Here is the first shot in the war on democracy

[Mully]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10489149

Don't understand why he couldn't rent a PO Box though. Does it have to be a residential address?

[Indiana_Jones]

I believe it has to be.

This bill is a crock of shit.

What a fuck load of donkey shit

-Indy

[onearmedbandit]

Am I seeing things or is there a number of KB'ers on his forum?

[Big Dave]

http://www.banksy.co.uk/manifesto/index.html

I'm growing Ivy on my front fence.

[Hitcher]

One could be churlish and say "I told you so," but one should attempt to be mature about this.

If our friend is smart, he will repost his "web site" as a "blog". And tell the Electoral Commission to enjoy the combined delights of sex and travel.

[Mully]

If our friend is smart, he will repost his "web site" as a "blog". And tell the Electoral Commission to enjoy the combined delights of sex and travel.

With his "laser beam"

[oldrider]

At the end of this election year, the media and the dubious socialist Labour juggernaut will have Helen Clark back in power for a 4th term.

That's my prediction, seen it all before, just watch the polling and reporting patterns as they approach the big day!

It's both bad news and history for New Zealand, nothing sensible can compete with that! :Pokey:

It will be nice to be proved wrong :spanking: but I doubt that will be the case. John.

[Maffoo]

all he had to do was give his name & he would have been legal

HE is the chickenshit for putting up a site liek that & wanting to remain anonymous

democracy is about being open & honest

i have no sympathy for halfwits who demand the right to do things like this & then run & hide behind anonymity

all the bill demands is that all donations & contributions are made publicly

how can that be bad for democracy?

[ManDownUnder]

So...

Would someone be breaking the law if the website was hosted in the UK, by a UK citizen?

What if a UK citizen contributed to it... passed comment?
What if an NZ citizen living in the UK did?
What if a Kiwi living in NZ did?

Where does the law start/stop?

[Coyote]

The law has some credibility. Before it was the more money you had the more say you had, and generally the more money you have the more you're inclined to support the right wing.

As much as I'd like to see labour gone, I don't want any of the others in. Not even the greens which used to be a safe lefty bet.

Hopefully everyone votes the legalise cannabis party and let the hilarity ensue.
"Dudes, we've legalised cannabis, what now?"
"......"

[ManDownUnder]

"Dudes, we've legalised cannabis, what now?"
"......"

MUNCHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0800 83 83 83...

[Coyote]

MUNCHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0800 83 83 83...
Images of smoke billowing out of the beehive spread over the world...

[Maffoo]

The law has some credibility. Before it was the more money you had the more say you had, and generally the more money you have the more you're inclined to support the right wing.

As much as I'd like to see labour gone, I don't want any of the others in. Not even the greens which used to be a safe lefty bet.

Hopefully everyone votes the legalise cannabis party and let the hilarity ensue.
"Dudes, we've legalised cannabis, what now?"
"......"

i worked for them as the north shore rep in the 1995 election :clap:
it was so much fun.... & no it wasnt just a dakfest, it was hard work !
but i got to meet Nandor, who is an absolute top bloke

[oldrider]

The law has some credibility. Before it was the more money you had the more say you had, and generally the more money you have the more you're inclined to support the right wing.

As much as I'd like to see labour gone, I don't want any of the others in. Not even the greens which used to be a safe lefty bet.

Hopefully everyone votes the legalise cannabis party and let the hilarity ensue.
"Dudes, we've legalised cannabis, what now?"
"......"

If that ever became a threat, they just legalise cannabis and......null and void! Wasted vote! :nono: John.

[Mully]

all he had to do was give his name & he would have been legal

HE is the chickenshit for putting up a site liek that & wanting to remain anonymous


Wrong. He did put his name up (Matt Something or Other), he refused (for good reason, in my opinion) to put his residential address up. Given the lunatics running around this country at the moment, I'd do the same thing.

Of course, I would have hosted the website offshore in the first place, and when the Electoral Commission came calling, give them a giant "Fuck You"

[Coyote]

If that ever became a threat, they just legalise cannabis and......null and void! Wasted vote! :nono: John.
Maybe null and void will be better than poorly managed?

[Maffoo]

Wrong. He did put his name up (Matt Something or Other), he refused (for good reason, in my opinion) to put his residential address up. Given the lunatics running around this country at the moment, I'd do the same thing.

Of course, I would have hosted the website offshore in the first place, and when the Electoral Commission came calling, give them a giant "Fuck You"

do you seriously think someone is going to come knocking on his door because he puts up an anti-labour website? my god
the law was enacted to stop groups slandering and/or promoting political parties as they wish under the cloak of anonymity ... which is NOT what democracy is about

[Usarka]

if voters are too stupid to question what is behind a website then maybe we shouldn't trust them with a vote in the first place.


do you seriously think someone is going to come knocking on his door because he puts up an anti-labour website? my god
the law was enacted to stop groups slandering and/or promoting political parties as they wish under the cloak of anonymity ... which is NOT what democracy is about

put your money where your mouth is - post your address here now.

[Mully]

do you seriously think someone is going to come knocking on his door because he puts up an anti-labour website?


No, I think some left-wing lunatic is going to come and tag or throw things at his house.

Did you read any of the "Pro-Labour" ranting from people on his site? If you did, you would understand why he would be reluctant to put his address on public display.

[Maffoo]

if voters are too stupid to question what is behind a website then maybe we shouldn't trust them with a vote in the first place.



put your money where your mouth is - post your address here now.


**address removed under advice**

not that im under any obligation to do so ... seeing as im not the one putting up anti-party websites

& anyone thinking of using that for nefarious purposes, i have a kill first, ask questions later policy .... just so you know


EDIT - i took my address down under advice
& thats the thing,.. im allowed to.... i am exercising my rights to discuss politics on a free forums without disclosing myself, which the guy who ran that other site is allowed to do, & you all are allowed to do....
& on voting day, i will exercise my right to vote for my list candidate & my party candidate

this, my friends, is democracy...


No, I think some left-wing lunatic is going to come and tag or throw things at his house.

Did you read any of the "Pro-Labour" ranting from people on his site? If you did, you would understand why he would be reluctant to put his address on public display.

if he is reluctant to put his address on public display, then maybe he shouldnt be getting so involved in politics? maybe he should just do what the rest of us do, & vote on polling day, for the party or parties he wants in power ....

[Mully]

if he is reluctant to put his address on public display, then maybe he shouldnt be getting so involved in politics? maybe he should just do what the rest of us do, & vote on polling day, for the party or parties he wants in power ....

To be honest, that is a good point, and I presume he will be doing just that.

I still don't see why he can't have his site up (with his name, sure) to say his piece. Someone else could register www.dontvoteforanyofthebastards.org.nz if they wanted. Isn't that what democracy is about? The cost is a moot point, as you can register and host a website for a pittance (I think our ISP offers free hosting). As previously mentioned, anyone silly enough to read "Don't Vote Labour/National/Greens/NZ First/Whatever" and decides not to vote for that party for that reason, maybe shouldn't get a vote.

[sAsLEX]

One could be churlish and say "I told you so," but one should attempt to be mature about this.

If our friend is smart, he will repost his "web site" as a "blog". And tell the Electoral Commission to enjoy the combined delights of sex and travel.

I would just host it in some obscure nation where our laws do not apply.

[Hitcher]

I would just host it in some obscure nation where our laws do not apply.

It's not that simple. Unfortunately.

[sAsLEX]

It's not that simple. Unfortunately.

So how would the NZ govt. shut down said website if the owner has well hidden themselves? Since they cant exactly waltz in and demand information from our said host nation......

[Hitcher]

So how would the NZ govt. shut down said website if the owner has well hidden themselves? Since they cant exactly waltz in and demand information from our said host nation......

New Zealanders normally resident in New Zealand are subject to the laws of New Zealand, irrespective of where a web site may be hosted. And, if a crime has been committed or believed to have been committed, yes "they" can "waltz in and demand information". The same applies to other countries. Try posting some pro-terrorist shit (but not on this site, OK) on a New Zealand-hosted site and start your stopwatch to see how long it is before you get a knock on your door.

[sAsLEX]

New Zealanders normally resident in New Zealand are subject to the laws of New Zealand, irrespective of where a web site may be hosted. And, if a crime has been committed or believed to have been committed, yes "they" can "waltz in and demand information". The same applies to other countries. Try posting some pro-terrorist shit (but not on this site, OK) on a New Zealand-hosted site and start your stopwatch to see how long it is before you get a knock on your door.

Soooo if I did all this whilst overseas? Not NZ based? Say we got Finn to do it on his travels, putting the site up whilst not within these shores?

Law circumvented.


Oh I know get a little boat and go off 12 miles and do it via Inmarsat....... Radio used to be out of reach of the public?

[jrandom]

Try posting some pro-terrorist shit...

You reckon amateur terrorist shit wouldn't get much of a reaction, then?

[Hitcher]

Soooo if I did all this whilst overseas? Not NZ based? Say we got Finn to do it on his travels, putting the site up whilst not within these shores?

Law circumvented.


Oh I know get a little boat and go off 12 miles and do it via Inmarsat....... Radio used to be out of reach of the public?

You are a New Zealand citizen normally resident in New Zealand. If you're going to imagine a counter-factual, make it a good one. Please.


You reckon amateur terrorist shit wouldn't get much of a reaction, then?

The spooks wouldn't cross the road to piss on amateur terrorists.

[The Pastor]

The spooks wouldn't cross the road to piss on amateur terrorists.


In the states some dick head posted "im going to kill george bush" on a body building fourm. He was 13 years old. The FBI arrested him.

[Maffoo]

You are a New Zealand citizen normally resident in New Zealand. If you're going to imagine a counter-factual, make it a good one. Please.



The spooks wouldn't cross the road to piss on amateur terrorists.

they climbed the ureweras for some :Police:

[Jantar]

New Zealanders normally resident in New Zealand are subject to the laws of New Zealand, irrespective of where a web site may be hosted. And, if a crime has been committed or believed to have been committed, yes "they" can "waltz in and demand information". The same applies to other countries. Try posting some pro-terrorist shit (but not on this site, OK) on a New Zealand-hosted site and start your stopwatch to see how long it is before you get a knock on your door.

So this site http://dontvotelabourcartoons.com/ Is hosted by an Australian Citizen on a USA website. Lets see how the elecoral commission handle this.

[Hitcher]

Lets see how the elecoral commission handle this.
Brilliant! Let the games commence...

[Mr Merde]

The major fault with this whole thread is very basic.

You are all accepting the myth that we live in a democracy.

Sorry but we live in an oligrahy where the ruling class doesnt care what we think or do as long as we do not upset their gravey train.

There has never been in known history, a true democracy.

[Hitcher]

Sorry but we live in an oligrahy where the ruling class doesnt care what we think or do as long as we do not upset their gravey train.

Oligarchy, perhaps?

1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2. a state or organisation so ruled.
3. the persons or class so ruling.

Gravy?

1. the fat and juices that drip from cooking meat, often thickened, seasoned, flavored, etc., and used as a sauce for meat, potatoes, rice, etc.
2. Slang.
a. profit or money easily obtained or received unexpectedly.
b. money illegally or dishonestly acquired, esp. through graft.
3. something advantageous or valuable that is received or obtained as a benefit beyond what is due or expected.

[Mr Merde]

Oligarchy, perhaps?

1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2. a state or organisation so ruled.
3. the persons or class so ruling.

Gravy?

1. the fat and juices that drip from cooking meat, often thickened, seasoned, flavored, etc., and used as a sauce for meat, potatoes, rice, etc.
2. Slang.
a. profit or money easily obtained or received unexpectedly.
b. money illegally or dishonestly acquired, esp. through graft.
3. something advantageous or valuable that is received or obtained as a benefit beyond what is due or expected.

I thank you for the corrections and definitions. Its late, I'm tired and as such am taking less care over what I write.

Your definitions give clarity to my post. I hope it explains it to the other readers of this thread.

[Ixion]

Oligarchy, perhaps?

1. a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
2. a state or organisation so ruled.
3. the persons or class so ruling.

...

A tetrach will know such things.Though now we are down to a diarchy it appears. But , NZ is a timocracy I think .

[Jantar]

... But , NZ is a timocracy I think .
No, we were, but the property requirement was removed over 100 years ago. Many of our present MPs do not own property (well not when first elected), and the list system moves us even further away from Timocracy.

[Ixion]

You are talking of the qualification for voting in the trienniel charade. I am talking of the people who actually rule the country. Quite different matters.

[RON SOAK]

ummmmmmmm......................rrrrright!



Think ill just go back to my (well...someone elses actually, but im paid well to be there) hole in the ground - much less posturing, preening & ego stroking .........