My options?

[Vapor]

I have just put a deposit down on a brand new k7 GSXR600, as I sit my full license on the 15th Feb and am ofcourse really excited. My budget is stretching to the max to get the new gixxer which is fine and I think the summerfest deal is pretty good, $13,995. I have a niggling feeling that I would really like a 750, however I cannot stretch to the $16,995 for a brand new one. I am stepping up from a MC22 CBR250RR, and am sure that a 600 will be plenty of a handful anyways. I am weighing up the factor of having my first lovely brand new bike (Which seems like a big deal to me) or buying a second hand 750.

Opinions please ;)

I have heard alot of people saying if you buy a GSXR, might aswell go for the 750.

[skelstar]

Jebus. I rather spend the extra $3k on other stuff rather than an extra 150cc.

[White trash]

Fucken GSXR600 is probably one of the nicest, easyest to ride, predictable sports bikes you can buy today.

Stick with it mate, I wish I had of. You wont be dissapointed.

[Dino]

You will have a ball with all the extra power of the GSXR600 over your current 250, and its new, thats got to add another smile factor.

[onearmedbandit]

Go with the new 600, it's a decision you will not regret.

[MSTRS]

250 > GSXR600 is still a big step up. The 750 won't do much more than the 600 anyway, so you'd be wasting the extra $3000....spend it on bling, pipe etc

[Cruisin' Craig]

I've ridden a recent 600 that a mate of mine bought, and thought it was mighty quick. It also had the bonus of being user friendly enough that I was comfortable making good use of said quickness. I bet you can do everything on a 600 that you could do on the 750. And you'd have a brand spankin' new bike. My mate has had it for a few years now and says he doesn't think he'll need anything more...ever.

[mynameis]

If I was you I would not stretch my budget, I don't see much point in buying brand new unless you have a huge disposable income and it wouldn't matter if you did.

But most of us live in the real world and we do have budgets. I'd go for one which has just been broken in or even slightly higer k's. But probably less than 10,000 k's. The bike is still new and has a lot of life in it but the main difference is PRICE.

You save a fair bit of coin by buying one which has done, say, 5000k's than a brand new. The money you save could then be used on bling and good decent GEAR which is really important. And if you have good gear then I'd bank the money and keep it for proper maintenance and service work when it's due.

Here's an example of what I am saying, probably not the best but close.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-137127459.htm?key=260818

If you negotiated the least you could probably knock off is $500 than you have 3.5g spare for gear, bling, insurance and service which surprisingly costs a bit and we all tend to forget about these and not take it into account when buying new bikes because of the excitement.

Just my 1c worth either case whatever you do enjoy the new ride man !!!!

[Vapor]

Thanks guys for the replies so far ;) I am leaning towards the brand new 600 at the moment, the smile factor of being able to own a brand new bike is awesome. It would be the first brand new vehicle I have bought ever :)
I will be paying cash, so its not like I will be incurring more debt. Just don't have the extra cash spare for the 750. Aswell as the fact the wife has agreed to the 14k mark, but the 17k for a 750 crosses the line with her lol.

[Chrislost]

250 > GSXR600 is still a big step up. The 750 won't do much more than the 600 anyway, so you'd be wasting the extra $3000....spend it on bling, pipe etc

what utter shit!

the 750 is a frekan animal under 12000RPM and it makes the 600 look like its standing still...

however from 100 - 250km/h the 600 and 750 are pretty even

but then after 250km/h the 750 starts pulling away again.

however all, ALL of that does not matter because the speed limit is only 140.

[owner]

I also wanted to buy new so I waited till the shops had all their new stock and then haggled for their last year model that theyve had sitting around for a year got me 2000 off, but Ive gotta ask why suzuki everyone has one, their pretty run of mill.:Pokey:

[Vapor]

To be honest, the price has a lot to do with the decision for the Suzuki. I also quite like the look of the k6/7 Suzuki's especially in all black. :) I already have some ideas for customisation, as in Custom vinyls to replace the OEM stickers etc etc. I think you can make them look pretty mean :)

[Movistar]

Hey Vapour, I got the 750 and absolutely love it. The 600 compared to the 250 is gonna rock ya socks anyway!
You can get carried away with HP figures and 0-100kph times, peak torque etc etc between the two but at the end of the day they're both great bikes.
The K8's will be available soon so if you can hang off a little longer you may save a little extra when the new model comes out, I guess the release price will be higher anyway.

Snatch a 600, theres nothing quite like owning a bike/vehicle from brand new, even if you only do it once, just so you have.
Sure it's gonna depreciate, we all know that, but at least whatever you do to it, you've done it.

If further down the track you feel you need more, then hey at least your trades gonna get you a whole lot closer!

I've been lucky enough to get two new bikes an as many years but think I'll be holding onto the 750 for a while yet, it does all I need it to and more...the 600 would have been enough but the 750 was within my budget so I got that.

End of the day it's up to you (well ok as we know it's actually up to your wife! That's ok' I'm in the same boat!) but I'd grab the new 600 and you won't be able to wipe the smile off your face!

[skelstar]

... theres something about owning an 8 year old bike at a third of the price too ;) Doesn't always have to be all about HP/Torque.

[Pwalo]

The GSXR 600 is a real belter. All of the 600s are, but the GSXR is probably the most comfortable on the road.

It will have more than enough performance to keep you entertained for some time (even my SV does). Besides if you've got planning approval don't mess around.

[Pwalo]

The GSXR 600 is a real belter. All of the 600s are, but the GSXR is probably the most comfortable on the road.

It will have more than enough performance to keep you entertained for some time.

Besides if you've got planning approval don't mess around.

[jrandom]

Get the 600. Can't beat that new bike smell, and you won't be any faster on a 750 on the road or around a racetrack for quite some time yet, so why bother with one?

Even a new GSX-R750 feels like a bit of a slug after getting off a litrebike. It's all relative.

You'll love the 600. Stop stuffing around and buy the motherfucker already so you can post pics for us to drool over!

:niceone:

[Devil]

Wait till you've got your licence and go test riding.

Everytime I get on a K6 + 600 I cant help but think how godamn fucking gutless the thing is under 10,000rpm. Even the K4 k5's seem more usefull.

Seems the most comfortable and friendly of the supersport bunch though.

Buy a second hand Triumph Daytona 675. That engine I dont have a problem with. Pulls from low down just nicely. You'll find one for the same price as the gixxer.

[SVboy]

I love my k7 600. So comfortable and loadsa grunt. Torque is good for anIL4 600. I tour on mine easily, and love {trying} to fang it. That induction roar over 10000 rpm-instant hard-on!! You will LOVE it......the induction roar that is! Handles great too!

[Vapor]

Cool SV ;) I went and had a sit on the 600 today, perfect size for me, just get both feet flat lol. I have always wanted the 675 since it came out it just had that appeal to it. But after sitting on one of the daytonas the seat heat is a bit more than the gsxr and the ergos seem to stretch me lol. Where as when I sit on the gsxr it seems more comfortable than the mc22 lol. Holeshot have a Daytona with 22,000 ks on it for $13,995 which is the same as the brand new 600... hmmmm..... decisions. I will be commuting aswell, so I fear if I take the daytona it could end up being uncomfortable. GSXRs are common, but I quite like the look of em, the tail end looks cool imo. tough decisions tho. Just can't wait whatever happens.

[Pussy]

They're common, Vapor, but a great little bike. I'm 6ft and it's comfortable for me. I've dropped the pegs to the lower position due to a crook knee, and don't have issues with it. The six hundy will impress you with it's performance, especially if you're prepared to work the thing. I personally like my sem fiddy (after four GSX-R1000s), but have also really enjoyed my rides on K6-K7 600s. You'll love it. Enjoy

[Devil]

Holeshot have a Daytona with 22,000 ks on it for $13,995 which is the same as the brand new 600... hmmmm..... decisions. I will be commuting aswell, so I fear if I take the daytona it could end up being uncomfortable.

I have ridden that very bike and was going to buy it myself before something else came up.

I found the riding position quite good (i have a bad neck, for example, I cant tolerate an SV S for long because it's quite stretched). The only downside was the seat was crap, but that's easily fixed.

Get test riding. Then buy the daytona anyway. Ridden it and the gixxer back to back and it's no contest for me. 675 any day.

[MotoGirl]

If my riding style suited 4-cylinder bikes I'd take Cajun's K4 600 in a flash. That wee bike has got some grunt (extras help), and because it's well looked after, has given us bugger all trouble since we bought it new back in '04. The Suzukis look way hornier than anything else out there too :clap:

I wouldn't dick around buying second hand, especially if you can afford brand new. Just remember though, fit some frame sliders because it'll suck big time if you scratch your new baby!

[Vapor]

Thanks again for all opinions... :)

Devil - Is the GSXR that bad? I like the idea of buying a brand new bike. With 22,000 k's on it that Daytona is still mint but its not brand new ;)

When I sat on the Daytona, I didnt feel as comfortable, but I havent riden it as yet. I think they are an awesome looking bike.

I actually like the idea of a all black GSXR and I have some ideas on making it look really cool with add on bits, might go with the gold/black look.

If I had the money for the brand new daytona I would probably be very tempted.

[Taz]

ALL of that does not matter because the speed limit is only 140.

:rofl: .

[SVboy]

Follow your heart. It took me 2-3 weeks to have the balls to say yes to my first brand new bike. I have tail tidy,sliders.head light protector on so far plus a ventura rack when touring. I dont regret it at all-lovely bike.

[cowpoos]

I have just put a deposit down on a brand new k7 GSXR600, as I sit my full license on the 15th Feb and am ofcourse really excited. My budget is stretching to the max to get the new gixxer which is fine and I think the summerfest deal is pretty good, $13,995. I have a niggling feeling that I would really like a 750, however I cannot stretch to the $16,995 for a brand new one. I am stepping up from a MC22 CBR250RR, and am sure that a 600 will be plenty of a handful anyways. I am weighing up the factor of having my first lovely brand new bike (Which seems like a big deal to me) or buying a second hand 750.

Opinions please ;)

I have heard alot of people saying if you buy a GSXR, might aswell go for the 750.
buy the 600...the 750 is a little bit more powerful...but not alot!! and the lil 600 motor is surprisingly flexable and rideable at all rev's...

But if your hearts set on a 750...as far as affordability goes...I could work out a affordable lease deal for you as an alternate option.

[Jimmy B]

I havent ridden the GSXR600 but think its probably a fair bet. I do also remember some reported problems with the 675 mill.

from Jim2:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=50645&page=12

There are other articles around as well.

[Devil]

Devil - Is the GSXR that bad? I like the idea of buying a brand new bike. With 22,000 k's on it that Daytona is still mint but its not brand new ;).

Dont get me wrong, the GSXR is a good bike. But my gripe lies with just about all the current supersport 600's. They're getting way to track focused. Bugger all torque. If you went from a 250 to one, you wouldn't notice until you rode something that did have torque.
For road riding, torque is king.
I'd still love to have a blat on the track with the gixxer, but thats where I think it belongs.
How about a new Triumph Street Triple. Now that thing is hilarious.

[Vapor]

arh ok,

I get what your saying :)

I guess like you say, as I am coming from a MC22 I would imagine the GSXR 600 would have a boat load of torque compared to the 250.

The other thing I think about is that the wifey has said that she doesn't want me to get anything over the 600ish cc bracket. lol, I was lucky enough to convince her into letting me get into road riding as it is.

Maybe I just wont ride anything other than the 600s haha, then when I go to upgrade in a few years time it will be excitement all over again.

I love the supersports, to be honest mainly because of the handling factor. I will have no idea what the 600 is like after the 250 until the 11th of Feb :) But I am sure that when I jump on that 600 I will probably be well impressed.
The CBR I have now is a 92, so thats 16 years old. Would the GSXR600 handle better than the 250? With 16 years worth of tech lol.
I really appreciate all the replies here all ;)

Cheers

Vapor

[Zoolander]

Would the GSXR600 handle better than the 250?

Yes. Despite what many may think about their 250/400 sportsbikes, they will not outhandle a modern 600. Period.

[Maki]

Yes. Despite what many may think about their 250/400 sportsbikes, they will not outhandle a modern 600. Period.

Of course. How could a 250 possibly handle better than a "modern 600"... A 600 costs more $ so it MUST handle better, right?

"I purchased this bike back in Late Sept. as it was the first one available in Ohio (heh, they had it for a demo but I refused to leave the store without it) My reason behind purchasing this bike is because my 05 GSX-R 600 was stolen and this was the only bike they had that was black as I hate bright flashy colors I had to have black. At first site I thought it was a 600 but was shocked to find out it was actually the new 250 ninja. I didn't get to ride it too long as Ohios' weather really didn't permit me to with the rain, freezing cold, and snow. But I was about to put 1200 miles on it. This is what I was about you find out about it in that time. I'm 5'11" 192 pound yet the torque and power amazingly pulled my @$$ around with absolutely no problems. It is a very intelligently built bike as the weight distribution (and I feel bad for saying it) was MUCH better than my 600 GSX-R I thought it was going to be awkward going from a bigger bike to this one but it was quiet the opposite. The brake fade at the track was very minimal, throwing it around in the corners was a breeze. I'm not too fond of the clutch but thats something I will work on throttle response is excellent, the power and torque will make you think this is a bigger bike than a 250. Open road (highway) riding is a little rougher than I am use to but the suspension isn't broke in yet either. As far as the look goes (and this is my opinion) a rear fender eliminator kit and undertail section is about all this bike needs. I'd like to get rid of the mirrors and slap some LED turn signals in there but for a new rider I wouldn't recomend doing that. All in all if your a new rider and looking for a great starter bike this is the ride you not only need but will want! This little bike has changed my perspective about my old GSX-R 600 and I've taken more pre-cautions in making sure this one doesn't get stolen. I can't wait for warm weather so I can get myself more fimiliar with this little machine until then when I go into the garage I try to find something to do to try to make it better until then and always come up with the same conclusion............. The setup on this bike is absolutely awesome! Way to go Kawasaki, You've earned a new fan of Kawasaki Motorsports."

http://cycleposers.com/index.php?opt...=170&Itemid=44

[skelstar]

For road riding, torque is king.
Good grief! ... theres a few GSXR600 riders down here that would disagree with that. Vapor, get the GSXR600 if you want it... forget this torque business for now. Matt is right: you won't notice the deficit going from 250-GSXR600 and by the time you would be able to employ the torque you would have learned to ride the 600 in its proper rev range... esp if you are going to progress sensibly eh. Aren't you?

You also have to be aware of what drums people are beating. The Hinckley drums can be quite loud sometimes :)

Also consider that (I reckon) people rarely get the 'First Big Bike' thing right first time. I got the Hornet 900 as my FBB and it was damn good for the time that I had it (1.5yrs), but to be honest I ended up riding it outside of its designed intention (I could be wrong but the current bike fits much better). So what I'm saying is that the 600 would be mint, any FBB is going to be mint. In a couple of years you'll change your mind/brief.

TBH, I think the FBB should be an old one, something that you're not going to loose lots of money on, and something that you can sort out what you want, then get something later that devalues like a bastard.

My 2c

[Maki]

I'll take something that devalues like a bastard please.

[Devil]

Good grief! ... theres a few GSXR600 riders down here that would disagree with that.
Do they ride it like they're on the road though? :shutup:

Ok, I have wet dreams about Hinkley, but why dont you try an SV650, or Hornet, or ER6 to find out what a usefull engine is like so you have a clear comparison.

[skelstar]

...but why dont you try an SV650, or Hornet, or ER6 to find out what a usefull engine is like so you have a clear comparison.
You're right, but while really the RSV is a harder bike to ride than my old Hornet that doesn't count for much when I'm in the twisty stuff or when I'm just commuting. Sometimes its more than just how practical the bike is eh.

[delusionz]

Do they ride it like they're on the road though? :shutup:

Ok, I have wet dreams about Hinkley, but why dont you try an SV650, or Hornet, or ER6 to find out what a usefull engine is like so you have a clear comparison.

The beauty of manual transmissions (especially 6 close ratios) is that theres always a gear thats just right for you. Whether your power comes on at 4krpm or 14krpm just keep it in the range that you want to ride...

[Zoolander]

Of course. How could a 250 possibly handle better than a "modern 600"... A 600 costs more $ so it MUST handle better, right?

Nothing to do with cost. Its because the latest 600's are a world apart from older 250/400cc sportsbikes. They have benefitted from huge advancements in technology - think reduced engine inertia, mass centralisation, better brakes/suspension, controlled flex, smoother power..... I could go on but i'm starting to sound like a sales brochure.

One thing I did neglet to mention is I was referring to 4-strokes - an Aprilia RS250 is also a fantastic handling bike.

Wouldn't take anything I read in that American forum quote seriously - the guy even said he was riding in freezing cold rain and snow! How can he possibly evaluate handling properly in those conditions?

[jcupit69]

Nothing to do with cost. Its because the latest 600's are a world apart from older 250/400cc sportsbikes. They have benefitted from huge advancements in technology - think reduced engine inertia, mass centralisation, better brakes/suspension, controlled flex, smoother power..... I could go on but i'm starting to sound like a sales brochure.

One thing I did neglet to mention is I was referring to 4-strokes - an Aprilia RS250 is also a fantastic handling bike.



True that my friend. Well done for highlighting the rs from the 250s, its a totally different kinda bike. I was about to red bling you for not picking up that the rs is still one of the best handeling bikes ever...but you did so green bling 4 u!!!!

There are few bikes that handle as well as the rs250, read reports and had people ride mine from bigger sports bikes and theyv all been very impressed with how it goes in the twistys. The lack of weight, the perfectly balanced chassy, the adjustable suspension and the big brembos all make one of the best handeling bikes ever made....

Shame those bastard tree hugger hippies killed them off though :angry2: