Perfectly acceptable or a little rude?

[White trash]

Here's a poll without predjudice.

Is it ok to approach a sponsor already heavily involved with a race team and hit them up to sponsor yourself? Including the insinuation that you'd perhaps gain better results for the sponsor than their current rider?

What'd ya reckon?

Give us some reasons either way too.

Ta

[Pussy]

Here's a poll without predjudice.

Is it ok to approach a sponsor already heavily involved with a race team and hit them up to sponsor yourself? Including the insinuation that you'd perhaps gain better results for the sponsor than their current rider?

What'd ya reckon?

Give us some reasons either way too.

Ta

I don't think that would be unethical at all, especially if you can deliver the goods. Sponsorship is an investment by the sponsor, not a gift

[White trash]

That is of course assuming that the sponsors are actually after results for their investment, Pussy. Some are in it for completely different reasons.

[DEATH_INC.]

I voted no, but I tend to agree with the above....sponsership is business (advertising) so I guess if you think you can do a better job at advertising their product.....
It really depends on the situation too, like is it 'do you want another bike in your team', or is it 'i can do a better job' type thing.
Also, I wouldn't do it to someone I knew without talking to them first....

[Joni]

I suppose that everyone runs on a different sets of morals babe...

They see a company that has sponsored before and they think it would be easier to break in there than have to go from scatch and they jump in....

Not everyone is your friend, and will try and undermine you for their benefit. :confused:

I for one would never take away from another to benefit myself... so have said its not acceptable in your poll...

[YellowDog]

Sponsors want better riders and riders want better sponsors.

Any sponsorship would be governed by a contract, so it doesn't mean that someone will be losing out. If sponsors can afford more, then all well and good for the game.

May be some contracts won't get renewed however that's life. Would they get renewed anyway. Nothing has really changed.

[Number One]

That is of course assuming that the sponsors are actually after results for their investment, Pussy. Some are in it for completely different reasons.

key ora cuz!
Being the typical Libran that I am - On the one hand I think it's rude...especially if done in front of said 'existing sponsored rider' with the comment 'I could do better' HOWEVER on the other hand just sounds like Racing to me....does anyone on the track really give a toss about the others on the track? AND I guess sponsors are a bit thin on the ground really so going back to what daddy taught me...'Those who don't ask don't get' and 'you have to be in to win'.
In saying all that I wouldn't be that cheeky but then I'm a nana rider :crybaby: so chance would be a fine thing of me even having the gumption to approach a sponsor, let alone saying 'I could do better than him/her'. Have a good long weekend dude and Hi from the Sullys!

[Bikernereid]

'You' are in the sport to win and at the end of the day the better sponsorship 'you' have the easier your job should be. If you are not in racing to do the best you can then what is the point?

I do not think it is wise to go in there assuming 'you' can do better than the other ride, the last thing you want to do is big 'yourself 'up and then look like an ass if things don't go 'your' way.

Having the opportunity to prove 'yourself' can't be a bad thing and maybe if the sponsors can afford to take 'you' on board as well then they have the chance to decide whether they want to keep all riders or just invest more substantially in a certain rider/riders. It is there cash and they should know how they want to spend it.

'you'- not refering to you personally.

[GSVR]

Anyone who can afford to sponsor motorsport has obviously got to much money. Would be better invested in building bombs and blowing up arabs in Iraq or iconic American buildings depending on who you have the most financial interest in.

War and Peace. Without war we could never achieve peace.

Trying to steal someones sponsor is an act or aggression. You need to get a UN resolution then kill the fucker.

Sorry Whitetrash I'm just having a bad day.

[White trash]

Anyone who can afford to sponsor motorsport has obviously got to much money. Would be better invested in building bombs and blowing up arabs in Iraq or iconic American buildings depending on who you have the most financial interest in.

War and Peace. Without war we could never achieve peace.

Trying to steal someones sponsor is an act or aggression. You need to get a UN resolution then kill the fucker.

Sorry Whitetrash I'm just having a bad day.
S'allright mate. That's how I felt :D

[Sully60]

Hmmm. Perfectly acceptable??
Probably not perfectly acceptable but this is the world of racing in NZ bro.
I don't know the background behind your question but I do know, you know how things seem to work in this country, you know!

Coming at it from the simplistic purely racer oriented approach then yes it's perfectly acceptable.
Half the battle of the racing game is getting the right resources though your exploits off the track so you can get the best result on the track.

Most of the top racers are top blokes as you know, but they're always focused on what they need to do to win, and in that respect all others are irrelevant.

As they said at the start of everyday on Hill Street Blues: “Do it them before they do it to you!”

[justsomeguy]

Well, it's not unethical but will create bad blood and yes is a little rude.

From a business perspective you're simply offering a potential client a better deal (higher results) than they are currently getting.

Firstly are you sure the management of this sponsor aren't buddies/bum chums with the other racer? Or if they are sponsoring him for any reasons apart from gained publicity.

Isn't there anyone else? This feels like approaching a chick who already is with someone. I voted "No".

[GSVR]

Thinking a little more on this I wonder who would do such a thing...

This is where internet chatrooms become dangerous places.

[skidMark]

Thinking a little more on this I wonder who would do such a thing...

This is where internet chatrooms become dangerous places.


it's not a chatroom it's a forum owwww.

[MSTRS]

I see nothing wrong with making an approach. But I wouldn't say 'I could do better than that other guy'....if potential sponsor is at all keen, then let your prior results speak for themselves.

[White trash]

Thinking a little more on this I wonder who would do such a thing...

This is where internet chatrooms become dangerous places.
As someone who's slogged his guts out to race Garry, I realise that you probably view this the same way I do.

Suffice to say, it doesn't actually matter who the rider is. I'm just putting the question out there to see if I am right in feeling a little pissed off or I should pull my head in and just accept it.

The irony is, although this rider will almost certainly give the intended sponsor better results, the rider already supported is definitely a more public and vocal ambassador for the sponsor. Funny old world aint it.

[White trash]

Isn't there anyone else? This feels like approaching a chick who already is with someone. I voted "No".

Exactly:niceone: Thanks jsg.

[Shaun]

Perfectly acceptable, if not a little rude

It happens in motor sport every day of the week world wide

Why you not in Invercargill then

[Pussy]

That is of course assuming that the sponsors are actually after results for their investment, Pussy. Some are in it for completely different reasons.

My bad, then, Jimmy. I would have thought that sponsorship was there to bring your company/organisation into the public eye.... advertising. Not privy to the politics, I'm afraid!!

[99TLS]

i would say acceptable , the more advertising they get the better it is for them imho,

[Drew]

I vote no, but if somebody came to me and asked if it was ok, then yes.

Happened to my lady in almost exactly the same way (by another chick) before I got my bike, or she got hers for that matter. When the subject comes up said culpret brushes it off that she was only kidding, which is not how our sponsor tells it.<_<

[flame]

It's a complete piss off Trashy. But possibly I felt that way because it happened to me, from somebody I know and trusted. Someone trying to lie there way in to a deal will ultimately loose respect from others who know the misleading facts thay have spoken of themselves.

If however it was someone I was unaquainted to, I perhaps would just think well good on them for trying to get ahead, and take it that they think your sponsors are MINT, as it wouldn't be a reflection on you as a person.

But in reality, there are some awesome sponsors around that are not only in the sport for the glory of winning, but for the passion of the sport and the chance to sponsor a rider who reflects their own personality and ambitions.

Well....my 2c worth anyway:cool: ...just smile and enjoy the fact that your a star!

[cowpoos]

Thinking a little more on this I wonder who would do such a thing...

This is where internet chatrooms become dangerous places.

I was thinking that too...but I think I will have a rant shortly.


it's not a chatroom it's a forum owwww.

I thought you pissed off?? :bleh:

[cowpoos]

Here's a poll without predjudice.

Is it ok to approach a sponsor already heavily involved with a race team and hit them up to sponsor yourself? Including the insinuation that you'd perhaps gain better results for the sponsor than their current rider?

What'd ya reckon?

Give us some reasons either way too.

Ta

Okay...I had writen a massive big long badly punchtuated,spelt and almost certianly grammacally incorrect rant...but I looked at it afterwards and though..hmmm.

So..I ticked no..because like you Jimmy I have morals..but the fact is it happens..and possibly thats what you have to deal with.. the fact that this rider may or maynot achieve better results is completely irrelivent..and besides that..I for one would not base your current abilities on your first season..that would be just stupid..your a developing rider..and the sort of kudo's that gives your sponser is helping someone with talent come on!!
Talent which there is no doubt of..one thing I dislike..and I DISLIKE it alot!!

Is the amount of pressure everyone here on Kb place on you..they may be doing in inadvertantly..and coming across as the odd joke or sounding supportitive..

anyway..I'll see ya at jamies later on for a beer [My shout!! and some chocolate for sue... ;) ]

[Clivoris]

Shit man. A suprisingly tough question. Is it alright to approach someone elses sponsor to try and "steal the deal"? It's a ballsy move that is likely to lose friends but if s/he wants it bad enough and s/he is willing to accept the fall-out, then it's up to them. I'd be pretty fucked off if it happened to me but I'd also be asking myself if I have done enough to ask for loyalty from my sponsor. To use the girlfriend analogy, if someone else manages to seduce my girlfriend from under me: she's either an untrustworthy bitch, I'm a slack bastard for not appreciating her enough or the relationship didn't have the legs and wasn't going to last anyway.
Being sponsorless myself I am taking the piss by even posting, but wtf. With sizeable sponorship is it normal practice to have some type of contract outlining obligations and commitments on both sides? Without a contract I suspect that consenting adults will do whatever the fuck they want if it suits them.

[roogazza]

So Trashy, who wants your ride ???? and or does the sponsor want a second rider ? G.

ps. I wouldn't do it , but its been done before.

[Mental Trousers]

Perfectly acceptable, if not a little rude

It happens in motor sport every day of the week world wide

Spot on.

Sponsorship is a prize that racers compete for, both on the track and off. If you've landed a big sponsor that isn't the end of the competition, you've just scored a big head start. However, it's very hard to replace the incumbent unless the sponsor is looking to do so or feels they're not getting value for money.

[Hitcher]

Sponsorship is (or should be) a commercial arrangement where two parties provide each other with mutual benefit. It's not like a marriage. If you don't ask, you won't get.

[White trash]

So Trashy, who wants your ride ???? and or does the sponsor want a second rider ? G.

ps. I wouldn't do it , but its been done before.
HA ha, my sponsors aren't after a second rider, they're perfectly happy with where we are and where we're headed at the moment.

As people have pointed out, if ya don't ask, ya don't get. The rider in question is a little cheeky in my oppinion and I'm kinda flattered the guys that support me are now seen as players in the sport and therefore worthy of attention.

It's all good. Bring on Paeroa and he'll see where we're at :D

[White trash]

My bad, then, Jimmy. I would have thought that sponsorship was there to bring your company/organisation into the public eye.... advertising. Not privy to the politics, I'm afraid!!
All good mate, I'm asking for peoples oppinions and yours makes sense perfectly.

To put it into perspective I'll give you a bit of insight into our very unique little arrangement.

The owners of Easystart Rental Management and Wealth Buy Property are motorsport nutters. One has a brand new HSV GTS that he loves thrashing round the track the other has all sorts of high end performance cars and bikes. Neither of them knew a single thing about what's involved in preparing or running a Superbike, but they knew it interested them and they wanted to be a part of it at the ground level. Both Martin and Steve are having a ball being extremely hands on and sorting out the tuning and development of the team. They love being at the races hangin out with me and Sue, cleaning the bike, timing laps, changing tyre warmers, grabbing time sheets and coffees and just being a part of a developing team.

Now if they were to, for example, throw the money they've thus far invested (and it's a big figure) in let's say Craig Shirriffs ('cause he's the only top rider I know that wont take offence at his name being used), do you think they'd get the same freedom in the running of the team? I doubt it.

So that's where we differ from the top guys, they've made it, we're still learning how to.

[Billy]

As the owner of a small roadrace related business I am approached on a regular basis by people requiring sponsorship.Most of them know that I am already involved with other riders but ask anyway.I dont see it as being rude,However if they were to start telling me they were gonna deliver more than the riders I already sponsor I would end the discussion immediately and I am pleased too see your sponsors did likewise Jimmy.There are a couple of things that need to be thought through before even approaching a prospective sponsor and 1 of them is what does he/she want out of our sport?Its not always about finishing first,second or third,Its about whether the rider is approachable,will people listen to what he/she has too say about your product or service and more importantly will they be the sort of person who will say what you want them to while your around but whistle a different tune when youre not.I have seen some of the best riders this country has produced fail because they thought they were bigger than the sport itself or just plain didnt know how to communicate.Therefore I would say,Not rude to ask but very rude to try and bullshit your way into somebody elses sponsorship,Remember your only as good as your last race NOT your next one Cheers Billy

[Deano]

When it happened to Flame, you told me all was fair in racing bro ?

Have you changed your tune now ;)

I reckon there are several factors -

- do you know the other rider if at all ? A 'mate' certainly shouldn't go behind 'your' back
- personally I would inform the current rider that I would like to approach their sponsor - sus them out first to see how they felt about it
- is the new rider trying to take current rider's place, or team up alongside ?
- the 'new' rider shouldn't purposely denigrate the current rider's ability in order to upstage the current rider

As Shaun says though - it is a cut throat sport/industry.......not that anyone wants to go making any enemies around here ;)

[skelstar]

Tricky huh. I'm not a racer, but reckon alls fair in racing and sponsorship... is rude depending on your relationship with the rider really.If a mate did it I'd be super pissed.

You have a right to be stoked your sponsors value your relationship.

[White trash]

not that anyone wants to go making any enemies around here ;)

Fuck no! Especially in the yellow tent.

(Wasn't them by the way)

[skelstar]

... oh yeah 'name and shame'. If they were successful in their attempt everyone was going to know anyway :)

[White trash]

... oh yeah 'name and shame'. If they were successful in their attempt everyone was going to know anyway :)
Nah mate, no naming and shaming going on here. I've decided (with everyones help) that there's nothing actually "wrong" with what was done. Just a little greedy in my eyes.

All's well and all that shit......

[Sparky Bills]

I dont think its too cool, but its a bussiness world.
Just think... Do to others as you expect to be done to you.
Karma has a way to kick you in the ass everytime!

Can I grab your sponsors contact details please... hehe

[NC]

it's not cool. At all.

[FROSTY]

In my opinion its not what you say but how you say it.Peoples situations are constantly changing. Sponsors budgets wax and wane in time. Riders committment to the racing changes.
I don't see the harm in tossing your name in the hat for sponsership I would be less than impressed as a sponsor to have someone say they can outperform a person I've invested my time and effort into.

[MVnut]

No problemo..........:devil2:

[gav]

I guess maybe a rider has looked at your setup and has asked if your sponsors want to take the next step and do the nationals. Must admit, I'm kinda surprised you aren't doing these South Island rounds!

[Drew]

I guess maybe a rider has looked at your setup and has asked if your sponsors want to take the next step and do the nationals. Must admit, I'm kinda surprised you aren't doing these South Island rounds!

I'm a little suspicious of a someone now man, hope it aint who I think it is.

Jimmy, give the fucker what for!!! I can only assume it's someone you know, and that makes it a cunty thing to do. Tell ya what, tell me who it is, since I have a great history of diplomicy in these kinda situations.

Please disregard this, new information has led me to remove myself from the thread.

[ArcherWC]

Shit man. A suprisingly tough question. Is it alright to approach someone elses sponsor to try and "steal the deal"? It's a ballsy move that is likely to lose friends but if s/he wants it bad enough and s/he is willing to accept the fall-out, then it's up to them. I'd be pretty fucked off if it happened to me but I'd also be asking myself if I have done enough to ask for loyalty from my sponsor. To use the girlfriend analogy, if someone else manages to seduce my girlfriend from under me: she's either an untrustworthy bitch, I'm a slack bastard for not appreciating her enough or the relationship didn't have the legs and wasn't going to last anyway.
Being sponsorless myself I am taking the piss by even posting, but wtf. With sizeable sponorship is it normal practice to have some type of contract outlining obligations and commitments on both sides? Without a contract I suspect that consenting adults will do whatever the fuck they want if it suits them.

I think the analagy above sums it up pretty well

While I ticked "perfectly acceptable" I dont think that is strictly true, it depends on the approach taken. ie, slagging off the encumbant rider would definatly be a NO NO

NZ is a tiny little place where burning any bridges is eventually going to come back and burn you on the ass

Also I think it makes a difference if it is a primary sponsor or not as well

Maybe this could be seen as a good thing, both you and your sponsor have obviously evaluated the relationship and they have chosen to stay with you, and it has probably made you think about what you offer and if there is anything you could be doing better for them. win win at the mo

[Bren_chch]

Nah mate, no naming and shaming going on here. I've decided (with everyones help) that there's nothing actually "wrong" with what was done. Just a little greedy in my eyes.

All's well and all that shit......

Hey WT, Was looking forward to seeing you at Teretonga, but no sign of you. WHERE ARE YOU?

[White trash]

I guess maybe a rider has looked at your setup and has asked if your sponsors want to take the next step and do the nationals. Must admit, I'm kinda surprised you aren't doing these South Island rounds!
Why dat Gav? Know a bit about our situation do ya?

Didn't think so.

[_Gina_]

I think it's perfectly okay for you to be offended Jimmy.

It is motorsport and people will "give it a go" given the opportunity to have the ear of a sponsor - which I find to be the game.

Having said that, it is like the girlfriend analogy given earlier in this thread - it's okay to acknowledge the attraction, it's not okay to try and run the boyfriend down so that you gain the girlfriend. You will be considered to be untrustworthy and generally a bit of a cunt.

Gina

[Riff Raff]

I actually think you should be flattered babe. Your efforts have increased the profile of your sponsors to the level where good riders are taking an interest in them. It shows that you are getting their name out there. It has also highlighted the relationship you have with them and strengthened the bond. I can only see positives from this situation.

[CHOPPA]

As long as its not my sponsors i say go for it haha

[Bren_chch]

hey, why u not at teretonga?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's a poll without predjudice.

Is it ok to approach a sponsor already heavily involved with a race team and hit them up to sponsor yourself? Including the insinuation that you'd perhaps gain better results for the sponsor than their current rider?

What'd ya reckon?

Give us some reasons either way too.

Ta

Fucking oath.


That is of course assuming that the sponsors are actually after results for their investment, Pussy. Some are in it for completely different reasons.

It's only later you told us your sponsors are happy just 'hanging'.


As someone who's slogged his guts out to race Garry, I realise that you probably view this the same way I do.

Suffice to say, it doesn't actually matter who the rider is. I'm just putting the question out there to see if I am right in feeling a little pissed off or I should pull my head in and just accept it.

The irony is, although this rider will almost certainly give the intended sponsor better results, the rider already supported is definitely a more public and vocal ambassador for the sponsor. Funny old world aint it.

Slogged your guts out? Is the bike yours? Did you/are you having to buy it/pay for it? I'm still paying for the race bikes I got 'help' with. NEVER was a race bike literally given to me. So yes...you need to pull your head in. Earn your keep.


HA ha, my sponsors aren't after a second rider, they're perfectly happy with where we are and where we're headed at the moment.

As people have pointed out, if ya don't ask, ya don't get. The rider in question is a little cheeky in my oppinion and I'm kinda flattered the guys that support me are now seen as players in the sport and therefore worthy of attention.

It's all good. Bring on Paeroa and he'll see where we're at :D

That's better.


All good mate, I'm asking for peoples oppinions and yours makes sense perfectly.

To put it into perspective I'll give you a bit of insight into our very unique little arrangement.

The owners of Easystart Rental Management and Wealth Buy Property are motorsport nutters. One has a brand new HSV GTS that he loves thrashing round the track the other has all sorts of high end performance cars and bikes. Neither of them knew a single thing about what's involved in preparing or running a Superbike, but they knew it interested them and they wanted to be a part of it at the ground level. Both Martin and Steve are having a ball being extremely hands on and sorting out the tuning and development of the team. They love being at the races hangin out with me and Sue, cleaning the bike, timing laps, changing tyre warmers, grabbing time sheets and coffees and just being a part of a developing team.

Now if they were to, for example, throw the money they've thus far invested (and it's a big figure) in let's say Craig Shirriffs ('cause he's the only top rider I know that wont take offence at his name being used), do you think they'd get the same freedom in the running of the team? I doubt it.

So that's where we differ from the top guys, they've made it, we're still learning how to.

Any top team would happily let your 'sponsors' polish their bikes and 'hang'.

At the end of the day Jimmy...instead of getting your nose out of joint, you should decide if your hearts in this racing thing or not. If not...let your sponsors cash help someone who's heart and dedication is there.

[cowboyz]

on the other side of the coin, what if you were an up and coming racer who pumped everything they could into the sport and found they could only afford to run midfield. But with confidence and believing in themselves that with more money, better equipment, more support they could do better. So they show up every race to see sponsered teams doing better and better and their bank accounts getting smaller and smaller. The frustration sets in and realisation that even at sub-national levels it requires alot of money to get near the front. So needing a sponser they try to approach anyone they think will take them on board. It is how the approach is done if I vote A or B so I not going to vote right now.

[roogazza]

on the other side of the coin, what if you were an up and coming racer who pumped everything they could into the sport and found they could only afford to run midfield. But with confidence and believing in themselves that with more money, better equipment, more support they could do better. So they show up every race to see sponsered teams doing better and better and their bank accounts getting smaller and smaller. The frustration sets in and realisation that even at sub-national levels it requires alot of money to get near the front. So needing a sponser they try to approach anyone they think will take them on board. It is how the approach is done if I vote A or B so I not going to vote right now.

Has anyone else mentioned that green shit is hard to read ??? My eyes are stuffed , but is it only me ?

Oh and Trash, someone asked why you weren't in the results down Sth, I haven't seen any reply ? or is that something private and personal ?
No worries if it is , just thought we might see you figuring down there ? Gaz.

[Joni]

Has anyone else mentioned that green shit is hard to read ??? My eyes are stuffed , but is it only me ? Sorry trashie for taking it off topic....

I always used to think that about his green as well, until i saw it in the dark universe... it stands out amazingly... I am almost positive he works in the dark universe. :sunny:

[Mental Trousers]

Has anyone else mentioned that green shit is hard to read ??? My eyes are stuffed , but is it only me ?


Been there, done that, he still seems to think that half the site using the Light Universe so not able to read posts is no big deal.

[cowboyz]

yep. in the dark here. But I dont go complaining about people who write in black or blue and I cant read their posts either. If you highlight it it will change colour so you can read it. As I said before, I hardly ever said anything interesting so you are not missin gout on much if you skip past my posts anyway.

[GSVR]

Would a Mod please move this to Pointless Drivel as its ruining a perfectly good thread

[flame]

Oh and Trash, someone asked why you weren't in the results down Sth, I haven't seen any reply ? or is that something private and personal ?
No worries if it is , just thought we might see you figuring down there ? Gaz.

Just because someone has a sponsored machine, it does'nt always mean ALL the costs are covered for the rider. Taking a month off work, paying to get to the Nats, tyres, travel, entry fees and the whole lot of extra costs are often out of most hard working racers budget's. Im sure we'll see WT back in the saddle at the more affordable North Island rounds.

Drew also would have dearly loved to compete at the Nats, As would have I, but the time required off work alone is not always an option.

[sinned]

Has anyone else mentioned that green shit is hard to read ??? My eyes are stuffed , but is it only me ?


Off topic - I have often thought about posting on the green text, having an interest is websites and the like.

Anything that makes it hard for people to read your stuff is a bad idea.

I can't read it at all in light universe, I have difficulty with colours as do 5% of males. I have to be highly motivated to highlight the text to read it, most times I don't bother.

[roogazza]

Just because someone has a sponsored machine, it does'nt always mean ALL the costs are covered for the rider. Taking a month off work, paying to get to the Nats, tyres, travel, entry fees and the whole lot of extra costs are often out of most hard working racers budget's. Im sure we'll see WT back in the saddle at the more affordable North Island rounds.

Drew also would have dearly loved to compete at the Nats, As would have I, but the time required off work alone is not always an option.

Thanks , thought he might have been hurt or something ?

Must admit I've always preferred money over titles. G.

[Drew]

Must admit I've always preferred money over titles. G.

Hell with the cash, I wanna be the best! Just have to wait and see if we can get down there next year I guess.

[Titanium]

It is all about the money!

A sponsor wants a return on his investment. If you have something to offer then go for gold!

All is fair game.

[Clivoris]

Must admit I've always preferred money over titles. G.

That posed me quite a conundrum for a while. Until I realised you said titles and not titties.:Oops:

[Clivoris]

After due consideration I've decided that I would definitely race for titties.

[flame]

After due consideration I've decided that I would definitely race for titties.


lol.....I wouldn't :bleh:

[Sparky Bills]

It so seems that theres more to this story than meets the eye.
DAM!! I hate being out of the loop!:wacko:

[Clivoris]

lol.....I wouldn't :bleh:

What if Drew ate more processed chicken products? Surely the thought of his man breasts heaving with excitement might get you on the gas a smidgeon earlier out of the corners?








Why do I suddenly feel dirty?:sick:

[White trash]

Fucking oath.



It's only later you told us your sponsors are happy just 'hanging'.



Slogged your guts out? Is the bike yours? Did you/are you having to buy it/pay for it? I'm still paying for the race bikes I got 'help' with. NEVER was a race bike literally given to me. So yes...you need to pull your head in. Earn your keep.



That's better.



Any top team would happily let your 'sponsors' polish their bikes and 'hang'.

At the end of the day Jimmy...instead of getting your nose out of joint, you should decide if your hearts in this racing thing or not. If not...let your sponsors cash help someone who's heart and dedication is there.
I think you misunderstood there slightly mate. I didn't mean to imply I slogged my guts out. I know more than anyone that I'm probably one of the best supported "non factory" riders. However by the same token, at between three to five new sets of slicks per meeting, travel and accomodation, time spent of work and the like, it's still far from easy budget wise.

Wasn't down south for various reasons, had a couple of personal issues that stopped me contesting the first two rounds. Teretonga was supposed to be a huge meeting for us in a corporate sense however someone fucked up the bookings and all my sponsors and their associates are booked for an action packed weekend in Invercargill, next weekend. The descision was made that it was simply not worthwhile me travelling all that way to race two races then travel all the way in the space of 6 days I had available to me. Sorry to dissapoint the folks that were gunning for me but it just wasn't to be.

We WILL be chargin' hard at Paeroa, Manfeild and Pukekohe. Got a couple of scores to settle ;)

[roadracingoldfart]

What if Drew ate more processed chicken products? Surely the thought of his man breasts heaving with excitement might get you on the gas a smidgeon earlier out of the corners?








Why do I suddenly feel dirty?:sick:


OK OK OK Im getting a headache now Clive Now put ya raincoat away and get back to the subject :niceone:

[roadracingoldfart]

I have come across this exact same thing Trashy.
I had a "team mate "for one meeting one time and then it stopped Pheeew.
Ill add that some sponsors do like to have a "B"crew to highlite the "A"team a bit more in the results. That can be clever marketing .
Id say its like this , advertising is good to any product , some market factors are better taken care of on the radio but others are better on the tele , some work in a magazine. We seek to make it work on a race bike fairing.
Its a funny thing advertising so it goes hand in hand to be a funny thing politically.
If i had the situation in my first sentance again i would have to show my hand in asking Why , How , When, is another party going to represent better than i was when representing alone and if the answers were valid and the image was positive to the sponsor then i would accept it . The reason we all seek a sponsor is to gain exposure for them , allow us to afford to race and to increase what we get from them by maximizing the exposure.
Finally .... another person sharing the same sponsor should be encouraging not depressing as it comes down to results in the long term.(survival of the fitest)

[GIXser]

well for what its worth these are my thoughts. (i didnt vote because of this)
if you know the person on a personal level or even spoken to him/her on occasions, i say next time you see them punch em square in the face, and say thanks mate" as the person has no pride, backbone, dignity, ethics etc etc,and if its a chick, just tell her she is fat, that should suffice

if on the other hand the person is new on the scene and you dont know them , then i give them a ten for trying.

anyway was good to see ya at the wedding ..........:girlfight:

[Drew]

,and if its a chick, just tell her she is fat, that should suffice


The best way to do that is to act nice, and just slip in, "you look different, have you gained wieght?" Works a treat;)

[denill]

HA ha, my sponsors aren't after a second rider, they're perfectly happy with where we are and where we're headed at the moment.

Of course it's the sponsor's decision (and their right) to decide what's best for them.

So what's the outcome? It appears they opted for you?

PS: I voted - No. :Playnice:

[denill]

It's a good thread tho - as it's a salutary lesson - never EVER take your sponsors for granted. :Pokey: A lot do!

[skelstar]

The best way to do that is to act nice, and just slip in, "you look different, have you gained wieght?" Works a treat;)

Or: "so when is it due?"

[Drew]

It's a good thread tho - as it's a salutary lesson - never EVER take your sponsors for granted. :Pokey: A lot do!

I cant imagine why anyone would take thier sponsors for granted, being as few and far between as they are.

Difficult to know really, since people put shop stickers on thier bikes for as little as 10% discount on parts, when most shops will give that to any regular customer. As riders in general the shops are sustained by us, so why advertise them or thier product for free?

[codgyoleracer]

In Superbike & GP & other large scale competitions you do see the same sponsors supporting a multitude of riders. Whether they approach the riders team or wether its the other way around - i dont know.
In little ole New Zealand, - If a rider was wanting to approach the same sponsor & they were aware of the current riders support, I would say its lilekly better to approach the team & rider as one group on the basis that the you "might be" able to bring "the team" even more exposure for a cost that wont double the outlay (assuming that some costs travel & accomadation + bulk buying discounts actually decrease the overall outlay).
Other unkown issues (other than saving money) - need to be considered in this scenario though I.E rider / team personal compatibilty, + also the chosen machinery would need to be the same in suspension & tyre & brand if the goal was to actually develop both bikes/riders to increase the pace.

So my opionion is - that it is a viable option to approach a riders existing sponsor , however the method of the approach in our small market needs to be structured with some care so as not to damage the current riders "deal" & to genuinly benefit the sponsor as a whole.

In the scenario that its the sponsor that has approched a new rider in the first instance (instead of the other way round), then the gloves would be off.

Back-up option: Keep in mind If the "other rider" is on the bones of his / her arse financially, - then they may be just applying a shotgun approach to potential interested parties for support , & be sending there CV to a multitude of companies/people. ?