Stay awake - No-doz, V, Redbull, Coke etc [Archive]

noddy

31st January 2008, 08:05

Was researching No-doz and came accross some entries here. I was concerned enough about some of the advice given on how to stay awake to prompt me to join the site to offer the following warning.

Be carefull how much V, Redbull, Cola etc you consume at one time. These are all very acidic and too much can burn your stomach lining off. I had a friend caught out with combining too much V and Cola, he suffered incredable stomach pain for more that 3 days and trouble keeping food down.

jrandom

31st January 2008, 08:10

Well, that was random.

:confused:

Er, welcome to KB...

Usarka

31st January 2008, 08:13

That stuff is for pussy's, i pop amphetamines when riding. If it's good enough for the USAF, its good enough for the USARKA.

(edit: of course i dont really, drugs are bad mmkay)

Nasty

31st January 2008, 08:13

Welcome to KB noddy .... glad to see you participating so quickly!!

marioc

31st January 2008, 08:15

err hahahhaha ok thanks man

jrandom

31st January 2008, 08:18

That stuff is for pussy's, i pop amphetamines when riding.

:rockon:

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noddy

31st January 2008, 08:21

Hmm, amazing what you come up with when you Google something....
Never used "message boards" before, know now I should really have replied on the thread, but that was an old posting....

ManDownUnder

31st January 2008, 08:27

I found simply getting off the bike and walking around for 5 mins does the trick - kept me up and at 'em for about an hour - stopped did the same thing again...

007XX

31st January 2008, 08:46

I prefer to make sure I have a route that won't put me to sleep (ie: SH1 :yawn:), and make sure that I have a few twisties to keep me interested...And I probably wouldn't go as fast as when I'm doing a short trip.

I also have some lively music playing in my helmet (ACDC and the likes...) but not loud enough taht I can't hear anything else of course...

And like MDU said, stop on a regular basis to stretch. Keeping hydrated by drinking lots of water is definitely a must.

When I travelled from Wellington to Auckland a couple of months back, I was carrying my 1 litre camel back with me, making regular sipping a possibility :2thumbsup...It really made a world of difference.

Oh and welcome Noddy!!! :sunny: :D

jrandom

31st January 2008, 08:54

I prefer to make sure I have a root that won't put me to sleep...

Yes, we know.

Str8 Jacket

31st January 2008, 08:56

And like MDU said, stop on a regular basis to stretch. Keeping hydrated by drinking lots of water is definitely a must.

Yep. I find that I drink so much water that I have to keep stopping to pee. Ideal time for a ciggie and a stretch. Also, always carry methamphetamine with you. Just in case......

bungbung

31st January 2008, 09:05

Str8 is right, nodoz etc is old school. All the kids use P now.

007XX

31st January 2008, 09:06

Yes, we know.

No you don't...cos I always fal asleep after those :first: (generally even faster than 007XY) te he...

Yep. I find that I drink so much water that I have to keep stopping to pee. Ideal time for a ciggie and a stretch. Also, always carry methamphetamine with you. Just in case......

:nono: :spanking: Don't you try yanking that chain young lady! :p

Str8 Jacket

31st January 2008, 09:09

:nono: :spanking: Don't you try yanking that chain young lady! :p

I thought that you liked it when I did?.... :devil2:

Colapop

31st January 2008, 09:11

...I had a friend caught out with combining too much V and Cola, he suffered....
Yep not a good idea to give Cola too much V... I'm a natural high without needing further stimulants!! And together me and V are trouble...

Str8 Jacket

31st January 2008, 09:13

Yep not a good idea to give Cola too much V or Red Bull... I'm a natural high without needing further stimulants!!

Yep, it can also cause dioherrea, which is a bummer if your feeling all bouncy and stuff!

007XX

31st January 2008, 09:15

I thought that you liked it when I did?.... :devil2:

:laugh: Cheeky Bitch! :love: :hug:

I'm afraid I do have a big chip on my shoulder about drugs, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Never will I ever think they are good, unless of course you are talking about Herceptin or penicillin.

I do believe that products such as Red Bull or Lift Plus and the likes are dangerous and I personally will only consume one about every 6 months if that...

"my body is my temple, yadya yadyada..."

jrandom

31st January 2008, 09:28

I'm afraid I do have a big chip on my shoulder about drugs. Never will I ever think they are good...

Er, yes. Quite. Drugs are bad, mm kay.

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I do believe that products such as Red Bull or Lift Plus and the likes are dangerous and I personally will only consume one about every 6 months if that...

Do you not drink coffee either, then?

I readily admit that caffeine is a potent and addictive psychoactive chemical, and that I've been physiologically dependent on it for over a decade.

I make the informed choice to stay on it, because withdrawal is violent and makes me very ill for a week or more, and life is often such that I find myself unable to function well without stimulants.

Sad, isn't it?

007XX

31st January 2008, 09:39

Do you not drink coffee either, then?

I readily admit that caffeine is a potent and addictive psychoactive chemical, and that I've been physiologically dependent on it for over a decade.

I make the informed choice to stay on it, because withdrawal is violent and makes me very ill for a week or more, and life is often such that I find myself unable to function well without stimulants.

Sad, isn't it?

Not anymore...I used to have to have a cup of coffee every morning upon waking up, along with a ciggie in the car. 10 year old habits started in New Caledonia where we grow one of the most beautiful and flavoursome coffee around :drool:

But since I stopped smoking, I haven't had a craving at all for coffee, so that's about 3 months now. And I got to admit it feels amazingly good.

And I don't think being addicted to caffeine is sad...just maybe a symptom of a reasonably stressful lifestyle, which would lead you to needing "coping solutions". I'd be more concerned about the very strong reaction you get with withdrawal.

jrandom

31st January 2008, 09:45

I'd be more concerned about the very strong reaction you get with withdrawal.

My adrenal receptors have downregulated to the extent that you'd expect from years of heavy, regular caffeine consumption.

A month of clean living and they'd be back in fine fettle, of course, but full-on caffeine withdrawal is actually quite similar to what methamphetamine users experience.

:(

F5 Dave

31st January 2008, 09:49

I had a Pepsi cola this morning. I know its not big or clever, but sometimes one does slide onto the slippery path. I hope its not a gateway drug:bye:

jrandom

31st January 2008, 09:55

This morning, I had an instant coffee upon arising (Nescafe, the gateway drug of choice) followed by a triple-shot latte from the cafe next to the office.

That'll do me until mid-afternoon, when I'll have a 600ml Diet Coke or something similar.

Not really huge caffeine consumption, but I can't do without it...

Str8 Jacket

31st January 2008, 10:21

I had a Pepsi cola this morning. I know its not big or clever, but sometimes one does slide onto the slippery path. I hope its not a gateway drug:bye:

You'r f*cked! I have 2 cans of diet coke every morning and all up probably drink around 1.5 litres of the shite a day cause I dont drink coffee. Im crazy, reckon it might be beacuse of the coke.

Stirts

31st January 2008, 10:21

Be carefull how much V, Redbull, Cola etc you consume at one time.

Is six V's a day too much?

Used to have six a day when worked in retail, no such thing as morning tea, lunch, or afternoon tea breaks half the time, so would grab a V or six!

Now that I work in office, I have about six or seven cups of coffee per day. I wouldn't consider myself stressed, or an addict. I can also go without.

Guess it depends on your genetic make-up.....blah blah. Coffee, V, Red Bull and other substances have different effects on different people, some more extreme than others. Addictive compulsive personalities are more susceptible to becoming addicted.

Nagash

31st January 2008, 10:26

Is six V's a day too much?

Used to have six a day when worked in retail, no such thing as morning tea, lunch, or afternoon tea breaks half the time, so would grab a V or six!

Not sure about V cause I think it tastes foul but Lift+ specifically says on the packaging not to consume more than 4 *cans* in one day. One assumes V's the same..

I used to take No Doz when I had an early shift at work and didn't have time to make a coffee but I usually have a few No Doz lying around in my wallet, they're pretty handy me thinks.

onearmedbandit

31st January 2008, 10:29

Hi, my name is oab and I'm a coke addict. Morning, lunch, afternoon and evening, I need the quenching of an ice cold coke. Sometimes I even drink V, chilled to the point that when you open the bottle the liquid in the neck freezes up. I have in my freezer a constant supply of ice, and two chilled glasses, ready if necessary. I also smoke a packet of cigarettes a day, and smoke da gunja.

My complexion is clear, my health is fine, I'm not overweight or even fat, and I'm reasonably fit for a guy who does fuck all other than consume. My body has been conditioned over the years to this treatment. Any deviation would have drastic effects.

jrandom

31st January 2008, 10:30

I have about six or seven cups of coffee per day. I wouldn't consider myself stressed, or an addict... Addictive compulsive personalities are more susceptible to becoming addicted.

Caffeine dependence has nothing to do with personality and everything to do with endocrinology.

Go strictly off all caffeine for a whole week. You might be surprised at the way your body responds.

Stirts

31st January 2008, 10:36

Not sure about V cause I think it tastes foul but Lift+ specifically says on the packaging not to consume more than 4 *cans* in one day. One assumes V's the same.

HOW MANY A DAY CAN PEOPLE DRINK?
A good benchmark is a cup of coffee. V contains a similar level of caffeine to coffee so you can drink as many cans of V as you are comfortable drinking cups of coffee. However, you will notice a recommended daily maximum stated on V packaging.

I took their recommendation into consideration ;)

Stirts

31st January 2008, 10:40

Caffeine dependence has nothing to do with personality and everything to do with endocrinology.

you and your secretions!!!! could it not possibly be a comination of both?

Go strictly off all caffeine for a whole week. You might be surprised at the way your body responds.

Have done that many a time and for more than a week....and have had no symptoms...honestly!

Nagash

31st January 2008, 10:43

Okay, turns out I have a can of V, a can of Lift+ and a box of No Doz all around me so a quick comparison aye?

Caffeine content:
V - 78mg
Lift+ - 36mg
No Doz - 100mg

Daily amount (exact quotes):
V - Usage: 2 cans Max. Daily.
Lift+ - Consume no more than 5 cans per day
No Doz - No more than 6 tablets should be taken within 24 hours.

That's kinda funny, No Doz has the most caffeine and the highest acceptable intake amount.

007XX

31st January 2008, 10:47

Caffeine dependence has nothing to do with personality and everything to do with endocrinology.

Go strictly off all caffeine for a whole week. You might be surprised at the way your body responds.

She has me 6 times a week? :shit: :blip:

I agree with Jr...the response of going without is very surprising. I think that most people who do away with stuff like that for a couple of days (after going hard for a few years) underestimate the fact that levels remain high or just sufficient in your body to not trigger the withdrawal symptoms immediately...Give it time, and lookout!!!

jrandom

31st January 2008, 10:48

The LD50 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50) for caffeine is about 160mg/kg.

In other words, one would expect 128 No Doz pills to be a fatal dose for an 80kg individual in 50% of cases.

So, um, don't take 128 No Doz pills or drink a crate of V, I guess.

BarBender

31st January 2008, 10:54

Red Bull, V etc... = Lollie-water.

Stack the caffeine with Ephedra and Asprin.
Stay awake and burn fat at the same time. :whistle:

jrandom

31st January 2008, 10:57

Stack the caffeine with Ephedra and Asprin.
Stay awake and burn fat at the same time. :whistle:

Oh, for the good old pre-'P epidemic' days when I could hit a website with my credit card and get ephedrine hydrochloride delivered by the pound via mail-order from the States!

:crybaby:

Not to mention trenbolone acetate arriving via UPS in lovely big styrofoam temperature-stable containers. No, really, I'm a vet, see?

BarBender

31st January 2008, 11:01

Oh, for the good old pre-'P epidemic' days when I could hit a website with my credit card and get ephedrine hydrochloride delivered by the pound via mail-order from the States!

:crybaby:

:crybaby::yes::crybaby::yes::crybaby:

Mikkel

31st January 2008, 11:33

Do re-read the OP. The warning is not about the amount of caffeine but rather the impact of acids upon your stomach.

Trust me, messing that bit up is very uncomfortable!

Personally I have to take opium every day to sit still behind my computer and at least 3 bottles of wine just to fall asleep...

;)

marioc

31st January 2008, 11:36

A fry a day keeps the doctor away

marty

31st January 2008, 12:06

Would someone please think of the stomach linings?

Personally, I would have though a few V's tempting the stomach lining with some heartburn wasn't really a problem considering the dry retching after a hard night on the Double Browns......:drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup: :drinkup:

noddy

31st January 2008, 12:12

Do re-read the OP. The warning is not about the amount of caffeine but rather the impact of acids upon your stomach.

Yeh, everyone got off the track a bit, but it has certianally been entertaining....
For those that regularly drink this sort of stuff, their stomachs are probably use to it and it is of no concequence.
I am amazed at the amount of research some have done on the facts about caffine:gob:Personally I'm not a big drinker of coffee let alone the other stuff available. Have not found it to keep me allert/awake. I am going to try No doz tonight, so it will be interesting to see if i feel any affects. Have 100K return trip after work, with 2 hrs of dancing inbetween. The drive back is a bitch.
Yep, drive.... dont have a bike, but have ridden off road marking competition tracks for the 500Kg, 4 legged horse power that I use. Lots a fun, both horse and bike.:Offtopic:

Mikkel

31st January 2008, 12:21

Having been diagnosed with a hiatal hernia a couple of years back I can attest to the discomfort caused by stomach acid in your asaphagous!!! When swallowing a small mouthful of water hurts like you're going to pass out it's not fun anymore...

Fortunately my hernia now seems to have disappeared... good riddance!!!

As for drinking caffeine - I had a V Black the other week... holy shit that stuff kicks ass. Brought me from rather sluggish around to full pep like *PING*!

Tank

31st January 2008, 15:45

Donut

31st January 2008, 22:15

if your worried about stomach lining then crush the no doz and snort it or have the drinks intravienisly... :S XD ... or you could just try sleeping in

breakaway

1st February 2008, 01:59

I have a lot of coke / pepsi / coffee, I can honestly say that this shit makes no difference to my day.

I can bet no-doz won't either. Maybe if I powder it up and sort it.

skidMark

1st February 2008, 02:31

fireball

1st February 2008, 02:33

I have a lot of coke / pepsi / coffee, I can honestly say that this shit makes no difference to my day.

I can bet no-doz won't either. Maybe if I powder it up and sort it.

share the love....! over this way!

i'll do the lines up whos in?
:woohoo:

skidMark

1st February 2008, 02:35

I have a lot of coke / pepsi / coffee, I can honestly say that this shit makes no difference to my day.

I can bet no-doz won't either. Maybe if I powder it up and sort it.

after ur done sorting it are u considering snorting it

"i tried snorting coke once, but the ice cubes got stuck in my nose":whistle:

skidMark

1st February 2008, 02:39

Oh and i put down at least 1 litre usually 1.5 litres of coke etc a day....

usually a 400ml demon energy and 1.5 litres of coke and i'm sorted....

can't live without it i'm addicteddddddddd save meee lol

at one point i was drinking too much though and had heart pelvetations (sp?)

ahh well still kicking....

:banana:

mmmm energy drinks.... happy place....

ive run out too...will have to goto the dairy up the street in the morning to get more.

i'm his favourite customer.:buggerd:

Usarka

1st February 2008, 07:05

Caffeine has a long half life - up to six hours. Having a coffee or energy drink at 3pm is the same as having 1/2 the same drink at 9pm!

It also accumulates, so if u drink a couple of strong coffees in the morning, then have your last one around 2 or 3pm then it's the equivalent of taking a no-doze tablet at bed time.

Lots of people can sleep on caffeine (i fricken cant) but even if you do it can affect the quality of sleep.

Can't get to sleep?
Wake up tired after a non-resfreshing sleep?
Find yourself awake at all hours of the night, leading to poor concentration and motivation the next day?
Drink coke, energy drinks or coffee all day?