Good old public and the media

[scumdog]

Reading the article in the ODT about the shooting in Waihi:

The 'eye-witness' said he 'believed the man was about to give himself up' (after getting out of a van and pointing a rifle at police, the same rifle he had been firing at police during a pursuit).

Mr Nilsson turned his back 'for a split second' when he heard a single shot.

How do the media find these people???

(OK, wet morning, bored)

[jrandom]

Personally, I want to know why the cop in question didn't wait until he'd raised the rifle to his eye, and then headshot him through the telescopic sight.

Don't police officers get any training these days?

[ManDownUnder]

Don't police officers get any training these days?

Maybe they get too much... who knows - but they need to watch more good movies to see how that's done.

[scumdog]

Personally, I want to know why the cop in question didn't wait until he'd raised the rifle to his eye, and then headshot him through the telescopic sight.

Don't police officers get any training these days?

Meh, we've all watched Mythbusters and know that trick doesn't actually work:nono:

[Mully]

They should've shot the prick in the head - he'd be less of a drain on society than he is now.

[PuppetMaster]

How do the media find these people???


www.greenparty.org.nz

[Usarka]

Should have tried to talk him out of it. using force is never the answer....

[Coldrider]

Rent a crowd, put words in their mouth so it can be reported in the first instance, better headlines.
The sniper shot in 'Saving Private Ryan' worked pretty good, but that's the movies.

[jrandom]

Meh, we've all watched Mythbusters and know that trick doesn't actually work.

Fine, then the cop should have used the "single shot with a pistol taken while running untouched through a hail of bullets, resulting in bad guy toppling, unmarked but apparently dead, from an overhead walkway" technique.

Although I'm not too sure how well it works when the bad guy isn't on an overhead walkway.

[scumdog]

I thought I might have provoked a comment along the lines of: 'Just like the Christchurch shooting, the guy was doing nothing and they just shot him' kind of thing.

I guess KBers ain't that bad (or dumb)after all.



(Waits for one to prove me wrong)

[NighthawkNZ]

Personally, I want to know why the cop in question didn't wait until he'd raised the rifle to his eye, and then headshot him through the telescopic sight.

Don't police officers get any training these days?

Personally I want to know why the police didn't take him out after the first shots the prick took


Fine, then the cop should have used the "single shot with a pistol taken while running untouched through a hail of bullets, resulting in bad guy toppling, unmarked but apparently dead, from an overhead walkway" technique.

Although I'm not too sure how well it works when the bad guy isn't on an overhead walkway.

and not forgetting the Starsky & Hutch manouver over the bonet

[Coldrider]

I thought I might have provoked a comment along the lines of: 'Just like the Christchurch shooting, the guy was doing nothing and they just shot him' kind of thing.

I guess KBers ain't that bad (or dumb)after all.



(Waits for one to prove me wrong)
Nah, I think we're over it now,
there's too many dipshits committing violence all over the place.
A few need erradicating, the mortal can't multiply.

[jrandom]

Personally I want to know why the police didn't take him out after the first shots the prick took

Because he was in a van which was probably swerving all over the road at high speed, and, once again, the cops obviously hadn't seen the "several hundred rounds fired from an automatic weapon out the window, all of which vanish into thin air without either making ineffectual holes in the panels of the bad guy's car or splattering bystanders within a 400m radius" training film.

I'm starting to suspect that the NZ Police weapons training programme might be in need of a major overhaul.

[Big Dave]

You are completely full of sh*t Scumdog.

It's a nice morning.

[Pussy]

Reading the article in the ODT about the shooting in Waihi:

The 'eye-witness' said he 'believed the man was about to give himself up' (after getting out of a van and pointing a rifle at police, the same rifle he had been firing at police during a pursuit).

Mr Nilsson turned his back 'for a split second' when he heard a single shot.

How do the media find these people???

(OK, wet morning, bored)

The Taranaki Daily News has some shite about him being "gunned down" by the police......pffft

[Macktheknife]

I have no sympathy for anyone who fires a weapon at a police officer, shoot to kill, no questions asked.
If they fire a weapon at a normal member of society, same rule applies.
If they are shooting at gang members or other various scumbags, with no risk to innocent folks, give them more ammunition and come back in 20 mins.

Scumdog, best you don't wait to be proved wrong mate, someone will do it just to satisfy a perceived need! lol

[vifferman]

I have no problem with the Polis shooting him. I do find it kinda fukt that they had to chase him all the way from Ngongotaha to Waihi (60km?) before being able to stop him. They (allegedly) had up to 17 cars chasing him, including "at high speed through the main street of Katikati" - weren't they able to radio ahead and throw some road spikes in his path or summat? :spudwhat:

[007XX]

I thought I might have provoked a comment along the lines of: 'Just like the Christchurch shooting, the guy was doing nothing and they just shot him' kind of thing.

I guess KBers ain't that bad (or dumb)after all.



(Waits for one to prove me wrong)

Well, they aren't...but I hope you didn't stop breathing in eager anticipation, did you?

[scumdog]

- weren't they able to radio ahead and throw some road spikes in his path or summat? :spudwhat:

I understand the vans tyres HAD been 'spiked' hence the chase ended (eventually).

[jrandom]

I have no problem with the Polis shooting him. I do find it kinda fukt that they had to chase him all the way from Ngongotaha to Waihi (60km?) before being able to stop him. They (allegedly) had up to 17 cars chasing him, including "at high speed through the main street of Katikati"...

I personally am all in favour of taking a chunk out of the Gubmint's welfare budget and spending it on Police helicopters for all the main centres.

With an M2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun) in every chopper, for use in cases like this one.

:yes:

[scumdog]

I personally am all in favour of taking a chunk out of the Gubmint's welfare budget and spending it on Police helicopters for all the main centres.

With an M2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun) in every chopper, for use in cases like this one.

:yes:

But..but they were only young kids and not doing any real harm..

(Reality - theiving low life burglars with firearms and no though of anybody but themselves who will get jack-shit from the judge by way of sentence)

[spudchucka]

Fine, then the cop should have used the "single shot with a pistol taken while running untouched through a hail of bullets, resulting in bad guy toppling, unmarked but apparently dead, from an overhead walkway" technique.

Although I'm not too sure how well it works when the bad guy isn't on an overhead walkway.They should have just sent this guy to do the job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfW58H6Qykc

[jrandom]

But..but they were only young kids and not doing any real harm..

What were they shot with, a Glock or a Bushmaster?

And, seriously, what's with all this "single shot, wait and see if they fall down" nonsense? What happened to double-taps?

[scracha]

weren't they able to radio ahead and throw some road spikes in his path or summat? :spudwhat:

That's what I couldn't figure out either. Obviously more fun playing "highway patrol" and having fun with their pistolas. Radio ahead, couple of spike strips, then a big warning sign and then a few concrete breeze blocks in the road. End of chase.

Actually, I take it back...once a lowlife fires just one shot towards other people (especially coppers) then they should be taken out with extreme prejudice. Radio ahead, have them taken out in a hail of gunfire or a well placed sniper shot. Get some taxpayers money back by selling the footage.

[Fatjim]

I can't understand why the guy didn't start barking like a rottwieller. The best self defense against a cop with a gun.

[Krayy]

Have the cops in NZ never heard of the PIT maneuver?

FFS if you can't run a van off the road in 150 kays, there is something way wrong.

[Beemer]

Reading the article in the ODT about the shooting in Waihi:

The 'eye-witness' said he 'believed the man was about to give himself up' (after getting out of a van and pointing a rifle at police, the same rifle he had been firing at police during a pursuit).

Mr Nilsson turned his back 'for a split second' when he heard a single shot.

How do the media find these people???

(OK, wet morning, bored)

Cue Tui ad for that - how can you believe someone was about to give up? Sorry, but if you wander around with a rifle, you should expect to be shot.

The media probably found this eye witless in the same place they found that person who wasn't even related to that criminal from Australia - but they did share a relatively common surname!

[Tank]

The Taranaki Daily News has some shite about him being "gunned down" by the police......pffft

That's because the Taranaki Daily news is to good reporters, what McDonalds is to world class chefs.

Shite!

I'm surprised they can even write.

Good on the cops for shooting the bastards. Pity they didn't get the opportunity to shoot the 'real ganstas' in Milford last week.

Still I feel sorry for the cops - they will be dragged thru the mud, stress on them and their family when they were just trying to save innocent lives.

[Number One]

Personally, I want to know why the cop in question didn't wait until he'd raised the rifle to his eye, and then headshot him through the telescopic sight.

Don't police officers get any training these days?

That'd have to be some pretty awesome training to pull that shot off. Mythbusters showed that one to be PLAUSIBLE actually - pretty tricky though given all the glass lenses in the sight deflecting the bullet. NOT an impossible shot 'just a kind of 1 in a thousand even for an excellent marksman'.

[Mekk]

Personally I want to know why the police didn't take him out after the first shots the prick took

The Herald would have a field-day.

"Police don't give fleeing man a chance"

"Family of victim say 'it's not right' "

"Constable ordered to pay reparations"

"Shot man recalls night of terror"

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Swoop]

Meh, we've all watched Mythbusters and know that trick doesn't actually work:nono:
You had better tell that to Gunnery Sgt Carlos Hathcock USMC. (well you can't now... ouija board working?)
That's because the Taranaki Daily news is to good reporters, what McDonalds is to world class chefs.
They send in their reports' by txt message???

Interesting to see the comparisons between TV1 & TV3 news last night...

[scumdog]

You had better tell that to Gunnery Sgt Carlos Hathcock USMC. (well you can't now... ouija board working?)
They send in their reports' by txt message???

Interesting to see the comparisons between TV1 & TV3 news last night...


I did not see the news - so what WAS the difference?

[Freakshow]

Since the kid didn't die I really hope the cops really use this dickhead as an example! I can't believe the cops took that long to stop him! At least he got one shot in him. +1 to the cops hre!

[JimO]

the news i heard the announcer said " man gunned down by poilce" they should have said "criminal apprehended by police currently in hospital helping with enquirys"

[spudchucka]

Have the cops in NZ never heard of the PIT maneuver?

They have but the do-gooders say that its too dangerous for little old New Zealand.

[NOMIS]

Hi This is a reply to all of you who are saying "shoot him in the head" blaah blaah,

What this guy did was wrong, i agree, and deserves what he gets, we have a thing in our society where we think guns and violence is cool, ive never been one to back down from a fist fight and have ended up in hospital a few times, I was in the army for 6months and the only reason im not there is because I was injured,
You can call me a churchy or whatever you like and yes im proud to say i am christian but far from perfect,
But you guys saying shoot him kill him ect,
Dont you think that it would be better to try to clense people before they go doing these sorts of things?
This isnt just this "1" person this is about all the violence in our world its fine to come on here and say things like you hate this sort of thing but what do you do about it?
When you see these forums and you rant and rave how much you dont like to see this happen in our country what do you do about it?
You see people on the steet fighting what do you do about it?
you see the "gangster kids" on the street and the majority of you despise them ,
Talking about using a M2 rocket launcher do you even no what thoes things can do?
No im not sticking up for the kid involved, he is my age but i call him a kid because he is not acting like a man.
I cant understand how you can condemn any one to anything when you havnt taken the time to think why?
I can go on all day about this but unfortunatly I have a job,
I just ask people to think before they day things and i understand posting this will get a few nasty replys.

[TimeOut]

That's because the Taranaki Daily news is to good reporters, what McDonalds is to world class chefs.

Shite!

I'm surprised they can even write.

Good on the cops for shooting the bastards. Pity they didn't get the opportunity to shoot the 'real ganstas' in Milford last week.

Still I feel sorry for the cops - they will be dragged thru the mud, stress on them and their family when they were just trying to save innocent lives.

+ 1 I feel sorry for the cop
Stick some of these dick head reporters in front of a loaded gun and see what they do, (shit their daks I'd say)

[NOMIS]

Look at the "milford bashings" do you ever wonder why?
then do something.

[idb]

Hi This is a reply to all of you who are saying "shoot him in the head" blaah blaah,

What this guy did was wrong, i agree, and deserves what he gets, we have a thing in our society where we think guns and violence is cool, ive never been one to back down from a fist fight and have ended up in hospital a few times, I was in the army for 6months and the only reason im not there is because I was injured,
You can call me a churchy or whatever you like and yes im proud to say i am christian but far from perfect,
But you guys saying shoot him kill him ect,
Dont you think that it would be better to try to clense people before they go doing these sorts of things?
This isnt just this "1" person this is about all the violence in our world its fine to come on here and say things like you hate this sort of thing but what do you do about it?
When you see these forums and you rant and rave how much you dont like to see this happen in our country what do you do about it?
You see people on the steet fighting what do you do about it?
you see the "gangster kids" on the street and the majority of you despise them ,
Talking about using a M2 rocket launcher do you even no what thoes things can do?
No im not sticking up for the kid involved, he is my age but i call him a kid because he is not acting like a man.
I cant understand how you can condemn any one to anything when you havnt taken the time to think why?
I can go on all day about this but unfortunatly I have a job,
I just ask people to think before they day things and i understand posting this will get a few nasty replys.

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn:

[Dilligaf]

When you see these forums and you rant and rave how much you dont like to see this happen in our country what do you do about it?
.

But but but... It's (the forum) called rant or rave... not solve the world's problems...
:confused:

[Ixion]

Get a gun and shoot the fuck.

Oh. They did!

[NOMIS]

But but but... It's (the forum) called rant or rave... not solve the world's problems...
:confused:

thats true

[u4ea]

thats true

Oi you! I have also trained in war fare and if someone is randomly taking potshots then take the noodle out!!!! Serve and protect plonker!

[Tank]

Dont you think that it would be better to try to clense people .


Yep - clense the fuckers with a bullet between the eyes.

[NOMIS]

Oi you! I have also trained in war fare and if someone is randomly taking potshots then take the noodle out!!!! Serve and protect plonker!

Im not talking about taking him out, im talking about stoping the problem to begin with,
And what i guess you could take his head off with your styer at 300? yes so could i would i if he posed a threat ? yes.
do i want to ? no. thats what im getting at the people who relish in this type of thing. and the comments like "kill the fucker" send your selves straight into the same frying pan he is in.

[Tank]

Look at the "milford bashings" do you ever wonder why?


Actually I did. WHY - dont we drown little shits like this at birth??

[ElCoyote]

Personally, I want to know why the cop in question didn't wait until he'd raised the rifle to his eye, and then headshot him through the telescopic sight.

Don't police officers get any training these days?

And why only 1 shot?:beer:

[Swoop]

I did not see the news - so what WAS the difference?
OK (flicking between the two)
TV1. Lead item was "the funeral" and this went on for about 8mins or so. Small item later on with "few details".
TV3. Lead item with reporter on the scene. Footage of scene, helicopter taking off to ferry "the accused" to Waikato. Should have gone by road imho... then "more details as it comes to hand.
Later in the news an update with a few details of the "lead collector" as reported from the hospital, age/injury etc.

Difference: On the scene, with details and no speculation.
TVNZ probably had all of their reporters in Parnell?

Dont you think that it would be better to try to clense people before they go doing these sorts of things?
So, sort of "have a shower before you go on a burglary/shooting spree" sort of thing?
Possibly a good idea. Should they clean their teeth as well?

[u4ea]

Im not talking about taking him out, im talking about stoping the problem to begin with,
And what i guess you could take his head off with your styer at 300?

Nah I always went for the knee caps.:headbang:.plonker..

[Tank]

Nah I always went for the knee caps.:headbang:.plonker..

whats more fun is just shooting one kneecap. That way next time they try running away they just end up going in little circles.

[kevfromcoro]

I can't understand why the guy didn't start barking like a rottwieller. The best self defense against a cop with a gun.

Ha Ha ..what a laugh..yeah they would of missed him x20..

[ynot slow]

It's a no brainer people,point/fire a firearm and risk fatal consequences.

The cops first on the scene don't know the mindset of the accused,re suicidal/martyr syndrome.And if stoned/pissed(not suggesting he was) what good is asking the guy to put down his weapon,he fired at them,put yourself in the cops position,what would you do?

Cops allways cop it(no pun)from media and we allways hear the accused details first,the cops never get to present their case at the same time,so a distorted view is formed,of course there will be the ones who say the guy was a typical guy,didn't deserve to be shot,etc.Ffs he shot at people.

[scracha]

You can call me a churchy or whatever you like and yes im proud to say i am christian but far from perfect,

Christian? With your alias I presumed you were a Catholic Priest.
(http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=65452)

[ElCoyote]

Hi This is a reply to all of you who are saying "shoot him in the head" blaah blaah,

What this guy did was wrong, i agree, and deserves what he gets, we have a thing in our society where we think guns and violence is cool, ive never been one to back down from a fist fight and have ended up in hospital a few times, I was in the army for 6months and the only reason im not there is because I was injured,
You can call me a churchy or whatever you like and yes im proud to say i am christian but far from perfect,
But you guys saying shoot him kill him ect,
Dont you think that it would be better to try to clense people before they go doing these sorts of things?
This isnt just this "1" person this is about all the violence in our world its fine to come on here and say things like you hate this sort of thing but what do you do about it?
When you see these forums and you rant and rave how much you dont like to see this happen in our country what do you do about it?
You see people on the steet fighting what do you do about it?
you see the "gangster kids" on the street and the majority of you despise them ,
Talking about using a M2 rocket launcher do you even no what thoes things can do?
No im not sticking up for the kid involved, he is my age but i call him a kid because he is not acting like a man.
I cant understand how you can condemn any one to anything when you havnt taken the time to think why?
I can go on all day about this but unfortunatly I have a job,
I just ask people to think before they day things and i understand posting this will get a few nasty replys.

You should have posted this under the "Are you PC" thread it applies equally well to both and is the reason NZ is stuffed. :Oi:

[Teflon]

Hi This is a reply to all of you who are saying "shoot him in the head" blaah blaah,

If you want to live that type of lifestyle then you deserve to be shot in the head. It would make think twice about fucking with the police.

Plus it would make good T.V.

[El Dopa]

With an M2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun) in every chopper, for use in cases like this one.

:yes:

Are you going soft or something? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun)

[sAsLEX]

Meh, we've all watched Mythbusters and know that trick doesn't actually work:nono:

A scope would stop a .50 cal or 20mm sniper round?


Personally I want to know why the police didn't take him out after the first shots the prick took



Because he was in a van which was probably swerving all over the road at high speed, and, once again, the cops obviously hadn't seen the "several hundred rounds fired from an automatic weapon out the window, all of which vanish into thin air without either making ineffectual holes in the panels of the bad guy's car or splattering bystanders within a 400m radius" training film.


This is where we could of used our Skyhawks/F16s! Soon end that car chase.



Are you going soft or something? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun)


I would rather have 7.62mm flying at me in a vehicle than a .50cal.........

[sAsLEX]

What were they shot with, a Glock or a Bushmaster?

And, seriously, what's with all this "single shot, wait and see if they fall down" nonsense? What happened to double-taps?

Pfft double taps? Thats for the sneaky sneaky types.



Fire into their CoM until they are no longer a threat or until a fresh mag is needed..... then carry on firing :devil2:

[Jantar]

Fire into their CoM until they are no longer a threat or until a fresh mag is needed..... then carry on firing :devil2:

You and I must have had the same weapons instructor. :D

When the crim came out of the van still carrying a weapon, he was a threat. The only way to eliminate the threat is to squeeze your own trigger first, and keep right on sqeezing until there is no longer a threat. The cops' score is 8 of 10, They should have fired twice more for the full 10.

[sAsLEX]

They should have fired twice more for the full 10.

Twice? Did he only have three rounds in the mag?

[Horse]

How do the media find these people???
Really want to know?

NZers do not talk to the media. Something about the national psyche I guess. They particularly double-plus-don't talk when a recording device is involved. The very few who are willing to be quoted on the record are, therefore, usually complete fucking weirdos.

Oh, and in that kind of situation all the actually useful witnesses have been spoken to by the cops (being witnesses, after all) and as part of that process are generally asked if they wouldn't mind ever so much not talking to the media.

The media, in a nutshell, get the dregs.

[howdamnhard]

AGREED!:clap:


They should've shot the prick in the head - he'd be less of a drain on society than he is now.

[TimeOut]

This is where we could of used our Skyhawks/F16s! Soon end that car chase.





Helen did away with them, like your thinking though