfortable, good looking starter bike.

[cowboyz]

Should be interesting to do a direct compare with an old CBR250RR. Anyone up to do this for us and report in ? :woohoo:

not forgetting that the first and most obvious comparison between the ninja 250r and the cbr250 will be the age difference and offered warrentees.

[yod]

I've riden most 'sports' 250s and owned a zxr 250 c (now got an rs) and the old zxrs are a great 250 for commuting and giving a bit of stick to on the weekends or when eva you have time. But its a difficult place, if you want the best 250 and can afford it and have time for the work then the rs 250 is the best performing 250 there is, especially on the track, they are after all racing bikes 1st and road bikes 2nd, hence some of the draw backs. But no other 250 (aside form the rgv) are designed in the same way as the aprilia, and it shows, amazing in some areas (performance and handeling) and not so great in others (cost and maintinance). There not as uncomfy as you might think thow.
I do see the point in the hyosungs and the new 'sports' 250s but they just dont have the performance that the2 strokes and the older zxr and cbrs do. The hyos and the new 1s are much easier to get parts for and many think look the best.
It all sort of comes down to what you want, for out and out performance you cant over look the rs and the rgv (dam the end of 2stroke 250s!!!!). I personally think the zxr 250 c model gives a good balance between performance and practicallity, but then the new bikes do look good. (still think the rs looks better, many people will agree and many won't).
For me rs 250 if you can afford it, and a zxr if you want a good all rounder. Found the hyos disapointing when i rode it after my zxr and sorta expect the same from the new ninja from reading the specs; you neva know but it WONT have the power of the 2strokes, and it doesnt apper to have the brakes or the suspension of earlier zxrs, and i would question the performance, but we'll have to wait and see in sum areas, you neva know..

n.b. aprilias are a bitch to get parts for and cost a fortune......but my got their worth it if you can afford it


the whole point which, Skidmark missed entirely, and you dodged is that ALOT of people dont want a 250 to race. Especially a road 250. There is a hole in the market and that is nice looking full fairing 250s. Hyosung did a fantastic job with the GT250r. It is a full sized bike that looks very smart. Someone at kwaka woke up and realised that the 250 market is empty with new options and put the ninja 250r on the table and that man deserves a promotion. I dont expect they will be speed machines. Nor do I think anyone apart from squids expects them to be either. But they have a place on the road and I would expect they will be a very comfortable, good looking starter bike.

2-smokers are more expensive to run (at $15-$20 per litre of oil plus gas), as well as maintain, are not really an ideal learner machine as they're more in league with 400-500cc 4-strokes in terms of power and speed, and not entirely practical as an everyday commuter (imho)


but they are an obsceeeeeene load of fun:lol:

[motorbyclist]

ok, i gave up reading by post 25 and have come to a conclusion:

this thread is full of fail, mostly on skidmark's behalf - having ridden a few 250's doesn't make you of all people an expert.


and USD forks mean very little; they're just a small component of handling along with tyre choice, weight distribution, frame dynamics, rider skill/style/weight and engine characteristics. my nc30 with "old forks" has proved just as if not more capable as corners than any modern sportsbike that i've met, but again that comes down to rider skill/stupidity along with the rest of the bike. heck even an fxr150 handles well, just it's lacking power

though my initial impression today, sitting on the just-sold ninja at mt eden, was that is was just another gsx/gpx250 but better dressed and less comfortable... and wider than it needs to be.... and omg the cry of surprise and disappointment when i looked into the fairings and saw the engine

if i were a learner, choosing between the hobag and the "fake zxr" i'd save 4 or 5 grand and get another fxr150; reliable, proven, and cheap so it wont matter if i bail like most learners do

ok, didn't mean to post anything beyond "full of fail", but my backspace key is getting worn out so i'll leave it

[EnzoYug]

ok, i gave up reading by post 25 and have come to a conclusion:
this thread is full of fail,

i concur. the argument, along with it's arguers is stupid. unless someone here has a vested interest in selling these bikes - you're wasting time talking shit.

i hate to say it, but I actually prefer the "omg I got fucked at the used car lot / the police are fucking stupid / i shouldn't done that 360 backflip whilst lanesplitting backwards down tamaki drive" threads to this.

at least they are interesting

[skidMark]

the whole point which, Skidmark missed entirely, and you dodged is that ALOT of people dont want a 250 to race. Especially a road 250. There is a hole in the market and that is nice looking full fairing 250s.


As a learner you are limited to a 250cc.

Doesn't mean i want something slow?

my 250 lets me commute, cane the hell out of it on the open road. and take it to the track.

many learners have different needs, the simple point of this thread was to describe if these bikes will meet thier needs.

anyways.

you also said a great starter bike, if you stick with the same bike it has to last you 2 years, until you can upgrade.

and screw being stuck on the new ninja for that long.

you would find it's limits too quickly

fine if you want something to goto uni and work and back it's fine.

but out on the open road it doesn't cut it.

riding the GPX for 6 months was bad enough.

anyways cowboyz.

your a cock.

[skidMark]

i was thinking all us kawasaki owners should take up a collection and buy mark a suzuki. imagine mark as a suzuki booster!:blink:

i wouldnt ride it, the frame would snap.


I went and checked one out today,VERY impressed with it ill be picking mine up on the 4th of febuary


yes do indeed let us know. then ride a ZXR.

i need a laugh.

[yod]

but out on the open road it doesn't cut it.


what 250 does? what are we talking here, a difference of 5-6hp? hardly significant....

and btw man, resorting to out and out abuse just makes you seem like a complete idiot; give that and your mad desire to try and impress a bit of a rest and you might get a more favourable response from people

[skidMark]

what 250 does? what are we talking here, a difference of 5-6hp? hardly significant....

and btw man, resorting to out and out abuse just makes you seem like a complete idiot; give that and your mad desire to try and impress a bit of a rest and you might get a more favourable response from people

power doesnt bother me it's suspension and braking i need.

[cowboyz]

yawn....................

[skidMark]

yawn....................


run outta material, oh poor darling.

just to think i was starting to respect you as being witty.

just face it, you will never be the man like i am okay, leave the stirring and trolling to the big boys.

go back to your chatter rings.

[Richard Mc F]

Mark......havn't you fucked off yet

[imdying]

ALOT of people dont want a 250 to race. Especially a road 250. There is a hole in the market and that is nice looking full fairing 250s. Hyosung did a fantastic job with the GT250r. It is a full sized bike that looks very smart.QFTMFT :yes:

[imdying]

As a learner you are limited to a 250cc.

Doesn't mean i want something slow?Don't be so self absorbed, the point he's making is that it's not all about you. All most people want from a 250 is something to learn on, anyone that doesn't want to go slow either buys a 2 stroke or a bigger bike.

[yod]

just face it, you will never be the man like i am okay


:laugh::rofl::killingme

keep going....this'll be entertaining


:corn:

[dave_a]

yes do indeed let us know. then ride a ZXR.

i need a laugh.

how about I ride it round to your place and smack you in the head.

[yod]

:corn:

....

[skidMark]

how about I ride it round to your place and smack you in the head.


sure..... make sure you stay on SH1 though.

wouldn't wanna try take a corner on it.

[FilthyLuka]

your a cock.

I know you are you said you are but what am i?

:first:

[yod]

:corn:


....

[scott411]

this has got out of hand,

Mark made his opinion at the start, and most people seem to disagree with it, and by judging by the number of emails and phone calls i recieved this week the 250 buying public does as well,

its a great bike, it was never designed to be a ZXR250, (if new one was released new here it would probebly be around $12000-$13000 RRP and be sale proof)

as what was said about the desgner needing a promtion, two right, this is a huge model for kawasaki and a great way to get people into a brand. and with the 650 twins as the next step up they have a pathway to keep people on thier brand,

this bike is going to be here for a while, and i presume promotoed quite heaverly, thier is talk about kawasaki running a learner race series in the US for these as well,

[FilthyLuka]

And a dyno graph

looks like the red line is the overlay of the old GPX with a two bro's pipe added. Comparing that with the Yoshi kitted 08, it looks like the new GPX has smoother power delivery and a pit more oomph between 9 and 11k rpm. Looks like considerably more bottom end too...

same engine eh? looks like that same engine has been tweaked by mr kawasaki

[scott411]

its not the same engine, it has a whole new head design, using shim and buckets rather than the old tappits, 30% or bottom to mid power is claimed

it is the same bore and stroke and thats about it,

[cowboyz]

BUT SKIDDY SAID..............

[jcupit69]

True, this forum has got way off topic, when its really quite simple...

want speed.....get a 2 stroke

want an all rounder with speed......get an early zxr or cbr

want a new bike to learn on.....get a hyo or the new ninja.

Hyos and ninjas have their place in the market as new good looking bikes to learn on, that arent to fast for a 1st bike. Many have said and are totally correct, 2 strokes arent a good learner bike, and in some cases you shouldnt go n jump straight on a cbr or early zxr eitha.

Some do want 250s to thrash on, and they'll go get 2strokes and old ninjas, and those that want a bike to cruise around on will go for the new 1s.

All the new ninja means is theres now something more in the 250 market for people to choose so they can get the bike that suits them and their needs.

Also its good to see a new 250 sports bike so their might be a few less hyos being seen on the roads, there everywhere!!!! The guy at kawazaki who came up with it has to get a promo, cus the new bike should make them a f*$%ing fortune!!!!

[cowboyz]

i'm sick of repeating myself.


Mark.

Dont you mean contradicting yourself?

Most people who have the experience to ride quicker than a learner 250 allows have enough sense to keep their licence long enough to upgrade to something that is more comfortable at higher speeds than a learner 250.


BTW. Seen one in the flesh now. Your Opinion is wrong. Plain and simple.

[cowboyz]

once again you type before engaging brain.

[Morcs]

As a learner you are limited to a 250cc.

Doesn't mean i want something slow?

my 250 lets me commute, cane the hell out of it on the open road. and take it to the track.

many learners have different needs, the simple point of this thread was to describe if these bikes will meet thier needs.

anyways.

you also said a great starter bike, if you stick with the same bike it has to last you 2 years, until you can upgrade.

and screw being stuck on the new ninja for that long.

you would find it's limits too quickly

fine if you want something to goto uni and work and back it's fine.

but out on the open road it doesn't cut it.

riding the GPX for 6 months was bad enough.

anyways cowboyz.

your a cock.

Seriously mark, comparing performance between say a gpx 250 and a zxr 250 is pointless... they are almost the same.

Comparing slow with slow. Gay with gay.

[cowboyz]

but the ENTIRE point is it is NOT about speed. Speed is one aspect of motorcycling and may be surprising to some that there are alot around who couldnt give a flying fuck if their bike can do a quarter in 10 seconds or not. Any modern 250 sport/tourer will do 100k and for alot of people that is enough. Some even enjoy touring at legal pace.

[mitchilin]

I haven"t read this tread but isn"t a 250 ninja an oxymoron?Ninja's used to be scary and I accept the GPz 600 as a ninja in 1986 or when ever the fuck it was BUT anything smaller since?Nah..fuck off.Never owned a ninja, always wanted one but fuck I think Kawasaki sold out the name./

[cowboyz]

Actually that I do agree with. It is kind of annoying that saying you have a "ninja" can mean just about anything.

Off the top of my head and see if we can figure out how many models there actually are that are referred to as "ninja"

Gpx 250
Gpz 250
Ex 250
zxr 250
zzr 250
zxr400
zxr 600
zxr750
zx9r
zx10r
zx12r
zx14
gpz500
ex500(?)
gpz(x)?600
zzr600

years ranging from 1985 to 2008

more? I know there are more.....

[Maki]

In all my years of reading and posting in internet forums I have to say I never felt as sorry for any poster as I feel for SM. My advice for him is to take a break from the internet, preferably a long one, and enjoy what the real world has to offer.

Your first post, SM is poorly informed and prejudiced. Instead of just admitting it and getting on with life you just dig yourself a deeper grave. RIP.

Next time you post a write up on a bike, at least test it yourself first, ok?

[GSVR]

In all my years of reading and posting in internet forums I have to say I never felt as sorry for any poster as I feel for SM. My advice for him is to take a break from the internet, preferably a long one, and enjoy what the real world has to offer.

Your first post, SM is poorly informed and prejudiced. Instead of just admitting it and getting on with life you just dig yourself a deeper grave. RIP.

Next time you post a write up on a bike, at least test it yourself first, ok?


Congradulations on your first post dude. Hope you didn't create a new ID just for this.

[dave_a]

why is SM not banned yet, he brings the whole community down in the eyes of the public

[yod]

Actually that I do agree with. It is kind of annoying that saying you have a "ninja" can mean just about anything.

Off the top of my head and see if we can figure out how many models there actually are that are referred to as "ninja"

Gpx 250
Gpz 250
Ex 250
zxr 250
zzr 250
zxr400
zxr 600
zxr750
zx9r
zx10r
zx12r
zx14
gpz500
ex500(?)
gpz(x)?600
zzr600

years ranging from 1985 to 2008

more? I know there are more.....



ER6 (the mouse machine?)
GPz400
GPz900R (THE original, i can't believe you left it out!! :nono:)
GPz1000RX
GPz750
GPz750 turbo thing?
GPX400
GPX600
GPX750

all from around '84 onwards

seen the moni beast in the flesh this evening....oh HELL yes, that things sweet, wouldnt matter if it was red, blue, black or green - apparently Meanie is taking it for a strop through the gorge tomorrow, now mrs yod is talking about getting her licence!!:clap:

[cowboyz]

yeah. it is as nice as I thought it would be. See Meanie clench the keys a little tighter every time I walk past............

[yod]

yeah. it is as nice as I thought it would be. See Meanie clench the keys a little tighter every time I walk past............

you wanna see Meanie key clenching, wait til she upgrades....

i tracked her for a while this evening and its obvious she's no learner, good lines and corner confidence, she'll be roasting along in no time, go Moni

and the "no faster than 80" rule for running it in got real old, real fast...

[rwh]

why is SM not banned yet, he brings the whole community down in the eyes of the public

In the eyes of the shallow members of the public (that can be bothered reading KB).

Including the shallow members of the community.

:whocares:

Richard

[GSVR]

ER6 (the mouse machine?)
GPz400
GPz900R (THE original, i can't believe you left it out!! :nono:)
GPz1000RX
GPz750
GPz750 turbo thing?
GPX400
GPX600
GPX750

all from around '84 onwards

seen the moni beast in the flesh this evening....oh HELL yes, that things sweet, wouldnt matter if it was red, blue, black or green - apparently Meanie is taking it for a strop through the gorge tomorrow, now mrs yod is talking about getting her licence!!:clap:


The Ashhurst Ninja Turtles.

Leonardo (Blue)(Meanie) Leonardo is courageous, decisive, and a devoted student of martial arts. As a strict adherent to Bushido, he has a very strong sense of honor and justice. He wears a blue mask and wields a pair of ninjaken (literally "ninja sword"), although every incarnation identifies his swords as "katana." He is named after Leonardo Da Vinci.

Raphael (Red)(CowBoyz) The team's anti-social bad boy, Raphael has an aggressive nature and seldom hesitates to throw the first punch. His personality can be alternately fierce and sarcastic. He resents Leonardo at times because of his position of authority. Raphael wears a red mask and wields a pair of sai. He is named after Raphael Sanzio.

Michelangelo (Orange)(Monnie) The easy-going and free-spirited Michelangelo provides much of the comic relief. While he loves to relax, this Turtle also has an adventurous and creative side. He wears an orange mask and wields a pair of nunchaku. He is named after Michelangelo Buonarroti. His name was originally misspelled "Michaelangelo" by Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman.

Donatello (Purple)(Mouse) The brilliant scientist, inventor, engineer, and technological genius. He is perhaps the least violent Turtle, preferring to use his intellect to solve conflicts. He wears a purple mask and wields the bo staff. He is named after the sculptor Donatello.

If your heading thru Ashhurst watch out for the Ninja Turtle Gang :lol:

[NZsarge]

Sheez Garry, where do you drag this shit up from?! :killingme nice.

[cowboyz]

wasnt there a rat that rode a suzuki in the ninja turtles?

[325rocket]

In all my years of reading and posting in internet forums I have to say I never felt as sorry for any poster as I feel for SM.

Your first post, SM is poorly informed and prejudiced.

Next time you post a write up on a bike, at least test it yourself first, ok?


you must be new here ...
welcome ... meet mark

[skidMark]

Seriously mark, comparing performance between say a gpx 250 and a zxr 250 is pointless... they are almost the same.

Comparing slow with slow. Gay with gay.

As i said pete. i do not mean performance engine wise.

i mean suspension wise.

[cowpoos]

run outta material, oh poor darling.

just to think i was starting to respect you as being witty.

just face it, you will never be the man like i am okay, leave the stirring and trolling to the big boys.

go back to your chatter rings.
Do you actually realise how many people you annoy with these sorts of comments...they are beyond being checky [which you are a cheeky bugger..and nothing wrong with cheeki-ness to a point at all]...but there is a point where you go a little to far??

[yod]

ya left out splinter....

[GSVR]

wasnt there a rat that rode a suzuki in the ninja turtles?


ya left out splinter....

Seems like Raphael wants you to join his group there Yod. Hell probably offer you some cheese next.

[yod]

wasnt there a rat that rode a suzuki in the ninja turtles?

correct.

he was the master.

enough said.

[phallic]

So back to the topic..... Has anyone been for a ride on the bike yet and want to give some feedback?

[HornetBoy]

Suppose this thread is good for people who want to double post and get their "post count up" ....Well hopefully their starts to be some valuable info in this thread not just Skiddy and co arguing just makes it annoyign to have to flick through 10 pages of b.s just to get to the proper info and advice

[Maki]

I will give you the benefit of a doubt, SM. Here is the chance to actually "help people". You wrote: "because i actually help people. origional post was to help people. not diss the bike." Ok, I am a rider with virtually no experience looking for my first bike. I want something to learn on and I obviously can't get anything bigger than a 250 because of the rules. I would like something reliable and reasonably sporty.

Here is your chance to help me. You can do so by answering the following questions. I am sure this will help others too.

1. Whats my best bet in todays market if I want a NEW reliable and sporty bike that's 250 cc or less and I don't want the Hyosung. (It looks to me like an overpriced, overweight, unreliable rust bucket.)

2. "The Hyosung GT250R was infact origionally designed by Kawasaki but for some reason the plans were sold."
Says who, and so what?

3. "The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)"
The same bike? I was under the impression that the engine was different, the wheels a different size and the suspension is different. Am I wrong? If I am, then please contact Kawasaki and ask them to correct the information on this website: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/detail.aspx?id=263&content=specifications

4. In what way are upside down forks better than right side up forks?

5. "the tyres on them arn't even a low profile, which these days limits you alot." The tyres on the 2008 are not low profile? If not, then whats stopping you from putting low profile tyres on it?

6. Are the brakes on the 2008 Kawasaki inadequate? For road use? For track use? How do you know?

7. If you want a "real sportsbike", then why would you even consider a 250? A beginning rider needs a real sportsbike about as bad as he needs cancer of the ass. An experienced rider who wants a "real sportsbike" would want something with a powerful engine, 600 at least, right? Seems to me a 250 is never going to be a real sportsbike.

8. In my experience the most important single specification that defines whether a motor vehicle is really sporty is the weight. Less weight = better braking, better acceleration and better cornering. The dry mass of a hyosung gt250r is 171kg. The dry mass of the 2008 Kawasaki 250 is 151kg. To me that difference means a great deal, more than 2 huge front brake disks that probably contribute more to increasing the unsprung rolling weight of the Hyosung than any meaningful usable brake performance. What makes the Hyosung more sporty than the Kawasaki? The fact that it has a more uncomfortable riding position?

Answer these simple questions please.

[cowboyz]

So back to the topic..... Has anyone been for a ride on the bike yet and want to give some feedback?
pm meanie. he has one next door sitting in his garage if you really want to know the ins and outs of them but its only got 150k on the clock so probably not really keen for a review till some ks are put on it.

Suppose this thread is good for people who want to double post and get their "post count up" ....Well hopefully their starts to be some valuable info in this thread not just Skiddy and co arguing just makes it annoyign to have to flick through 10 pages of b.s just to get to the proper info and advice

Heres a bit of free advice. Anytime you see a post from skidmark you will know there will be no valuable information in the thread.

[skidMark]

I will give you the benefit of a doubt, SM. Here is the chance to actually "help people". You wrote: "because i actually help people. origional post was to help people. not diss the bike." Ok, I am a rider with virtually no experience looking for my first bike. I want something to learn on and I obviously can't get anything bigger than a 250 because of the rules. I would like something reliable and reasonably sporty.

Here is your chance to help me. You can do so by answering the following questions. I am sure this will help others too.

1. Whats my best bet in todays market if I want a NEW reliable and sporty bike that's 250 cc or less and I don't want the Hyosung. (It looks to me like an overpriced, overweight, unreliable rust bucket.)

Your two options are the new ninja and the hyosung.

There is the cbr150 and yzf150's coming out, but i don't think they are going to be the gruntiest thing ever.

2. "The Hyosung GT250R was infact origionally designed by Kawasaki but for some reason the plans were sold."
Says who, and so what?

I spend 16 hours a day on the internet, sure i can remember exactly where i got that info from **roll eyes** Was just a bit of info.

3. "The GPX/Ninja....(it's the same bike just with pretty panels and some changes,same suspension riding position high up bars instead of "clip-on's", just admit it)"
The same bike? I was under the impression that the engine was different, the wheels a different size and the suspension is different. Am I wrong? If I am, then please contact Kawasaki and ask them to correct the information on this website: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/detail.aspx?id=263&content=specifications

Did you really wan't my serious help or do you need to be a toss about it?

4. In what way are upside down forks better than right side up forks?

I never said they were, simply in this case the bikes with USD's in question had more adjustments than those running non USD's

5. "the tyres on them arn't even a low profile, which these days limits you alot." The tyres on the 2008 are not low profile? If not, then whats stopping you from putting low profile tyres on it?

they are already err where did i say that? COLOR]

6. Are the brakes on the 2008 Kawasaki inadequate? For road use? For track use? How do you know?

[COLOR=lime]It's a single disc, non floating. The same brakes used on the origional. obviously twin discs is better.

7. If you want a "real sportsbike", then why would you even consider a 250? A beginning rider needs a real sportsbike about as bad as he needs cancer of the ass. An experienced rider who wants a "real sportsbike" would want something with a powerful engine, 600 at least, right? Seems to me a 250 is never going to be a real sportsbike.

Beginner riders still need it to go round a corner, they will have it a minimum of 2 years.

about probably between 30,000-80,000k's

it's the corners where it matters unless you solely commute, and even then you need something reasonable or when they upgrade to a "real sportsbike" as you call it, they won't be able to ride it for shit.


where as i go on my ZXR250, and can hop on my mates 2006 ZX10r with 15k+ of modifications and ride it quite happily. just like my ZXR250 handling wise reacts how i expect etc.

just 17 years advanced in technology.

new Ninja uses the same forks and axle the used in the GPX 250 Ninja in 1988.
8. In my experience the most important single specification that defines whether a motor vehicle is really sporty is the weight. Less weight = better braking, better acceleration and better cornering. The dry mass of a hyosung gt250r is 171kg. The dry mass of the 2008 Kawasaki 250 is 151kg. To me that difference means a great deal, more than 2 huge front brake disks that probably contribute more to increasing the unsprung rolling weight of the Hyosung than any meaningful usable brake performance. What makes the Hyosung more sporty than the Kawasaki? The fact that it has a more uncomfortable riding position?

Did you even read the first post?, ride the ninja, then ride a gt250r, tell me which stops quicker and doesn't dive like a submarine.

Answer these simple questions please.

Just did.

SM:cool:.................

[Maki]

Thanks for your effort, SM. "I spend 16 hours a day on the internet"...

"Did you really wan't my serious help or do you need to be a toss about it?"
A bit of both.


"I never said they were, simply in this case the bikes with USD's in question had more adjustments than those running non USD's".
Ok.


"obviously twin discs is better."
More unsprung rotating weight is obviously better?


"where as i go on my ZXR250, and can hop on my mates 2006 ZX10r with 15k+ of modifications and ride it quite happily. just like my ZXR250 handling wise reacts how i expect etc."
Your mate is a trusting soul.


"Did you even read the first post?, ride the ninja, then ride a gt250r, tell me which stops quicker and doesn't dive like a submarine."
Maybe that's what you should have done before you started this whole thing? Actually ridden both bikes. It would have helped to do some research too, especially since you spend 16 hours a day on the internet.


Thanks again for taking the time...

[Meanie]

The Ashhurst Ninja Turtles.

Leonardo (Blue)(Meanie) Leonardo is courageous, decisive, and a devoted student of martial arts. As a strict adherent to Bushido, he has a very strong sense of honor and justice. He wears a blue mask and wields a pair of ninjaken (literally "ninja sword"), although every incarnation identifies his swords as "katana." He is named after Leonardo Da Vinci.

Raphael (Red)(CowBoyz) The team's anti-social bad boy, Raphael has an aggressive nature and seldom hesitates to throw the first punch. His personality can be alternately fierce and sarcastic. He resents Leonardo at times because of his position of authority. Raphael wears a red mask and wields a pair of sai. He is named after Raphael Sanzio.

Michelangelo (Orange)(Monnie) The easy-going and free-spirited Michelangelo provides much of the comic relief. While he loves to relax, this Turtle also has an adventurous and creative side. He wears an orange mask and wields a pair of nunchaku. He is named after Michelangelo Buonarroti. His name was originally misspelled "Michaelangelo" by Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman.

Donatello (Purple)(Mouse) The brilliant scientist, inventor, engineer, and technological genius. He is perhaps the least violent Turtle, preferring to use his intellect to solve conflicts. He wears a purple mask and wields the bo staff. He is named after the sculptor Donatello.

If your heading thru Ashhurst watch out for the Ninja Turtle Gang :lol:

Garry you have far too much time on your hands :oi-grr:
Well done though

[zeocen]

Suppose this thread is good for people who want to double post and get their "post count up" ....Well hopefully their starts to be some valuable info in this thread not just Skiddy and co arguing just makes it annoyign to have to flick through 10 pages of b.s just to get to the proper info and advice

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1391419&postcount=15 and Maki's seem to cover most basics if you want the 'other end of the stick' from Mark's post.

Not all of this thread is 'rant and rave'.

[skidMark]

"obviously twin discs is better."
More unsprung rotating weight is obviously better?



The surface area is double.

fo and extra 1kg or less of weight i would rather have more than double the front braking surface area....

my zxr stops a heck of alot quicker than my gpx ever did.

it's stuff all more rotating weight....the gain in braking far outweighs the extra weight.

up to you, everybody has thier own view.

[arj127]

- never intended as a sportsbike. -

Not every 250cc rider wants to buy a "sports bike"

[GSVR]

The surface area is double.

fo and extra 1kg or less of weight i would rather have more than double the front braking surface area....

my zxr stops a heck of alot quicker than my gpx ever did.

it's stuff all more rotating weight....the gain in braking far outweighs the extra weight.

up to you, everybody has thier own view.

Actually Mark the reason these types of bikes aren't fitted with super powerful brakes that can pull up a bike from high speed is they are generally ridden by newer riders.

If a newer rider comes across a hazard sometimes due to inexperience their SRs kick in and they grab a handful of brakes. If the bike had sensitive brakes this would almost certainly result in them going over the bars or washing the front out.

Sometimes less is actually more.

[jeremysprite]

For anyone buying a GPX, if the suspension is too soft for you, I'd suggest buying some Racetech springs for them, about US$90 a pop. Replace the rear as well, if you've got the coin.
About $400 all up I'd guess, and you'd have a wicked hot p-twin cornerer.
I used to be able to keep up with my (slightly more cautious) friend on his NSR around the twisties, give the GPX some decent suspension and I'd say the sports 250's would have a good challenge.

[delusionz]

Yeah, Come to think of it I actually found the ZXR250 too intimidating to even touch before I got my first 250. GPX was the only bike that I could mount and ride at first.



Update: I rode Sam's ZXR250 today and it put a mile long smile on my face and made my GPX feel like a piece of shit little toy cruiser minichopper thing :(
I see the light but that doesn't retract from what I just said above though...

Hmmm... I wanna super screamer now :(

[Grantasaurus]

yes 250's are absolutely gutless....ive ridden zx10r's....hop back on a 250 and it's like a scooter.


SM

Who was the fucken idiot who let you ride their ZX10?
I saw you heading through Newmarket once and you were riding like a complete meataxe. Anybody who lets you on a litrebike with you riding it like that deserves everything that happens to it.

[Maki]

Finally found a comment from an experienced rider who has actually ridden the new Kawasaki 250:

"I purchased this bike back in Late Sept. as it was the first one available in Ohio (heh, they had it for a demo but I refused to leave the store without it) My reason behind purchasing this bike is because my 05 GSX-R 600 was stolen and this was the only bike they had that was black as I hate bright flashy colors I had to have black. At first site I thought it was a 600 but was shocked to find out it was actually the new 250 ninja. I didn't get to ride it too long as Ohios' weather really didn't permit me to with the rain, freezing cold, and snow. But I was about to put 1200 miles on it. This is what I was about you find out about it in that time. I'm 5'11" 192 pound yet the torque and power amazingly pulled my @$$ around with absolutely no problems. It is a very intelligently built bike as the weight distribution (and I feel bad for saying it) was MUCH better than my 600 GSX-R I thought it was going to be awkward going from a bigger bike to this one but it was quiet the opposite. The brake fade at the track was very minimal, throwing it around in the corners was a breeze. I'm not too fond of the clutch but thats something I will work on throttle response is excellent, the power and torque will make you think this is a bigger bike than a 250. Open road (highway) riding is a little rougher than I am use to but the suspension isn't broke in yet either. As far as the look goes (and this is my opinion) a rear fender eliminator kit and undertail section is about all this bike needs. I'd like to get rid of the mirrors and slap some LED turn signals in there but for a new rider I wouldn't recomend doing that. All in all if your a new rider and looking for a great starter bike this is the ride you not only need but will want! This little bike has changed my perspective about my old GSX-R 600 and I've taken more pre-cautions in making sure this one doesn't get stolen. I can't wait for warm weather so I can get myself more fimiliar with this little machine until then when I go into the garage I try to find something to do to try to make it better until then and always come up with the same conclusion............. The setup on this bike is absolutely awesome! Way to go Kawasaki, You've earned a new fan of Kawasaki Motorsports."

http://cycleposers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170&Itemid=44

I think these comments put things into perspective (He came on this bike off a GSX-R 600):

"The brake fade at the track was very minimal"
If the brakes are good enough for track use, then they must be great for the street.

"throwing it around in the corners was a breeze"

Sounds good to me. This does raise one big question though. Now that this bike is available, why would anyone even consider the Hyosung 250? It's heavier, has less power and it actually costs more.

[cowboyz]

i agree. I think anyone going from a IL4 600 to a P2 250 and raving about the power and braking ability probably wasnt riding the 600 well in the first place. In saying that I stand that the new ninja definitely has its place in the market and a strong one at that.

[Maki]

Come on. Look past the fact the he disses the mighty gixxer a little. The point is that this is someone who is experienced and rides on the track. His comments make a nonsense of what SM originally said. Great brakes, good handling and enough power to move his a@@. What more could you ask for in a learners bike?

Would anyone prefer to pay more for a 250 Hyosung? If so, please explain why?

[dave_a]

chazza_404 and I just both brought brand new bikes

I am 5'9 and he is 6'2

I got a ninja and he got the hyosung, Only reason was because he felt more comfortable on the hyo due to its bigger size

so i guess if your over 6 ft the hyo is probably a "better" choice

[Maki]

chazza_404 and I just both brought brand new bikes

I am 5'9 and he is 6'2

I got a ninja and he got the hyosung, Only reason was because he felt more comfortable on the hyo due to its bigger size

so i guess if your over 6 ft the hyo is probably a "better" choice


Cool, congrats! That makes sense, and the hyo does look pretty. Please let us know how you get on with your bikes.

[cowboyz]

Come on. Look past the fact the he disses the mighty gixxer a little. The point is that this is someone who is experienced and rides on the track. His comments make a nonsense of what SM originally said. Great brakes, good handling and enough power to move his a@@. What more could you ask for in a learners bike?

Would anyone prefer to pay more for a 250 Hyosung? If so, please explain why?

well I guess that depends on what "enough power" really means. It is all relative and power is adictive. I used to think my 250 was quick till I brought my 600 and I used to think my 600 was quick till I brought the 9.

[Maki]

I drove a car with around 370 horsepower and thought that was quick until I drove this thing:

http://www.bilavefur.net/album/thumbnails.php?album=180

That is viciously powerful and it does not even have seatbelts. Power is indeed relative.

[yod]

I drove a car with around 370 horsepower and thought that was quick until I drove this thing:

http://www.bilavefur.net/album/thumbnails.php?album=180

That is viciously powerful and it does not even have seatbelts. Power is indeed relative.


was chatting to a young guy the other night with a 550hp R32 GTR Skyline after he spotted the RF (i used to own a skyline so i know a bit about them)

skyline dude: "what sort of power is your bike?"
yod:" 'bout 120 i think"
skyline dude: "so would I have a chance?"
yod: "nah"
:lol:"

[CHOPPA]

my lil sis just got her ninja 250r on sat and from what i could find it was the best new learner bike out there in the class, im gonna buy her an exhaust for it just for shits and giggles. I went for a ride and its really easy to ride had good power good brakes and is far better quality then the hyosung it also looks like my race bikes and at the end of the day thats the most you can ask for because its always going to only be a 250...

The only prob with her purchase is she didnt get it from MR Motorcycles!! sorry scotty she was so excited after passing her test she went straight into the very first kawasaki shop and paid full retail! Not assuming we would have got a discount on such a cheap bike from you but it would have been worth a try!! :)

[Maki]

my lil sis just got her ninja 250r on sat and from what i could find it was the best new learner bike out there in the class, im gonna buy her an exhaust for it just for shits and giggles. I went for a ride and its really easy to ride had good power good brakes and is far better quality then the hyosung it also looks like my race bikes and at the end of the day thats the most you can ask for because its always going to only be a 250...

:)

More positive comments from people who HAVE ACTUALLY RIDDEN THE BIKE. I get mine in the beginning of March, I can't wait.

I guess people who are too big for the Kawasaki will still have to make do with the Hyosung, poor sods...

[phiretrojan]

so i take it hyosung are ok to ride? as when i got my Fxr150 woot woo lol, i told them i was planning on buying the new Model and all i got quoted was "NEVER BY a hyosung ... or ill be seeing you all the time, the parts are really crap, and fall, the guy told me he fixed more hyosung than any other bike, i was looking at the ninja 250r! they look really sexy lol, my dream tho is a 2007 Suzuki GSXR600 K7

[CRF119]

Even if the Hyosung and the Ninja arent much more then a 1992 CBR250 id still have the CBR250 over both. Im currently saving for a CBR250 i cant say much for how the other bikes go but i have ridden a 250Bandit and a 250CBR and i like both, the CBR has alloy frame produces more Hp and is much lighter then both of those new bikes. They are cheap for a reason, the ninja i would have but a Hyosung i cant even pronounce that. Just my 2 cents

[Bonez]

wasnt there a rat that rode a suzuki in the ninja turtles?

You called?

[dave_a]

More positive comments from people who HAVE ACTUALLY RIDDEN THE BIKE. I get mine in the beginning of March, I can't wait.

I guess people who are too big for the Kawasaki will still have to make do with the Hyosung, poor sods...


hey man you wernt the guy I talked to outside motorad when I picked mine up where you?

I havent had much experience with other road bikes but from what i can tell in my 200 kms of riding it seems to be a beauty to ride,

check the 250 thread theres some pics of it in there

and dont listen to the idiots putting bad rep on u for posting in this thread they keep bombing me with ridiculous rep :whocares:

[cowboyz]

your bike looks fucking mint in green. well done.

[FilthyLuka]

your bike looks fucking mint in green. well done.

GGAAAH!!! ENOUGH WITH THE PUNS!!!

But your bike does look very nice, hope you enjoy it

[dave_a]

cheers guys!

if anyone wants any photos of it or wants to ask any questions go nuts

[Maki]

hey man you wernt the guy I talked to outside motorad when I picked mine up where you?

I havent had much experience with other road bikes but from what i can tell in my 200 kms of riding it seems to be a beauty to ride,

check the 250 thread theres some pics of it in there

and dont listen to the idiots putting bad rep on u for posting in this thread they keep bombing me with ridiculous rep :whocares:


No, that wasn't me. I was there a while ago and wanted to take a green one they had right away. My wife vetoed it and said I should wait for a red one. Who am I to contradict the boss...

[dave_a]

that green one was the one I brought :laugh:

[skidMark]

Went and crawled all over one at the local delaer on tuesday. Had an 07 gpx right next to it brand new also so compared.


The dislikes:


header pipes half the diameter of the 07 gpx...

horrible footpegs.

front fairing joins up to tank so no room to add clip ons so no mods there

same forks.....

same brake caliper

swingarm is very similar jus very slightttt tweaks.

brake rotors are different simply because they have butterflyd it.

Very similar handle bars...just slight changes in looks but same rise and basic mount.
Things i liked:


The tail light
The headlight (although in pictures the bike looks wide in person it looks narrow i think mainly due to how the front fairing runs up to the tank.
The gauge cluster, they have gone with quite a modern look like that of the zx10r etc with the speedo in the middle of the cluster with warning and function lights either side, quite big, but it fills the area nicely.
(I'm sure ive forgotton alot of the differences)

In summary on the likes it does have some nice features, but for me it's not enough new goodies yes all the peg hangers and so on are reshaped from the of the 07 gpx, but nothing that makes you go wow. they have just redesigned alot of things to look better but the sports commuter feel to the whole bike is there. Which is very apparent upon veiwing it is the new GPX yes alot of stuff has changed but almost all for cosmetics. Which i spose is what you want from a sports commuter.

The riding position is quite upright for alot of commuting and running round rather than low slung clipons. so more comfort yes, but i would rather have control over comfort.

Give me a zxr anyday.

It's one of the few bikes you see that lets down severly in person from photos. To me a good bike is one you see in pictures and think it's nice then see it in person and it's even better. The 2008 ninja did not achieve this.

skidMark.

[skidMark]

Yeah, Come to think of it I actually found the ZXR250 too intimidating to even touch before I got my first 250. GPX was the only bike that I could mount and ride at first.



Update: I rode Sam's ZXR250 today and it put a mile long smile on my face and made my GPX feel like a piece of shit little toy cruiser minichopper thing :(
I see the light but that doesn't retract from what I just said above though...

Hmmm... I wanna super screamer now :(


Come to the darkside...sams zxr was my first one.

fuck i miss that bike. :bye:

[Monie]

i love my bike and is just big enough for me as i have not been on one for years. have no regrets getting the kawasaki ninja and as everyone knows red goes faster lol

[GSVR]

i love my bike and is just big enough for me as i have not been on one for years. have no regrets getting the kawasaki ninja and as everyone knows red goes faster lol

Don't love your bike to much or Meanie will get jealous!

[cowboyz]

Don't love your bike to much or Meanie will get jealous!

but the photos will be good for those other internet sites........

[Bonez]

It's one of the few bikes you see that lets down severly in person from photos. To me a good bike is one you see in pictures and think it's nice then see it in person and it's even better. The 2008 ninja did not achieve this.

skidMark.
In your HUMBLE opion. Just get over it. Wondered what the fuss was all about. And apparently it's nothing. As usual.

I love KB. More bitch slapping than a whore house.

[Meanie]

I love KB. More bitch slapping than a whore house.

Me too ............. :rofl:

[Bonez]

Me too ............. :rofl:
Can't really see what all the fuss is about. I can remember "commuting" to and from Auckland to Havelock North on an unfaired CJ250 every second weekend for a year. I'm sure the GPZ250 would be quite capable of doing the same comfortabily.

I'm also sure the brakes on a GPZ250 will pull it up faster than the single disk on my CX ;)

[ynot slow]

i love my bike and is just big enough for me as i have not been on one for years. have no regrets getting the kawasaki ninja and as everyone knows red goes faster lol

And they look damn fine too,was surprised the one in AFC was a 250,not to small,the 636 not much larger beside it, but could be colour perception.

[skidMark]

In your HUMBLE opion. Just get over it. Wondered what the fuss was all about. And apparently it's nothing. As usual.

I love KB. More bitch slapping than a whore house.


Did i say it was anybody's opinion but my own, forums are for voiceing your opinion.

How many whore houses have you been to to compare?, mummy take you to work growing up?

[Bonez]

Did i say it was anybody's opinion but my own, forums are for voiceing your opinion.

How many whore houses have you been to to compare?, mummy take you to work growing up?

It appears I've found my long lost family 5 times removed. How is mummy btw?

[Meanie]

It appears I've found my long lost family 5 times removed. How is mummy btw?

Nice...............:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[HornetBoy]

It appears I've found my long lost family 5 times removed. How is mummy btw?

lol good on ya bones! :lol: ahh this thread is great ,full of laughs

[cowboyz]

can you image skiddy as bonez son? I can imagine the skiddy zztop look-a-like contest........

[yod]

.....


:corn:

[Bonez]

can you image skiddy as bonez son? I can imagine the skiddy zztop look-a-like contest........It appears we have the same first name so it's quite possible.:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

lol good on ya bones! :lol: ahh this thread is great ,full of laughsThat's what I'm here for mate. I should sell popcorn, but it appears yods bet me to it...............

[yod]

....



:corn:

[Bonez]

....



:corn:See you at 6:girlfight:

[manwithav8]

....



:corn:

all that popcorn will give you a fat ass!! We all now your bike got a huge one ahaha

[yod]

why you think i bought it? makes me look skinny.....

[ynot slow]

why you think i bought it? makes me look skinny.....

Yep you do have to run around in the shower to get wet.

[ynot slow]

can you image skiddy as bonez son? I can imagine the skiddy zztop look-a-like contest........

If skiddy could shave,but till then what fluff he had/has could mask his pimples.

[inlinefour]

Me too ............. :rofl:

It truely is a shame that I never got SM on video while he was drooling over my then near new 05 CBR600RR. Kinda would have put everything SM said in his original post well into perspective...


... well maybe. :eek:

[Maki]

If SM wants a 600, then why doesn't he just go out and get one?

[inlinefour]

If SM wants a 600, then why doesn't he just go out and get one?

This is going back a few years, I have not been able to ride for over a year now.

[CHOPPA]

It seems like alot of you guys would think kb would be a better place without sm but i have to say i disagree haha i have only been a member for a short time but some of the shit i have read from him and to him is absolutly hilarious!!


Anyways I know the aim of the new ninja is not for the track but im interested to know some lap times from some people who have ridden there 250 4 stoke "race replicas" around puke and ill try get my sister to let me do a lap or 2 on hers for some sort of comparrison...

[RSrider]

Well my only interaction with SM on here was regarding my bike and how the aluminium was corroding. He offered to come down and help me remove the engine I paid for his travel costs so that I could clean it all up, but I havent heard a dickybird since...........

[Bonez]

Well my only interaction with SM on here was regarding my bike and how the aluminium was corroding. He offered to come down and help me remove the engine I paid for his travel costs so that I could clean it all up, but I havent heard a dickybird since...........Now that really does put things in a real perspective.

[carver]

ive ridden an 07 gpx 250 ...same as 08 dude......thats exactly what you are doing though...judgeing the book by it's cover....the cover being the pretty fairings covering the same old shit.

and i owned a 1988 gpx 250 for a long time. same as the 2007 model...which means....it's the same as the 08....

which means it's the apocolypse of evil. :wari:

i have ridden your old GPX, and a 06 one..
i owned the GT hyo and i have ridden the GTR

in my opinion the GPX is better, because quality is more guaranteed.
its like buying McD's as opposed to buying chinese
McD's is kinda the same the world over, but chinese is always a bit dodgy.
i didn't think the GPX was a bad bike

[cowboyz]

Well my only interaction with SM on here was regarding my bike and how the aluminium was corroding. He offered to come down and help me remove the engine I paid for his travel costs so that I could clean it all up, but I havent heard a dickybird since...........

thats skiddy all over. Full of shit. He was probably having a "I better look like I give a shit about someone else hour" so I can go on a "look at moi, look at moi"

[bimotabob]

HI,

It does seem that most of these new 250's are old technology and parts "recycled" - even though there are changes from the original models they are closely based on (and so there should be)
I have heard it said the chinese GSX250's are "parts bin specials" for example

The ZZR250 didn't sell in numbers here for some reason - maybe that was because people were snapping up the more high tech newly imported CBR/FZR/ZXR's etc?
I was told to avoid these by a local mechanic who said
something about the valve train was a issue if my memory seves me correct.

The CBR250R's and the ZXR250's were flash advanced machines nearly two decades ago -
we still can't compare them to any new 250's although the larger bikes have moved on in strides!
That's a hole in the performance market a town could sit in!
No wonder they hold their resale!
The 250 dirt bikes seem to have had more development.


Maybe it's now time to change our licencing laws to address the fact we can't even get a 250 with designs/technology newer than the ninties an widen up the allowed choice?
Motorcyclists have it tough until then.
Car hoons can go out and get a powerful V8 or Turboed car.
I reckon learners should have more choice to ride 400 0r 600 singles -twins even which are available for good prices and
won't even elipse the performance of the ancient 4 cylinder 250's anyway.
Lets be honest here - the learners can crash or die on a 50cc if they arent careful.

Having a learners never bothered me riding a larger bike.
The prices many of the 250's go for I suppose many people are choosing to doing this.

Cheers

[HTFU]

we still can't compare them to any new 250's although the larger bikes have moved on in strides!
That's a hole in the performance market a town could sit in!
No wonder they hold their resale!



Guess there will be a time when the 4cyl 250s will not really exist in great numbers, even the 400 twins are getting old now.

Under the currrent 250 law the likes of the new ninja will satisfy most learners needs for a motorbike, that is, those that are just starting out. As for the wannabe racers, not a bad thing they can't get their hands on high powered road rockets. If 250 twins were all there were here then there wouldn't be such a desire for a performance learners bike. People would just accept that is what you ride on a learners and move on if they wish. The fact these young guys know there is a fast learners bike makes it on the learners wish list. IMHO

[mynameis]

It seems like alot of you guys would think kb would be a better place without sm but i have to say i disagree haha i have only been a member for a short time but some of the shit i have read from him and to him is absolutly hilarious!!


Anyways I know the aim of the new ninja is not for the track but im interested to know some lap times from some people who have ridden there 250 4 stoke "race replicas" around puke and ill try get my sister to let me do a lap or 2 on hers for some sort of comparrison...

I am with you on that one fella !

Puke I am sure it around 1.17 (CBR250RR) and Taupo full track I think it's 2.01 (ZXR250), not sure about the Taupo one though. Could be less.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone.

Yeah would be good to know your times.

[cowboyz]

skiddy thinks he is lapping taupo in 2min flat on a zxr250 with fucked shocks. I have never timed it. dont know.

[Bonez]

skiddy thinks he is lapping taupo in 2min flat on a zxr250 with fucked shocks. Does that mean he's a 2 minute noodle?

[cowboyz]

probably but with a face like his we havent found a woman brave enough to find out yet..........

[Meanie]

Put a larger sprocket on the front of Monies ninja today, heaps better for highway riding It was doing 100 kms at 7000 rpm now is doing 120 kms at 7000 rpm and she dosnt feel that its lost any get up and go. Being a six speed the gears are real close together so the bike seems to like the change

[HTFU]

Put a larger sprocket on the front of Monies ninja today, heaps better for highway riding It was doing 100 kms at 7000 rpm now is doing 120 kms at 7000 rpm and she dosnt feel that its lost any get up and go. Being a six speed the gears are real close together so the bike seems to like the change

Sounds well worth it. Whats the rear shock like on the new bike?

[Meanie]

Sounds well worth it. Whats the rear shock like on the new bike?

Dosnt seem to be any problems in the suspension area, but then she hasnt ridden the GPX to compare it with

[n0regret5]

took a zxr250 '08 for a ride the week i bought my TL as the guy who owned the shop didn't have anyone to rate it.

i got my knee down on it quite happily.

engine is happily responsive and will go hard if you need it.

oh..and my second favourite bike ever is a cbr250rr.

why are all zxr250a&c model riders (and most 600, 750, 900 and 1000) total assholes? is it like owning a subaru, makes you think you're the coolest thing on the road? grow up, dude. its just a motorbike.

[skidMark]

took a zxr250 '08 for a ride the week i bought my TL as the guy who owned the shop didn't have anyone to rate it.

i got my knee down on it quite happily.

engine is happily responsive and will go hard if you need it.

oh..and my second favourite bike ever is a cbr250rr.

why are all zxr250a&c model riders (and most 600, 750, 900 and 1000) total assholes? is it like owning a subaru, makes you think you're the coolest thing on the road? grow up, dude. its just a motorbike.


The 08 Ninja is not the new ZXR it's the new GPX if anything.

ZXR is inline 4 USD's (fuck yer bite me).....clips ons ....sexy time!:love:

[cowboyz]

took a zxr250 '08 for a ride the week i bought my TL as the guy who owned the shop didn't have anyone to rate it.

i got my knee down on it quite happily.

engine is happily responsive and will go hard if you need it.

oh..and my second favourite bike ever is a cbr250rr.

why are all zxr250a&c model riders (and most 600, 750, 900 and 1000) total assholes? is it like owning a subaru, makes you think you're the coolest thing on the road? grow up, dude. its just a motorbike.

hey! Skiddy is not representive of kwaka riders. If he was riding anythign else he would still be a tosser.

Ashhurst is kwakaville. And we dont go round thinking we are cool. We know it.


Blah blah blah blah, I am a wank wank USD wank wank 40% wank wank 15% wank wank cant string a sentence together without sounding like a wank wank wank.

[manwithav8]

hey! Skiddy is not representive of kwaka riders. If he was riding anythign else he would still be a tosser.

Ashhurst is kwakaville. And we dont go round thinking we are cool. We know it.

hahaah skiddy represents nothing but stains in the seat of ya pants!!!!!

Asshurts cool people huh?? I do agree with the kwakavile comment though, geez heaps out that way.. As long as they stay out there lol

[cowboyz]

thats not kind coming from a ducky rider! I even let you pillion in a photo the other week!

[manwithav8]

thats not kind coming from a ducky rider! I even let you pillion in a photo the other week!

hahaha let me??? You had no choice at that stage, the Duc was hungry and wanted to eat... Heard a kwaking sounds and thought it was dinner time lol

[cowboyz]

i going to turn the camera around so I know when to bugger off sooner..........

[manwithav8]

i going to turn the camera around so I know when to bugger off sooner..........

hahah I like that.. You can be quite witty for a green riding ashurst bloke...

Got tyre sorted?

[cowboyz]

yep. bike back where it shouold be all together again.

rearing to go this weekend.

[manwithav8]

yep. bike back where it shouold be all together again.

rearing to go this weekend.

Wish I was coming... This summer ( my first year riding ) has beena let down so far.. Been on some good rides and missed even better rides... Next year will hopefully be different...

[cowboyz]

you do know it is only feb?

[manwithav8]

you do know it is only feb?

haha yeah I know but I still have 9 weeks left on this course.... The nights are only going to get later and the weekends busier.....By end of the course the weather may not support regular riding unless I buy one of them huge silver bikes with heated grips and windscreen wipers.

[cowboyz]

dunno. I seem to remember a certain ride last year that ended up going through snow. Meanie was showing off with his heated hand grips. I have never been so cold in my life.
I havent spent anywhere near as much time on the bike this year as previous years. Might have to remedy that.

[manwithav8]

dunno. I seem to remember a certain ride last year that ended up going through snow. Meanie was showing off with his heated hand grips. I have never been so cold in my life.
I havent spent anywhere near as much time on the bike this year as previous years. Might have to remedy that.

Yeah those grips are a go I think...I will have to sort my shit out aswell....

[skidMark]

took a zxr250 '08 for a ride the week i bought my TL as the guy who owned the shop didn't have anyone to rate it.

i got my knee down on it quite happily.

engine is happily responsive and will go hard if you need it.

oh..and my second favourite bike ever is a cbr250rr.

why are all zxr250a&c model riders (and most 600, 750, 900 and 1000) total assholes? is it like owning a subaru, makes you think you're the coolest thing on the road? grow up, dude. its just a motorbike.

Jesus man, you been owned by too many other bikes or something?

[cowboyz]

holy crap skiddy. You could appear half as stupid if you shut the fuck up.

[n0regret5]

Jesus man, you been owned by too many other bikes or something?

hahaha! only bike i was 'owned' by was a big beemer twin when i had my fxr150. most people i meet on the roads don't want to 'own' me, as much as i don't want to 'own' them..

you're a laugh-a-minute, you know.

[n0regret5]

i've had 6 PMs from that guy just today, all quoting what i said and making himself sound more retarded. haha!

if i had a choice today to own an older zxr250 or a new model 'gpx' (see what i did there?) i'd take the gpx.

[manwithav8]

Jesus man, you been owned by too many other bikes or something?

Well the hell is it with you always thinking everyone is out there to race....

Your bot cool you shitmark, try growing up and some people might respect you as a biker... Keep dribbling that shit from your mouth and the country will run out of arse paper because you need it to wipe your chin..

[(P)]

Ignore them Skiddy.

guys like us know what's what bro.

[manwithav8]

Ignore them Skiddy.

guys like us know what's what bro.

this is a pisstake right???

[(P)]

this is a pisstake right???

No, a pisstake would be saying that a ducati monster is a great bike.

[cowboyz]

thats what you get when poeple run round telling everyone to be PC and polite. (p) aspires to be the new skidmark. He is doing a fine job but there is something that you just have to be born with to be that dumb.
The problem with open forums is that fucking morons can post whatever they want but if someone calls them on it then it gets thrown in PD. Which, at a guess, is where this one is going.

[manwithav8]

No, a pisstake would be saying that a ducati monster is a great bike.

hahah sure.. good on you mate.. I can see yoru new here and you will obviously command as much respect as shit stains...

Good on you and welcome to the forum, good to see your keeping you rep on the positive side..

[cowboyz]

No, a pisstake would be saying that a ducati monster is a great bike.

nearly there. start bleating about USD forks and you are riding at 30% of your capabilities and you will be there......

Go on. You know you want to.

[manwithav8]

thats what you get when poeple run round telling everyone to be PC and polite. (p) aspires to be the new skidmark. He is doing a fine job but there is something that you just have to be born with to be that dumb.
The problem with open forums is that fucking morons can post whatever they want but if someone calls them on it then it gets thrown in PD. Which, at a guess, is where this one is going.

Quite right mate, all it takes is a profile and the door is unlocked to dribble what shit you want... IT is normally after they are put in their place that something happens and it isn't directed at the shit heads.. The people that take action and say things for what they are ( you and I ) are the ones that get repremanded....

[(P)]

Ah, a zx9r...now there's a real 900 for you manwithadinosaur

[manwithav8]

Ah, a zx9r...now there's a real 900 for you manwithadinosaur

as cowboyz has said, you are almost up there with dickhead number 1, you can become number 2 if you like.....

The ZX9 is a great bike, it has gone past me many a time, and so what... I don't loose sleep over it. You will have to try better than that if you are trying to offend me my friend..

[zeocen]

i've had 6 PMs from that guy just today, all quoting what i said and making himself sound more retarded. haha!

if i had a choice today to own an older zxr250 or a new model 'gpx' (see what i did there?) i'd take the gpx.


Yeah he'll do that. He'll say something incoherant in a post on the thread and then just continuously PM you random babble trying to 'one up' you when you aren't even talking to him.

He's a claaaazy guy.


:jerry:

[cowboyz]

Ah, a zx9r...now there's a real 900 for you manwithadinosaur

with a bit of thought it isnt rocket science and you could have probably worked out that manwithav8 is a mate of mine.

Praising my bike doesnt give you any credibility in my book. And trashy the M9 is not going to give manwithav8 any less sleep. All it is doing is showing how shallow you are. It also gives manwithav8 something else to take the piss out of on the next ride.
So sleep well knowing that you will now be the brunt of a few jokes till we get tired of you, wont take long so dont worry too much, and move on to more important things.


You STILL havent mentioned USD forks. Are you slow as well as stupid?

[n0regret5]

SEE? SEEEEEEEE? why are kwaka racebike riders (ok except for the classics like the always exploding kr250) asshats? hahahaha..this is brilliant. i bet if you met someone like this on the street they wouldn't argue like this. its the old hiding behind a computer thing, yeh?

btw nice monster. thought it was a cagiva, sorry..i'm on tl forums too haha

[cowboyz]

ha ha. so this last post simply show you know absoutely nothing about me. I dont hide behind anything and I am exactly (actually probably moreso) confrontational in real life.
have to edit cause I am trying to watch tv at the same time adn posted too soon.

at least those who do meet me are not left guessing what I think of them.

[Meanie]

ha ha. so this last post simply show you know absoutely nothing about me. I dont hide behind anything and I am exactly (actually probably moreso) confrontational in real life.
have to edit cause I am trying to watch tv at the same time adn posted too soon.

at least those who do meet me are not left guessing what I think of them.

Have to agree with that Cowboyz has called me all sorts of stuff over the fence :laugh:

[cowboyz]

cut it out. I am on a be nice to you week cause you loaned me the use of your garage rafters ovenight. I take it you have noticed my bike has been returned to its rightful place. Goes heaps better with air in the tyres too.

[Meanie]

cut it out. I am on a be nice to you week cause you loaned me the use of your garage rafters ovenight. I take it you have noticed my bike has been returned to its rightful place. Goes heaps better with air in the tyres too.

Yea noticed that, guess ill have to take the pink spray cans back to the shop now i dont have anything to paint, and no the concours would not suit pink

[cowboyz]

well it certainly doesnt suit green

[(P)]

I touched a nerve there aye guys?:bleh:

[manwithav8]

I touched a nerve there aye guys?:bleh:

Sorry once again, nerves run too deep for you to get anywhere near with you dribble.
Take onboard what cowboyz has said, he is rough on the edges but a very decent bloke. I would be happy to have that man at my wedding in fact. Even if he did turn up on the ever so famous ZX9 lol....

To come on here thinking you have anything worth our while just shows how much of a forum ammature you are.... I commend you though on having a friend that is so skilled in the art of hanging so far off his 250cc with USD forks that he scrapes the fairings.. Must be a legend that bloke!!!

[Meanie]

I think Skiddy and P are one in the same :yes:

[manwithav8]

I think Skiddy and P are one in the same :yes:

I did think that originally aswell... It is either that or they are ghey lovers!!!!

Hope they don't produce a heap of little shitstains

[cowboyz]

I touched a nerve there aye guys?:bleh:

Yes you have. In fact you have your hand squarely on it.

When you grow up and it gets a little bigger it is called a penis though but if you want to refer to it as a nerve, well we wont stop you.

[ynot slow]

Forgotten Highway ride anyone,can meet at the pub and chinwag with the boys from the bombays.Quite a few twisty bits to get the knee down and heaps of 40% straights.

[Toast]

It seems like alot of you guys would think kb would be a better place without sm but i have to say i disagree haha i have only been a member for a short time but some of the shit i have read from him and to him is absolutly hilarious!!


Anyways I know the aim of the new ninja is not for the track but im interested to know some lap times from some people who have ridden there 250 4 stoke "race replicas" around puke and ill try get my sister to let me do a lap or 2 on hers for some sort of comparrison...

I think Jason (VTec on this site) got 1:15 around Pukie on his CBR250RR with decent race tyres on. Not sure if that was transponder timed or not.

Will be interested to hear what ya get.

[woodhillkamikaze]

I'm pretty interested in all this crap people say about zxr250's ninja 250r's and GPX's... I learnt on a 88 GPX and because it was starting to wear out... and i couldn't be stuffed keeping it up and running I found me a score on a 95 ZXR which I paid just under 5 Gs for... I flogged my GPX off for 1600 bucks :P It was nice to ride alot less powerful than my lovely ZXR... I don't have the spare dosh to get my other licences at the moment so bar the lack of an 'L' plate I'm having fun tearing up the roads on my derestricted ZXR... I enjoyed the GPX and I enjoy the ZXR... the ZXR munches thru corners brilliantly and i chewed out a 750 Yamaha on Scenic drive in the Waitakere ranges... well thru the corners anyway... lol My GPX and ZXR both go the speed limit ( and alot more) the '08 Ninja 250R is a new bike hence its no longer called a GPX... My mate had a GT250R and ran it in... then took it to the Coromandle where it promptly died on him...:Oops:

Anywho GPX, ZXR Ninja 250R... They're all Kwaka's thats good enough for me other bikes... :whocares:

Lets all be greatful we ain't riding a scooter... :scooter::nono:

[CHOPPA]

my sister is doing her first track day at taupo tomorrow so ill let ya know what she thinks of it around a track, she may even let me have a go! fun.... :)

[Maki]

Has she been to the track yet???

[racefactory]

I thoroughly enjoyed this new chapter of the KB Adventures with Skidmark. Some good laughs, brilliant. I'm already looking forward to the next chapter.

I only have one thing to add to to the thread and to ask skidmark. Why and how does a CBR250 handle like a shopping trolley? I have found it is probably even a little better than an NC30, would you dare say one of those handles like a shopping trolley though?

[Morcs]

I thoroughly enjoyed this new chapter of the KB Adventures with Skidmark. Some good laughs, brilliant. I'm already looking forward to the next chapter.

I only have one thing to add to to the thread and to ask skidmark. Why and how does a CBR250 handle like a shopping trolley? I have found it is probably even a little better than an NC30, would you dare say one of those handles like a shopping trolley though?

Mark doesnt know the meaning of good handling.