Righteous Right Laners

[paturoa]

I went for a cruise to Mercer today and feck me, what a frustrating trip. No fun at all.

The whole way there and home was spoilt by aholes driving in the fast (right) lane at 95ks. I'd cruise up behind them, and they just sit there. Even with multiple opportunities to pull into the left lanes.

I also noted that they were often travelling at the same speed as the left lanes?

I could see them looking in their mirrors, so I knew they knew I was there.

Flashing my headlights made no difference at all.

The up shot was having to do the, swing left, pass and swing right again in front of them.

2 Question for those of you who have got their licenses recently.

1) Was there any courtesy sections in the training or tests?
2) What is the law for this?

All up probably only about 5 let me past, so I gave them a wave.

[sAsLEX]

Yeah just got back from the UK, you drove in the right only if you were speeding, or else you were likely to get rammed off the road!

In Europe the speed differentials can be upwards of 100kmhr so you have to be very careful before pulling in to the inside lane!


But over here it is your god given right to drive where you feel like at a speed designed to piss people off, and its best if you drive at the same speed as the person in the next lane to remove all passing opportunities, also don't forget as an Auckland driver you have right of way all the time!

[McJim]

It's not about courtesy. The right hand lanes are for overtaking. Drivers shouldn't be in them unless they are actually in the act of overtaking.

[Virago]

Extract from the Road Code:


Keeping left on a laned road
Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.
The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

you want to pass another vehicle
you want to turn right
the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked.

[paturoa]

It's not about courtesy.

You got that in one!

[paturoa]

Extract from the Road Code:

Is that like one of those "recommended" things or a ticket offence?

[madandy]

Remember the old signs that said "keep left unless passing"?
I wish the'd put a few back up!

[sAsLEX]

Remember the old signs that said "keep left unless passing"?
I wish the'd put a few back up!

They are before every passing lane still. But not Motorways.

[Hitcher]

Death to the Evel Fuckers!

[roogazza]

I too, wonder what is taught nowdays ? I just blow by, on the inside . G.

[Motu]

95KPH? Accounting for speedo error they were probably sitting on exactly 100kph on their speedo - any faster and they would be speeding.

How about some patience?

[dave_a]

or accounting for speedo era they could be sitting at around 85 kmh and thats only with ten percent out which the law recognises.

Stop being arrogant its there for passing not for cruising at 95kmh

[Trudes]

GRRRRR, Hutt motorway/road, pisses me off beyond all belief for this!
Was traveling with my sister-inlaw one day and she was sitting in the right hand lane, doing about 95-100, not passing anything, just sitting there, so I hit her up about it when a car came and sat up behind us and then passed us on the left. Her reasoning was some crap about her doing the speed limit so she's not going to make it easy for anyone who wants to travel 5 kms faster than her to pass..... ummm, yes, well!!!:Pokey:

[Clivoris]

Grrr.:crazy: Don't get me started on that kind of behaviour on the Rimutaka road passing lanes.

[Virago]

...Her reasoning was some crap about her doing the speed limit so she's not going to make it easy for anyone who wants to travel 5 kms faster than her to pass...

Bingo. Therein lies the problem.

Self-appointed road sheriffs - the country is full of them.

[mstriumph]

......................... some crap about her doing the speed limit so she's not going to make it easy for anyone who wants to travel 5 kms faster than her to pass..... ummm, yes, well!!!:Pokey:

worry not
there's a special section of hell reserved for self-righteous, arrogant twits

- oops - sorry - your relly - no offence intended :shutup:

[Trudes]

worry not
there's a special section of hell reserved for self-righteous, arrogant twits

- oops - sorry - your relly - no offence intended :shutup:

hehe, none taken what-so-ever, I verbalised my displeasure (especially as she was driving my car at the time) and she gave me some more self-righteous shit, so hey, she can live with the abuse given to her by pissed off motorists who "can't drive as well as me anyway". lol

[Timber020]

Its one of my pet peeves, I seem to always get stuck behind people who dont get the "left lane unless passing" law. The sooner I get my mulitple missile launcher mounted to my bike, become world presidante, build my own army of ninja robots, get rid of celine dion, put all the french and fashion designers on the same sinking island, ban reality TV, bring back buck, get helen clark the sex change thats needed, give NZ an airforce that will black out the sun and rule the universe while creating a new ozone layer, bring in capital punishment for mimes, make eating possums compulsory for those who want the dole, mulch the lawyers, put an autobahn from bluff to cape, make all car drivers ride scooters for a year, make cats and dogs get along, ban fluffy toilet seat covers, remake the 65 mustang, clone steve mcqueen, make iceblocks 5 cents......aw crap its to much work, what was I saying again?

[sinned]

Anyone can lodge a complaint about a driver on the Police website, you need to get the rego and some details though. I believe they let the driver know of the complaint. http://police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

[yungatart]

or accounting for speedo era they could be sitting at around 85 kmh and thats only with ten percent out which the law recognises.
Stop being arrogant its there for passing not for cruising at 95kmh

Huh? Since when?
It is your duty to have your vehicle up to standard and a speedo reading 10% out is not going to prevent you getting a ticket. You will just be told that you should get your speedo recalibrated...at your expense, of course.
Right, back on topic now...

[Pixie]

1) Was there any courtesy sections in the training or tests?
2) What is the law for this?

All up probably only about 5 let me past, so I gave them a wave.

It's what it's always been - "you must keep as far to the left as possible"

But don't expect it to ever be enforced

[titirangi]

another vote for patience here. whenever i come up to slower drivers in the right, waiting for 60-90secs normally sees a safe gap open up. its just a few extra minutes, no big deal. dont let them wind you up - they are likely just jealous.

[Pixie]

GRRRRR, Hutt motorway/road, pisses me off beyond all belief for this!
Was traveling with my sister-inlaw one day and she was sitting in the right hand lane, doing about 95-100, not passing anything, just sitting there, so I hit her up about it when a car came and sat up behind us and then passed us on the left. Her reasoning was some crap about her doing the speed limit so she's not going to make it easy for anyone who wants to travel 5 kms faster than her to pass..... ummm, yes, well!!!:Pokey:

Did you call her a FAAHN CAAAHN

[Trudes]

Did you call her a FAAHN CAAAHN

No, but I might next time.... if I knew what it was... plz enlighten me.

[McJim]

hehe, none taken what-so-ever, I verbalised my displeasure (especially as she was driving my car at the time) and she gave me some more self-righteous shit, so hey, she can live with the abuse given to her by pissed off motorists who "can't drive as well as me anyway". lol

You should self-righteously point out that her road use is illegal and that you will quite happily *555 her from inside the car next time she gives you a lift and breaks the law.

[Swoop]

Why do kiwi drivers have to enter the motorway and go straight across to the right hand lane?

"Get a gun and shoot the fucks" is appropriate I believe.

[Hitcher]

Left lane except passing
Driving with parking lights on
Racks of treadlies tied on with a rubber band completely obscuring indicators, stoplights and rego plate
Failing to indicate
Indicating and simultaneously moving into the right-hand lane...

The Bloody Gummint isn't prepared to enforce these and similar laws, yet now wants to ban cellphones and radar detectors? Hello?

[McJim]

The Bloody Gummint isn't prepared to enforce these and similar laws, yet now wants to ban cellphones and radar detectors? Hello?
You won't be able to say "Hello?" if they ban mobile phones bro.

[Trouser]

Huh? Since when?
It is your duty to have your vehicle up to standard and a speedo reading 10% out is not going to prevent you getting a ticket. You will just be told that you should get your speedo recalibrated...at your expense, of course.
Right, back on topic now...

Keeping the OT ball rolling.

The Toyota yaris speedo says 100 but you are actually only doing 92. Grrrr it farking digital. Why cant Toyota get it right?

[awayatc]

Why do kiwi drivers have to enter the motorway and go straight across to the right hand lane?

"Get a gun and shoot the fucks" is appropriate I believe.


I got the next best thing: A bloody big 2.5 ton landrover with very loud horns. :2guns:And I know it is very childish and immature, but when somebody twaddles on righthand lane and stays there, I indicate to pass , toggle the lights, give aloud blast and start passing.:angry2:....on the right hand side of course..:Oops:
And I swear to god, some physicly jumped out of their seats:clap:

Makes up for all those times when I am to vulnerable to deal with those twurps that endanger others, and should not be allowed to drive anything bigger or faster then a shopping trolley....;)

[P38]

I went for a cruise to Mercer today and feck me, what a frustrating trip. No fun at all.

The whole way there and home was spoilt by aholes driving in the fast (right) lane at 95ks. I'd cruise up behind them, and they just sit there. Even with multiple opportunities to pull into the left lanes.

I also noted that they were often travelling at the same speed as the left lanes?

I could see them looking in their mirrors, so I knew they knew I was there.

Flashing my headlights made no difference at all.

The up shot was having to do the, swing left, pass and swing right again in front of them.

2 Question for those of you who have got their licenses recently.

1) Was there any courtesy sections in the training or tests?
2) What is the law for this?

All up probably only about 5 let me past, so I gave them a wave.

Fast lanes are a figment of many motorists imagination.

Open road speed limit is 100kms no matter what lane your using.

End of story.

Road code does say on a multilane road you should keep to the left hand lane as much as possible unless passing or unless the lefthand lane is full or unless your turning right.

95kms aint a bad speed to travel at, just blow on by if you wanna go faster.

Trouble is lots of people mistakenly think the righthand lane can routinely be used for speeding when plainly this is not the case.

Iv'e been on that bloody southern Auckland motorway doing 100kms in the left hand lane and had the lights flash and the finger waved.

It seems to be the Auckland way.

[sAsLEX]

Fast lanes are a figment of many motorists imagination.
.

Nup. I have seen them in the UK, there a 100MPH is the fast lane speed in places with a 70MPH limit......


But in NZ most people on the MW dont even travel at 100, so if you want to go slower stay out of the "100" lane we shall call it.

[jafar]

I went for a cruise to Mercer today and feck me, what a frustrating trip. No fun at all.

The whole way there and home was spoilt by aholes driving in the fast (right) lane at 95ks. I'd cruise up behind them, and they just sit there. Even with multiple opportunities to pull into the left lanes.

I also noted that they were often travelling at the same speed as the left lanes?

I could see them looking in their mirrors, so I knew they knew I was there.

Flashing my headlights made no difference at all.

The up shot was having to do the, swing left, pass and swing right again in front of them.

2 Question for those of you who have got their licenses recently.

1) Was there any courtesy sections in the training or tests?
2) What is the law for this?

All up probably only about 5 let me past, so I gave them a wave.

I guess the high speed lane splitting I have witnessed recently because of this kind of tosser isn't legal then huh :doh:

[AllanB]

Just do what the Harley guys in Christchurch do - fat down the middle between both cars (irrespective of the speed they are doing) open drag pipes roaring. I've seen this many a time recently over Christmas.

People tend to move back into the left lane after this :banana:

[Swoop]

Makes up for all those times when I am to vulnerable to deal with those twurps that endanger others, and should not be allowed to drive anything bigger or faster then a shopping trolley....;)
I believe most driving skills are learnt in a supermarket, whilst pushing a trolley. This theory goes some way to explain the kiwi driver. It is, however, lacking on the area where fuckers stop and leave their trolley in the middle of the aisle though... More results as they come to hand.
It is all about simple courtesy on the road...

Speaking of which!
My next cage is going to be a snowplow with the big, pointy, "cowcatcher" plow on the front.
Bastards won't know what hit them from behind!

Industrial sized "Gene-O-Cleen"!!:cool:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Apropos of this, I went for a pootle today up to hilltop and back, left here about 4pm.

Most unsatisfactory, far too much traffic.

the best was coming back, there was a Previa/Lucida van with a bunch of people in it, doing 65kph when the limit was 100, and braking if the advisory sign said 65, 0r 55. there were 26 cars/other vehicles behind this.

about 10 minutes up the road there was ANOTHER one!!!!

18 cars behind that one. I presume some tourist or other loopy out doing the "scenic Christchurch" tour. Un believable.

Bet they wondered why when I went past them I smacked their mirror with my hand. I dont usually indulge in behaviour like that but....

and yet because I exceeded 100kph when passing, I'm dangerous? Yup, I can see that, totally.

[MotoGirl]

... she was sitting in the right hand lane, doing about 95-100, not passing anything, just sitting there,
I understand her rationale but it's only going to encourage those "fast" people to pass somewhere where it isn't safe. I'm a firm believer that slow drivers contribute to a lot of accidents because their ignorance and lack of consideration infuriates other drivers so much that they in places they normally wouldn't.



I also noted that they were often travelling at the same speed as the left lanes?

I wish they would get out of the bloody way, but they never do. I personally find it more frustrating in town than I do on the open road.

I regularly travel down Cameron Road (Tauranga), and as you're no doubt aware, this place is full of old codgers in their motorised shopping carts.

It's absolutely frustrating to sit behind some old geezer who's only doing 40kph when the posted speed limit is 50. Of course the car in the other lane is only doing 38kph so overtaking takes about 50 light years. It'd be nice to overtake eventually except Cameron Road has either a roundabout or set of lights every four (ish) blocks. Typically, you get stopped at these every time you can almost go around the slug in front of you :mad:

And we wonder why bikers tend to between these cars :rofl:

[mxracer_nz]

Just do what the Harley guys in Christchurch do - fat down the middle between both cars (irrespective of the speed they are doing) open drag pipes roaring. I've seen this many a time recently over Christmas.

People tend to move back into the left lane after this :banana:

i do that yet iam on no harley shitson. theres nothing unsafe about it when both cars are doing the same speed

[jrandom]

What is it with people who consider cars in passing lanes to be obstacles for a motorcycle?

:confused:

Seriously, what's up with this thread? Are yous fullas suffering from amnesia in relation to the fact that motorcycles are shitloads narrower than cars and don't need so much road room to go around other vehicles? Certainly not a whole passing lane, anyway. That's just extravagant.

You want to go past, you point and twist. There's always room.

[EnzoYug]

You want to go past, you point and twist. There's always room.

I love your style.

[Trudes]

What is it with people who consider cars in passing lanes to be obstacles for a motorcycle?

:confused:

Seriously, what's up with this thread? Are yous fullas suffering from amnesia in relation to the fact that motorcycles are shitloads narrower than cars and don't need so much road room to go around other vehicles? Certainly not a whole passing lane, anyway. That's just extravagant.

You want to go past, you point and twist. There's always room.

For sure, providing you are on a bike at the time, some of us do have to drive cars occasionally, as much as I'd love to be able to fit a Mazda between two slow moving cars, I really don't know if I should.

[MisterD]

Yeah just got back from the UK, you drove in the right only if you were speeding, or else you were likely to get rammed off the road!!

Yeah but the m-ways are a stream of cages in the outside lane doing 80-90mph, then a bunch of old men wearing hats in the middle lane doing spot on 70 that it will take an RPG to shift and finally trucks in the inside limited to 60ish mph....then it all fucks up at the first slight hill when truck "A" doing 62mph decides to overtake truck "B" doing 59 and Mr Toyota Corolla (he had to replace his Austin Princess) moves into the outside lane :doh:

[Trudes]

Yeah but the m-ways are a stream of cages in the outside lane doing 80-90mph, then a bunch of old men wearing hats in the middle lane doing spot on 70 that it will take an RPG to shift and finally trucks in the inside limited to 60ish mph....then it all fucks up at the first slight hill when truck "A" doing 62mph decides to overtake truck "B" doing 59 and Mr Toyota Corolla (he had to replace his Austin Princess) moves into the outside lane :doh:

That sounds just like the Ngauranga Gorge at any time of the day.
I worked with a chick from Wales and she reakoned that that gorge was worse to drive up than any road in the UK.:laugh:

[MisterD]

Self-appointed road sheriffs - the country is full of them.

Believe it or not, there was actually a suggestion in the UK that pensioners with time on their hands be employed to drive around at or below the speed limit to slow everyone else down...:weird:

[MisterD]

That sounds just like the Ngauranga Gorge at any time of the day.
I worked with a chick from Wales and she reakoned that that gorge was worse to drive up than any road in the UK.:laugh:

Depends when you drive...mid week motorways in the UK are probably quite intimidating to the newbie but they are infact chock full of high milage truckies and reps who now exactly what they, and everyone else is doing (even if it is simulateously driving, eating, map reading and talking on the phone).

It all goes to hell on the weekend when the amateurs get out there...can you tell I'm a rep?

[sprag]

Ha
I am one of the evil cagers that sit in the right hand lane on the motorway doing between 100 - 110k's and I will not move over to the left, half the time as if i did I would be just moving back and forward all the bloody time because of others doing 90k's
I also live on the north shore and go out south auckland alot so its easier just to stay in the right hand lane, and the speed limit is 100, if you going faster than me at 110 then you can bloody wait.

If i get someone that is sitting on my butt in a car, I have no problem slamming on my breaks to get you to back off, if that does not work i will then find a car to the left of me doing 90 and I will slow down to 90.

If you want to drive/ride up the motorway at 110+ then do it in the middle of the night when there is no one else around.

Oh this is for cars however i tend to move to let bikes pass lol

[magicfairy]

You should self-righteously point out that her road use is illegal and that you will quite happily *555 her from inside the car next time she gives you a lift and breaks the law.

Better still photocopy the appropriate page from the road code, give it it to her in public at the next family gathering with relevant section higlighted, and ask her to explain why she is exempt from law.
Is she bigger than you?

[Pixie]

Ha
I am one of the evil cagers that sit in the right hand lane on the motorway doing between 100 - 110k's and I will not move over to the left, half the time as if i did I would be just moving back and forward all the bloody time because of others doing 90k's
I also live on the north shore and go out south auckland alot so its easier just to stay in the right hand lane, and the speed limit is 100, if you going faster than me at 110 then you can bloody wait.

If i get someone that is sitting on my butt in a car, I have no problem slamming on my breaks to get you to back off, if that does not work i will then find a car to the left of me doing 90 and I will slow down to 90.

If you want to drive/ride up the motorway at 110+ then do it in the middle of the night when there is no one else around.

Oh this is for cars however i tend to move to let bikes pass lol
So you're an arrogant cunt then?
You won't be upset if I happen to encounter you and my bike "seem to flick a rock up off the road way" as I pass.
This seems to happen quite often.

[sprag]

So you're an arrogant cunt then?
You won't be upset if I happen to encounter you and my bike "seem to flick a rock up off the road way" as I pass.
This seems to happen quite often.

Did you read my last line of my post, I do it to cars i tend to let bikes go past, infact i also make room for them during peek hour traffic as well, its people in cars that i do it too.

[yungatart]

Did you read my last line of my post, I do it to cars i tend to let bikes go past, infact i also make room for them during peek hour traffic as well, its people in cars that i do it too.


What happened to common courtesy for all road users?

How do you know that the cage you are so self righteously holding up isn't in fact driven by a motorcyclist?
Motorcyclists are not any better/worse than other road users, have no more/less entitlement to courtesy than other road users.

You, Sir, are a tosser of the first order!

And a prime example of the arrogance to which the OP is referring. Twat!

[crazybigal]

just get in front of the fuckers and slow them down to 85k then they start to understand the rules!

[Clockwork]

Ha
I am one of the evil cagers that sit in the right hand lane on the motorway doing between 100 - 110k's and I will not move over to the left, half the time as if i did I would be just moving back and forward all the bloody time because of others doing 90k's
I also live on the north shore and go out south auckland alot so its easier just to stay in the right hand lane, and the speed limit is 100, if you going faster than me at 110 then you can bloody wait.

If i get someone that is sitting on my butt in a car, I have no problem slamming on my breaks to get you to back off, if that does not work i will then find a car to the left of me doing 90 and I will slow down to 90.

If you want to drive/ride up the motorway at 110+ then do it in the middle of the night when there is no one else around.

Oh this is for cars however i tend to move to let bikes pass lol

First impression was to get angry with this poster but that won't help him see the error of his ways.

PLEASE... just let people past regargless of whether they are driving or riding. To quote Billy Connelly "If I pass you, please don't take it personally". Changing lanes really isn't that inconvenient and will probably only improve your overall road observation skills (it gives you somthing to do which in turn helps to prevent daydreaming)

If enough of us do it it may start to catch on!

[dave_a]

Huh? Since when?
It is your duty to have your vehicle up to standard and a speedo reading 10% out is not going to prevent you getting a ticket. You will just be told that you should get your speedo recalibrated...at your expense, of course.
Right, back on topic now...

go back to school little girl

Law accounts for ten percent at whatever speed you are going,so in a 50km zone you have 5 kmh tolerance

100 you have 10 kmh

It used to be 10 kmh but now works on percent

[yungatart]

go back to school little girl

Law accounts for ten percent at whatever speed you are going,so in a 50km zone you have 5 kmh tolerance

100 you have 10 kmh

It used to be 10 kmh but now works on percent

That does still NOT excuse your speedo being out by 10%.
Try using that as a defence when the rozza gets you....."My speedo isn't accurate, Sir."
See how you get on then, little boy!

[Her_C4]

For sure, providing you are on a bike at the time, some of us do have to drive cars occasionally, as much as I'd love to be able to fit a Mazda between two slow moving cars, I really don't know if I should.

Hmmmmm can you let me know when you give it a go? I would like to watch... :devil2:

I have actually been in a signwritten Holden Ute when the driver suffered a bit of road rage at the Haywards lights (heading Sth), after initally overtaking a vehicle that had been plodding along in the outside lane, the driver obviously took umbrage at being passed and retaliated by overtaking us again and slowing right down level with the motorised shopping cart in the left lane (about 85k in a signed 100k area).

After a couple of k's of being dicked around, and coming upon the lights at Haywards that had just flicked green, 'my' driver then lane split between the two vehicles .... :spanking:

Generated some interesting discussion if nothing else..... :jerry:

[NC]

Just go around them:whistle:

[rudolph]

They tend to move over when your bike is as loud as sin

[sprag]

You, Sir, are a tosser of the first order!

And a prime example of the arrogance to which the OP is referring. Twat!

So when someone says something you dont agree with you start to call them names, seems like someone has a little growing up to do.

[sprag]

What happened to common courtesy for all road users?

How do you know that the cage you are so self righteously holding up isn't in fact driven by a motorcyclist?
Motorcyclists are not any better/worse than other road users, have no more/less entitlement to courtesy than other road users.

You, Sir, are a tosser of the first order!

And a prime example of the arrogance to which the OP is referring. Twat!

And how can i be holding anyone up when i am going between 100 and 110 when the posted limited is 100k's an hour, it people want to travel at over 110 k's then they should be doing it on a race track and not on a road/motorway. There is no such thing as a fast lane on the motorway in new zealand.

[yungatart]

And how can i be holding anyone up when i am going between 100 and 110 when the posted limited is 100k's an hour, it people want to travel at over 110 k's then they should be doing it on a race track and not on a road/motorway. There is no such thing as a fast lane on the motorway in new zealand.

The speed limit is 100. If you think it is okay for you to exceed it by travelling at up to 110, why should it be so wrong for someone else to exceed it by another 5 kph?
I'm sure their driving skills would be the equal of yours.

[Donor]

The speed limit is 100. If you think it is okay for you to exceed it by travelling at up to 110, why should it be so wrong for someone else to exceed it by another 5 kph?
I'm sure their driving skills would be the equal of yours.

lim·it
n.
1. The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.
2. limits The boundary surrounding a specific area; bounds: within the city limits.
3. A confining or restricting object, agent, or influence.
4. The greatest or least amount, number, or extent allowed or possible: a withdrawal limit of $200; no minimum age limit.

Gives new meaning to the saying HURRY UP AND SLOW DOWN!

Now, let's all take a breath...

[MSTRS]

And how can i be holding anyone up when i am going between 100 and 110 when the posted limited is 100k's an hour, it people want to travel at over 110 k's then they should be doing it on a race track and not on a road/motorway. There is no such thing as a fast lane on the motorway in new zealand.

Actually, where is it written that you have the right to decide what speed others can travel at?
I will concede that in some cases, you might have a civic duty to prevent or hinder what might otherwise be a dangerous act on the road, but in general, it is the individual driver who decides what speed they travel at, not you. If they get pinged, whose fault is it? Yours for 'letting' them?

And DAVE_A - it is 10kph tolerance AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COP. Not 10%. You are thinking of the recent lowering of the tolerance in school zones. The accuracy or otherwise of your speedo is your problem.

[Harry33]

Wow this is a interesting thread, yeah it sure in a pain in the ass when people don't do the posted speeds. My personal hate is when people do 35k and 40k's in a fifty zone. Oh and at the other end of the spectrum is when people are passing me when I'm doing 100-110 (yip I know it's breaking the speed limits) like I'm standing still. I think we should face facts 120-140 is more likely the speed people are doing in the right hand lanes on the motorways. Well it seems that way in Auckland. I personally have no probelms with the faster speeds especally with modern cars,bikes etc The only thing that ticks me off is when people tailgate and cut in and out of traffic.

Anyway we all know you speed and get caught you pay the fines. Nothing new here really.

[YellowDog]

Right lane hangers are really annoying. The road code says that they should be in the leftest free lane and the third lane is for overtking manouvers.

May be you should have thrown a copy at him after you got past.

[caseye]

Yep they're a worry, mostly the new rich in thier sports RV's and do you think they're going to move over for a little ole bike, Nope! Mobile chicanes they are, treat em like that and they get all offended. I pass em safely and in a controlled manner, then once in front of them in the same lane I slow down till they flash their lights, then I wave appreciatively, you know One finger raised and leave.
A similar treatment for those other wonders of the road the Blind as a bat didn't see your main headlight on full beam at 30 metres, just as I was pulling out in front of you!

[Iain]

I guess the right hand lane on motorways is for passing but the speed limit is 100kmph regardless of whether you need to pass someone doing 95k. Passing someone doing 100k is breaking the law... But I agree with a previous poster; if you are travelling the same speed as the left lane you should find a comfortable position in that lane to continue at that speed.

Having the attitude "she's not going to make it easy for anyone who wants to travel 5 kms faster than her to pass..." is dangerous. Traffic should flow, and to decide that you will make it more difficult for someone to continue on their way (regardless of whether they choose to speed or not) will cause some impatient arsehole to pull some dodgy shit and put someone else in danger.

Especially at this time of year with families and learners and bikers on the road. The last thing we need is some erratic bastard swerving lanes to make a point to the driver they just passed and at the same time NOT seeing the biker happily cruising in another lane.

[Ixion]

Ha
I am one of the evil cagers ..

It shows. However, this is a forum for bikers. Which you ain't.

[Donor]

It shows. However, this is a forum for bikers. Which you ain't.

I have to ask...

How do you reach the conclusion he is not a biker?

[Str8 Jacket]

Did you read my last line of my post, I do it to cars i tend to let bikes go past, infact i also make room for them during peek hour traffic as well, its people in cars that i do it too.

I still think that you are a dick!

[MotoGirl]

...to continue on their way (regardless of whether they choose to speed or not) will cause some impatient arsehole to pull some dodgy shit and put someone else in danger.

This is precisely what I was thinking. Letting bikes go past while you block cars is just irresponsible.

Bikes (often) have better acceleration, need less room to pass, and aren't restricted to passing you on a passing lane. Bikes can pass you regardless of whether you try stopping them.

Cars, however, are going to find it a LOT more difficult to pass once the road returns to a single lane. And like you say Iain, this is is just going to cause the car drivers to overtake somewhere inappropriate and put everyone's life in danger. I thought everyone knows it's safer to let them go? Some people's ignorance just astounds me!

[Ixion]

I have to ask...

How do you reach the conclusion he is not a biker?
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cos he says he's a cager.

[ElCoyote]

Did you read my last line of my post, I do it to cars i tend to let bikes go past, infact i also make room for them during peek hour traffic as well, its people in cars that i do it too.

Pixie got it right:
Originally Posted by Virago
Self-appointed road sheriffs - the country is full of them.

I suspect you applied for the Police force and failed their psychological profile. You then would have applied for the Fire Service and ditto. The last option to actually wear a hat would be Trans Rail, but they too are selective.

Anything that stifles traffic flow, creates major issues further down the road. Next time you pass a nose to tail on the motorway and rubberneck, just remember that it would have been a cunt like you that caused it.:argh:

[sprag]

cos he says he's a cager.

Ah yes but aint we all cagers if we drive in a car, and if you looked at that little bike area under ones profile (or on every post) you will also see that i have a bike as well.

[Donor]

cos he says he's a cager.

And he also owns a motorcycle, and has in fact been riding longer than me.

I too operate a cage - does this mean I should have my class 6 removed?

Not looking to argue with you Ix, it's just always fascinated me how 'pure' bikers look upon those who also utilise those filthy and dangerous 4 wheel conveyances as well...

[Donor]

Anything that stifles traffic flow, creates major issues further down the road. Next time you pass a nose to tail on the motorway and rubberneck, just remember that it would have been a cunt like you that caused it.:argh:

So all accidents on the motorway are caused by cage pilots who travel AT the speed limit (which Sprag has stated himself to be one of?)

[sprag]

Pixie got it right:
Originally Posted by Virago
Self-appointed road sheriffs - the country is full of them.

I suspect you applied for the Police force and failed their psychological profile. You then would have applied for the Fire Service and ditto. The last option to actually wear a hat would be Trans Rail, but they too are selective.



Oh dam you found me out *rolls eyes* yep ended up being a Stock Controller :Oops:

[Swoop]

Put a steering wheel in front of some people and you can see their mentality change.

"Fuck everyone else - I own the road".

People need to think about others occasionally.

[yungatart]

Someone may ride a bike, but it takes the right attitude to be a biker.

Sprag displays entirely the opposite sort of attitude, ergo, a cager.

If I had my way people would have to pass a psychological test before they could go for a licence of any class.

It would surely weed out those with "killer attitudes" who do precisely the sort of shit Sprag brags about.

[Donor]

Put a steering wheel in front of some people and you can see their mentality change.

"Fuck everyone else - I own the road".

People need to think about others occasionally.

Agreed - and it works the same with with 2 wheels... I know this as I am battling a few new found demons at the moment...

[Donor]

Someone may ride a bike, but it takes the right attitude to be a biker.

Sprag displays entirely the opposite sort of attitude, ergo, a cager.

If I had my way people would have to pass a psychological test before they could go for a licence of any class.

It would surely weed out those with "killer attitudes" who do precisely the sort of shit Sprag brags about.

If we profiled people to gauge suitability for 2 wheels or 4, this forum would be several thousand people talking about bikes, and never getting on them.

Nobody's perfect, and my ideals and interpretations about how the road should be ridden/driven will never gel with those of any given number of people.

The beautiful thing about KB, the dominant personalities certainly keep the temperature in the threads up.

Suggest beer.

[ElCoyote]

So all accidents on the motorway are caused by cage pilots who travel AT the speed limit (which Sprag has stated himself to be one of?)

Read it again buddy, It is people that OBSTRUCT the outside lane that provoke actions that cause collisions. The self appointed speed limiter travels blissfully on unaware of the carnage he/she has left in their wake. The vast majority of motorway traffic is cages and the VAST MAJORITY of collisions are caused by inappropriate lane changing and a knee jerk reaction from nearby traffic. Speed preventers in the outside lane are a menace and are breaking the law by "Failing to keep as near left as practicable" "Keep left unless overtaking" is not applicable on motorways but the former is.:Police:

[Donor]

Read it again buddy, It is people that OBSTRUCT the outside lane that provoke actions that cause collisions. The self appointed speed limiter travels blissfully on unaware of the carnage he/she has left in their wake. The vast majority of motorway traffic is cages and the VAST MAJORITY of collisions are caused by inappropriate lane changing and a knee jerk reaction from nearby traffic. Speed preventers in the outside lane are a menace and are breaking the law by "Failing to keep as near left as practicable" "Keep left unless overtaking" is not applicable on motorways but the former is.:Police:

Yeah yeah, I'm not looking to argue, I merely want to look at this from many angles.

So how about if I in my cage 'o joy am in lane 3 of the motorway AT 100km/h - now, as I am travelling AT the speed limit, am I obliged to move over to accomodate a bike/cage that wishes to EXCEED the speed limit?

I should state now (better late than never) that I firmly believe those who insist on parking their arses in the fast lane at 90ish should be given to Ixion for testin the latest batch of gene-o-kleen!

...or burned, damn them!

[ElCoyote]

Oh dam you found me out *rolls eyes* yep ended up being a Stock Controller :Oops:

Go back to your masturbating even though there is no scientific evidence to prove it makes a small cock into a larger one but if you don't try you will always be a teeny weeny who lives in the outside lane and has problems with reality. FUCK OFF DICK WAD

[sprag]

Read it again buddy, It is people that OBSTRUCT the outside lane that provoke actions that cause collisions. The self appointed speed limiter travels blissfully on unaware of the carnage he/she has left in their wake. The vast majority of motorway traffic is cages and the VAST MAJORITY of collisions are caused by inappropriate lane changing and a knee jerk reaction from nearby traffic. Speed preventers in the outside lane are a menace and are breaking the law by "Failing to keep as near left as practicable" "Keep left unless overtaking" is not applicable on motorways but the former is.:Police:

Oh I see the light, its the people that go at the speed limit that makes other people speed and do really dumb things on the motorway, oh its all clear now.
Someone needs to write a letter to the PM and the head cop to tell them this, and anyone that hits another person should get a "out of jail card" as its the person that stays within the law's fault.
ElCoyote you better get that pen to paper.

[sprag]

Go back to your masturbating even though there is no scientific evidence to prove it makes a small cock into a larger one but if you don't try you will always be a teeny weeny who lives in the outside lane and has problems with reality. FUCK OFF DICK WAD

Good god man how old are you, 15?

[MSTRS]

So how about if I in my cage 'o joy am in lane 3 of the motorway AT 100km/h - now, as I am travelling AT the speed limit, am I obliged to move over to accomodate a bike/cage that wishes to EXCEED the speed limit?



No. But you are supposed to 'keep as far left as practicable'. If the left lane/s have slower traffic that you are passing, then fine, stay in the far right lane. At least until you are clear of them. Otherwise...

[Ixion]

And he also owns a motorcycle, and has in fact been riding longer than me.

I too operate a cage - does this mean I should have my class 6 removed?

Not looking to argue with you Ix, it's just always fascinated me how 'pure' bikers look upon those who also utilise those filthy and dangerous 4 wheel conveyances as well...


Nope. You're a biker. Who sometimes drives a cage. Same as if you caught a bus. Which even bikers may do sometimes. I caught a plane the other day. Didn't make me a pilot. Caught a train a while back, too, didn't make me a trainer.

And a cager who sometimes rides a motorcycle isn't thereby a biker. It's an attitude thing. Like the tarty lady said.

[ElCoyote]

Yeah yeah, I'm not looking to argue, I merely want to look at this from many angles.

So how about if I in my cage 'o joy am in lane 3 of the motorway AT 100km/h - now, as I am travelling AT the speed limit, am I obliged to move over to accomodate a bike/cage that wishes to EXCEED the speed limit?

I should state now (better late than never) that I firmly believe those who insist on parking their arses in the fast lane at 90ish should be given to Ixion for testin the latest batch of gene-o-kleen!

...or burned, damn them!

All cool my man, however I will add this as it is a private message, I have a B4 Legacy and travel on the motorway (wherever possible) at 120-130kph but, I always pull back to the left/middle lane as quickly as possible. This way I am off the radar (no pun intended) of any cops. I am over 60 and have yet to get a ticket. Stay invisible friend.

[Donor]

No. But you are supposed to 'keep as far left as practicable'. If the left lane/s have slower traffic that you are passing, then fine, stay in the far right lane. Otherwise...

Best and most reasoned answer yet.

However, with the constant movement of vehicles to and from the various and often (speaking Auckland here) congested lanes, I would say it could only serve to slow traffic down even more.

[Ixion]

Ah yes but aint we all cagers if we drive in a car, and if you looked at that little bike area under ones profile (or on every post) you will also see that i have a bike as well.

Nope. And so does Mayor Banks. Doesn't make him a biker.

[MSTRS]

What type of motorised traveller you are, is determined by your attitude, not the vehicle you utilise.

[sprag]

Anything that stifles traffic flow, creates major issues further down the road. Next time you pass a nose to tail on the motorway and rubberneck, just remember that it would have been a cunt like you that caused it.:argh:




All cool my man, however I will add this as it is a private message, I have a B4 Legacy and travel on the motorway (wherever possible) at 120-130kph but, I always pull back to the left/middle lane as quickly as possible. This way I am off the radar (no pun intended) of any cops. I am over 60 and have yet to get a ticket. Stay invisible friend.

So now you say you are speeding down the motorway at 120+ and say i am the one that would "create major issues" we all know what has happen over the last few months with "bikers" going way to fast on motorways and streets and those guys are no longer with us.

Yes i am happy to say that i drive in the right hand land "most of the time" because i travel at 100 - 110k's and pass a few cars in the left hand land, most of my travel is during the hours of 9am - 8pm when there is traffic in all lanes of the motorway, I also travel in the right hand land due off and on ramps and the bridge.

Some of you may think it is wrong because you want to zip down the motorway at 120km's plus on your bikes/cars/planes however I think its wrong that you feel you can travel at that speed (which is over the limit) and endanger others.

[sprag]

What type of motorised traveller you are, is determined by your attitude, not the vehicle you utilise.

and if the "attitude" for a biker is to endanger others, break laws that stuff up the "fun" of the ride, only care about how fast i can go to enjoy the ride then I will be very happy to NOT be called a biker/rider

[Virago]

Sprag, who are you to say that you are driving safely and correctly at 110? The others driving at 90kmh in the right lane will disagree. Who is right?

The fact remains, anyone who drives in the right lane and refuses to move left is doing so in breach of the law. Breaking that law, in a misguided attempt to stop others from breaking another law, is unbelievably hypocritical.

As I said, self appointed road sheriffs...

[sprag]

Sprag, who are you to say that you are driving safely and correctly at 110? The others driving at 90kmh in the right lane will disagree. Who is right?

The fact remains, anyone who drives in the right lane and refuses to move left is doing so in breach of the law. Breaking that law, in a misguided attempt to stop others from breaking another law, is unbelievably hypocritical.

As I said, self appointed road sheriffs...

Not to be a w**ker or anything but have you been on aucklands motorway in the last year or so ?
I am on it 6 days a week, during the hours from 9am - 8pm, and like i have said most of the time i am passing cars on the left side of me, or having to take the right because the left lands are off ramps and I am heading for the shore, If i am in the right lane and some 4x4 is sitting on my butt I will hit my breaks (for a split sec) to get them to back off, I am not about to jump lanes so he can take off.

Anyone that travels on the auckland motorway during the times I have said will know that the motorway is busy and all lanes are being used.

[Virago]

Not to be a w**ker or anything but have you been on aucklands motorway in the last year or so ?...

Yep, spent time up there last month, working on the 'shore. With regard to traffic, I was happy to head south again - you have my sincere sympathies...

However, I don't think that busy roads excuse prattish behaviour.

[Clockwork]

Not to be a w**ker or anything but have you been on aucklands motorway in the last year or so ?
I am on it 6 days a week, during the hours from 9am - 8pm, and like i have said most of the time i am passing cars on the left side of me, or having to take the right because the left lands are off ramps and I am heading for the shore, If i am in the right lane and some 4x4 is sitting on my butt I will hit my breaks (for a split sec) to get them to back off, I am not about to jump lanes so he can take off.

Anyone that travels on the auckland motorway during the times I have said will know that the motorway is busy and all lanes are being used.

I'm sure it takes no more effort to move out of someones way than to prat-break infront of them. If the roads are so congested have you considered the effect of breaking like that upon everyone behind you? The guy behind may not rear-end you but theres a good chance you'll fuck-up someones day!

[awayatc]

Ha
I am one of the evil cagers that sit in the right hand lane on the motorway doing between 100 - 110k's and I will not move over to the left,

the speed limit is 100, if you going faster than me at 110 then you can bloody wait.

If i get someone that is sitting on my butt in a car, I have no problem slamming on my breaks to get you to back off, if that does not work i will then find a car to the left of me doing 90 and I will slow down to 90.

If you want to drive/ride up the motorway at 110+ then do it in the middle of the night when there is no one else around.

l

Didn't know wankers like that proudly owned up to it....thought it was complete lack of driving skills and road awareness.....:2guns:
Karma takes care of the likes of him, just in case he is wondering why some many " bad things" are happening to his poor old soul....:bash:
Just hope that when he gets taken care off, he doesn't take people with him that WILL be missed....

Beware of pimpelfaced geek on 250 hyosung..... sometimes he drives his mummies car, thank god I don't live in Auckland....:scooter:

[awayatc]

Not to be a w**ker or anything .

You want to take time off being a w**ker?
but you are so good at it.....:first: So I don't think you can....

Or just "not to be anything" ..? which is indeed the sum total of your score of your sorry personality test.. :yes:

[sprag]

I'm sure it takes no more effort to move out of someones way than to prat-break infront of them. If the roads are so congested have you considered the effect of breaking like that upon everyone behind you? The guy behind may not rear-end you but theres a good chance you'll fuck-up someones day!

And that is why there is the 2 second rule.

[sprag]

You want to take time off being a w**ker?
but you are so good at it.....:first: So I don't think you can....

Or just "not to be anything" ..? which is indeed the sum total of your score of your sorry personality test.. :yes:

And your not even worth my time, so this will be the first and last message to you.

[awayatc]

and if the "attitude" for a biker is to endanger others, break laws that stuff up the "fun" of the ride, only care about how fast i can go to enjoy the ride then I will be very happy to NOT be called a biker/rider

So please don't, and get of this site...Just because your 250 Hyosung can't do over a 100km's, doesn't mean we are not allowed to.
Which planet your from?
Go and annoy people online, ...Stay of the road!!!!!!!:Oi:

[sprag]

So please don't, and get of this site...Just because your 250 Hyosung can't do over a 100km's, doesn't mean we are not allowed to.
Which planet your from?
Go and annoy people online, ...Stay of the road!!!!!!!:Oi:

I know i said I would not reply but this is just too good,

"Get of the site"
"stay of the road"

time for you to go back out to sea I think.

And it would seem by what you just said that your another one that think its fine to endanger others by speeding on your bike ?

[awayatc]

I
And it would seem by what you just said that your another one that think its fine to endanger others by speeding on your bike ?

You don't appear to need any help endangering your life....
10 years on a learners licence?.....on a hyosung.....?
rest my case...

[MSTRS]

and if the "attitude" for a biker is to endanger others, break laws that stuff up the "fun" of the ride, only care about how fast i can go to enjoy the ride then I will be very happy to NOT be called a biker/rider

Further proof that you have no idea....away and join Snapd, they will want you I'm sure.

[Her_C4]

Easy guys, :Playnice:

This thread is going off topic very quickly and turning into another slanging match...:jerry:

There are some quite thought provoking posts in here with differing points of view on those 'right lane hoggers' and I for one would like to continue to read about those instead of this shite. :rolleyes:

[MSTRS]

And that is why there is the 2 second rule.

Regardless of which lane you are in seldom do people observe the 2 sec rule on the motorway...but regardless, gratuitous braking like you are proud of doing has an accumulative downstream effect. I suggest you do some research on the "rubberband effect"

[Clockwork]

And that is why there is the 2 second rule.


.... and for the person who was rear-ended by the guy behind who has just changed lanes (try finding a four second gap to move into on these congested roads)... how are you going to make it up to him?

[sprag]

Regardless of which lane you are in seldom do people observe the 2 sec rule on the motorway...but regardless, gratuitous braking like you are proud of doing has an accumulative downstream effect. I suggest you do some research on the "rubberband effect"

Ok i think we are getting different times of the day mixed up, anyone that is doing 100k's on the motorway and does not leave the 2 sec rule or enuff room to stop is just dumb, sure you are not going to have the 2 sec rule if you are in grid lock.

Remember its the fault of the person behind if they smack into a car/bike/bus/train.

[sprag]

The over all point I am trying to make is...

That I travel in the right hand of the motorway when its busy, I travel at between 100-110k's to keep the flow going however I do pass people in the middle and far left lane in doing this, I also travel in this lane so I don't have to "lane jump" at every off ramp that comes up.

If I have someone come up behind me and I am still in the right hand lane and they tail gate me then i will hit the breaks for less than a sec to tell them to back off.

If I was going to only travel at a top speed of 90k's on the motorway I would not be in the right hand lane as I know that others would want to pass due to the limit being 100k's

Its fine if some of you think its wrong, I think speeding is wrong.

[MSTRS]

Ok i think we are getting different times of the day mixed up, anyone that is doing 100k's on the motorway and does not leave the 2 sec rule or enuff room to stop is just dumb, sure you are not going to have the 2 sec rule if you are in grid lock.

Remember its the fault of the person behind if they smack into a car/bike/bus/train.

Was there an answer in there?
At busy times when the traffic is slower, the gaps will be less in physical distance than when the traffic is faster, but those gaps are still likely to be less than 2 seconds.
Ever travelled the motorway where its slow and bumper to bumper, but at some indeterminate point suddenly the traffic starts to move faster? There was nothing remarkable about the point where the traffic sped up. Chances are some pillock braked for no good reason at or near that point, perhaps even ten to fifteen minutes previously. The rubberband effect in action.

[sprag]

Chances are some pillock braked for no good reason at or near that point, perhaps even ten to fifteen minutes previously. The rubberband effect in action.

There is a good reason because some twat is sitting right up your butt, i would rather have them back off with nothing in front of me than having them slam up my butt when i have to break hard.

[Pixie]

Did you read my last line of my post, I do it to cars i tend to let bikes go past, infact i also make room for them during peek hour traffic as well, its people in cars that i do it too.
I also drive a rag top...

And it's spelled "brakes" ignoramus

[Pixie]

Yeah yeah, I'm not looking to argue, I merely want to look at this from many angles.

So how about if I in my cage 'o joy am in lane 3 of the motorway AT 100km/h - now, as I am travelling AT the speed limit, am I obliged to move over to accomodate a bike/cage that wishes to EXCEED the speed limit?

I should state now (better late than never) that I firmly believe those who insist on parking their arses in the fast lane at 90ish should be given to Ixion for testin the latest batch of gene-o-kleen!

...or burned, damn them!
Yes, you are not a cop

[paturoa]

Easy guys, :Playnice:

This thread is going off topic very quickly and turning into another slanging match...:jerry:


Tis OK, I think some of the frustration caused by inconsiderate people is spilling over to the keyboard.

It is always frustrating when individuals (in the minority, it would appear) attempt to enforce their beliefs / values on others.

Perhaps some listening and consideration of other peoples feelings is more appropriate than attempting to use logic?

I have some opinions on stuff, but I learnt (many) years ago not to try to enforce them on others (when I got a smack in the kisser for my efforts).

Methinks that the righteous, would never behave that way if they weren't in their little cages and were subject to a smack in the kisser too.

[Patar]

As long as you are overtaking people in the lane to your left at a significantrate, i.e not 2-3kph but more like 10kph it is perfectly fine to stay in the right lane.
Unless there is no traffic infront of you in the right lane, then damned if it's too hard to quickly pop into the left lane to let the other people pass before you jump back out to continue on your merry way.

It's not hard people, try not being self centered and ignorant on the road!

[paturoa]

Stupidity & inconsiderate behaviour occurs everywhere.

http://www.komonews.com/news/20656789.html

gggrrrr - one of my pet peeves. I went to Hamihole on Friday while the trucks were doing their thing and had lots of this.

[Swoop]

...it is perfectly fine to stay in the right lane.

It's not hard people, try not being self centered and ignorant on the road!
Huh?:scratch:
I smell a troll here.


Are you a Righteous Right Laner?

[BevanPT]

I commute along the North Western every morning and evening and constantly get stuck behind traffic travelling between 80-100. I keep my speedo between 100 and 110 whether I am in the cage or on the bike (sometimes I like to go faster and that is my risk). If the middle lane is clear I will always travel in this lane until such time that I need to change lanes for the purpose of overtaking. It's called common sense, etiquette and courtesy.

Given recent media reports that it's cheaper to drive the cage at 90km than 100km the whole flow of motorway traffic seems to have slowed down.

My simple rule here is:

If you can't afford to drive at 100km, you refuse to drive at 100km, or your vehicle won't travel at 100km - either buy a more economical, reliant vehicle or stay the fuck off the motorway!!

[boomer]

Bingo. Therein lies the problem.

Self-appointed road sheriffs - the country is full of them.

bwahahahha.. ironic? Pot, kettle..??!!!

bwahahahha i weeeed

[MisterD]

If you can't afford to drive at 100km, you refuse to drive at 100km, or your vehicle won't travel at 100km - either buy a more economical, reliant vehicle or stay the fuck off the motorway!!

Actually the optimum speed to get the maximum traffic down a stretch of road safely is about 80kph / 50mph. That's the point at which increasing speed starts to be offset by the need to have bigger spaces between vehicles (for those saying "Eh?" to themselves).

[Marmoot]

1) Was there any courtesy sections in the training or tests?
2) What is the law for this?

Yup to both. Same as speeding.

[Mikkel]

Actually the optimum speed to get the maximum traffic down a stretch of road safely is about 80kph / 50mph. That's the point at which increasing speed starts to be offset by the need to have bigger spaces between vehicles (for those saying "Eh?" to themselves).

Interesting - it does make sense though :)

[eliot-ness]

If you can't afford to drive at 100km, you refuse to drive at 100km, or your vehicle won't travel at 100km - either buy a more economical, Reliant vehicle or stay the fuck off the motorway!!

Aghhhh, please, not a Reliant.:no:

[pete376403]

[
Originally Posted by Pixie
Did you call her a FAAHN CAAAHN

QUOTE=Mrs Kendog;1399821]No, but I might next time.... if I knew what it was... plz enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

I guess you've never read Fred Gassitt. But try saying it out loud, with an Aussie accent.

[cs363]

[
Originally Posted by Pixie
Did you call her a FAAHN CAAAHN

QUOTE=Mrs Kendog;1399821]No, but I might next time.... if I knew what it was... plz enlighten me.

I guess you've never read Fred Gassitt. But try saying it out loud, with an Aussie accent.[/QUOTE]


Ah! Fred Gassit.....them were the days! :)

To be further enlightened take a look here: http://dem0n.qgl.org/fred.htm

Anyway, back to the thread - regardless of the rights & wrongs of speeding, the golden rule of driving is KEEP LEFT.
Self appointed traffic Nazis are helping no one including themselves with their self righteous attitudes - this is the kind of driving attitude that causes road rage incidents.
What is needed is a dose of common courtesy on our roads (and elsewhere for that matter) allied with some common sense (something else that seems to be rapidly dissapearing in this nanny state).
So what if the guy roaring up the outside lane is speeding? You aren't and you are keeping left and being a goody two shoes, hopefully people will learn from your example. If you give him more space to speed the chances are he will reach terminal velocity that much faster and further away from everyone else and nature will determine his course.
The police are employed to catch speeders and is something that they do really well, unlike many other roles they are paid to fulfill. Let them do their job and be thankful they aren't out there ticketing people that fail to keep left (as they should IMHO).
And don't start me on those plonkers that pull out just in front of you and then take forever to get up to open road speed, instead of pulling out into the HUGE open space behind you...
Causing undue wear on your suspension, brakes and tyres and the uttering of a torrent of expletives. (They also don't seem to have working mirrors either...but that's yet another story...like the one where the driver that insists on travelling at 70-80km/h on the open road without letting faster traffic pass, but then hits town and the 50 km/h speed zone and sails merrily on at 80...)
Rant over...for now :)

[cs363]

Didn't know wankers like that proudly owned up to it....thought it was complete lack of driving skills and road awareness.....:2guns:
Karma takes care of the likes of him, just in case he is wondering why some many " bad things" are happening to his poor old soul....:bash:
Just hope that when he gets taken care off, he doesn't take people with him that WILL be missed....

Beware of pimpelfaced geek on 250 hyosung..... sometimes he drives his mummies car, thank god I don't live in Auckland....:scooter:

He obviously didn't read the tag line at the bottom of your posts before he owned up..... what a Blackpool Rock, to quote our cockney mates

[Mikkel]

Aghhhh, please, not a Reliant.:no:

Reliant made a space shuttle... or someone made a space shuttle out of a Reliant Robin.

Do a search on youtube, it's brilliant :yes:

[cs363]

Reliant made a space shuttle... or someone made a space shuttle out of a Reliant Robin.

Do a search on youtube, it's brilliant :yes:

Yeah that was the Top Gear boys, bloody funny.

[Mort]

I get these bastards every single day on the way in to and back from AKL


Drivers who "reserve" their space in the outside lane because they expect to pass a vehicle they can see on the horizon .
Drivers who do it quite willfully. You pull up behind - they move over - and they pull out again after you pass - WHY ???
Drivers who absolutely refuse to move over - no matter how patient or insistant you are to get by. W A N K E R S


NZ drivers are the worst motorway drivers in the world. The Motorway is used as a place to relax, read a book, make a call, look around... ANYTHING but concentrate on the job of driving and being aware of other road users.... BASTARDS.:2guns:

[Brett]

I don't care whether someone is doing 140kph, if the road ahead is clear and it is just them with someone faster behind them, then they need to keep left.

The amount of people who will fricken sit in the fast lane at 80,90,95kpoh for FRICKEN MILES is astounding. I have taken to hooting and flashing my brights at them. Pass, then get the hell into the left hand lane. Many other drivers in many many other countries can get it right. How come drivers here cant?

[Max Headroom]

I find this a fascinating topic.

I worked as a sales rep around Auckland for over 20 years, travelling the motorway at all times of the day, every day of the week. I have spent a huge amount of time on the open roads of the Nth Island, and even now I still clock up 50-70,000kms annually in a variety of vehicles and bikes.

The motorway/open road speed limit is a blunt instrument. The limit of 100kph is applied universally to young and old regardless of skill level or experience (and this diatribe isn't a criticism of the speed limit as such!). It is also applied across the board to 1956 Morris Oxfords and 2008 Porsche GT3's. Now, I spent a lot of time in old Morris Oxfords in my distant youth, and I'm here to tell you that they don't have brakes. They have a centrally mounted floor pedal that when jumped on with both feet in anger will cause the car to gently slow down, but stopping quickly is an unknown concept to an Oxford driver. Emergency stops are executed exclusively by hitting an unmoveable object. Combined with glow-worms at the front thoughtfully provided by Joe Lucas, a set of crossply tyres, and a top speed (on a good day!) of 115kph, one can only marvel in amazement that these vehicles are legally allowed to proceed on our open roads at the same 100kph as everyone else. Yet our yuppie 2008 Porsche GT3 driver can be pinged for 111kph by an impartial hidden camera van in the name of road safety, and nobody has too much sympathy because he clearly has too much money anyway!!! This in a vehicle capable of almost three times our speed limit.

I realise that there are some places where higher speeds aren't desirable, but my point is that the capabilities and safety margins of the different vehicles on our roads vary widely, as do the drivers.

The pet frustrations I experience are:
* the slow drivers in the fast lane on motorways
* folk who don't appreciate how dangerous it is to fake-brake the cars behind to get them to slow down. Last time I checked, the cops don't like that practice either since it has resulted in several nasty accidents
* the drivers on the open road that travel at 80-90kph until they hit overtaking lanes and then inexplicably speed up to 115 so that nobody else can overtake
* vehicles that are clearly travelling together in convoy, sitting below the speed limit yet travelling so close together that nobody can jump one car at a time, yet it's too dangerous to overtake two or three cars in one go
* cars or trucks that are travelling below the speed limit and are aware of it, and pull over to the far left of the road into the gravel even though it's not remotely possible to overtake safely, so you get sprayed with stones and debris

If I have someone wanting to overtake me, I let them go. I figure that they can keep the cops occupied, not me. Staying in the left lane also draws less attention from police.

Of course, choosing a lane in peak-hour traffic on a multilane motorway where the vehicles are moving at 5kph is a completely different situation, and becomes a game of strategy and forward planning!

My $0.02

[Badjelly]

If I have someone wanting to overtake me, I let them go. I figure that they can keep the cops occupied, not me. Staying in the left lane also draws less attention from police.

Of course, choosing a lane in peak-hour traffic on a multilane motorway where the vehicles are moving at 5kph is a completely different situation, and becomes a game of strategy and forward planning!

I agree entirely about letting people overtake.

I think a lot of the right-lane hogging arises because people have learned that when the motorway is nearing capacity, i.e. still moving at 80-100ish but getting crowded, then you will get where you want to go faster by staying in the right lane. A solid queue forms in that lane and if you move to the left you lose your place in the queue.

On the other hand some people just drive in the right hand lane all the time. What on earth are they thinking?

[Swoop]

Once I get the forward firing machineguns fitted, these cocksuckers are TOAST!
Sit in MY right hand lane will they???:bash:

[Horse]

* the drivers on the open road that travel at 80-90kph until they hit overtaking lanes and then inexplicably speed up to 115 so that nobody else can overtake


Yep, those idiots are commonplace in this part of the country. No motorways here, our passing lanes are a precious resource that are uniformly squandered by these farkwits.



* cars or trucks that are travelling below the speed limit and are aware of it, and pull over to the far left of the road into the gravel even though it's not remotely possible to overtake safely, so you get sprayed with stones and debris

Another pet peeve of mine. On the Palmy-Wanganui drive (which I do frequently) they love to pull over just enough to suggest a possible overtaking opportunity, but invariably without leaving enough actual room to do it, and smart inspection of the road in front of them reveals that the space they're currently pulled over into is about to expire and cause them to frantically pull back into the lane, which is why I don't attempt to get around them.

[Fatjim]

I asked the local paddy wagon driver if it was policy for them to sit in the right hand lane from Upper Hutt to Wellington at 85kph.

Got a totally expected sub 100 IQ response from the uniformed cunstable.

He did get the message when I pulled in front of him on another occasion, slowed down and gave him the "wanker" sign although I was generous, and didn't use the tweezer version.

[Ixion]

I am throughly in favour of slow drivers sticking to the right hand lane.

The result is that the left lane is nice and clear for me to tootle past . The pinnacle is the special lanes marked for "Slow traffic" on the Auckland motorwyas. Since no driver will EVER be so humble as to admit that he is a slow driver, noone uses them. Even when the other lanes are totally congested. Whilst I, being the slowest of slow riders, tootle merrily on my way and leave them behind.

[Badjelly]

I am throughly in favour of slow drivers sticking to the right hand lane. The result is that the left lane is nice and clear for me to tootle past.

You do realise that passing on the left is considered by Poms, Europeans and other immigrants unwilling to adapt to our culture(*) as a crime against decency and public order.

(*) You know who you are!

[Ixion]

Yes. I do realise. Sucks to be them. 'lesser breeds, without the Law' and all that. This is Godzone, we rewrite the Rules.

[Mikkel]

Drivers who absolutely refuse to move over - no matter how patient or insistant you are to get by. W A N K E R S


Honestly I haven't encountered any other kind than that one...


Many other drivers in many many other countries can get it right. How come drivers here cant?

No Formal Driver Training.


You do realise that passing on the left is considered by Poms, Europeans and other immigrants unwilling to adapt to our culture(*) as a crime against decency and public order.

(*) You know who you are!

Well, in the holy name of integration one has to learn how to adapt. If there are two lanes and the left lane is free I'll pass anything in the right lane that I can get away with :yes: And I couldn't care less if the right-hand lane is a passing lane, if you don't accelerate fast enough to keep in front when you enter the passing lane, too bad.

Desperate circumstances requires desperate measures. As such one has to compromise with ones traffickal manners.

[cs363]

I find this a fascinating topic.

I worked as a sales rep around Auckland for over 20 years, travelling the motorway at all times of the day, every day of the week. I have spent a huge amount of time on the open roads of the Nth Island, and even now I still clock up 50-70,000kms annually in a variety of vehicles and bikes.

The motorway/open road speed limit is a blunt instrument. The limit of 100kph is applied universally to young and old regardless of skill level or experience (and this diatribe isn't a criticism of the speed limit as such!). It is also applied across the board to 1956 Morris Oxfords and 2008 Porsche GT3's. Now, I spent a lot of time in old Morris Oxfords in my distant youth, and I'm here to tell you that they don't have brakes. They have a centrally mounted floor pedal that when jumped on with both feet in anger will cause the car to gently slow down, but stopping quickly is an unknown concept to an Oxford driver. Emergency stops are executed exclusively by hitting an unmoveable object. Combined with glow-worms at the front thoughtfully provided by Joe Lucas, a set of crossply tyres, and a top speed (on a good day!) of 115kph, one can only marvel in amazement that these vehicles are legally allowed to proceed on our open roads at the same 100kph as everyone else. Yet our yuppie 2008 Porsche GT3 driver can be pinged for 111kph by an impartial hidden camera van in the name of road safety, and nobody has too much sympathy because he clearly has too much money anyway!!! This in a vehicle capable of almost three times our speed limit.

I realise that there are some places where higher speeds aren't desirable, but my point is that the capabilities and safety margins of the different vehicles on our roads vary widely, as do the drivers.

The pet frustrations I experience are:
* the slow drivers in the fast lane on motorways
* folk who don't appreciate how dangerous it is to fake-brake the cars behind to get them to slow down. Last time I checked, the cops don't like that practice either since it has resulted in several nasty accidents
* the drivers on the open road that travel at 80-90kph until they hit overtaking lanes and then inexplicably speed up to 115 so that nobody else can overtake
* vehicles that are clearly travelling together in convoy, sitting below the speed limit yet travelling so close together that nobody can jump one car at a time, yet it's too dangerous to overtake two or three cars in one go
* cars or trucks that are travelling below the speed limit and are aware of it, and pull over to the far left of the road into the gravel even though it's not remotely possible to overtake safely, so you get sprayed with stones and debris

If I have someone wanting to overtake me, I let them go. I figure that they can keep the cops occupied, not me. Staying in the left lane also draws less attention from police.

Of course, choosing a lane in peak-hour traffic on a multilane motorway where the vehicles are moving at 5kph is a completely different situation, and becomes a game of strategy and forward planning!

My $0.02

I gave you bling for that - brilliant, reasoned post! (What the hell are you doing on KB? lol)

[Biggles2000]

I try very hard not to be bothered by other road users. Its not worth the effort all you end up with is an ulser. I used to get wild when I was held up, passed, hell anything and did some pretty stupid out of control things, but I try not let other drivers drag me down to that level anymore, I can't improve others driving but I can control how I react to it.
I was in Ak recently and I didnt think the traffic was too bad, sure it was very heavy and slow but on the whole the standard of driving was OK, more considerate and better than down here.

[ElCoyote]

Its fine if some of you think its wrong, I think speeding is wrong.

It's your attitude and thinking that's wrong. Exceeding an arbitary limit that's designed to cater to the lowest common denominator which is YOU is harmless if you exceed that criteria, which you obviously don't. Sell your 50cc Zundaap moped and catch a Cullen train................oh and by the way it's brakes not breaks.............but then again them's the breaks.

[Maffoo]

wow what a thread .... im gonna add my opinion

i ride a bike, drive a car, & also drive a great big fuckin truck

& no matter what im in, or on... ill move over for anyone who obviously is faster than me, & only sit in the right hand lane if im going past someone (i get overtaken on my bike ALL THE TIME)

its a damn shame common courtesy isnt taught at driving schools
actually its a damn shame driving schools are compulsory to getting a license....

[Swoop]

its a damn shame common courtesy isnt taught at driving schools
actually its a damn shame driving schools are compulsory to getting a license....
You are quite right there. Courtesy is forced onto us in the guise of "cultural sensitivity" but totally useless.
I get concerned with a lot of the driving schools as well. You see them teaching the student to drive in the middle f*cking lane on the motorway ffs!:angry2:

[Maffoo]

holy crap what a typo

i ,eamt its a shame driving schools arent compulsary

[DEATH_INC.]

Interesting thread.....dunno if it's been said yet (don't wanna read through 10 pages) but some of the worst culprits are on here....I've lost count of the amount of times I've ridden down the motorway on a group ride with 20 kB'ers all pootling down the right lane with some poor bugger in a cage trying to get past........bikes are supposed to keep left too....

[twinkle]

And how can i be holding anyone up when i am going between 100 and 110 when the posted limited is 100k's an hour.


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Breaking the law, and driving dangerously, to try to enforce the speed limit law on other road users... :brick: wtf?

[trumpy]

sprag you're an idiot. It's your job to obey the law, not be the law.:angry:(try reading it and you'll see...failing that, go and find a good lawyer to explain it to you....very slowly...)

[PrincessBandit]

OMG, I haven't bothered reading the whole 9 yards (or 10 pages) either. Don't know if my brain would cope. But at the risk of just saying what others have said, adding my support to them, if i'm travelling in the right lane and there's no one else in the immediate vicinity I'll sit there at whatever speed I'm doing until i feel like moving over. If I'm doing 115/120 and someone is tailgating me and there's nowhere for me to move left then that's tough noogies for them; if I can move I will but I won't be hassled by some impatient git who wants to give me vehicular herpes. I have also been know to slow down to 45 to piss off people who tail gate from speeding in 50 kph zones. Petty I know, and plenty of you out there who'd give me the "all you'll do is make them more angry and you could contribute to them causing an accident further down the line". But my reply to that is - they'll probably cause one whether or not I piss them off further. It is annoying when you are normally a considerate driver/rider to have wankwits hassling you to break the law just because you're holding them up from breaking it.
So glad I got that off my chest.

[Moki]

It's not about courtesy. The right hand lanes are for overtaking. Drivers shouldn't be in them unless they are actually in the act of overtaking.

Correct! But how can this message get across to those pillocks who camp in the right lane!!!? Maybe they don't see you on their tail because they're too busy texting? What the feck goes through their melon when they get behind the wheel?:thud:

[Moki]

Interesting thread.....dunno if it's been said yet (don't wanna read through 10 pages) but some of the worst culprits are on here....I've lost count of the amount of times I've ridden down the motorway on a group ride with 20 kB'ers all pootling down the right lane with some poor bugger in a cage trying to get past........bikes are supposed to keep left too....


Your obviously speeding...

[Moki]

I try very hard not to be bothered by other road users. Its not worth the effort all you end up with is an ulser. I used to get wild when I was held up, passed, hell anything and did some pretty stupid out of control things, but I try not let other drivers drag me down to that level anymore, I can't improve others driving but I can control how I react to it.
I was in Ak recently and I didnt think the traffic was too bad, sure it was very heavy and slow but on the whole the standard of driving was OK, more considerate and better than down here.

Great advice, but really hard to do. Probably harder than fathoming what the feck the pillocks who camp in the right lane are thinking.

[Bonez]

Take a deep breath, build a bridge then pass on the left. Simple.

As Death Inc mentioned there are m/cists who do exactly the same thing.