Something that REALLY bugs me! Caution - RANT ahead :)

[StoneChucker]

Now, it may just be me, but the whole "Women Only" gym / gym area idea just pisses me off :angry2:

At my gym, Les Mills on Taranaki st, they have a women only section. And there are a whole host of women only gym's operating (Contours) and opening. I was just browsing trade-me, and someone was selling a gym membership for Contours, advertising that it was great if you don't want to work out with men.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand why some women would prefer to excercise in a male-free environment, there are quite a few guys out there that go to gym for other, less respectable reasons. But, why the fucking hell is it ONLY women that feel self conscious, and therefore have the right to choose where, and who they excercise with. I have heard women I know talking about how they like gym becuase they like to check some of the guys out. Obviously this is only a certain percentage of women, but it goes to show that women do also look at men. So, why is it that I, as a male, have no fucking choice but to excercise in a co-ed environment. Now, if I had the choice, I would choose to work out where I am now, but at least I would have a bloody choice.

The whole idea that ALL men are perverts, who go to gym only to perv on women, chat them up and "hook up", and that men don't feel self conscious and don't need a choice makes me so angry. :angry2:

Equality between the sexes? I don't fucking think so...

[AMPS]

Les Mills has a men only area - the showers.
Lou

[StoneChucker]

:eek5: Thanks AMPS :Pokey: , I'll be sure to check it out... not! :Offtopic:

[manuboy]

wots a gym???

[ZorsT]

its the same with male and fe-male teachers. Male teachers get persicuted and are more likely to be accused of being a teacher so they can hang out with little boys and girls(sick bastards) maybe its because more pedophiles (sp?) are male, but still, that doesn't mean females arent pedophiles... I've never heard of a female pedophile teacher case at all, but im sure they are out there. Im sure the only reason my PE teacher is there is so she can watch all the girls in my class run.... :weep: :weep:

[duckman]

its the same with male and fe-male teachers. Male teachers get persicuted and are more likely to be accused of being a teacher so they can hang out with little boys and girls(sick bastards) maybe its because more pedophiles (sp?) are male, but still, that doesn't mean females arent pedophiles... I've never heard of a female pedophile teacher case at all, but im sure they are out there. Im sure the only reason my PE teacher is there is so she can watch all the girls in my class run.... :weep: :weep:
If you keep an eye on the news, there has been two recent situations were women were found guilty on having sex with minors (boys) and one was a school teacher and a student.....

[StoneChucker]

There have recently been 2 cases in the news of teachers sleeping with their students. One male teacher and female student, and one female teacher and male student. The male teacher got by FAR the more severe sentence. As far as I know, both cases were in the same country, and I'm sure there were extenuating circumstances to both, but, it still doesn't change the fact that men are thought of as deviant, sexual predators.

But my main annoyance is the gym topic. If a teacher sleeps with their students, there should be ONE set of rules, regardless of gender. And that should go for rape, assault (including domestic abuse), etc... Hell don't even get me started on domestic abuse. I mean whats the point, men are violent bastards, and women are incapable of abusing their partners............

In some ways, "civilised" society is so archaic, and it's hard to imagine a time when it wouldn't be :shutup:

*EDIT* this post was written before duckman, just took longer to type and post :)

[MOTOXXX]

recent situations were women were found guilty on having sex with minors (boys) and one was a school teacher and a student.....


i wouldnt have complained if it was one of my hot teachers back in the day. hehe

[duckman]

i wouldnt have complained if it was one of my hot teachers back in the day. hehe
Hahahaha You dirty little .... Hmmmm gym teacher... mmmmmm :Oops:

[Quasievil]

sorry what we talking about :whocares:

[MOTOXXX]

Hahahaha You dirty little .... Hmmmm gym teacher... mmmmmm :Oops:



hahah its all good :yeah: :yeah:

[Hitcher]

And the point of this rant is what exactly?

If there was a buck to be made from boys only gyms, I am sure they would be out there in abundance!

[jrandom]

My wife is a Contours member for precisely the reasons that SC describes. She used to train with me, years ago, at JustWorkout downtown, and was the weary recipient of the usual arse and tit staring.

Hell, I still hand it out myself. Sorry, girls.

But I personally can't be stuffed if someone wants to look at me (right now, I very much doubt the likelihood of that, at least from an "ain't he hot" perspective, anyway). I honestly can't say I know any guys who are at all bothered about being looked at for any reason, either.

Added to that, there's nothing nicer for the male ego than being checked out by a chick, even if it's always going to be a strict LookButDon'tTouch (tm). And, if you're all twitchy and sensitive about *not* being checked out, then train harder and watch your diet more closely.

SC, if you really think there's enough of a self-conscious male market for a men-only gym, with nothing but manly hairy and/or shaved butts and chests to stare at, be my guest, and go with my blessing.

Except that nobody would ever go there to train, because of the assumption that they'd be continually checked out by all the gay dudes.

:lol:

[Jamezo]

you would like the choice of going to a male-only gym?

is there any chance you, ya know, have teh ghey?

:buggerd:

[duckman]

Look at that!!! The man suggests he would like a little "man only" privousy (sp) and he's labelled GHEY.... :blink:

:laugh: What is the world cuming too :whistle:

[Motu]

Well you'd love the gym across the road from me - Tony Martin's Sports Connection,Tony's a bit of a hard case,but I could do without his heap of shit CF Bedford camper we have been playing with the last few days.He has a board out on the road side where he has adds he changes every few weeks - he got into a bit of trouble with the straight laced religious types in the area when he advertised Nude Aerobics! Got a personal visit from David Hay and told to take it down....but Tony just laughed at the ex Mayor and said 'haven't you got a sense of humour?'.

[rodgerd]

And the point of this rant is what exactly?

If there was a buck to be made from boys only gyms, I am sure they would be out there in abundance!

I doubt it. They'd be buried in a blizzard of complaints and legal action from people trying to prove a point.

[rodgerd]

My wife is a Contours member for precisely the reasons that SC describes. She used to train with me, years ago, at JustWorkout downtown, and was the weary recipient of the usual arse and tit staring.

Hell, I still hand it out myself. Sorry, girls.


My gym seems to have a few women who want the attention, though. How else does one explain the blonde lass with the tiny waist, big boobs, and round bum who wears clothes that might as well be sprayed-on and whose t-shirt reads "Porn Star"?

[Hitcher]

I doubt it. They'd be buried in a blizzard of complaints and legal action from people trying to prove a point.
They could try. Given the existence of women-only and other gyms that provide mixed memberships, I don't think any such legal action would be successful.

[StoneChucker]

I said in my post, that I would still work out in a co-ed environment, but having the CHOICE is my point. And yes, of course some can't resist the urge to give homosexual taunts, and thats fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Hell, some may believe that ALL women that go to women only gyms are hardcore feminists and lesbians, who think that there is no use for men in society. And again, that is fine, as to some degree and percentage it may be true (in the same way that SOME men who MIGHT use a men only gym, MAY be homosexual).

But, are you trying to tell me that there are no homosexual / lesbian people at co-ed gyms? And why the hell does that even matter. It is irrelevant, and had nothing to do with my original point.

And, upon further consideration, I guess my beef is with Women Only SECTIONS, of co-ed gyms. I can live with gyms that are in their entirety, women only. But I CAN'T live with co-ed gym's providing for one group, and not the other. That is discrimination. If Les Mills can't afford to make two sections, one women only and one men only, then they shouldn't make one in the first place.

Can ANYONE see the fundemental point I'm trying to make?

[FROSTY]

Hey personally I couldn't give a shit because I prefer a swimming/aerobics work out than heavy metal lifting BUT -It would be interesting if a bloke -or bettter a group of blokes went to join up at contours or similar.
Isn't it against the law to not allow someone membership on the grounds of their sex? Wasn't that the very equality women have been fighting for?
Come to think of it if contours had a program that suited my needs --Hang on they do -fitness/aerobic, and they were close to me--oops they are :third:

[jrandom]

I said in my post... wibble wobble blither...

... upon further consideration, I guess my beef is with Women Only SECTIONS, of co-ed gyms. I can live with gyms that are in their entirety, women only. But I CAN'T live with co-ed gym's providing for one group, and not the other. That is discrimination. If Les Mills can't afford to make two sections, one women only and one men only, then they shouldn't make one in the first place.


'Should'? 'Shouldn't'? Your problem, Mr Chucker, is that the sledgehammer of media-inflamed sociopolitical opinion has not yet addressed this question. If, for instance, your rantatory remarks were in relation to the question of 'baccy and the smoking thereof, a legislative framework would stand ready to sooth your troubled id.

But since most people really don't give a toss about *this* question, the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith is the only thing governing its nature.

And, as has been pointed out, ain't nobody gonna get rich from a men-only gym.

If you're truly interested in the more fundamental nature of Right, Wrong, and the various shades of inbetweenism, however, the Scottish thread might be more to your taste.


But, are you trying to tell me that there are no homosexual / lesbian people at co-ed gyms? And why the hell does that even matter.

I'm sure that there are plenty at all of them. I strongly suspect Contours of being a surreptitious and decadent lair of lascivious lesbianism, though.

And I'd appreciate it if none of you popped that bubble for me.

[StoneChucker]

XJ, I think you're right. But, they probably have legal right to refuse membership to oily, criminal biker types :D :D

It would be interesting though, to find out the legal aspect as to whether Contours could refuse membership to a male. I'm sure they could, probably along the lines of it interferring with the product offered to 100% of the other members, or, it being detrimantal to the success of the business. I mean, if I go to a car garage, I can't go and force the mechanic to work on my bike.

Even if you could (re: contours), the minute you walked in the door, ever heard the saying "if looks could kill"? :doh:

Forget race relations, humanitarian issues, pollution and all the rest, THIS is something I would be in to challenge/protesting about. Anyone up for a group walk in to the women only section at Les Mills? (that is, assuming it isn't prohibited by law)

[jrandom]

XJ, I think you're right. But, they probably have legal right to refuse membership to oily, criminal biker types :D :D

Even if they didn't, do you think *any* self-respecting establishment would let used car salesmen in?

[rodgerd]

They could try. Given the existence of women-only and other gyms that provide mixed memberships, I don't think any such legal action would be successful.

The anti-discrimination laws don't provide that sort of loophole. You might be able to claim that you're a private club and so it doesn't count, but that would be about it.

[jrandom]

The anti-discrimination laws don't provide that sort of loophole. You might be able to claim that you're a private club and so it doesn't count, but that would be about it.

What *are* the relevant anti-discrimination laws? Post and cite the Act in question in the next half hour or so and I'll grab some spare time after I go home later tonight to read through it and post an interpretation.

[FROSTY]

Even if they didn't, do you think *any* self-respecting establishment would let used car salesmen in?
OYYYYY :kick: :2guns: :Pokey:
Some of us are respescable members of this ere society.
besides that if I'm asked I always say im a recycled loo seat salesman.
When ya think about it that aint far from the truth

[Paul in NZ]

THIS is something I would be in to challenge/protesting about. Anyone up for a group walk in to the women only section at Les Mills? (that is, assuming it isn't prohibited by law)

Ok.... Heres a guy determined NEVER to get a date in this town again!

Stress less. If ladies want their own area so what? Fundemental points be buggered. It's just not worth it. (understanding what wimmin want - just give to them and smile)

Paul N

[FROSTY]

Mate he does have a valid point -Imagine if we started an exclusive male only bke club-wouldn't the shit hit the fan.

[Motu]

You could always go to 'Boy's Town' :killingme

[KATWYN]

Makes up for all the wanky brandy & cigar "gentlemans clubs" of times
past - where women weren't allowed. :shifty:

I think there are some male only gyms....you just need to look
in the right places. Look in the classified section :laugh: - its true

[MrMelon]

Gyms tend to be enough of a sausage fest as it is already without having male only areas!

But shouldn't part of going to the gym be building up the confidence to be able to deal with people of the opposite sex being around while you're working out?

[Quasievil]

I said in my post, that I would still work out in a co-ed environment, but having the CHOICE is my point. And yes, of course some can't resist the urge to give homosexual taunts, and thats fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Hell, some may believe that ALL women that go to women only gyms are hardcore feminists and lesbians, who think that there is no use for men in society. And again, that is fine, as to some degree and percentage it may be true (in the same way that SOME men who MIGHT use a men only gym, MAY be homosexual).

But, are you trying to tell me that there are no homosexual / lesbian people at co-ed gyms? And why the hell does that even matter. It is irrelevant, and had nothing to do with my original point.

And, upon further consideration, I guess my beef is with Women Only SECTIONS, of co-ed gyms. I can live with gyms that are in their entirety, women only. But I CAN'T live with co-ed gym's providing for one group, and not the other. That is discrimination. If Les Mills can't afford to make two sections, one women only and one men only, then they shouldn't make one in the first place.

Can ANYONE see the fundemental point I'm trying to make?
:sleep: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz

sorry Im pissed and naughty

[Ghost Lemur]

Makes up for all the wanky brandy & cigar "gentlemans clubs" of times
past - where women weren't allowed. :shifty:

I think there are some male only gyms....you just need to look
in the right places. Look in the classified section :laugh: - its true

It's that statement that really pisses me off. Seen it with the race issue and with the sex issue.

Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

That doesn't mean I have a problem with girls-only gyms, I don't. Then again I don't have a problem with Gentlemen clubs and firmly believe they should be allowed. Don't even really have a problem with someone getting thousands in grants just coz they got 1/16th maori in them.

But if we talking about discrimination, IT'S ALL DISCRIMINATION. There is no such thing as good discrimination and bad discrimination. It's just as much human nature as judging people.

The only thing that pisses me off is people who buy that first statement of yours, because that's just hypocritical bullshit.

[Ms Piggy]

Let me just say there is a difference between equity and equality. Thats all I'm going to say or I'll go on a bit :shutup:

[Motoracer]

Bloody ell.

How many chix are there, that are the type to hit on a bloke? Then take that number and compaire it with the number of blokes that regularly hit on chix.

Obviously, females in genral tend to get more attention than their male counterparts from the opposite sex.

Now, if you can imagine yourself as a pretty fit female. Imagine this. You wake up, get ready at home then as soon as you step out of your house. You'll probably get hit on, in the train or in the bus, in the office, at the lunch bar by almost anything with a penis. It's not just getting hit on, it'll be the eyeing up and down your fit body (your still supposed to imagine your self as a hot chick here). Every male from a 15 year old zit faced with a boner to an 80 year old man who probably wished he had a bonner like the 15 year old will be having sexual thoughts about you.

Now hold that thought.

Normally people go to the gym to forget about all their day to day worries and basically take a break from it all. It is one of thoes feel good things that you can do in your busy cityslicker life style as a stress relife. Now just from the previous thought, why on earth would you want to still worry about some bloke getting a boner from the view of your ass or tits or legs, as you are working out?

You can stop imagining that you are a hot chick now.

I suspect that it all gets a bit too much when all these women are wanting to do is take a break and work out.

Compair that to your normal life style. I am sure you get hit on by the ladies and everything but generally it would be no where near to the same extent as the frequency of passes that would have been made if you were a female. If a chick made a pass at you at the gym, would you take it as a compliment or an offence? Compliment ofcourse! That's cause it don't come to us often enough to make us sick o fit (should I be speaking for myself only here?).

SO... You have female gyms for ladies and then there are the other gyms for male and females cause let's face it, male only gym would just be gay. :laugh:

Why do these differences exist? Because of society, culture and a bit of genetics ofcourse, but you already knew that. You could have figured this out as well, if you just gave it a bit of thought.

Peace, MR.

[Hitcher]

Let me just say there is a difference between equity and equality.
Hopefully not a vas deferens...

[justsomeguy]

Really? Women only sections got you pissed off? Well they could argue on religious grounds saying that they are trying to cater to the muslim community or some other similar equally authentic piece of pig poo.

This is taking the rant down a detour but the end destination is the same. What pisses me off is the slagging that guys get in the ads. All they are are scruffy, simple minded idiots who just about manage to tie one shoe lace before they forget how to tie the other. While women are always beautiful, hourglass figure (no matter their age), very smart and usually pitying, saving, helping or defeating a guy. From the air new zealand ad to the mcdonalds ad to the power company ad, etc, etc, etc........

[KATWYN]

Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

.

No Ghost. It just becomes equality

What is hypocritical about that.

[sAsLEX]

No Ghost. It just becomes equality

What is hypocritical about that.


explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??

We are now the minority, work hard and get nothing!

hypoocritical is the fact that if you hire a man over a women with both having equal qualities it is discrimination, the other way around it is not . To me this is not either making sense or fair.

[Paul in NZ]

Mate he does have a valid point -Imagine if we started an exclusive male only bke club-wouldn't the shit hit the fan.

I reckon we should call it M.I.M.A.

Paul N

[Ms Piggy]

This is taking the rant down a detour but the end destination is the same. What pisses me off is the slagging that guys get in the ads. All they are are scruffy, simple minded idiots who just about manage to tie one shoe lace before they forget how to tie the other. While women are always beautiful, hourglass figure (no matter their age), very smart and usually pitying, saving, helping or defeating a guy. From the air new zealand ad to the mcdonalds ad to the power company ad, etc, etc, etc........
I agree but then again how many adverts to do with cleaning the toilet or cooking have women doing these things??? Oooo sorry said I wouldn't so I mustn't! :shutup: :shutup: :shutup:

[Ms Piggy]

explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??
It's b/c the whole world has been white male space for many many years! :angry2:

Oooooo dear...promised I wouldn't. Running away now. :innocent:

[spudchucka]

Les Mills has a men only area - the showers.
Lou
Hang out there often Lou??

[DebK]

Stonechucker - here's a plug for my gym, where there are no posers, no segregation, great spin & boxing circuit classes, is a privately owned gym ie. not a franchise/Les Mills chain, yadda yadda. Join DC Fitness Innovations in Tawa!

I refused to join Les Mills or BodyWorks and the like because of the 'elitist' and 'poser' attitute. In many cases you pay through the nose AND then have to pay additional for classes. Then from what you've said, haven't got access to all parts of the gym as there is a 'womens only' area.

[KATWYN]

explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??

We are now the minority, work hard and get nothing!

hypoocritical is the fact that if you hire a man over a women with both having equal qualities it is discrimination, the other way around it is not . To me this is not either making sense or fair.


Yet no white male space?? How long did white males dominate that
space in history.....maybe its someone elses turn now.

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.

[Ms Piggy]

Hopefully not a vas deferens...
No, thats not what I was meaning :shifty:

[Ms Piggy]

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.
Although, don't you think Katwyn, without the extremists nothing could ever change.

:Oops: I'll stop now for sure. I'll ban myself from this thread!

[HanaBelle]

'Should'? 'Shouldn't'? Your problem, Mr Chucker, is that the sledgehammer of media-inflamed sociopolitical opinion has not yet addressed this question. If, for instance, your rantatory remarks were in relation to the question of 'baccy and the smoking thereof, a legislative framework would stand ready to sooth your troubled id.

But since most people really don't give a toss about *this* question, the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith is the only thing governing its nature.

And, as has been pointed out, ain't nobody gonna get rich from a men-only gym.

If you're truly interested in the more fundamental nature of Right, Wrong, and the various shades of inbetweenism, however, the Scottish thread might be more to your taste.

I'm sure that there are plenty at all of them. I strongly suspect Contours of being a surreptitious and decadent lair of lascivious lesbianism, though.

And I'd appreciate it if none of you popped that bubble for me.

Aha!! I cannot resist....

1. You write far too well to be a puter geek...and
2. **pop** (say no more, evidence aboundeth but some residual fantasies invoke small twinges of caring mercy so we shall refrain from more than the very definite onomatopeic emphatic)

HB

[HanaBelle]

Yet no white male space?? How long did white males dominate that
space in history.....maybe its someone elses turn now.

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.

Hitcher is practical indeed. Economics is a matter of fixing supply to meet demand. Who wants to pay to go to a hairy white guy only space? (except other hairy white guys and they are forever getting suspicious about each others sexuality so that will go to hell in a handbasket real fast, spacewise). Oh! RA is pointing out that the KKK have indeed tried to enforce a white only space but perhaps they let their hillbilly girlies in too... :stupid:

Stonechucker is morally and logically correct, IMHO. There is no justification (not even the rather dull and cliched "well, they are still dominating everything") for denying men the space to be free of a sexualised environment while exercising. Men get a ridiculously small emotional range and suffer all sorts of intensely rough handling on the end of their own (socially toxic) heirarchy behaviour. You brutes, you. :yes: :yes:

On the other hand, we could all ride?

[Motu]

I'd say a boxing gym was a male only gym - but we now have women boxers...oh dear,where will it end?

[Milky]

There are things like this that get under my skin too... Not just the inequity? inequality? injustice? in male-female relations where one is given preferential treatment beause of historical imbalance. I am thinking in the cases of child custody, teaching, sex offences etc. I am not against women having seperate spaces at Uni, but I have trouble coming to terms with the exclusion for the sake of equality argument.

There is also the point of race, which is more important to me than sex (in the context above). I do not mind the fact that Maori get redress for the injustices done to them in early European involvement in NZ, but when policies are laid out that SPECIFICALLY target Maori people for general welfare it begins to piss me off. It may be that there are more Maori people in poverty/ill health etc, but target the ill health or poverty, NOT the people suffering from it. I am sure that people like John Tamihere or Donna Awatere-Huata dont need the help anywhere as much as white trash living in a trailer outside wellytown ;)

I think the point I am trying to make is this:
Sure there was inequality in the past, but is the path to true equality walked by those who address the imbalance through yet more inequality? Equality is not something that can be reached by adding a bit more to the opposite side of the scales.

Note that I am not sure on the nuances of equality and equity, but I hope I got my point across.


My gym seems to have a few women who want the attention, though. How else does one explain the blonde lass with the tiny waist, big boobs, and round bum who wears clothes that might as well be sprayed-on and whose t-shirt reads "Porn Star"?
I notice that too... The ones with the large messages emblazoned across their chests who then get highly agitated when you stare at their tits reading the message :thud: What on earth do you expect? IMHO, men in general try to keep things discreet, but when instinct takes over it can be hard to suppress

[Mr Skid]

explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??


White male space? I believe its called the engineering school.. :bleh:

[justsomeguy]

I agree but then again how many adverts to do with cleaning the toilet or cooking have women doing these things??? Oooo sorry said I wouldn't so I mustn't! :shutup: :shutup: :shutup:Oh yes, I know. But these are NOT servant women. They are exceptionally well groomed, fit, well dressed domestic godesses who know exactly what is good for thier family. And thanks to them their (poor old) husbands manage to make it through the day.

On average women are portrayed as intelligent and men dumb.

That's what I was trying to say.

[justsomeguy]

White male space? I believe its called the engineering school.. :bleh:
All the white males who would actually use a white male place please stand up - please stand up - please stand up - and put of thier fingers on each hand up............

[Ms Piggy]

Oh yes, I know. But these are NOT servant women. They are exceptionally well groomed, fit, well dressed domestic godesses who know exactly what is good for thier family. And thanks to them their (poor old) husbands manage to make it through the day.

On average women are portrayed as intelligent and men dumb.

That's what I was trying to say.
Yeah you're totally right. As I said, I agree. I hate all thoese adverts too. Especially the ones with the guy changing his baby's nappy and he gets it wrong "What a silly Daddy". :angry:

[Ms Piggy]

There are things like this that get under my skin too... Not just the inequity? inequality? injustice? in male-female relations where one is given preferential treatment beause of historical imbalance. I am thinking in the cases of child custody, teaching, sex offences etc. I am not against women having seperate spaces at Uni, but I have trouble coming to terms with the exclusion for the sake of equality argument.

There is also the point of race, which is more important to me than sex (in the context above). I do not mind the fact that Maori get redress for the injustices done to them in early European involvement in NZ, but when policies are laid out that SPECIFICALLY target Maori people for general welfare it begins to piss me off. It may be that there are more Maori people in poverty/ill health etc, but target the ill health or poverty, NOT the people suffering from it. I am sure that people like John Tamihere or Donna Awatere-Huata dont need the help anywhere as much as white trash living in a trailer outside wellytown ;)

I think the point I am trying to make is this:
Sure there was inequality in the past, but is the path to true equality walked by those who address the imbalance through yet more inequality? Equality is not something that can be reached by adding a bit more to the opposite side of the scales.

Note that I am not sure on the nuances of equality and equity, but I hope I got my point across.

Like I said previously Milky, equity & equality are different.

Equality is when everyone is treated the same, IMO that is a bullshit fantasy that will never be reality b/c we've never been equal i.e we all start at a different point, didn't all have the same opportunities etc. Equity is recognising the differences i.e. gender, ethnicity etc, and going from that point to try and right the wrongs. Sometimes certain groups within society need to be treated differently or targetted in order for there to be equity.

[KATWYN]

Although, don't you think Katwyn, without the extremists nothing could ever change.

:Oops: I'll stop now for sure. I'll ban myself from this thread!

I agree. Take for example 3rd world middle eastern countries where there is no social or economic progression - have you noticed its always the countries where the woman are oppressed that the countries don't seem to get anywhere and yet in other societies where woman are equals, the economies and life in general is thriving.

What is that really saying about womans roles

[Fryin Finn]

I went to a gym once and was checked out by some of the chicks. :wavey: And I was fully clothed. Must have been the Clipboard I was entering notes into that made them interested. (I was doing a measure up for Gym extensions) Oh I had a camera as well.
If you want a really good workout get yourselves a dirtbike and spend a coupla hours at the MX track :thud:

[Blakamin]

I spend all day within 100 metres of a gym (next to work) never been in, never going to... BUT, If I wanted to start a male-only gym area, I would bet $1000 that some woman in the country would be offended by my idea and call it discrimination..... probably wouldn't be a KB'er, but some woman in this country would have a problem with it!

btw... the "womans day" ads are pathetic... "smarter than men in every way" ???
if a bloke's ad did that, it would've been banned by now!

[bluninja]

btw... the "womans day" ads are pathetic... "smarter than men in every way" ???
if a bloke's ad did that, it would've been banned by now!

so who IS smarter? :Pokey:

[bluninja]

I used to frequent the Club Physical in Te Atatu which has a small gym area for women only. However the leg spreader machines were in the co-ed section. Obviously us guys need to tone our inner thighs....or perhaps have some serious perving opportunities :shake:

Couldn't give a monkeys either way....going to the gym is mostly a social thing...for the fees you pay, you could build up a full set of free weights and some machines and workout at home.

[Blakamin]

so who IS smarter? :Pokey:
Steven Hawking... but somehow, I cant imagine him at a gym

[rodgerd]

What *are* the relevant anti-discrimination laws? Post and cite the Act in question in the next half hour or so and I'll grab some spare time after I go home later tonight to read through it and post an interpretation.

Pretty sure it's covered by the Human Rights Act and amendments.

[rodgerd]

Makes up for all the wanky brandy & cigar "gentlemans clubs" of times
past - where women weren't allowed.

So the answer to the problem of sexism is more sexism?

[rodgerd]

Couldn't give a monkeys either way....going to the gym is mostly a social thing...for the fees you pay, you could build up a full set of free weights and some machines and workout at home.

No, you can't. I've tried that route once. It's exhorbitantly expensive if you're doing any reasonably heavy weights. A decent squat rack, olympic bar, and weights costs serious $$$.

[inlinefour]

Now, it may just be me, but the whole "Women Only" gym / gym area idea just pisses me off :angry2:

At my gym, Les Mills on Taranaki st, they have a women only section. And there are a whole host of women only gym's operating (Contours) and opening. I was just browsing trade-me, and someone was selling a gym membership for Contours, advertising that it was great if you don't want to work out with men.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand why some women would prefer to excercise in a male-free environment, there are quite a few guys out there that go to gym for other, less respectable reasons. But, why the fucking hell is it ONLY women that feel self conscious, and therefore have the right to choose where, and who they excercise with. I have heard women I know talking about how they like gym becuase they like to check some of the guys out. Obviously this is only a certain percentage of women, but it goes to show that women do also look at men. So, why is it that I, as a male, have no fucking choice but to excercise in a co-ed environment. Now, if I had the choice, I would choose to work out where I am now, but at least I would have a bloody choice.

The whole idea that ALL men are perverts, who go to gym only to perv on women, chat them up and "hook up", and that men don't feel self conscious and don't need a choice makes me so angry. :angry2:

Equality between the sexes? I don't fucking think so...


They bitched on about women can do anything, only to later state that they cannot. Probably feminists :finger:

[Hitcher]

They bitched on about women can do anything, only to later state that they cannot.
Equality versus equity, as the lovely CSL mentioned earlier...

[KATWYN]

So the answer to the problem of sexism is more sexism?


What do you think is the best way to solve the problem rodgerd? Have
you got a suggestion?

[KATWYN]

In the mid to late 80's I worked really hard to complete
an apprenticeship - it was a male dominated environment
of about 12-15 men and my soon to be trade was non traditional
for woman.

To cut a long story short, they made dam sure sexism
was here to stay and I finished just short of getting my
trade certificate because they tried their best to break my
spirit- and they succeeded - at that time.

After picking myself up and dusting myself off (literally)
I then had to start again. So i'm kinda opinionated on the subject
of sexism

[Hitcher]

I might actually post on here who the company in Wellington was..
who the owner was/is and who the main ring leader
was.....I don't give a shit
If you think it would be therapeutic, than go for it!

[KATWYN]

If you think it would be therapeutic, than go for it!

it would not be fair if there is a new owner of that company.

I'll let sleeping dogs lie

[bear]

Come on, if women only gyms mean that the girls are more motivated to get out there and work out, then I'd concede not perving at the gym to see good fit looking ladies in the streets.

[StoneChucker]

Spend ONE night off KB, and I have to spend eons reading up what I missed!


they tried their best to break my
spirit- and they succeeded - at that time
Well, that is obviously hideously unfair. I do think that it takes a certain TYPE of person to propogate sexism. I can't imagine myself putting ANY group down, now, or even if I lived 50 years ago.

Have
you got a suggestion
This is the problem. There is NO easy solution. Any solution with any chance of having a positive effect would take decades, and the continued support of the generations implementing it...

Equality versus equity
I definitely agree with that. Women and men are not the same, and I am endlessly grateful for that. It is the differences between us that make us attractive and life interesting.

for the fees you pay, you could build up a full set of free weights and some machines and workout at home
Whats that smell??? :shifty: No bloody way, MAYBE you could buy one of those excercise machines off an infomercial, which would sit unused in your basement for all eternity. The gym, mine anyway, continually upgrades and adds equipment, maintains equipment and provides classes and activities which I could not emulate at home. And then yes, after that, it is social, with tv's, music and the people.

The ones with the large messages emblazoned across their chests
I have to admit, I read every tshirt that has writing on it. BUT, I read male and female shirts, so it's got nothing to do with the gender for me. What the fuck is the point of writing on shirts, if it's socially unacceptable to read it?

Normally people go to the gym to forget about all their day to day worries AND I am sure you get hit on by the ladies AND If a chick made a pass at you at the gym, would you take it as a compliment or an offence AND male only gym would just be gay
Ok. Yes, one of the reasons I go to gym is that I can just get on the treadmill and run. I don't have to think, just run. Like that Nike add in "What Women Want". And no, I don't get hit on by ladies, ever. I doubt that's suprising. HONESTLY, I would prefer it if a "chick" just left me alone, and didn't bother me while I was running. At the best of times I have trouble talking, it's alot harder if I'm running. But I must add that I feel really uncomfortable when anyone talks to me, but thats my own problem. Male only gym's would all be gay? Well, at least you don't succumb to stereotypes.

How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space
I didn't even know about that. Shit that is equally, no, more discrimanatory than my first point. How the hell can they justify that? What, I don't need a place that I feel comfortable in, to study? Fuck that. [/QUOTE]

how many adverts to do with cleaning the toilet or cooking have women doing these things
You're right, and I agree completely, and however unbelievable it may be, I really hate that aswell. And that is alot of the problem, the media continuing that train of though. THAT would be a good place to start, to slowly bring about some sort of change.

It's b/c the whole world has been white male space for many many years!
Cathy... come now, thats not the answer. Yes it is true in days gone by, and to some extent now, but over compensating is not the answer. How would you feel if you were given things, SOLELY on the fact that you're female? Personally, I wouldn't like that at all.

HAHAHA, guess where I'M going now? GYM :P Going to attempt a decent run :Punk:

[Motoracer]

Ok. Yes, one of the reasons I go to gym is that I can just get on the treadmill and run. I don't have to think, just run. Like that Nike add in "What Women Want". And no, I don't get hit on by ladies, ever. I doubt that's suprising. HONESTLY, I would prefer it if a "chick" just left me alone, and didn't bother me while I was running. At the best of times I have trouble talking, it's alot harder if I'm running. But I must add that I feel really uncomfortable when anyone talks to me, but thats my own problem. Male only gym's would all be gay? Well, at least you don't succumb to stereotypes.If you look at it from a businessperson's perspective, who would want to invest in running a gym. Would you honestly believe that the business would have a chance in hell to run a male only gym? Sure there will be a few guys in a similar situation as you but how many exactly? Enough to fulfill the running cost of the male only gym. I wouldn't think so, but then again, I don't know for sure. It is just what I think. I think that is why we don't have male only gyms. The gay bit was supposed to be a bit of a joke.

[MikeL]

Well I can't really comment about the separate gym issue. The gym/pool that I go to is fully integrated, no segregation apart obviously from the changing rooms. Whatever perving goes on is too insignificant to mention - I've never seen any woman look uncomfortable or react negatively to any behaviour. Everyone seems too focussed and serious - quite boring, really...
But I can comment about workplace attitudes towards women. My wife was virtually forced out of a good job by the stupid, ignorant, nasty and boorish behaviour of her male colleagues. Because she wasn't "one of the boys" she became a target for subtle and not so subtle forms of bullying. Being "one of the boys" apparently meant cheating on expenses, claiming for more hours worked than were actually done, sloping off before the packup was finished at the end of the day, refusing to take responsibility for anything and sundry other behaviours generally associated with an excess of testosterone and a diminutive cerebrum. I suspect this type of situation occurs quite often. Why are women such a threat to men, I wonder??

[MikeL]

Hopefully not a vas deferens...

Hey, that is very witty...

... perhaps too witty?

[StoneChucker]

Would you honestly believe that the business would have a chance in hell to run a male only gym?
No, of course not. I probably didn't make myself completely clear earlier, sorry, but I didn't mean to imply that they could. It would certainly be financial suicide. (Although, you MAY make your money from the hordes of gay people joining - :D continuing from your joke:lol:)

Sure there will be a few guys in a similar situation as you but how many exactly
Err, what situation is that? :eek: Like I said much earlier, I wouldn't use a male only gym. I'm just astounded at the discrimination. Continuing from my last post, HONESTLY, what would happen if Massey and Vic Uni built a separate area, and put a sign over the door saying "WHITE ONLY"??? But, it's OK to have "MAORI ONLY", or "WOMEN ONLY"??? Puhleeese :calm:

[Jamezo]

Hey, that is very witty...

... perhaps too witty?

very witty? too witty? no such thing. but hey, vas the deferens?

[Ms Piggy]

Cathy... come now, thats not the answer. Yes it is true in days gone by, and to some extent now, but over compensating is not the answer. How would you feel if you were given things, SOLELY on the fact that you're female? Personally, I wouldn't like that at all.

HAHAHA, guess where I'M going now? GYM :P Going to attempt a decent run :Punk:
Ohhhhhhhh so it's ok for you to get all hot under the collar about a women only gym but if I feel a little miffed about the history of inequity it's not ok? Hmmmmmmmm...isn't that a little bit of a double standard? For years women were excluded from different things on the basis of gender, so maybe your anger and feelings make you realise how (possibly) a lot of the female population used to feel.

Lucky you're such a sweetie or I'd be very cross! ;)

[KATWYN]

Ohhhhhhhh so it's ok for you to get all hot under the collar about a women only gym but if I feel a little miffed about the history of inequity it's not ok? Hmmmmmmmm...isn't that a little bit of a double standard? For years women were excluded from different things on the basis of gender, so maybe your anger and feelings make you realise how (possibly) a lot of the female population used to feel.

Lucky you're such a sweetie or I'd be very cross! ;)

Very well said :niceone:

[Ghost Lemur]

Ohhhhhhhh so it's ok for you to get all hot under the collar about a women only gym but if I feel a little miffed about the history of inequity it's not ok? Hmmmmmmmm...isn't that a little bit of a double standard? For years women were excluded from different things on the basis of gender, so maybe your anger and feelings make you realise how (possibly) a lot of the female population used to feel.

Lucky you're such a sweetie or I'd be very cross! ;)

So which is it then?
He can't be pissed because it's a recent thing (reverse discrimination) and yet you can because it's a historical one. I hate to tell you but you weren't alive throughout that history so I'm sorry but I ain't taking responsibility for something that happened before my time.

As for inequity, I'm sorry but I don't buy it. As I said I've got no more problem with a womens gym than I do with a gentlemens club. If a group of people want to have an enviroment to themselves more power. The hypocracy is glaring though.

The number of Feminists who are really just boring old sexists is scarey.

As slightly illustrated earlier by yourself and someone else (I don't remember who). The emancipation (jr/mikel right word?) of males that is happening in society at the moment is shocking. Why is it happening? For hystorical sins. That sucks, no man alive today should be responsible for something he didn't even do.
Not to mention you look around. Prime Minister's a woman, Telecom and TelstraClear CEOs are women. Women can do anything they want already. As for the indervidual cases of sexism, that sucks, so does the reversal though. How many males getting into early childhood are going to last the distance with the constant stares over their shoulder, etc.

Illustration time: It has just taken me over two years in order to get custody of my two sons. And the only reason it happened so "quickly" was the ex finally decided to relent. There was violence in the relationship (not by me), I had the backing of CYPS, the shrink appointed by the court, hell even her parents, and it still got draged out. She was still given oportunities to fuck with them, where if the roles had been reversed it would have been all-she-wrote in 6 months tops and I'd never be able to see the boys again. Fair? NO. Equitible? BS. Sexist as fuck? Damn straight.

Talking of cases hope you're hanging it there and not letting the bastards get to you Celticno6.

[KATWYN]

The number of Feminists who are really just boring old sexists is scarey.



Ghost, you have a good point; there is a difference here. Sexism & feminism

I've noticed in these threads that all of us (me included) that are particulary "wound up" about this sexism subject, have been subjected to
it in someway and at some point it has affected our lives.....therefore its pretty easy to rant about it.

[StoneChucker]

Lucky you're such a sweetie or I'd be very cross!
Aww, thanks Cathy, and I rely on that to get me out of trouble. Do I have any sweetie credits left? :msn-wink: I don't mean to offend you in any way, honestly. I think you may have misunderstood me though. What I meant was, you responded to

How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??
with

It's b/c the whole world has been white male space for many many years!
What I meant was, that it's not fair to discriminate against people living today, for what people living in previous generations have done. At no time should there ever have been a "white male space", but because there was, it's caused no end of problems now. Like Apartheid in South Africa. I am so glad that I grew up right at the end of it. And today, even though there were heaps of atrocities committed against black people, there are no black only areas in SA today. Yes, there is discrimination in other forms, but that is another huge topic all in itself.
Anyhow, sometimes I don't express what I'm thinking articulately enough.

[Jamezo]

Maddox has a thing or two to say about feminism: http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.html

Worth a laugh at least

[Ms Piggy]

Maddox has a thing or two to say about feminism: http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.html

Worth a laugh at least
:killingme Definitely worth a laugh. I do 2 out of 3 of those :blah:

Hey Stoney - you didn't offend me I was just making a point but, I do get sick of men talking about women like they know how it is for us. :wacko:

I'm not gonna get into a big rant about it cos there are too many rants at the moment and I'm not some man hating feminazi either, quite the opposite in fact! I am a big man fan in fact :msn-wink:

I just think that it's very naive and kinda arrogant to try and say "Ok, thats the way it was so please forget about it now and act like it never happened so we can move on." These things take time to sort out and to get back to Daves original point, I for 1 would much rather go to a Gym with women only and if men wanna have men only Gym go for it.

Yes there is some 'reverse' discrimination these days but its funny how a man gets supported for making point or complaint and a woman gets slagged off and called a raving feminazi. Possibly not explaining this too well oh well, don't take me too seriously b/c I could change my mind in a week...but then again that is a gals prerogative.

[bluninja]

No, you can't. I've tried that route once. It's exhorbitantly expensive if you're doing any reasonably heavy weights. A decent squat rack, olympic bar, and weights costs serious $$$.

In reply to this, and the smells of bullshit jibe....

It depends how you work it out. If you want to recreate a luxury gym in your own home for your exclusive personal use then you can't make a case. However if I took expenditure on gyms over a 5 year period for both me and my wife, was prepared to purchase second hand equipment to start with and bought only the equipment that we needed for our particular needs it would work out cheaper....especially if you substituted a 1/2 meter box for the stepping maching, a real cycle instead of an exercise cycle and actually walked and jogged instead of standing on a treadmill. A chest strap and wrist monitor for heart rate could allow you to manage/monitor your aerobic performance.

You don't need to go to the gym to get fit...you just go to get pampered and have a social. :hug:

BTW if Olympic bar and heavy weights are too expensive you could use some scaffold poles with 50 gallon oil drums full of water welded to them. Some people huh? They want everything done for them ....no effort ...or thinking on their part.


Hooked yet? :yeah:

[StoneChucker]

bluninja
Yeah, when you put it like that, if you wanted just 1 piece of equipment then yes. But I didn't think you meant running on the road, I thought you meant buying a treadmill...

Celtic_Sea_lily
After you explained yourself again, I completely see what you're saying. I hadn't thought about it that way, which I guess is why public discussions are good, to share, and gain new perspectives. But I'm sad to hear you would use a women only gym... How are us guys supposed to check you out??? HAHAHAH, err JOKING ;););)

[Ms Piggy]

But I'm sad to hear you would use a women only gym... How are us guys supposed to check you out??? HAHAHAH, err JOKING ;););)
Thats just a personal thang, guys can check me out anytime ;)
And why do ya think I go swimming? Men in speedos.........

[NC]

I'm so going to join Les Mills and annoy you by training in the boys and girls gym...And I'm going to lift weights next to you, and make sure I'm doing at least 20kgs more than you :bleh:

Don't stress dude...have you looked at other gym set ups? :)

[avgas]

if it didnt happen to you or your generation, its not your bloody problem
I can say the world is sexist..........to men
i got turned down from 3 jobs, all automotive trade, because a women applied.
In 2 of the cases, the women had no automotive experience at all
wotta ya say to that :sneaky2:
Also the whole gym thing, what would be the point of an all mens gym?
Isnt that just a garage? I mean there is bear, loud music, tools and heavy lifing.
Also there is not guys checking out other guys, just ya mates and cars/bikes

[NC]

if it didnt happen to you or your generation, its not your bloody problem
I can say the world is sexist..........to men
i got turned down from 3 jobs, all automotive trade, because a women applied.
In 2 of the cases, the women had no automotive experience at all
wotta ya say to that :sneaky2:
Also the whole gym thing, what would be the point of an all mens gym?
Isnt that just a garage? I mean there is bear, loud music, tools and heavy lifing.
Also there is not guys checking out other guys, just ya mates and cars/bikes


Cry me a river mate, ever tried being a chick on a building site?
For some odd reason most of the "males" on site don't think a chick can do the job as well as a man can. I still don't get paid as much. I work twice as hard and get no fucken credit.
I threw a 8m prop at a sexist pig at work.. He go the point and was fired.

[Joni]

if it didnt happen to you or your generation, its not your bloody problem
I can say the world is sexist..........to men
i got turned down from 3 jobs, all automotive trade, because a women applied.
In 2 of the cases, the women had no automotive experience at all
wotta ya say to that :sneaky2:
Also the whole gym thing, what would be the point of an all mens gym?
Isnt that just a garage? I mean there is bear, loud music, tools and heavy lifing.
Also there is not guys checking out other guys, just ya mates and cars/bikes

and wait till your CEO tells you, you got the job because of your "assets".... WTF?....

[NC]

and wait till your CEO tells you, you got the job because of your "assets".... WTF?....


Hey baby :msn-wink: Nice house :msn-wink:

[KATWYN]

[SIZE=4]i got turned down from 3 jobs, all automotive trade, because a women applied.
In 2 of the cases, the women had no automotive experience at all


Did you have any automotive experience? if not, were you expecting to get the job because of being a male? and it came as a shock to not get it.

How do you know the female applicants had no automotive experience ??
If what you are saying is actually how it was....(ie) they were WOMAN" so they automatically got first bite of the cherry...then that appears descriminative

[KATWYN]

I threw a 8m prop at a sexist pig at work.. He go the point and was fired.

Good job.

I don't envy you. Ive been there before, only I was the one fired (or should I say was given no choice afterwards) - you have got bigger something arather (call it what you may) than me to put up with sexist pig bullshit.

[Ms Piggy]

if it didnt happen to you or your generation, its not your bloody problem
I can say the world is sexist..........to men
i got turned down from 3 jobs, all automotive trade, because a women applied.
In 2 of the cases, the women had no automotive experience at all
wotta ya say to that :sneaky2:
Also the whole gym thing, what would be the point of an all mens gym?
Isnt that just a garage? I mean there is bear, loud music, tools and heavy lifing.
Also there is not guys checking out other guys, just ya mates and cars/bikes
:bs: Because it happened it does affect me and obviously still affects women.

[KATWYN]

if it didnt happen to you or your generation, its not your bloody problem


What about the aftermath of agent orange ? there lots of things that become the problem of the next generations

[NC]

Good job.

I don't envy you. Ive been there before, only I was the one fired (or should I say was given no choice afterwards) - you have got bigger something arather (call it what you may) than me to put up with sexist pig bullshit.


Ah well I was sick of putting up with it <_<

[Milky]

I am a big man fan in fact :msn-wink:
Should I read that as a fan of big men or a big fan of men????

[Milky]

...behaviours generally associated with an excess of testosterone and a diminutive cerebrum. I suspect this type of situation occurs quite often. Why are women such a threat to men, I wonder??
Because for hundreds/thousands of years men were dominant. They feel - I am not sure I should be using they or we here - that their inherent dominance is being challenged, and respond with derision and scorn. I think that the response is brought about, in part, by the fact that women do a better job than men in many situations.
A diminutive cerebrum, or at least the feeling of such, is likely to produce a crude response. IMO women are more likely to articulate themselves better - a consequence of being more social?? - and we feel threatened by that. Not being a psych person I cant back that up with studies, but I think that is supported by observing the actions of bullies...

[StoneChucker]

Which is why I think it will be a GREAT thing if/when HILLARY Clinton makes president in the 2008 elections, in which she supposedly will be running. Only thing is, they'll have to get rid of Condoleeza Rice, just imagine the two of them arguing! Imagine how many handbags the whitehouse will go through :laugh: :laugh: :lol: :Oops:

[NC]

Which is why I think it will be a GREAT thing if/when HILLARY Clinton makes president in the 2008 elections, in which she supposedly will be running. Only thing is, they'll have to get rid of Condoleeza Rice, just imagine the two of them arguing! Imagine how many handbags the whitehouse will go through :laugh: :laugh: :lol: :Oops:
As long as they don't both end up with hair like Donald Trump's, with all that hair pulling :killingme

[Ms Piggy]

Should I read that as a fan of big men or a big fan of men????
Well we all know size doesn't matter, so thats for me to know. :shifty:

[NC]

Well we all know size doesn't matter, so thats for me to know. :shifty:
:shifty: Sure it doesn't :shifty:

[bluninja]

:shifty: Sure it doesn't :shifty:

R we talking bikes, men, or women ?????
:spudwhat:

[NC]

R we talking bikes, men, or women ?????
:spudwhat:
What are you talking about? :rolleyes:

[bluninja]

What are you talking about? :rolleyes:

I have absolutley no idea :banana:

[NC]

I have absolutley no idea :banana:Well that's sorted then :laugh:

[HanaBelle]

Well we all know size doesn't matter, so thats for me to know. :shifty:

Wot?? Size doesnt matter?? Isnt that something we tell guys?? I heard it only works because they are so desperate to believe its true...

:spudwave:

[StoneChucker]

Way to NOT promote stereotypes :Pokey: :sneaky2:
The women here keep changing their minds about the topic, and the men have no fucking clue whats going on :lol: :lol: :D :D

[StoneChucker]

I heard it only works because they are so desperate to believe its true...
Lol, if you only knew how much that troubled "us" <_<

[Mr Skid]

Way to NOT promote stereotypes :Pokey: :sneaky2:
The women here keep changing their minds about the topic, and the men have no fucking clue whats going on :lol: :lol: :D :D

huh? :confused:

[bluninja]

huh? :confused:
Another male with no clue!!! :Punk:

Would that be QED to Stonechucker?

[NC]

Wot?? Size doesnt matter?? Isnt that something we tell guys?? I heard it only works because they are so desperate to believe its true...

:spudwave:
What's that sound?????


It's the sound of hundreds and thousands of mens hopes and dreams simultaneousley shattering due to having a small penis...

You're a evil woman!!! :lol:

[Paul in NZ]

Jokes about small appendages aside....

A lot of the examples quoted here are not really sexisim are they. I mean the bloke that told someone they got the job because of their assets or some one ragging you on the job because you are a gurl....

Most of that happens because the person making the comment is a bully or a moron.

If you were of a different race, age, size etc they would all find some thing they didn't like about you and give you are hard time or make frigging stupid comments.

In the real world, people DO get hired because of their assets. We hired a wonderful person here because she has a wonderful broadcast voice with an interesting accent. (well ok it was not the only reason but it was a deciding factor). It's not an insult because part of the job involves a lot of cold calling. If you have an appealing look, you will be do better in some jobs. Face it!

TV News is unlikely to hire a hideously deformed news reader with a screachy irritating voice are they?

The AB's are not going to hire a person that is not really very good at playing rugby are they? (hang on, scratch that)

That's commonsense.

Most sexist remarks come from the same people that also make agist remarks, bully the apprentice, make fun of 'darkies' etc etc. I think some times to just call the remark 'sexist' when there is so much else wrong with the person making them.. well it's a bit bloody wet...

That 'David' character on The Office was a good example.

They are simply prats.

Paul N

[Jamezo]

David? Sexist?

"Now that's offensive to women, which I hate" (I think he's said that quite a few times actually)

comedy gold...

[NC]

TV News is unlikely to hire a hideously deformed news reader with a screachy irritating voice are they?

Paul Homes!!! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[Jamezo]

Paul Homes!!! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

my favourite Holmes moment was when he interviewed the handicapped basketball team.

[Paul in NZ]

Paul Homes!!! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

Well... I guess I asked for that! :doh:

Pretty funny that.... :lol:

PN

[NC]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

my favourite Holmes moment was when he interviewed the handicapped basketball team.


I can say, I never watched Homes....

[KATWYN]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

my favourite Holmes moment was when he interviewed the handicapped basketball team.

And thats funny because........??

[NC]

And thats funny because........??


Maybe Paul publicly insulted someone again? Maybe he called one a "Wheelie Cheeky Darkie"?

[Jamezo]

And thats funny because........??

it was just great to see holmes squirm.

[KATWYN]

it was just great to see holmes squirm.

Oh right, got ya.