More "Big Brother" plans by Govt

[Bren]

Latest news on the Herald website...


Children to be vetted for antisocial acts

5:00AM Thursday January 24, 2008
By Simon Collins (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/author/index.cfm?a_id=135)

Children as young as 3 are to be screened for signs of antisocial behaviour which could identify whether they are likely to become future criminals.
Youngsters aged between 3 and 7 will be vetted under a new Government initiative which also proposes training courses for both parents and teachers of up to 5 per cent of the 57,000 5-year-olds who start school each year - up to 3000 children a year.


Full story here (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10488438)

I aint even gonna comment but I will say that the Govt seems to want to put their nose into every part of our life

[Mole_C]

Good, if they had mandatory parenting classes we wouldn't have as many little shits running around

[MSTRS]

I aint even gonna comment but I will say that the Govt seems to want to put their nose into every part of our life

No 'seems' about it. But when you see who is allowed to breed, it's no wonder, eh?

[Blackbird]

Maybe Moderators wouldn't be needed on KB if a few of the people on here had been "monitored" when they were younger eh?:2thumbsup

[koba]

POSITIVE ITEMS

* Complies promptly with teacher instructions.

* Responds appropriately when other children try to interact with him/her.

* Expresses anger without becoming destructive or violent.

NEGATIVE ITEMS

* Disrupts the play or activities of other children.

* Tries to get own way by throwing tantrums, e.g. sulking, shouting, swearing or refusing to co-operate.

* Acts violently towards others, e.g. shoves, hits, pushes other children.



Based on that I would have been fucked.
My parents were not doing a bad job either, I was just a little shit.
Mostly ok now tho, mostly!

[Usarka]

So the plan is:

Give anti-social people an incentive to breed by linking benefits with number of children.

Wait till each kid from these families is at school age and then intervene.


our government is fucked in the head.:crazy:

[Laava]

POSITIVE ITEMS

* Complies promptly with teacher instructions.

* Responds appropriately when other children try to interact with him/her.

* Expresses anger without becoming destructive or violent.

NEGATIVE ITEMS

* Disrupts the play or activities of other children.

* Tries to get own way by throwing tantrums, e.g. sulking, shouting, swearing or refusing to co-operate.

* Acts violently towards others, e.g. shoves, hits, pushes other children.



Based on that I would have been fucked.
My parents were not doing a bad job either, I was just a little shit.
Mostly ok now tho, mostly!

And then once the heterosexuals have been weeded out, we will only have one generation of Kiwi's left! Guess it will be good for the environment!:lol:

[MisterD]

POSITIVE ITEMS

* Complies promptly with teacher instructions.

* Responds appropriately when other children try to interact with him/her.

* Expresses anger without becoming destructive or violent.

NEGATIVE ITEMS

* Disrupts the play or activities of other children.

* Tries to get own way by throwing tantrums, e.g. sulking, shouting, swearing or refusing to co-operate.

* Acts violently towards others, e.g. shoves, hits, pushes other children.



That's every toddler I've ever met in the naughty corner then....

[Swoop]

Remember that YOU(directed at ALL readers of this post) voted for this buch of morons that we have as a gubbinment.

[spookytooth]

Remember that YOU(directed at ALL readers of this post) voted for this buch of morons that we have as a gubbinment.
Thats not quite true.Being told i HAD to enroll to vote when i turned 18 made me think that i wouldn't. Never did and never will.Cant say i support any of them nor would i piss on any pollitition if they was burning.

[Swoop]

Thats not quite true.Being told i HAD to enroll to vote when i turned 18 made me think that i wouldn't. Never did and never will.Cant say i support any of them nor would i piss on any pollitition if they was burning.
OK then, I stand corrected.

You just made it easier for them to get in, and also removed all right of complaint against any politician.

Too right not pissing on them though! If you need a can of petrol and a match to set one alight, let me know!!!:banana:

[twotyred]

I aint even gonna comment but I will say that the Govt seems to want to put their nose into every part of our life


It's all part of the globalist agenda for total control:2guns:

[Mekk]

Conspiracy theorists unite.

[Dave Lobster]

Only 5%??

More worrying is this:

A Ministry of Education spokesman said the screening test was still being developed but it was likely to be included in the new "B4 School" health checks for 4-year-olds, due to start nationally next month.

How can they be allowed to teach children to be normal people, if they're encouraging 'text speak' when the children are just four years old?

[Grahameeboy]

Well we complain about the actions of these kids when they get older and that the Govt is too soft on crimes so maybe this is not such a bad idea if they slip it into health checks...........

If it improves society then I am all for it

[Morcs]

The test is easy - if the kid calls their mother 'Pam', and their grandma 'ma', their going to jail.

But seriously, what happens when these kids they have identified as criminals actually commit crimes - the government will have to somehow be held accountable because they actually knew the likelehood.
The only other option is to lock them up as soon as they turn 18 - I have no problem with that If they are the real bad kind.

[yungatart]

Well we complain about the actions of these kids when they get older and that the Govt is too soft on crimes so maybe this is not such a bad idea if they slip it into health checks...........

If it improves society then I am all for it

Is it improving society or engineering it?

[Ixion]

Bet anyone a choccy fish that 99% + of the "anti-social" kids will be little boys.

And the "training courses" will be designed to turn them into (second class) little girls.

By their standards every single kid Iwent to school with was anti social and should have turned out a criminal. Strange that most haven't. Or maybe they have, since thinking for yourself is pretty much a criminala ct nowdays.

[Lias]

First step on the way tot he government requiring a license to procreate.. and I cant wait!

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Good, if they had mandatory parenting classes we wouldn't have as many little shits running around

Yeah well my brother went to a parenting class. God forbid. While in Nelson my newphew packed a whopping big tantrum - slammed doors, ran out of the house, yelling and swearing - and why?? Cos I had told him off calmly and told him to start getting grateful.

This behaviour of his was ignored cos brother was told to ignore it - how's the retard learning right from wrong. The fact he was allowed to abuse property and f off for an hour - well he missed the stockcards that I was going to shout him and his father to.

Why isn't shit kid allowed to do dishes - this is fn classic - hygene. Well fk me how come brother and I are still alive! Our family totalled 7 - dishes from arsehole to breakfast time. We had to do them.

mstrs got it right - look who's allowed to breed!! present govt cultivated these morons and mentality. I certainly never voted for this govt.

I feel sorry for the teachers.

[Flatcap]

Why isn't shit kid allowed to do dishes - this is fn classic - hygene. Well fk me how come brother and I are still alive! Our family totalled 7 - dishes from arsehole to breakfast time. We had to do them.
.

I would have thought everyone had one of these new-fangled dishwashers nowadays.....

[Ixion]

Yeah. It's called the dog.

[avgas]

All of you guys need to sit down a smoke a bit i think.
Cos at the end of the day, if you aint been to china......you don't know jack about "Big Brother".
300,000+ people who's only job is to block websites, check emails...see what you are typing.
Guaranteed good lifestyle for ALL police......like wise full respect, unlimited jobs.
All phone conversations recorded on 10,000+ rolling window servers.
Every on/off ramp to anything takes a photo of your car.
CCTV (closed circuit, not the channel) cameras every 50m in Beijing, every 200m in Shanghai.
I think NZ cant do much worse.
As for scanning kids to see if the are young loopys.......wont matter a fuck as they wont lock them up, or do anything about it. Its an empty threat, with no infrastructure behind it (CYPS, Police, metal instatutions ha not in NZ). Like saying they will defend the country.....with the Air force.

[Flatcap]

Yeah. It's called the dog.

Only for a post-rinse buff

[Grahameeboy]

Is it improving society or engineering it?

Engineers strive to improve things so same thing.

They carry out pregnancy checks for various things, which is acceptable, so what is wrong with dealing with problem kids

[spookytooth]

Engineers strive to improve things so same thing.

They carry out pregnancy checks for various things, which is acceptable, so what is wrong with dealing with problem kids

The thing is who decides whats so called normal ?Hitler had some ideas that didnt go down too well

[Grahameeboy]

The thing is who decides whats so called normal ?Hitler had some ideas that didnt go down too well

Where does Hitler figure in all this..............

[yungatart]

Where does Hitler figure in all this..............

He is surely the most famous of all when it comes to social engineering......

[Grahameeboy]

He is surely the most famous of all when it comes to social engineering......

Sorry, I thought it was the year 2008...................

[swbarnett]

Sorry, I thought it was the year 2008...................
I heard it said recently that the conditions in Germany today are not dissimilar to what they where just before Hitler came to power. Hitler and what we can learn from the Nazi regime is as relevant now as it ever was.

[MotoGirl]

Cool, so when Cajun and I have kids we won't need to do anything with them because the government is going to do all the parenting for us. Thanks Helen! :2thumbsup

[MotoGirl]

They carry out pregnancy checks for various things, which is acceptable, so what is wrong with dealing with problem kids

I wonder when there will be a pregnancy test to detect problem kids? "Oooh, we've got a potential criminal here, terminate it!"

[Grahameeboy]

I heard it said recently that the conditions in Germany today are not dissimilar to what they where just before Hitler came to power. Hitler and what we can learn from the Nazi regime is as relevant now as it ever was.

So it was better before Hitler so must be better now??

I don't think the Nazi Regime can teach us anything.....it is bad history....

[swbarnett]

So it was better before Hitler so must be better now??

I don't think the Nazi Regime can teach us anything.....it is bad history....
There is no such thing as "bad history". Throw a dart at a time line and there'll be something to learn from where it lands.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

[Grahameeboy]

There is no such thing as "bad history". Throw a dart at a time line and there'll be something to learn from where it lands.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

So Hitler was good history....I see now.........what was I thinking.

"The only thing we can learn from history is that we should ignore it and embarce new ideas to ensure that the future is not doomed" - Grahameeboy

[swbarnett]

So Hitler was good history....I see now.........what was I thinking.

"The only thing we can learn from history is that we should ignore it and embarce new ideas to ensure that the future is not doomed" - Grahameeboy
But without a view to history all ideas are new.

There are two ways to learn - from our own experience or from that of others.

If something has been tried before it's extremely beneficial to look back and learn from that experience - no matter how long ago it was tried.

With specific reference to the rise of the Nazi regime we can look back and examine the warning signs so that we can make sure it never happens again.

[Grahameeboy]

But without a view to history all ideas are new.

There are two ways to learn - from our own experience or from that of others.

If something has been tried before it's extremely beneficial to look back and learn from that experience - no matter how long ago it was tried.

With specific reference to the rise of the Nazi regime we can look back and examine the warning signs so that we can make sure it never happens again.

Well I guess Hitler is the only historical person we can learn from then.................it's a small world:msn-wink:

[Dave Lobster]

I wonder when there will be a pregnancy test to detect problem kids? "Oooh, we've got a potential criminal here, terminate it!"

There's an easy test for that. A five second look at the parents will give you a fair idea. Assuming there's two of them...

[swbarnett]

Well I guess Hitler is the only historical person we can learn from then.................it's a small world:msn-wink:
Some history we want to repeat, some we don't. I suppose you could categorise history as good or bad in this way. I prefer to look at all history as a potential lesson, one way or another.

[Grahameeboy]

Some history we want to repeat, some we don't. I suppose you could categorise history as good or bad in this way. I prefer to look at all history as a potential lesson, one way or another.

Never look back I say........

[Ixion]

Understandable, in your case. I wouldn't want to see it coming either.

[avgas]

He is surely the most famous of all when it comes to social engineering......
Hmmmm
Mao, Stalin, Queen Victoria, Caesar..... i think it was a case of been there and done that by a few before he came around.
Admittedly without him, Germany would be nothing today. And the US would be the biggest cocks in the world.

[Ixion]

Peter the Great was arguably the most enthusiatic social engineer.

[Disco Dan]

I have said it before and I will say it again...

if parents had to "apply" for permission to have children in the first place with un-planned preggies being made an offence.

Parents are then interviewed and screened - to make sure they are mentally stable and financially able to support a child.

...but there goes your human rights!!!!! :crazy:

I reckon it will happen eventually, what with overpoopulation etc

[avgas]

Peter the Great was arguably the most enthusiatic social engineer.
Thank god for google, i thought you were talking about that kid from the C.S.Lewis books.

[nodrog]

....... with un-planned preggies being made an offence.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:stealing shit and writing on walls is an offence, it still doesnt stop them does it.

[Disco Dan]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:stealing shit and writing on walls is an offence, it still doesnt stop them does it.

Imagine having to pay a $4000 fine for an unplanned pregnancy...

Sure make all the youn'uns wear a rubber...

Not like you can 'hide' a baby... oh crap.. prob have heaps of babies thrown off bridges etc... so all the *insert stereotypical low socio-economic group here* dont have to pay the fine...

[Maha]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:stealing shit and writing on walls is an offence, it still doesnt stop them does it.

What kinda sick bastard would Steal Shit??
Let alone try and write on walls with it?....Blankets yes!...Walls no!

[Ixion]

Imagine having to pay a $4000 fine for an unplanned pregnancy...

Sure make all the youn'uns wear a rubber...

Not like you can 'hide' a baby... oh crap.. prob have heaps of babies thrown off bridges etc... so all the *insert stereotypical low socio-economic group here* dont have to pay the fine...


Easy solution. Government by law adds contraceptive pill to all water supplies. Only the Speights brewery has an exception. So, chicks remain non-preggers. Guys that drinks Speights are OK. Those that don't drink Speights are probably homos anyway, so a dose of fanny pills will probably be right up their (back) alley.

And the population will be maintained by the small but elite and refined group of chicks who drink Speights. Who obviously are exactly the sort of people we want as the nations Mums.

[Disco Dan]

Easy solution. Government by law adds contraceptive pill to all water supplies. Only the Speights brewery has an exception. So, chicks remain non-preggers. Guys that drinks Speights are OK. Those that don't drink Speights are probably homos anyway, so a dose of fanny pills will probably be right up their (back) alley.

And the population will be maintained by the small but elite and refined group of chicks who drink Speights. Who obviously are exactly the sort of people we want as the nations Mums.


I vote IXION for Government ! ! !

[nodrog]

Easy solution. Government by law adds contraceptive pill to all water supplies. Only the Speights brewery has an exception. So, chicks remain non-preggers. Guys that drinks Speights are OK. Those that don't drink Speights are probably homos anyway, so a dose of fanny pills will probably be right up their (back) alley.

And the population will be maintained by the small but elite and refined group of chicks who drink Speights. Who obviously are exactly the sort of people we want as the nations Mums.

thats far more fesible than Disco's idea :niceone:

[nodrog]

What kinda sick bastard would Steal Shit??
Let alone try and write on walls with it?....Blankets yes!...Walls no!

a Fecalfiliac :blink:

[Ixion]

What kinda sick bastard would Steal Shit??
Let alone try and write on walls with it?....Blankets yes!...Walls no!

This (http://www.margaretsoltan.com/?paged=171)sort of bastard

[Usarka]

Bet anyone a choccy fish that 99% + of the "anti-social" kids will be little boys.

And the "training courses" will be designed to turn them into (second class) little girls.


One has to wonder if there is a correlation between the lack of male role models and the increase in "anti-social" male youth behaviour.....

ditch the PC crap at schools and encourage men back into the teaching profession.

[The Pastor]

fixing the symptoms and not the cause, go labour.

[Disco Dan]

One has to wonder if there is a correlation between the lack of male role models and the increase in "anti-social" male youth behaviour.....

ditch the PC crap at schools and encourage men back into the teaching profession.

well im one less male teacher in schools.. too much PC crap...


lol prob best that im not a teacher.. or a flipping role model though!

[awayatc]

So the plan is:

Give anti-social people an incentive to breed by linking benefits with number of children.

Wait till each kid from these families is at school age and then intervene.


our government is fucked in the head.:crazy:

Breeding is indeed a career option sad to agree....
teenaged "mums" get petrol allowances and special childcare etc just to finish highschool.
Better-easier and cheaper for em then normal school....:weep: